Were you guys aware of this? It was a bolt out of the blue for me...
http://cinematictitanic.com/
For those who don't want to click:
Greetings friends,
It's been just amazing the last few years: what with MST3K being honored as a top 25 science fiction show and top 25 "cult" show by TV Guide, and, most notably, in September being listed as one of the "Top One Hundred TV Shows Ever" by TIME – whew! Never saw it coming. Even mo-better are the really nice people that I've met who've had, and still have, great experiences watching horrendously great movies along with me and my funny friends. Thanks for mentioning it, thanks for keeping the dream alive, and thanks for buying the DVDs. It's all been strange and mysterious and lovely, and it makes me want to do it all over again. And now, almost 20 years later, I am. I've decided, in collaboration with the other bold souls who "started it all," to do a new project that is strong enough for our diehard audience, and also gentle and easy to swallow for those that are new to movie riffing. Wait for it....wait for it.... meet Cinematic Titanic!
It's going to be powered by the original cast of MST3K! Trace Beaulieu, J. Elvis Weinstein and yours truly, along with some friends who came along later to make the show great: the beloved Frank Conniff and the scathingly brilliant Mary Jo Pehl.
We're very busy writing and doing preproduction right now – so the website is tiny, but the big thing right now is to sign up for the newsletter so we can keep you informed about the fine movie riffing we've got planned for you. We've licensed our first title and are working at a brisk pace to get it delivered in time for Christmas! So you can give it as a gift to one of your sly friends or a loved one. Or you yourself can watch over the holidays to fight off that strange malaise that always seems to happen. Our first release is at this time a total secret, however – I'm willing to say it makes "Manos the Hands of Fate" look like "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" in a car wreck with "Eegah!" with notes of peach.
Also, in the news: I've just been interviewed by Lucasfilm online, in anticipation of Cinematic Titanic's first live show and world premiere in San Francisco in December. We will link to that story as soon as it is released. Sorry, but this special live show is a closed event for I.L.M/Lucasfilm employees and guests only. As of this writing we are still negotiating some of the fine points, however I am pleased to mention that they've granted us the rights to offer this event to you, the friends of Cinematic Titanic, remotely and slightly after the fact - stay tuned.
Check in often as we intend to get the entire cast giving you their distinct takes on constructing this "lean, mean, movie-riffing machine" we call Cinematic Titanic in words, pictures and of course the moving image. For now, you can check out some of my design passes for the logo and such.
Happy Halloween,
Joel Hodgson
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I posted this in the announcements forum, then saw your post. I deleted mine out of deference (and not being sure how the Rifftrax crew will respond to this news)
Ironically, Cinematic Titanic is not riffing Titanic....ok well, I found it ironic.
I'm very, very glad to hear Joel and Trace are working together again.
It is exciting, but I'm very curious how they'll be doing this - downloadable commentaries, or dvd's a-la-film-crew? Joel's comments about licensing a movie make me think DVD, but you never know.
Hopefully this won't decrease the chances of having Mary Jo and other mst3k cast and crew join Mike for a riff once in a while. Glad to see Joel, and Frank has always been one of my favorites. I'm sure I'll be picking this up when it comes out. On a sad note, now the where is Joel questions probably have to stop.
Let's not forget Josh... I always enjoyed his work on the KTMAs and Season One.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Josh as well, but he was there for such a short time that I hadn't seen any of his episodes until I bought copies online in the last 2 years. On a side note do we need to start up the whole Joel vs. Mike thing again?
Okay, this has got to be Trace and Josh's "other project." Joel and Frank and Mary Jo too... I'm overwhelmed!
And curious about what Mike/Kevin/Bill think.
Let me be the first to say CinematicTitanic is NOT Rifftrax 2.0! ;D
Wow! When it rains it pours! First a great new guest riffer this week on Rifftrax, then the announcement of the new Bots toon from Best Brains, and now a new riffing project from Joel, Trace, Josh and friends! It's a good time to be a fan.
This Riff War has begun!!!!!
(or maybe not.)
...
I see this conversation in my future:
"Hello? Friends who work for Lucasfilm? Yeah, this is your old buddy Rude. Think you can do me a huge favor?..."
-Rude
I'm intrigued by the tagline... "CinemaTitanic: The 500 film movie riff project"
Five hundred?!?
Quote from: Bairman on October 30, 2007, 10:10:01 AM
I'm intrigued by the tagline... "CinemaTitanic: The 500 film movie riff project"
Five hundred?!?
Mike's about a tenth of the way there. And MST3K got up to what, 200?
I'm gonna need some bigger shelves.
Tagline? What are you referring to?
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on October 30, 2007, 10:11:56 AM
Tagline? What are you referring to?
Subscribe to the newsletter. You'll see it.
That graphic looks like a representation of some kind of Deep 13-ish place and Gizmonics Institute-ish place...
This looks pretty darn exciting, particularly for getting Joel back into the movie-riffing business. Rifftrax will likely remain first in my heart, but there's plenty of room for this project as well. But I was always one of those who loved Joel and Mike equally.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 10:13:19 AM
That graphic looks like a representation of some kind of Deep 13-ish place and Gizmonics Institute-ish place...
It looks like a 7 1/2 foot boat... the CinemaTitanic, I'm guessing. ;-)
Yup, I really don't see any downside to this... unlike that other recently announced project that underwhelmed me.
Quote from: Bairman on October 30, 2007, 10:12:41 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on October 30, 2007, 10:11:56 AM
Tagline? What are you referring to?
Subscribe to the newsletter. You'll see it.
I did - still didn't see what you were talking about.
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That looks like a boat to you?
I assume that they will release DVD's like the Film Crew did.
Good Stuff.
Not that... look here:
http://cinematictitanic.com/infoclub/subscribe.html
Let me get this straight:
Paul Chaplin and Jim Mallon are resurrecting MST3K with "The Bots are Back" animated adventures...
Joel Hodgson, Trace Beaulieu, J. Elvis Weinstein, Frank Conniff, and Mary Jo Pehl are doing Cinematic Titanic....
And of course Mike, Kevin, and Bill are doing RiffTrax.
What I want to know is how many MSTies were doing sacrificial satanic rituals to have all this come to friution.
Oh so that was the graphic you were referring to... it does say "Payload 500 DVDs", sounds promising!
Maybe we shouldn't assume that this rules out any of those 5 for guest roles on Rifftrax. Or, they could even do a mega-crossover riff. Who knows?
They could be on a collision course for wackiness! :D
If LucasFilms is involved does that mean that they might be willing to release the the star wars holiday special?
If only so it can be rightfully riffed?
I don't know if even the most diehard fans are willing to sit through the Holiday Special, it just hurts too bad.
Quote from: ig400 on October 30, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
If LucasFilms is involved does that mean that they might be willing to release the the star wars holiday special?
If only so it can be rightfully riffed?
Lucas has chillaxed a bit with the Star Wars parodies, what with Robot Chicken and Family Guy... and for what possible reason would there be a private Lucasfilm party for them... if the movie riffed was not a Lucas film? And with Joel saying how terrible it is... please let it be...
It's all so overwhelming. It's like for Halloween, MST3K was hacked into zombie chunks, but now those chunks are all individually rising from the dead to form things that aren't quite MST3K, and my inner fan doesn't know whether to break out the shotgun and start mowing them down, or try my best to make do with the resurrected chunks of my beloved entertainment.
Ah well. No matter how good or bad these other offshoots are, I think I can speak for us all when I say:
Rifftrax Forever!!!
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on October 30, 2007, 10:26:13 AM
I don't know if even the most diehard fans are willing to sit through the Holiday Special, it just hurts too bad.
true, but I think George needs to let go of this one in order to start his healing not to mention the healing of others who had to watch it and the prequels
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: ig400 on October 30, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
If LucasFilms is involved does that mean that they might be willing to release the the star wars holiday special?
If only so it can be rightfully riffed?
Lucas has chillaxed a bit with the Star Wars parodies, what with Robot Chicken and Family Guy... and for what possible reason would there be a private Lucasfilm party for them... if the movie riffed was not a Lucas film? And with Joel saying how terrible it is... please let it be...
While I won't rule out Life Day being riffed, it might also be a certain film about a humanoid duck from an another dimension...
Quote from: Compound on October 30, 2007, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: ig400 on October 30, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
If LucasFilms is involved does that mean that they might be willing to release the the star wars holiday special?
If only so it can be rightfully riffed?
Lucas has chillaxed a bit with the Star Wars parodies, what with Robot Chicken and Family Guy... and for what possible reason would there be a private Lucasfilm party for them... if the movie riffed was not a Lucas film? And with Joel saying how terrible it is... please let it be...
While I won't rule out Life Day being riffed, it might also be a certain film about a humanoid duck from an another dimension...
Good point. He let some stinkers fly even before his brain broke and he made the prequels, huh?
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Compound on October 30, 2007, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: ig400 on October 30, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
If LucasFilms is involved does that mean that they might be willing to release the the star wars holiday special?
If only so it can be rightfully riffed?
Lucas has chillaxed a bit with the Star Wars parodies, what with Robot Chicken and Family Guy... and for what possible reason would there be a private Lucasfilm party for them... if the movie riffed was not a Lucas film? And with Joel saying how terrible it is... please let it be...
I theorize that the SWHS is what started his self destructive film making
While I won't rule out Life Day being riffed, it might also be a certain film about a humanoid duck from an another dimension...
Good point. He let some stinkers fly even before his brain broke and he made the prequels, huh?
I theorize that it was the SWHS that triggered his selfdestructive film making
He DOES say they're trying to get it out by Christmas...
...
I've sent out my first round of emails to my Lucasfilm friends. Hopefully somebody will let me know what's going on. I mean, assuming that it's not all top secret and they even know what's going~
-Rude
Wow. This is a lot more exciting than Jim Mallon's MST3K 2.0.
Looks like Mike proved there's still good money to be had from the MST3K fan base, and now the rest of the former cast is jumping on the bandwagon. And since these are highly talented people capable of generating genuinely funny material, I'm very glad they decided to jump.
Quote from: Raven on October 30, 2007, 10:03:02 AM
Do we need to start up the whole Joel vs. Mike thing again?
I hope not, but it seems inevitable. Personally, I like both.
Quote from: skenderberg on October 30, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Jim Mallon's MST3K 2.0
Mallon's project sounds more like a pre-MST3K 1.0 Beta
Seriously, with Rifftrax we have a solid base with solid performers, and now with this Joel project it sounds like we'll have an equally solid base and alternative riff source. Let's face it, the community has an huge appetite for riffs and now there will be another valid source. How can it be a bad thing? We don't want Mike getting burned out from working too hard now do we?
Joel or Mike, I always loved em both... same with Josh and Kevin, Trace and Bill...
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: skenderberg on October 30, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Jim Mallon's MST3K 2.0
Mallon's project sounds more like a pre-MST3K 1.0 Beta
He has the shiny keys to that shiny BBI vault, tho... we don't want to anger him.
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: skenderberg on October 30, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Jim Mallon's MST3K 2.0
Mallon's project sounds more like a pre-MST3K 1.0 Beta
He has the shiny keys to that shiny BBI vault, tho... we don't want to anger him.
Don't make him angry... you wouldn't like him when he's angry!
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Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: skenderberg on October 30, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Jim Mallon's MST3K 2.0
Mallon's project sounds more like a pre-MST3K 1.0 Beta
He has the shiny keys to that shiny BBI vault, tho... we don't want to anger him.
Don't make him angry... you wouldn't like him when he's angry!
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Like I posted over at the MST board...
I keep getting this image of Paul Chaplin over at MST3k.com HQ reading about Cinematic Titanic and heading towards the door to join Joel & friends -- only to find the all doors impenetrably locked. Then Jim Mallon steps out like Saruman and chains Paul to a computer desk and says "You cannot leave. Write. WRIIITE!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
Of course, that's a semi-quasi-pseudo-joke.
More Pictures:
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It's nice to see that everyone is getting back into the game. It would be nice to see a joint feature between Rifftrax and CinematicTitanic but if not then I at least hope they won't try to screw with each other. Mike's been doing well with modern, popular movies, I think there's room for Joel to riff on bad, obsurce films. Plus they probably aren't going to have the same services anyway. Since Joel had to get the rights to the movie and is trying to get a film deal it will probably be like the Film Crew dvds. Plus we know how gadgety Joel is and he probably wants to show off some new creations. I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of CinematicTitanic and, as long as there isn't any fighting between groups, I'll support them both. Heck, I'm even looking forward to The 'Bots series. Hopefully that will be an amusing little diversion.
What is up with all of the CT images being so phallic? Is there a message there? ;)
Joel has a big penis?
Well, see, that's my point... people who feel the need to shove it in your face are usually covering up, so all the phallic symbolism usually means the exact opposite. I would have thought that Joel would be smart enough to realize that and try to avoid it, rather than dump it in every single image. :P
Quote from: Chaos on October 30, 2007, 11:51:39 AM
Well, see, that's my point... people who feel the need to shove it in your face are usually covering up, so all the phallic symbolism usually means the exact opposite. I would have thought that Joel would be smart enough to realize that and try to avoid it, rather than dump it in every single image. :P
It could just be phallic for the sake of being phallic
Which I guess is kind of funny........Checking........... Yes it is funny.
Riffageddon has begun leaving a trail of riffed & slaughtered bad movies in it's wake. All bad movies repent because the hour is at hand. That's right, I'm looking at you, House of the Dead.
I hope they are releasing DVDs themselves. That way they can crank them out.
Well they said they've licensed their first title. They wouldn't need to license it unless they were going to release it...
Bingo :D
I'm so excited, I just can't hide it... I'm about to lose control and I think I like it!
Quote from: Chaos on October 30, 2007, 11:43:02 AM
What is up with all of the CT images being so phallic? Is there a message there? ;)
Finally! The riffs of
Debbie Does Dallas and
Deepthroat that we've all been pulling for... as it were :D
So I've been punched in the gut twice in the last 12 hours - once with the MST3K lite, and again with Cinematic Titanic.
As one of the older MSTies here, I feel like I'm being subjected to a practical joke. A delicious, tantalizing, practical joke.
Hey, if the new projects work out will we see a new project headed by Beez, Patrick Brantseg, and Julie Walker?
This is exciting news i must say! I like a lot of you like Mike and Joel both, they each have different styles of riffing and they both make me laugh a bundle. It'll be nice if both projects remain successful and keep cranking out the new riffs. Even better if they starting working with each other! HUZZAH!
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Looks like Mike proved there's still good money to be had from the MST3K fan base, and now the rest of the former cast is jumping on the bandwagon. And since these are highly talented people capable of generating genuinely funny material, I'm very glad they decided to jump.
I agree but I think more that Mike had the balls to do it and now they're all jumping on board. I do hope they intertwine somehow down the road. The cartoon thing looks like it only had a decent online store to look forward to.
I signed up for Joels thing.
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 12:55:38 PM
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Looks like Mike proved there's still good money to be had from the MST3K fan base, and now the rest of the former cast is jumping on the bandwagon. And since these are highly talented people capable of generating genuinely funny material, I'm very glad they decided to jump.
I agree but I think more that Mike had the balls to do it and now they're all jumping on board. I do hope they intertwine somehow down the road. The cartoon thing looks like it only had a decent online store to look forward to.
I signed up for Joels thing.
I love Rifftrax, but I also have room for both. I also remember that if it wasn't for Joel, no one would be riffing movies to begin with. At least not in the sense we're used to.
I agree, I think Mike took a HUGE leap of faith when he started the whole Rifftrax thing... and hopefully it's paid off for him. I know there are a lot of us who owe him a huge thank you for getting the riff ball rolling again.
Thanks Mike ! You've changed the world (again)!
There is definitely room for both in my book. Both. As in two. Sorry, I just don't have much interest in the Mallon thing unless he starts selling rarities...
Glad to see that what we've been say all along was right... MST deserves to live (in it's various forms)
It only took Mr. Nelson to go out on a limb and prove our point.
Best of luck to all the projects...
I must confess I have mixed emotions about this as well. I hope this isn't what it is, but it seems like Joel sees what success Mike has had based on the success of MST3K and is trying to ride on the coattails of it without actually being a part of what Mike does. I mean, I always thought one of the reasons Joel left MST was because he felt he'd accomplished everything he set out to accomplish with that sort of thing, and he knew it could have a life beyond him and without him. I guess I'm hoping it's more like Sean Connery coming back to play James Bond in the video game of From Russia With Love than Sean Connery coming back to play James Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. With the former, you could tell from the interviews and also from his performance that he was doing this purely out of love and respect for the character and genuine enthusiasm for the project. With the latter, you could tell from his performance that this was just a way that he knew he could make money.
Quote from: Pak-Man on October 30, 2007, 10:29:41 AM
It's all so overwhelming. It's like for Halloween, MST3K was hacked into zombie chunks, but now those chunks are all individually rising from the dead to form things that aren't quite MST3K, and my inner fan doesn't know whether to break out the shotgun and start mowing them down, or try my best to make do with the resurrected chunks of my beloved entertainment.
I know the feeling. It's like you had a friend who died almost a decade ago, but now you've been hanging out with one guy who got his heart implanted, another with his lung and another buddy who received his liver.
And now to top it all off, the remains of your dead friend has risen from the graveyard and has been hanging around your apartment like that guy from
American Werewolf In London. He looks and sounds the same, so you don't really mind - so long as he makes you laugh.
Or, you know, something.
QuoteI love Rifftrax, but I also have room for both. I also remember that if it wasn't for Joel, no one would be riffing movies to begin with. At least not in the sense we're used to.
Don't get me wrong, I think Joel's gig should be good and I hope that they and Rifftrax do intermingle down the road. As stated by others as well, I was just pointing out that it was Mike who went out and revived all this goodness.
I have a feeling the cartoon will be utter crap though.
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
I have a feeling the cartoon will be utter crap though.
lmao...
I know I shouldn't pre-judge... but really... Jim got his "big news revelation" kind of stomped on... :D
Quote from: Chaos on October 30, 2007, 11:51:39 AM
Well, see, that's my point... people who feel the need to shove it in your face are usually covering up, so all the phallic symbolism usually means the exact opposite. I would have thought that Joel would be smart enough to realize that and try to avoid it, rather than dump it in every single image. :P
I've found that it's often the people who point such things out who are covering up. Why else would you look at a long object and automatically think of a penis?
It's weird seeing a picture of middle-aged Joel. Last time I saw him he was still a fresh-faced 30 something. But anyway, I have high hopes for this project as I've always had a soft spot for the Joel-era shows.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
I have a feeling the cartoon will be utter crap though.
lmao...
I know I shouldn't pre-judge... but really... Jim got his "big news revelation" kind of stomped on... :D
Yeah, and in less than 24 hours, too... hilarious. :)
The names of images are "timecapsule.jpg". Perhaps the premise will involve Joel and the others finding a time capsule of bad movies.
[speculating wildly] Or maybe they go back in time! We haven't seen the pilot thru K03, so we don't know how he got there... maybe these are PRE-QUELS!
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 01:36:07 PM
[speculating wildly] Or maybe they go back in time!
The not-too-distant past? ;D
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
QuoteI love Rifftrax, but I also have room for both. I also remember that if it wasn't for Joel, no one would be riffing movies to begin with. At least not in the sense we're used to.
Don't get me wrong, I think Joel's gig should be good and I hope that they and Rifftrax do intermingle down the road. As stated by others as well, I was just pointing out that it was Mike who went out and revived all this goodness.
Absolutely. Up to last year, all we really had to look forward to for hopes that any of the Brains would work together again in any substatial manner was
Darkstar.
What a difference a year makes. I didn't even discover Rifftrax until December last year....
Quote from: Ingrown Asshair on October 30, 2007, 01:29:47 PM
Why else would you look at a long object and automatically think of a penis?
Becuase you think about sex a lot (in itself a habit I find irritating)?
Wait wait, brain too full of potential goodness. :gouge: Damn it, not again.
Wow, no movie is safe it seems. This should be interesting down the road, that's to be sure. I know several friends who are going to lose their minds at the thought of Joel returning to riffing, and I can't wait to see what the came up with. One thing for sure though, I'm sticking with Rifftrax to the end...that I hope doesn't come until Mike is old and grey and too senile to operate his microphone! In the meantime there's always room for more in the pool. What, you think we're going to run out of bad movies? They make like 50 more a day!
Quote from: Cambot on October 30, 2007, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
QuoteI love Rifftrax, but I also have room for both. I also remember that if it wasn't for Joel, no one would be riffing movies to begin with. At least not in the sense we're used to.
Don't get me wrong, I think Joel's gig should be good and I hope that they and Rifftrax do intermingle down the road. As stated by others as well, I was just pointing out that it was Mike who went out and revived all this goodness.
Absolutely. Up to last year, all we really had to look forward to for hopes that any of the Brains would work together again in any substatial manner was Darkstar.
Did they ever finish Dark Star?
QuoteWhat a difference a year makes. I didn't even discover Rifftrax until December last year....
Same here, found out about the live show and naturally discovered all of...this. It's been a good year.
8)
Hope they autograph the DVDs like Mike did with his autograph series Legend DVDs.
Also, I'm gonna speculate that the movie will be Howard the Duck
Quote from: Minnesota on October 30, 2007, 02:30:10 PM
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Also, I'm gonna speculate that the movie will be Howard the Duck
Yes, good call.
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on October 30, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
The names of images are "timecapsule.jpg". Perhaps the premise will involve Joel and the others finding a time capsule of bad movies.
Part of the fledgling website talks about "our legacy of movies with commentary" I think the concept is that they are filling a time capsule of bad movies for future generations.
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CINEMATIC TITANIC
After we posted that the 'bots are back, you may have asked yourself, "I know what Mike, Kevin, Bill, Jim and Paul are doing, but what about Joel, Trace, Frank, Mary Jo and Josh?" Well, here's your answer...
Cinematic Titanic
So what is Cinematic Titanic? In a nutshell, Joel and the gang have secured the rights to 12 bad, MST-quality films. They will all be writing and performing new riffs, with silhouettes. The plan is to offer downloadable and burnable DVDs through the site -- sort of one-stop shopping.
We're told that while there will be an overall premise to the show, there won't be many "host segments" or the like. And the silhouette won't be of people in theater seats. Instead, it will consist of people up on scaffolding on the side of the screen...as seen in the Cinematic Titanic logo.
The date and title of the first release have yet to be announced, but you can be the first to receive the news by signing up for the Cinematic Titanic newsletter. Just visit http://www.cinematictitanic.com for more information.
www.mst3kinfo.com
Quote from: Brak on October 30, 2007, 02:47:36 PM
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CINEMATIC TITANIC
After we posted that the 'bots are back, you may have asked yourself, "I know what Mike, Kevin, Bill, Jim and Paul are doing, but what about Joel, Trace, Frank, Mary Jo and Josh?" Well, here's your answer...
Cinematic Titanic
So what is Cinematic Titanic? In a nutshell, Joel and the gang have secured the rights to 12 bad, MST-quality films. They will all be writing and performing new riffs, with silhouettes. The plan is to offer downloadable and burnable DVDs through the site -- sort of one-stop shopping.
We're told that while there will be an overall premise to the show, there won't be many "host segments" or the like. And the silhouette won't be of people in theater seats. Instead, it will consist of people up on scaffolding on the side of the screen...as seen in the Cinematic Titanic logo.
The date and title of the first release have yet to be announced, but you can be the first to receive the news by signing up for the Cinematic Titanic newsletter. Just visit http://www.cinematictitanic.com for more information.
www.mst3kinfo.com
Good time to be alive!
Quote from: Brak on October 30, 2007, 02:47:36 PM
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CINEMATIC TITANIC
After we posted that the 'bots are back, you may have asked yourself, "I know what Mike, Kevin, Bill, Jim and Paul are doing, but what about Joel, Trace, Frank, Mary Jo and Josh?" Well, here's your answer...
Cinematic Titanic
So what is Cinematic Titanic? In a nutshell, Joel and the gang have secured the rights to 12 bad, MST-quality films. They will all be writing and performing new riffs, with silhouettes. The plan is to offer downloadable and burnable DVDs through the site -- sort of one-stop shopping.
We're told that while there will be an overall premise to the show, there won't be many "host segments" or the like. And the silhouette won't be of people in theater seats. Instead, it will consist of people up on scaffolding on the side of the screen...as seen in the Cinematic Titanic logo.
The date and title of the first release have yet to be announced, but you can be the first to receive the news by signing up for the Cinematic Titanic newsletter. Just visit http://www.cinematictitanic.com for more information.
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That's an interesting wrinkle or two. The downloadable/burnable dvd angle fascinates me, it'll certainly be better than back when I had to hunt for a new MST3K box set that'd always be sold out (before I just preordered them all) and it's still a different enough concept from how Rifftrax works. The scaffolding silhouette seems a little weird, but interesting. I think the only thing keeping me from jumping up and down for joy now is wondering what a full-length dvd download is going to cost.
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The only news that i could get out of Skywalker Ranch, is that they might be screening the new Star Wars cartoon there sometime soon. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the Cinematic Titanic event. But who knows...
I'll keep digging.
-Rude
trolls, trolls, trolls, trolls, trolls.
;)
Quote from: BEERxTaco on October 30, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Jonny Jit on October 30, 2007, 01:25:30 PM
I have a feeling the cartoon will be utter crap though.
lmao...
I know I shouldn't pre-judge... but really... Jim got his "big news revelation" kind of stomped on... :D
Couldn't be any worse than "Max the Hero", though.
Quote from: Rude on October 30, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
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The only news that i could get out of Skywalker Ranch, is that they might be screening the new Star Wars cartoon there sometime soon. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the Cinematic Titanic event. But who knows...
I'll keep digging.
-Rude
Thanks for trying to look rude :) its nice to know people with connections!
Quote from: RoninFox on October 30, 2007, 02:54:50 PM
That's an interesting wrinkle or two. The downloadable/burnable dvd angle fascinates me, it'll certainly be better than back when I had to hunt for a new MST3K box set that'd always be sold out (before I just preordered them all) and it's still a different enough concept from how Rifftrax works. The scaffolding silhouette seems a little weird, but interesting. I think the only thing keeping me from jumping up and down for joy now is wondering what a full-length dvd download is going to cost.
Yeah i know what you mean, its tough to wonder the cost of all of this, but i am excited to see that they are trying to make some similarity to the classic silhouette which i always just loved. I am excited to say the lease! woo!!
QuoteI think the only thing keeping me from jumping up and down for joy now is wondering what a full-length dvd download is going to cost.
I'm wondering what a bunch of DVD downloads are going to cost them in bandwidth. The Rifftrax are only thirty to forty megs a piece. How are Joel et al. going to make money hosting a bunch of four gigabyte files?
I know this was touched on way back in the thread, but I felt compelled to say something.
There seems to be this knee jerk reaction to "take sides" already. We're on the day of the announcement and I've already seen the phrases "Rifftrax forever!!!" and "riding on the coattails" in this thread alone. It's disgusting and undeserved. I mean, I understand the feeling to display loyalty to Rifftrax and become a tad defensive, but it leaves me raising an eyebrow a bit. First, some basic ideas which I believe to be true:
1. More is good (Version 1)
Guys, you're now going to be getting more riffing content, supplied by some of the other amazingly talented people which brought us MST3k. They wanna riff. I say let them, and I shall cheer them on wholeheartedly. I'm excited about Joel and Trace getting back into it. I want more riffs, but Mike already works at a breakneck pace. Therefore, having someone else step in to bring me even more riffing content? Yay!
2. More is good (Version 2)
This is the economical version of the same statement. Rifftrax and the Titanic Project produce a rather niche item, a product which every single one of us on this message board have labored to try to explain to someone else who doesn't get the concept at first. The "Riff Industry", as I call it, is a growth market. Therefore, anytime someone endeavors to add to the collective availability of this niche, it adds visibility to the market as a whole and encourages new customers to explore and discover what this is all about. If anything, the Titanic project is a *good* thing for Rifftrax. This isn't Pepsi vs. Coke. There doesn't only have to be one winner.
3. I apparently now live in a world where people wonder if Joel is riding on Mike's coattails.
Does anyone find this silly? I lived through the Joel vs. Mike flamewars of the early internet, which is a weird bizzaro equivalent of serving two tours in Vietnam. If we descend back into that again, I will leave this message board and never come back. Add to the fact that it could also be said that Rifftrax is riding on the coattails of MST3k, which is riding on the coattails of Rocky Horror, which is riding on the coattails of your mom. Rifftrax ain't the first to market, folks. Deal with it, pinkboy.
4. Competition is good.
In a healthy capitalistic society, two competing entities earn market share by attempting to become more innovative and offering better content, and more of it, at a better price. When there is no competition, there is no drive to innovate. Now, I will never accuse Rifftrax of not trying hard, as I have been more excited than anyone about the developments of the DIY website, the Rifftrax DVD player, and the ability to get more use out of my DVD collection. Furthermore, Rifftrax is not exactly operating in a vacuum -- they are competing with thousands of sources of entertainment to earn your 3-4 dollars every time they release a new track. But having a new entry into the "Riff Race" places an immediate need on Rifftrax to say to themselves, "Are we doing everything we can to make sure we're releasing the best product possible?" Anytime Rifftrax feels the need to try a bit harder, the consumers of their product win.
Anyways, that's my thoughts, and I'm sure I could go on a bit more. But that's all for now. Please, let's not have this descend into some debate over which is better or "staying loyal". I for one welcome our new MST3k overlords.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisHanel on October 30, 2007, 04:21:44 PM
I've already seen the phrases "Rifftrax forever!!!"
Hey I was saying it before it was cool. ;)
Spoiler
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Cinematic Titanic Forever!! ;)
Sure... bring sense and logic into play. ;)
I'm gonna second ChrisHanel's post. I say this is great. While , personally, i prefer Mike's style of riffing, i started watching MST3K during the Joel years, and I'm happy as a pig in , um, excrement at the news of Joel going back to riffing. The more the merrier.
Got to agree with more is better theory. I threw my loyalty behind Rifftrax in my post, but there's enough loyalty to go around if CT is good, and with Joel and Trace riffing I can't imagine it being bad. The only thing that could make me choose is if it gets too expensive to keep up with new MST releases, Rifftrax, and Cinematic Titanic. If CT keeps the price reasonable (and I have to imagine they'll fight to keep prices low, maybe a price similar to if they released the dvd physically) then it shouldn't be a problem.
I mentioned this in my introductory "Hi" post a few months back, but I'm a latecomer to the world of MST3K and even RiffTrax. I didn't start watching MST3K until after the show had ended and was only being shown in reruns on Sci-Fi, and those were Mike episodes. It wasn't until I started collecting the DVD sets and discovered DAP that I became familiar with Joel... and even though I prefer Mike's riffing... I like them both.
I also didn't discover RiffTrax until three months ago, but have been eagerly collecting them all and only have maybe a dozen left to get. (Well... that's not entirely true... I own ALL of the RiffTrax, I just haven't gotten around to buying or renting all the DVDs to go along with them yet.)
The point of all this is that from my angle, this is terrific news! First I find RiffTrax... and now the other two projects are announced. I'm like a kid in a candy store and will undeniably support all three projects and root for their success.
Long live everybody with the talent and humor to riff! Y'all may drive me to bankruptcy trying to keep up ;) but it'll be a helluva ride!
Man, this is exciting news. I love both Joel and Mike, though Mike was my favourite. I will give the first one a go at least, and I really hope it's great!
Well, as a long-time MSTie since season one...
And as a fan of Mike Nelson and Rifftrax who was one of the first to register on these boards even though I don't post often...
Let be just say:
LONG LIVE RIFFTRAX!!
LONG LIVE CINEMATIC TITANIC!!
I STILL FEEL INDIFFERENT TOWARDS THE NEW MST3k.COM ANIMATED SHORTS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP TO ANY FAULTY CONCLUSIONS UNTIL I SEE ONE AND/OR GET MORE INFORMATION!!
I'm a big fan of riffing in general. I'm also a very strong believer that competition is good, and more is better.
However, a small part of the cynic inside me still says, "Wow... how convenient for them. Not a peep for years, and now that Mike has put everything on the line and made riffing successful again, they all jump back in the water."
Don't get me wrong... I'm thrilled that there is going to be more material out there, and even more MST3K-caliber "bad" movies to choose from. But at the same time, I have WAY more respect for Mike putting his ass on the line when he didn't know whether or not there would even be a market for this kind of thing any more. Everyone coming after has the advantage of far less risk in an already proven market.
So... I guess I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm never going to lose that respect or love for RiffTrax and Mike Nelson, for being the first (and bravest) to put his hat back in the arena.
I want Cinematic Titanic to be great. I'm not going to declare it great before I get to see it but I want it to be great. The mst3k.com stuff I have effectively no hope for, but CT is an exciting announcement.
I will add my voice to those saying that I hope that Rifftrax and CT have a friendly relationship and performers cross back and forth. I know that Mike and Joel may not be able to do that as much as other people just because they have to be involved with each release of their respective projects but please don't burn any bridge between you. I know that this may be out of the hands of people on the Rifftrax side or it could be already too late (behind the scenes stuff can be so messy), but please if it's possible don't close that door.
Well when I said "Rifftrax Forever," I meant I dont want CT to replace Rifftrax. There's room for both, but it doesn't matter how good/bad CT is, so long as Rifftrax keeps it coming. :^)
That's a good way to put it, Pak (you dirty Nazi bastard). :)
Quote from: ChrisHanel on October 30, 2007, 04:21:44 PM
4. Competition is good.
In a healthy capitalistic society, two competing entities earn market share by attempting to become more innovative and offering better content, and more of it, at a better price. When there is no competition, there is no drive to innovate. Now, I will never accuse Rifftrax of not trying hard, as I have been more excited than anyone about the developments of the DIY website, the Rifftrax DVD player, and the ability to get more use out of my DVD collection. Furthermore, Rifftrax is not exactly operating in a vacuum -- they are competing with thousands of sources of entertainment to earn your 3-4 dollars every time they release a new track. But having a new entry into the "Riff Race" places an immediate need on Rifftrax to say to themselves, "Are we doing everything we can to make sure we're releasing the best product possible?" Anytime Rifftrax feels the need to try a bit harder, the consumers of their product win.
I like this economic view. In fact this was the first thought that came to my mind when I heard the news of Cinematic Titanic. I thought: "Looks like RiffTrax has its first real competition, and in the end the customer is gonna win".
Then I thought of all those other thoughts too :P
Good input Chris.
I would really like to add:
I'm having difficultly controlling THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE!
and
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
;D
I'm kinda hoping there will be a friendly rivalry between Mike and Joel, a' la' Jack Benny and Fred Allen, with them exchanging biting yet playful barbs in their respective projects and on their respective websites.
I'm hoping Mike dropkicks Joel, rips his leg off and then kicks Joel's ass him with Joel's own foot like on a celebrity deathmatch ;)
I'm really kidding. That'd be a sight though.
I was played a couple Joel episodes at Blockbuster today before my coworker just threw on a Mike one (coincidentally also with Trace though), so this is insanely great news to come home to.... I'd always worried about the day I'd run out of Joel episodes and would have nothing else to fall back on when I wanted a break from Rifftrax and the Film Crew.... insanely excited about this project and the possibilities from it's existence..
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on October 30, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
Riffageddon has begun leaving a trail of riffed & slaughtered bad movies in it's wake. All bad movies repent because the hour is at hand. That's right, I'm looking at you, House of the Dead.
That's a
lie.
No one looks at
House of the Dead.
Quote from: gbeenie on October 30, 2007, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on October 30, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
Riffageddon has begun leaving a trail of riffed & slaughtered bad movies in it's wake. All bad movies repent because the hour is at hand. That's right, I'm looking at you, House of the Dead.
That's a lie. No one looks at House of the Dead.
(Compound quietly hides his copies of House of the Dead and House of the Dead 2 behind his copy of Hot Shots Part Deux.)
Yep. No one in their right mind would look at that.
Quote from: AmandaGal on October 30, 2007, 08:48:06 PM
I'm hoping Mike dropkicks Joel, rips his leg off and then kicks Joel's ass him with Joel's own foot like on a celebrity deathmatch ;)
I'm really kidding. That'd be a sight though.
I was thinking this could be a great almost "wrestling feud" style thing. There were two wrestling companies that had a feud between them a couple years ago (Ring of Honor and Combat Zone Wrestling), so while behind the scenes the two companies were cooperating, they had the wrestlers at eachother's throats and the respective fans had to take sides. The end result seemed to be increased business for both companies and nearly rabid fanbases screaming for more.
You could modify that into something interesting here, have a rivalry between Joel and Mike escalate so they take shots at eachother in the riffs. Suddenly you could have Bill do a "run-in" and mess with the scaffolding on CT, or some odd sound effect would end up in a Rifftrax and it can be blamed on Trace getting revenge. It'd all be in good fun behind the scenes, appearing like a battle to the fans, though it'd be tongue in cheek.
Okay, so it might not really work, but it was a fun thought that helped me ward off boredom at work.
Leading on from that would each team at some point riff the same movie? Perhaps eventually a CT and Film Crew special edition containing both riffs.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on October 31, 2007, 05:50:10 AM
Leading on from that would each team at some point riff the same movie? Perhaps eventually a CT and Film Crew special edition containing both riffs.
Perhaps, or one episode that featured the CT team riffing part of it, then the Film Crew riffing the next with a fictional "score" to see who's doing better. Of course it would be a tie, and the end of the movie would be the tiebreaker, with everyone riffing at once. ;D It would be gloriously insane.
Quote from: RoninFox on October 31, 2007, 05:53:11 AM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on October 31, 2007, 05:50:10 AM
Leading on from that would each team at some point riff the same movie? Perhaps eventually a CT and Film Crew special edition containing both riffs.
Perhaps, or one episode that featured the CT team riffing part of it, then the Film Crew riffing the next with a fictional "score" to see who's doing better.
Heh, with all the rap battles always happening on YouTube, an intense Riff Battle would be a lot of fun.
Quote from: Imrahil on October 30, 2007, 04:50:38 PM
Well, to add my .02...I'll wait for people here to tell me how these turn out. I've never really gotten Joel's weirdo sense of humor, and I always just wanted to throttle Josh. I find the KTMA episodes absolutely unwatchable. Dr. F was funny, but...I dunno. I've always preferred the guys we have here at Rifftrax now to the earlier incarnations, so I'm not likely to shell out money for this side project.
I think there are a lot of people who feel this way. I'm not one of them, but I've had this discussion before, whenever people talk about their personal preferences. I always thought it was who you got to know first. I first started watching MST3K when it was Joel Trace and Kevin, and I have a real soft spot for that. I also enjoyed the season one and KTMA episodes, just because they were "different" in a raw, unpolished kind of way. I liked Josh's underplayed Servo. So for me, this is a great addition to the "riff family" so to speak.
From KTMA
Phase IV (after the onscreen graphic about midway through the film that stated Phase 2)
Servo: Joel, what's the name of this movie?
Joel: Phase 4
Servo: (pause) We're halfway there...
Maybe the Film Crew will sorta fizzle out and the gang will join the writing team over at CT as the main pseudo-MST3K outlet and then have them cross-over to Rifftrax as the main feature movie outlet.... I still see the biggest advantage MST3K had (and now maybe CT) was a full team of writers
Quote from: pyro on October 31, 2007, 06:46:25 AM
Maybe the Film Crew will sorta fizzle out and the gang will join the writing team over at CT as the main pseudo-MST3K outlet and then have them cross-over to Rifftrax as the main feature movie outlet.... I still see the biggest advantage MST3K had (and now maybe CT) was a full team of writers
Oh, I think Film Crew has fizzled alright.
Seriously, considering the amount of work Mike is putting into RiffTrax these days, and from some of the comments made on this forum from TorgosPizza, I'd say that Film Crew is "dead in the water" ;)
Also, why add more competition to yourself?
My main concern is if Mike will ever be able to get Frank, Trace, Joel or even Mary Jo to guest riff (again)?
Wow. I'm gone for a few days and look what happens! :)
I'm looking forward to all the new projects that have been announced, though I am a little wary of the revival of MST3k, especially as none of the core guys are involved. It seems like it will mean merchandise though, and Mallon's gonna rake in the cash through that alone.
Cinema Titanic sounds *very* promising - I'm not a huge fan of Joel, but I love Trace and Frank, and the downloadable aspect of the series will help with keeping all the costs down - though if they did release them on DVD as well, I'd certainly get them. As for competition, I think it's a good thing, but I wouldn't mind seeing a little crossover between the two, you all have mentioned some great ideas that would benefit both franchises.
It seems that Film Crew was a great idea just slightly ahead of its time... hey that would make a dynamite advertising slogan!
Looks like Joel, Trace, and Frank are starting their own Rifftrax-type site....should be interesting.
Garit
so this seems pretty cool, there are plenty of bad movies to go around :D
Quote from: gammer on October 31, 2007, 07:15:36 AM
Quote from: pyro on October 31, 2007, 06:46:25 AM
Maybe the Film Crew will sorta fizzle out and the gang will join the writing team over at CT as the main pseudo-MST3K outlet and then have them cross-over to Rifftrax as the main feature movie outlet.... I still see the biggest advantage MST3K had (and now maybe CT) was a full team of writers
Oh, I think Film Crew has fizzled alright.
Seriously, considering the amount of work Mike is putting into RiffTrax these days, and from some of the comments made on this forum from TorgosPizza, I'd say that Film Crew is "dead in the water" ;)
Also, why add more competition to yourself?
My main concern is if Mike will ever be able to get Frank, Trace, Joel or even Mary Jo to guest riff (again)?
Yeah, somewhat unfortunately..... although I liked the first one more than any Rifftrax (still haven't seen the last 2), the idea was sorta doomed to start given that each DVD was full price......
And I'm betting Mike will be able to, I'm really hoping for my idea that you quoted.....
And just to be an asshole sorta.... Some people are sorta ragging on Joel and etc and patting Mike on the back for testing the waters and saying the new incarnations are jumping on the bandwagon.... But, if you look back, 'Star Wait' featuring the 3 of them was released in 2005 and if you go back to Trace's interview with View Askew back in May of this year he still hadn't heard of Rifftrax and was already planning to move back to Minnesota as well as doing something new with Joel and Josh............. So it seems to me to be more along the lines of just 'great minds think alike' than simply jumping on the bandwagon....
But the cartoon idea is still bullshit
Quote from: pyro on October 31, 2007, 08:39:16 AM
But the cartoon idea is still bullshit
I laugh everytime someone says that :D ;D :D
Maybe we should ask the moderators, has Mike commented about either of these projects yet, or will he in the near future?
I mean, in an "official" capacity?
yeah "officially"... that comment will be so boring though compared to what he snorts out during lunch...
I'd kill to snort lunch with mike :-*
These Rifftrax guys, they just don't realize how lucky they are to be able to hear Mike snort out things during lunch every day... even his lamest snorts are probably better then the best ones where I work...
Do you think he's just as funny when he snorts breakfast & dinner?
Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but Cinematic Titanic has gotten a mention over at Ain't It Cool News:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34634
You mean Harry didn't run with the news on the Mallon project? Oh I see he did mention it, kinda as an afterthought though.
:D
And way to go, ninjew (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?action=profile;u=369), for the mention on Ain't It Cool!!
Im still wrapping my head around all of these announcements.
1. Mike and Rifftrax is still going to get my money as long as it's still a consistently funny product.
2. Joel and the Cinematic Titanic are going to get my full support from the get go and will for as long as it's consistently funny.
3. The Cartoon idea is bull shit. Jim and Paul will not see a cent from me.
Those are my very simple opinions on all of this wild and crazy news.
I think it would be cool to have a talent exchange of sorts. Mike as a guest on a few Cinematic Titanic episodes, and then Joel, Trace and Frank return the favor for a few Rifftrax.
Sort of a cross promotion between the two brands.
I do hope that everything stays friendly between both sides.
I agree with #1 and #2 but as far as #3, I have an exception... if they put out some awesome never before seen video product from the so-called "legacy" series, I will give him as many cents as he wants (within reason).
But I'm not interested in his little web cartoon.
I have mixed emotions. I'm genuinely excited but... am also a little bowed up and feeling protective of rifftrax...
i'm so confused!
I'm Confused, BUT Curious at the same time..
All of the cast were funny in their own way which helped keep MST3k unique!
I'll be keeping tabs on this new project to see what comes out of it.
.. maybe some co-existance and mingiling of sorts with each other's projects in time could produce some Very Interesting Results!
Holy Crap. That's all I have to say:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34634
(I apologize if this has already been posted somewhere else)
Oh wait, nevermind, there it is:
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5828.0.html
Cinematic Titanic was on slashdot today too.
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on October 31, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
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:highfive:
[Nelson voice] Ha, Ha! [/Nelson voice]
*enters thread eating a ham dinger and drinking a warm PBR *
What's that ya say?
Can you do that in avatar dimensions?
You couldn't read it if I did.
No, obviously you'd have to do a bit of jiggery-pokery with the text.
Quote from: PSLOwner on October 31, 2007, 04:35:38 PM
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Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on October 31, 2007, 06:37:20 PM
No, obviously you'd have to do a bit of jiggery-pokery with the text.
I could give it a shot. I'll get back to you.
Bingo-bango :) Either that or a sort of "Avenge me boys" scene but with Mike and Harry Dean rather than Harry Dean and the actual boys. "Riff this movie Mike!" ;D
That sounds like work. I could try it though. It would involve multiple picture edits, and different head angle shots of Mike.
I read how Joel and his crew have been invited to do a live show for LucasFilms... for I.L.M and LucasFilms employees and guests only.
Funny, Lucasfilm never did that for Mike and Rifftrax!
It's not like Mike's ever dissed Lucafilm products...
oh, wait...
I'm not too worried about how good Cinematic Titanic will be.
Joel is a pretty innovative guy with lots of neat ideas.
I'm sure this will be pretty entertaining, and cleaver...considering the audience he is gearing this towards.
"The Bots are Back" idea scares me a little. Because it seems like Jim is looking at Mike's success with RiffTrax, and he heard about Joel's new endeavor, so he threw the Bots idea together real quick to get a piece of the action.
Like BeerXTaco said, unless Jim can pull some really good material out of the vault, then I don't think the Bots thing will be all that successful on its own.
I do however welcome and eagerly await the new choices we will have... there's just no downside to this, more content, more variety, more fun!
Quote from: Imrahil on November 01, 2007, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: Steve T on November 01, 2007, 06:14:34 AM
I read how Joel and his crew have been invited to do a live show for LucasFilms... for I.L.M and LucasFilms employees and guests only.
What?
Um yeah that's what Joel posted in the announcement on the website, the reason there is this 11 page thread. It's the reason a lot of people think they are riffing something lucas/lucasfilm related (the Holiday Special is a common guess or Howard the Duck) since they are clearly working with Lucasfilm before even going public. Could also just be Joel/Trace/Josh is close friends with some Lucasfilm bigwigs.
I don't think Joel mentioned a timetable. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a clue as to when to expect something more from CT.
He did say in time for Christmas, which isn't that far.
Aww Man! I'll be in Mexico getting a tan and Drinking Lots of Cerveza & Tequila during my annual Christmas / New Years holiday Excursion.. :'( :'(
I Feel Deprived Now ::) ;D
Quote from: Imrahil on November 01, 2007, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: Steve T on November 01, 2007, 06:14:34 AM
I read how Joel and his crew have been invited to do a live show for LucasFilms... for I.L.M and LucasFilms employees and guests only.
What?
Are any of you Guests or Employees of LucasFilms? I feel left out. :'(
So what exactly IS Cinematic Titanic? A riffed movie? I don't really get it.
Either way, I'm happy to see Joel again! It'll be just like the old days.
12 (at least) riffed movies, for download or dvd sales.
Quote from: Phantom of Krankor on November 01, 2007, 01:20:57 PM
So what exactly IS Cinematic Titanic? A riffed movie? I don't really get it.
Ok, here's my wild, ridiculous guess:
The phrase "Cinematic Titanic" is describing the movie, i.e., something that was created with high expectations and much effort but failed completely. So, carrying through with that analogy, the "riffers" are on the movie "boat" hanging onto the scaffolding (on the "bow"). Every time something stupid happens in the movie, it's called an "iceberg" and the ship shakes side-to-side ala "Star Trek". When something REALLY stupid happens, they yell "Man the lifeboats" and leave the "bow". Cut to their lifeboat, where they discuss the movie (like a MST3K host segment), then eventually get back on the ship for the rest of the movie. And...uh...at the end they find the "Heart of the Ocean" necklace...or something.........perhaps they don life vests and hang out in the water and get rescued...
Yes, it's either going to be 12 or 500 (or somewhere in between). ;)
Quote from: eegah on November 01, 2007, 01:38:04 PM
Ok, here's my wild, ridiculous guess:
The phrase "Cinematic Titanic" is describing the movie, i.e., something that was created with high expectations and much effort but failed completely. So, carrying through with that analogy, the "riffers" are on the movie "boat" hanging onto the scaffolding (on the "bow"). Every time something stupid happens in the movie, it's called an "iceberg" and the ship shakes side-to-side ala "Star Trek". When something REALLY stupid happens, they yell "Man the lifeboats" and leave the "bow". Cut to their lifeboat, where they discuss the movie (like a MST3K host segment), then eventually get back on the ship for the rest of the movie. And...uh...at the end they find the "Heart of the Ocean" necklace...or something.........perhaps they don life vests and hang out in the water and get rescued...
Nothing personal, but I hope you're way off with your prediction.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on November 01, 2007, 01:38:28 PM
Yes, it's either going to be 12 or 500 (or somewhere in between). ;)
Quote from: eegah on November 01, 2007, 01:38:04 PM
Ok, here's my wild, ridiculous guess:
The phrase "Cinematic Titanic" is describing the movie, i.e., something that was created with high expectations and much effort but failed completely. So, carrying through with that analogy, the "riffers" are on the movie "boat" hanging onto the scaffolding (on the "bow"). Every time something stupid happens in the movie, it's called an "iceberg" and the ship shakes side-to-side ala "Star Trek". When something REALLY stupid happens, they yell "Man the lifeboats" and leave the "bow". Cut to their lifeboat, where they discuss the movie (like a MST3K host segment), then eventually get back on the ship for the rest of the movie. And...uh...at the end they find the "Heart of the Ocean" necklace...or something.........perhaps they don life vests and hang out in the water and get rescued...
Nothing personal, but I hope you're way off with your prediction.
You did see the part where I mention that it's a "ridiculous" guess, right?
Oh yeah, and I didn't mean any ill will, I just hope you're wrong lol
Quote from: gammer on November 01, 2007, 06:21:01 AM
I'm sure this will be pretty entertaining, and cleaver...considering the audience he is gearing this towards.
Great, now I can't get the image of Joel with a meat cleaver attacking bad movies out of my head. Then again, he'd probably be able to make that funny, he's a pretty clever guy.
Yes, I'm so excited about the news now that I have nothing more to add than to pick on someone's spelling, and that's coming from someone with notoriously bad spelling.
Joel must have come up with something really special to convince everyone to go 'back to the well' with him.
Quote from: Cambot on November 01, 2007, 06:13:56 PM
Joel must have come up with something really special to convince everyone to go 'back to the well' with him.
good point
They said they are doing 12 movies only, or they got liscenses for 12 movies? I hope they do more than 12. I am so glad this is happening. Now that everyone is doing something again, we don't have to worry about what they will or wont do. I remember a few interviews with Mary Jo, and she said that on MST3K, they wanted to do a movie called "Moment By Moment" but couldn't get the licensing completed. I wonder if they will do it for Cinamatic Titantic. And five riffers might seem a little much. We'll have to see how this turns out.
Quote from: MDupont on November 02, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
They said they are doing 12 movies only, or they got liscenses for 12 movies? I hope they do more than 12. That's all I got to say.
I'm guessing 12 is their starting point. Their "season one" of perhaps one movie a month for a year. Elsewhere on the site is mention of 500 movies, so I'd imagine they're going to try and keep at it as long as humanly possible (considering it took MST3K 11 seasons to approach the 200 mark)
Are there even 500 more movies that re low budget B-Movies? They might have to take a dive into dubbed foreign films, although, this isn't unfamiliar for them.
Quote from: MDupont on November 02, 2007, 01:50:27 PM
Are there even 500 more movies that re low budget B-Movies? They might have to take a dive into dubbed foreign films, although, this isn't unfamiliar for them.
I can't tell if you're joking or not. They would have to LIMIT themselves to 500 B-movies.
I wonder if they will do shorts too.
Quote from: MDupont on November 02, 2007, 02:19:09 PM
I wonder if they will do shorts too.
I sure as hell hope they do, some of the shorts from MST were the best riff material.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 02, 2007, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: MDupont on November 02, 2007, 02:19:09 PM
I wonder if they will do shorts too.
I sure as hell hope they do, some of the shorts from MST were the best riff material.
PROGRESS!!
I don't know how this will all pan out, but I do wish Joel and crew the best.
Still, I wish they'd 'branch out' down the road and start being a direct competitor to Rifftrax, with audio-only tracks riffing on current films. It would roughly double the output in this market of riffing popular movies, and some friendly competition might just push the quality up a notch on both sides. I think the Rifftrax model is a better one overall, and much more convenient (and in a sense, cheaper) when you already happen to have a movie and can quickly download the Rifftrax and start watching right away.
Also, popular movies are, well, popular, and would want to be seen by a larger crowd than the obscure movies would. Obscure movies are for the cult followers like a lot of us, but popular movies draw a larger audience, and consequently, larger profits.
Quote from: Jinto on November 03, 2007, 02:16:58 PM
I don't know how this will all pan out, but I do wish Joel and crew the best.
Still, I wish they'd 'branch out' down the road and start being a direct competitor to Rifftrax, with audio-only tracks riffing on current films. It would roughly double the output in this market of riffing popular movies, and some friendly competition might just push the quality up a notch on both sides. I think the Rifftrax model is a better one overall, and much more convenient (and in a sense, cheaper) when you already happen to have a movie and can quickly download the Rifftrax and start watching right away.
Also, popular movies are, well, popular, and would want to be seen by a larger crowd than the obscure movies would. Obscure movies are for the cult followers like a lot of us, but popular movies draw a larger audience, and consequently, larger profits.
I'd actually prefer they didn't branch into the Rifftrax model, and if possible occasionally swap talent. From the sound of it CT releases should be fewer and farther between, so you can spread things out price wise, as opposed to Rifftrax where they often come out so quickly you'd go broke if they weren't reasonably priced. I just really think it'll be better for everyone involved if they operated differently from each other, as it will help create some individual identity to the projects.
Okay, after mulling over this news for a bit, I hate to say that while of course I loved the Joel and Trace shows (Josh not so much), Mike and Kevin were the ones most recently doing the riffing, and were really FORCED out of the show by the cancellation demons at Sci-Fi. They followed that up with some hilarious books that proved their love of all things Mistie-like. Everyone else however left the show as a personal choice, so I feel that them coming back to it is a little sad and desperate and disingenous. We all know they didn't have much success after MST, whereas Mike and Kevin have written real grown-up, non illustrated books and whatnot and what have you and are now having success with doing what they love. Joel spent most of his time consulting for bad sitcoms while Trace and Josh were writing pee-pee jokes for a show that's been replaced in popularity by guys kicking each other in the nuts on YouTube.
I was interested to see if Joel brought any "invention" to the concept, but apparently he didn't. And I know some crazy kids with their raves and their hoola hoops like to download entire movies but I don't have the space or time to download four gigabytes. I had to delete my Star Wars DVD project because I was down to almost no bytes. So that's one more bandwagon they're trying to jump on. I sure hope they don't try to throw in hip pop culture references like Rifftrax does. Like Joel knows what an iPhone is. Joel's idea of an iPhone has a big eyeball in the center of it for seeing the person you're talking to. And he doesn't know that exists now either.
But what is it with Joel and the rhyming? Static Planets in Static-O-Matic and now Cinematic Titanic? I'm having an asthmatic acrobatic panic attack. Ack!
It has assonance though.
That's not good. If you assonance, you make an ass out of O and Nance... wait, that doesn't sound right....
Between Rifftrax, The Film Crew, Cinematic Titanic and now the 'Bots are Back, it really makes me wonder why they don't all just get together and do MST3K for DVD.
Is Jim Mallon gumming up the works with rights and such? Or maybe they feel that MST3K was for a season and now they've moved on... to doing almost the exact same thing.
Thoughts?
CMS
I got the impression that, at least for the mst3k crew at the end, there was always a desire to do more in the future together. I think that the DVD sales and eventually rifftrax showed that the fanbase was definitely still out there and would be (financially) supportive of a new venture. It doesn't surprise me too much that Mike, Joel, Trace, etc. would have different ideas as to what direction they would want to go in with a new venture.
Quote from: BathTub on November 06, 2007, 08:52:08 AM
It has assonance though.
No, that's just me; I had the chimichangas for lunch. Sorry.
Quote from: bratpop on November 06, 2007, 03:51:54 AM
Okay, after mulling over this news for a bit, I hate to say that while of course I loved the Joel and Trace shows (Josh not so much), Mike and Kevin were the ones most recently doing the riffing, and were really FORCED out of the show by the cancellation demons at Sci-Fi. They followed that up with some hilarious books that proved their love of all things Mistie-like. Everyone else however left the show as a personal choice, so I feel that them coming back to it is a little sad and desperate and disingenous. We all know they didn't have much success after MST, whereas Mike and Kevin have written real grown-up, non illustrated books and whatnot and what have you and are now having success with doing what they love. Joel spent most of his time consulting for bad sitcoms while Trace and Josh were writing pee-pee jokes for a show that's been replaced in popularity by guys kicking each other in the nuts on YouTube.
I was interested to see if Joel brought any "invention" to the concept, but apparently he didn't. And I know some crazy kids with their raves and their hoola hoops like to download entire movies but I don't have the space or time to download four gigabytes. I had to delete my Star Wars DVD project because I was down to almost no bytes. So that's one more bandwagon they're trying to jump on. I sure hope they don't try to throw in hip pop culture references like Rifftrax does. Like Joel knows what an iPhone is. Joel's idea of an iPhone has a big eyeball in the center of it for seeing the person you're talking to. And he doesn't know that exists now either.
But what is it with Joel and the rhyming? Static Planets in Static-O-Matic and now Cinematic Titanic? I'm having an asthmatic acrobatic panic attack. Ack!
I don't think downloading and burning your own disk is the only option for purchasing these. And it isn't a crime for someone to do one thing, choose to leave and try something else, and then go back to where they came from. If the product sucks, blame them for that but I'd rather have them at least trying to provide us content than not trying at all. This doesn't have to be a Mike/Kevin/Bill or Joel/Josh/Trace choice only.
Quote from: CMSELBY on November 06, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Between Rifftrax, The Film Crew, Cinematic Titanic and now the 'Bots are Back, it really makes me wonder why they don't all just get together and do MST3K for DVD.
Is Jim Mallon gumming up the works with rights and such? Or maybe they feel that MST3K was for a season and now they've moved on... to doing almost the exact same thing.
Thoughts?
CMS
I'm pretty sure I remember Mike saying some where that he'd do it again if he could
Just a heads up - the geekdom blog geekanerd has a roundup of the three different MST camps now in action, and a review of the "Bots Are Back" short:
http://geekanerd.blogspot.com
YOWP.
I truly, truly hope that Joel's endeavors of this new old project of his is as genuine as when he first started it. But he did originally leave the whole MYSTIE thing behind. Mike kept it going in all sorts of different ways. He never left it. He appreciated the love us fans had for it and succeeded in bringing it back in the vehicles of Film Crew, RiffTrax and Legend Films.
Now Hodgsen and Mallon step back in after they see what Mike has been able to accomplish. Jim Mallon takes the mst3k.com site, and Joel claims his project has the ORIGINAL cast members. What an insult! I wish they had just re-joined Mike in making the best products ever! But maybe as Jinto had mentioned the competition might up the quality. :-\
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 12:04:54 PM
I truly, truly hope that Joel's endeavors of this new old project of his is as genuine as when he first started it. But he did originally leave the whole MYSTIE thing behind. Mike kept it going in all sorts of different ways. He never left it. He appreciated the love us fans had for it and succeeded in bringing it back in the vehicles of Film Crew, RiffTrax and Legend Films.
Now Hodgsen and Mallon step back in after they see what Mike has been able to accomplish. Jim Mallon takes the mst3k.com site, and Joel claims his project has the ORIGINAL cast members. What an insult! I wish they had just re-joined Mike in making the best products ever! But maybe as Jinto had mentioned the competition might up the quality. :-\
Well after Jim's lack luster cartoon he has nowhere to go but up.
so he's got that going for him
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 12:04:54 PM
Now Hodgsen and Mallon step back in after they see what Mike has been able to accomplish.
You don't know that. RiffTrax is doing good enough to keep going for this long, but I doubt Mike is swimming in gold coins like Scrooge McDuck.
QuoteJoel claims his project has the ORIGINAL cast members. What an insult!
He
does have the original cast members. I don't see the insult.
The 'Bots toon was pretty stinko. But I wouldn't be so hard on old Joel. I've worked on things that felt stale after a while, set them aside and then later went back, picked them up and felt good about the work. Maybe for Joel, Trace, Frank, Josh and Mary Jo it was similar.
I'd still love to see them all just to MST again, but until Cinematic Titanic debuts I'll withhold my judgment.
CMS
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 06, 2007, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 12:04:54 PM
Now Hodgsen and Mallon step back in after they see what Mike has been able to accomplish.
I don't believe Joel would even be doing something if Mike had not shown that it can still be profitable. Like I pointed out Joel has not done anything in this field since he left it far behind. Of course I hope that this it not the case. Riffing movies could become the national pastime with all sots of parties jumping in, as long as it is quality.
You don't know that. RiffTrax is doing good enough to keep going for this long, but I doubt Mike is swimming in gold coins like Scrooge McDuck.
QuoteJoel claims his project has the ORIGINAL cast members. What an insult!
He does have the original cast members. I don't see the insult.
Mike and Bill and Kevin are not fakes.
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 01:11:38 PM
Mike and Bill and Kevin are not fakes.
But they're not original cast members. Try not to take what Joel states on his webpage out of context.
Here's My 'Vote' for Support (being election day n all..):
RiffTrax - 99.9% :D :D :D
Cinematic Titanic - 50% (Currently; based on the Original cast members) :-\
Jim Mallon's 'Flash' Bots - < (Less Than) 5% :gouge:
But they're not original cast members. Try not to take what Joel states on his webpage out of context.
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I'll try.
But let's not forget who has been keeping this all going. Joel should be grateful. (Maybe he is.)
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 01:21:37 PMI'll try.
But let's not forget who has been keeping this all going. Joel should be grateful. (Maybe he is.)
Has nobody noticed that Mary Jo has been involved in Both. Maybe there isn't a line drawn in the sand. And as far as the ORIGINAL comment it's not like they are claiming that they are head writer for the show or misleading on their title. He wasn't claiming he was solely responsible for the success of the show or anything like that. They were there at the start. Just think of how man people were fans of the show but don't know all of the cast members by name. Joel didn't even use his real name on the show after the KTMA season. I don't think it's a crime to state what you've done in the past. Original isn't a slam on anyone. And it has been 15 years since Joels been on tv on a regular basis, I doubt I would have recognized him on the street.
I humbly await the outcome. :)
Well, one thing's for sure... the flash bots SUCK. Oh, and so does the new MST3K site. No big surprise, unfortunately. :(
I agree totally! When i went to see what new stuff they had for you to buy at the shop they all really kind of sucked. The MST3K planet doesnt even look the same if you want to buy a shirt or something. *grumble* how can i be a fan when the memorabilia is not even what it originally looked like?
When I was watching MST3k on Comedy Central back in the day, I would have never thought it would eventually come to this.
This whole "Team Mike", "Team Joel", "Team Jim" thing is kinda awkward.
I'd like to see a healthy Rifftrax/Film Crew/Cinematic Titanic relationship with lots of cross-guesting. Somehow, I doubt it'll happen. If they were truly interested in keeping the fanbase pleased and maximizing positive feedback, they'll(Joel and Mike) realize that they did they're best work when they were working together.
Mike Guest Riffing Alongside Joel and Trace for "CT". Joel and/or Trace Riffing Alongside Mike and Kevin and/or Bill for "RT". Sounds Good to me. How about You Guys?
Also, if these guys can find their war to work together in this fashion, perhaps they could find the motivation to do something to save the new MST3k.com.
But...
To quote the late, great John Lennon: "You may say I'm a dreamer..."
:violin: :deadhorse:
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 06, 2007, 03:31:15 PM
:violin: :deadhorse:
Yes, yes... Okay, Okay... My bad. I've said my peace. I'll shut up now.
C'mon, people, let's leave the old Mike vs. Joel flame wars behind us. There's no need to bring them back to life.
From what Joel insinuates, I think he will be taking the concept back to its low-budget MST3K roots, i.e. with old, forgotten B-movies that are probably not in distribution and are thus easy and cheap to license. He says of the first film that "it's very rare, it's very strange, and it's of questionable quality."
Uh, technically you didn't say your peace, you said your piece. That is, unless you just signed a treaty of some kind with Joel I'm unaware of. ;)
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 06, 2007, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 06, 2007, 01:11:38 PM
Mike and Bill and Kevin are not fakes.
But they're not original cast members. Try not to take what Joel states on his webpage out of context.
I consider Joel and "the original cast members" to be like Star Trek TOS
And Mike and the whole Sci Fi era to be like Star Trek TNG
Not only was Mike/TNG around longer than Joel/TOS,.... Mike/TNG was/ is my genaration.
Joel/TOS will still hold a specal place in my heart.
only Joel/TOS could have pulled off a Patrick Swazey Christmas
If Mike/TNG tried to do it it wouldn't be the same.
Quote from: Imrahil on November 06, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
Huzzah for other nazis!
Gee whizz, Imrahil, that's not cool.
>:D
Quote from: ig400 on November 06, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Not only was Mike/TNG around longer than Joel/TOS,.... Mike/TNG was/ is my genaration.
From a technical standpoint Joel did more MST3k episodes than Mike did, as a host anyway.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 07:25:27 PM
Uh, technically you didn't say your peace, you said your piece. That is, unless you just signed a treaty of some kind with Joel I'm unaware of. ;)
Actually I believe that he was correct in saying "peace." I thought the expression was used to dictate that a person had finished expressing themselves in an environment of possible apprehension or conflict. Hence it would be his "peace"ful and non-argumentative statements in a situation where such words are needed. That seems to make sense here as they are many people with differing opinions on how CT could go and so he was added his input while attempting to avoid debate.
I can see how "piece" might work as that it was his piece to the conversation and input however I'm always found "peace" to be more logical, IMO.
There, now I've said my peace too. :D
Piece is the original usage. I'm at work so my of Internet is blocked for the most part so I can't find a source (it lets me on rifftrax but dictionary.com is blocked as educational), but I'm sure I am correct. It was originally used because the term "piece" was used to describe a short speech or text. You can hold your peace on a subject, but you can't "speak" your peace. Holding your peace would be what Yoohoo alluded too.
It's becoming more common to use "peace." I guess since it is a colloquialism and since English is a living language that is forever evolving, "peace" is probably not technically incorrect. I still say it's incorrect.
If anyone on here ever says "all intensive purposes," I'll have to hunt you down and kill you.
Edited to add: If you said "I want to say my peace" in an argument such as this, it's an oxymoron. How can you speak an opposing opinion in a debate and it be peace? You are not speaking "peace" unless you're saying, "dude, here's an olive branch. Why can't we all just get along." "Speaking" your opinion is breaking the peace.
If you say your piece, then hold your peace on the debate, that is plausible ;)
[hey, this is better than Joel vs mike I think ]
I'll throw in a vote for "peace", it could be that the spellings are interchangeable but (subconsciously) I always assumed the same definition as Yoohoo
... ah, back to Cinematic Titanic anyone wanna speculate how many of these things they'll do a year? I'm guessing about 8, no reason for that number, just seems like it would be difficult to get everybody together unless they share riffer duties on each... umm 'mp3?'
Well, irregardless, for all intensive purposes we know what he/she/it/phe means. Isn't that the ultimate point of language: to communicate.
I'm so kicking your ass. IT'S ON BITC. . . err, bettertomorrowamy.
I was mostly just being snarky and trying to get the thread of topic by correcting the grammar. ;D
Joel has updated the Cinematic Titanic website. He drops another hint about the first victim. I'm starting to think more and more it's the Star Wars Holiday special. :highfive:
The new MST3K cartoon and Cinematic Titanic are like perfect mirror images so far. Every hope I have for the bots cartoon keeps spiraling further and further down, while my hopes for CT keep going up. I hope I'm not disappointed, but I am completely psyched.
AmandaGal is correct. It's "piece" not "peace".
Piece of mind = an opinion (a figurative "piece" of one's mind... i.e. saying one's "piece")
Peace of mind = absence of mental stress
Saying one's "peace" may be common these days, but it's still incorrect.
Sooo... For "all intensive purposes," :scared:
A 'Piece of Ass' and an 'Ass at Peace' would be Grammatically Correct :P
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on November 06, 2007, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 07:25:27 PM
Uh, technically you didn't say your peace, you said your piece. That is, unless you just signed a treaty of some kind with Joel I'm unaware of. ;)
Actually I believe that he was correct in saying "peace." I thought the expression was used to dictate that a person had finished expressing themselves in an environment of possible apprehension or conflict. Hence it would be his "peace"ful and non-argumentative statements in a situation where such words are needed.
Quote from: Bairman on November 07, 2007, 05:48:42 AM
AmandaGal is correct. It's "piece" not "peace".
I've spoken the phrase outloud quite a bit. Never had to write/type it out. Wasn't sure which way it went, took a stab in the dark, turns out I was wrong. My bad.
Nice attempt at a Save YooHoo, thanks for lookin' out for me. You're actually not too far off. It wasn't my attempt to "re-hash old flame wars". Just holding out hope that RiffTrax and CT will be cool enough for each other to get some professional collaborating done.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled forum topic, already in progress.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 07, 2007, 02:45:50 AM
Well, irregardless, for all intensive purposes we know what he/she/it/phe means. Isn't that the ultimate point of language: to communicate.
The fury at irregular language is unbearable :grr:
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 10:40:06 PM
If anyone on here ever says "all intensive purposes," I'll have to hunt you down and kill you.
Hey, it's a doggy dog world... 8)
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 10:40:06 PM
Edited to add: If you said "I want to say my peace" in an argument such as this, it's an oxymoron. How can you speak an opposing opinion in a debate and it be peace? You are not speaking "peace" unless you're saying, "dude, here's an olive branch. Why can't we all just get along." "Speaking" your opinion is breaking the peace.
If you say your piece, then hold your peace on the debate, that is plausible ;)
Well like I said he was stating his ideas in a potential place of conflict but didn't do so to take a side, merely to suggest a posssible cooperation on the parts of CT and Rifftrax. So while this thread isn't as aggressive as the bots are back thread he still offered a compromise hence it was his "peace." Also I always thought "said my peace" worked liked "I mean no disrespect..." in which you could say contrasting things but without trying to fuel the fire of debate.
Nevertheless it seems that I have been proven wrong by and while I generally try to make sure I'm speaking correctly, I think I'll continue using and thinking "said my peace" instead of "said my piece." It just seems better to me. Also to me it's "I'm going to give him a piece of my mind" "Speak now or forever hold your peace" and "I'd like a piece of cake"
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on November 07, 2007, 06:45:16 AM
I think I'll continue using and thinking "said my peace" instead of "said my piece." It just seems better to me.
If that gives you peace of mind, I say go for it. ;)
"Saying your peace" is oxymoronic. "Holding your peace" is the same as "keeping the peace" it's not that the peace is an object per se but rather by not speaking the peace/quiet is maintained.
More "details" are to be released on Starwars.com (hmm is that a hint?) this Saturday! Hopefully that includes the announcement of their first "film," as Joel ironically calls it.
Joel's new post is hilarious.....I am really happy that he and the rest of the crew is back. I am all giddy.!!
I wonder if Cinematic Titanic will have a forum...
;D
Hey its a possibility, but i do like this forum a lot.
Also i just checked out the video from the new mst3k website, and i really didnt like it at all, i just wasn't that funny to me, anyone feel the same?
I think that's the general consensus.
What stands out to me the the repetition of 'Original', yes technically Josh was Tom first, but honestly, most people are much more likely to go "Josh who?" or "Wait, wasn't Kevin 'Tom Servo'?" This isn't even close to a Mike vs Joel or Bill vs Trace thing. The guy who left after the first season (2 if you include the KTMA stuff) compared with the guy who did it for the other 9 seasons, the Movie, and all the other specials and stuff that were done.
Will the Real Tom Servo please stand up. ;)
Yeah... it's like saying Pete Best was the drummer for The Beatles. He was... but...
Yeah I think Kevin is the real Tom Servo.....but thats just me.
Ok, it's just been confirmed by a reliable source on the MST3K Review board that it isn't the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:37:09 AM
Ok, it's just been confirmed by a reliable source on the MST3K Review board that it isn't the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Awww... but it's gotta be something of Lucas'... right? Howard the Duck?
Ewoks :Caravan of Courage?
Amy will be overjoyed!
Quote from: David on November 07, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:37:09 AM
Ok, it's just been confirmed by a reliable source on the MST3K Review board that it isn't the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Awww... but it's gotta be something of Lucas'... right? Howard the Duck?
That's my thinking.
so i didn't completely understand what joel meant for the first dvd that will be on sale in December. Is it just going to be a recording of the show they are doing at Lucasarts? or is it something else? or do we have no real idea yet?
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 08:08:32 AM
I think that's the general consensus.
Yeah i noticed the other post about that, glad everyone feels like i do about it
Quote from: Brak on November 07, 2007, 08:57:32 AM
so i didn't completely understand what joel meant for the first dvd that will be on sale in December. Is it just going to be a recording of the show they are doing at Lucasarts? or is it something else? or do we have no real idea yet?
It'll be a studio version. Nice and clean. Read the second update.
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:46:47 AM
Quote from: David on November 07, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:37:09 AM
Ok, it's just been confirmed by a reliable source on the MST3K Review board that it isn't the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Awww... but it's gotta be something of Lucas'... right? Howard the Duck?
That's my thinking.
He said the movie is "very rare" though, and I wouldn't consider Howard the Duck to be very rare.
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Did anyone get that new update sent directly to their email? I thought that i had signed up for the newsletter...
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on November 07, 2007, 09:59:36 AM
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Did anyone get that new update sent directly to their email? I thought that i had signed up for the newsletter...
-Rude
Not I.
Quote from: Bairman on November 07, 2007, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: Rude on November 07, 2007, 09:59:36 AM
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Did anyone get that new update sent directly to their email? I thought that i had signed up for the newsletter...
-Rude
Not I.
Me either, I even registered with a second email, I thought maybe the first one wasn't going through. Guess they're not sending updates via newsletter?
I'm on the mailing list too but I've yet to recieve anything.
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 07, 2007, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:46:47 AM
Quote from: David on November 07, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on November 07, 2007, 08:37:09 AM
Ok, it's just been confirmed by a reliable source on the MST3K Review board that it isn't the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Awww... but it's gotta be something of Lucas'... right? Howard the Duck?
That's my thinking.
He said the movie is "very rare" though, and I wouldn't consider Howard the Duck to be very rare.
Pretty sure the only DVD's are bootlegs.
yup, Howard the Duck is as rare as they get
Well Amazon has a page for the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Duck-Lea-Thompson/dp/B00005JMVL/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_img_in/104-5734263-3040752) which might point to a forthcomming release.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Well Amazon has a page for the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Duck-Lea-Thompson/dp/B00005JMVL/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_img_in/104-5734263-3040752) which might point to a forthcomming release.
Yes, but is said potential upcoming release NEW and SEALED?? ;)
I just read the update on the Cinematic page.
It put a smile on my face.
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like they are talking to an old friend when they read Joel's writing?
Quote from: Minnesota on November 07, 2007, 10:46:32 AM
yup, Howard the Duck is as rare as they get
OK, trying to un-wedge my foot from my mouth.
But...I still think it's not going to be Howard the Duck. I think it's going to be something a bit older, and a bit more bizarre.
THX?
Why do you guys think it HAS to be a Lucas film?
Quote from: BEERxTaco on November 07, 2007, 12:40:26 PM
Why do you guys think it HAS to be a Lucas film?
Exactly. It could be
anything.
True it could be anything but I think people assume Lucas name associated with the project indicates one of his films.
and THX was pretty strange
Quote from: Brak on November 07, 2007, 12:43:57 PM
and THX was pretty strange
But Lucas was pretty damn proud of that movie, I doubt he'd hand it over to be ripped on.
Also, what country is that Howard the Duck cover from on Amazon that it actually reads "Howard O Super Hero!"
Well the language track is in English and Portuguese so either Portugal or Brazil?
Has anyone mentioned Willow yet? Or the Radioland Murders? More American Graffitti? These are all distinct possibilities, wouldn't you say? I didn't get the update via e-mail either.
Well, irregardless of all these grammer issues, I ain't got no beef with no one who uses pore grammer as long as y'all make you're meaning clear, its all write with me.
Oh god I'd forgotten about Willow, that's a good suggestion.
I dont think it will be Howard the Duck.
What I DO wonder about is why the first live show and "debut" is for the folks at Lucas Arts. Is Joel tight with someone there? I doubt that they would want to see one of their movies riffed ala Time Chasers in front of the employees.
My guess is that Joel is tight with someone there.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 02:21:08 PM
Well the language track is in English and Portuguese so either Portugal or Brazil?
Don't see that anywhere on the page, but if you say so.
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 07, 2007, 02:22:49 PM
Has anyone mentioned Willow yet? Or the Radioland Murders? More American Graffitti? These are all distinct possibilities, wouldn't you say? I didn't get the update via e-mail either.
Well, irregardless of all these grammer issues, I ain't got no beef with no one who uses pore grammer as long as y'all make you're meaning clear, its all write with me.
It would be indeed funny if Willow lost the Round Table Riff poll just to get targeted by Joel and his team. As one of the people who voted for Willow it would make me smile. ;D
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Well Amazon has a page for the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Duck-Lea-Thompson/dp/B00005JMVL/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_img_in/104-5734263-3040752) which might point to a forthcomming release.
They have pages for lots of things. Even the Star Wars special that Lucas has said will never get released has a page.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 07, 2007, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 02:21:08 PM
Well the language track is in English and Portuguese so either Portugal or Brazil?
Don't see that anywhere on the page, but if you say so.
It's in the product details:
QuoteEnglish Audio Sound in Dolby Digital with Optional Portuguese Secondary Audio Channel
Quote from: MrTorso on November 07, 2007, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 07, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Well Amazon has a page for the DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Duck-Lea-Thompson/dp/B00005JMVL/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_img_in/104-5734263-3040752) which might point to a forthcomming release.
They have pages for lots of things. Even the Star Wars Special that Lucas has said will never get released has a page.
I know, that's why I stressed the might :)
It's definitely the Star Wars Holiday Special in my opinion!
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 07, 2007, 02:41:51 PM
It's definitely the Star Wars Holiday Special in my opinion!
Except that Mary jo's husband has said twice over at the MST3K Discussion board that it is not....
Quote from: MrTorso on November 07, 2007, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 07, 2007, 02:41:51 PM
It's definitely the Star Wars Holiday Special in my opinion!
Except that Mary jo's husband has said twice over at the MST3K Discussion board that it is not....
Bahhhhhh! That's a smoke screen!
At this point I am more curious about the delivery of CT offerings than the content. The only thing I have seen around was the Slashdot piece that said:
QuoteThey've already got the rights to 12 movies, and will be releasing one a month starting in December for DVD purchase or download.
I wonder how they are going to do it? Are the DVDs going to be downloadable? That is a hell of a lot of bandwidth. Their servers couldn't handle having ONE page linked. Are they going to sell DVDs and the download is going to be a compressed computer file?? That seems more plausible than having full DVDs for downloading. The wording of the Slashdot article makes it seem (to me0 that you can buy the DVD or you can get some kind of download (avi/mpg/rm).
Quote from: MrTorso on November 07, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
The wording of the Slashdot article makes it seem (to me0 that you can buy the DVD or you can get some kind of download (avi/mpg/rm).
Well I think Joel said something about wanting this to be ready for Christmas. That might imply that its a physical DVD (so that people could gift it).
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Someone mentioned that people have been talking about a showing of Raiders Of The Lost Ark: The Adaptation. Could just be buzz, since i really doubt that would ever be released on DVD in any sort of officially sanctioned manner... even if it were getting riffed.
-Rude
I'm surprised Trace is riffing again, based on what he said last may:
"QS: How do you view things like Mike's RiffTrax project, or The Film Crew? Have you ever felt the urge to do something like that again?
BEAULIEU: Not riffing. Not movie mocking or anything like that. Joel and Josh and I did a little thing... what was it... Star Wait... And we were riffing on footage that a guy had shot of these Star Wars fans waiting for the movie to open. At first it was kind of weird being back with Joel and Josh and mocking something. That had its own strangeness to it. But I realized that without that character, I really didn't have a reason to mock anything. I actually kinda like stuff. People have talked about, "Oh, you know you should do that again." It's like, "Well we did it." I mean, that's kind of why I left, was like, "I got it. I did that thing already." And I haven't seen what Mike and those guys have done."
http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/2007/05/16/interview-trace-beaulieu
btw, do you think CT may be doing something like Star Wait for this again?
I forgot about Star Wait ... I guess that explains where the Lucas relationship probably 'started' or at least got their attention.
Trace also did a reading for Jar Jar Binks...take it for what its worth
I don't think it'll be a big movie. The DVD of the thing is coming out pretty soon after, and if it was Howard the Duck or the Star Wars Holiday Special - I think it's odd way to make your debut on on DVD: Having it ripped apart by the guys of MST3k. I'm thinking some random piece of Sci-Fi rubbish, which is fine by me. :)
Quote from: yanni576 on November 07, 2007, 06:06:12 PM
Trace also did a reading for Jar Jar Binks...take it for what its worth
Which had the potential to eventually become Mike, Kevin, and Bill riffing on Trace? That might have destroyed the universe as we know it.
Quote from: mrbasehart on November 07, 2007, 06:12:07 PM
I don't think it'll be a big movie. The DVD of the thing is coming out pretty soon after, and if it was Howard the Duck or the Star Wars Holiday Special - I think it's odd way to make your debut on on DVD: Having it ripped apart by the guys of MST3k. I'm thinking some random piece of Sci-Fi rubbish, which is fine by me. :)
I dunno. Was Reefer Madness on DVD before Mike got to it?
yup, cult classic that one
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 07, 2007, 07:06:18 PM
I dunno. Was Reefer Madness on DVD before Mike got to it?
Lots of crappy PD releases of that one!
I really doubt that the movie is going to be ANY Lucas product. The ones available on DVD are not "rare," and the rest... are not available on DVD (Star Wars Holiday Specila, Howard the Duck). Also, keep in mind that CT has purchased the licence to these 12 films, similar to how Legend Films owns the rights to produce the DVDs of the various movies they've colourized. There's no way in hell that Lucas is going to give up ANY rights to his material.
Whatever it is that Joel's going to be showing at ILM, it's got nothing to do with Lucas, it's just some old sci-fi stinker. It's a mystery to me why he's doing a special show for Lucas's people, but it's not because it's a movie that they own. That much is for sure.
TRON!
Well the official site now says it will be up at starwars.com so I would think they would have to be getting something from it. It's gotta be tied together with Lucas somehow.
QuoteAnd it isn't a crime for someone to do one thing, choose to leave and try something else, and then go back to where they came from.
But even Shatner has moved beyond Star Trek. SHATNER!
QuoteMore American Graffitti?
That would be pretty awesome. I seriously doubt it of course. But it would be awesome.
I'm thinking the most likely candidate is the original Flash Gordon serials. Or not. It would be the cheapest b-movie with any Star Wars relation. Apart from some bad 80s sci-fi movie or something ILM worked on. Batteries Not Included?
Time Runner?
Battle of the Network Stars?
Quote from: Rude on November 07, 2007, 05:06:18 PM
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Someone mentioned that people have been talking about a showing of Raiders Of The Lost Ark: The Adaptation. Could just be buzz, since i really doubt that would ever be released on DVD in any sort of officially sanctioned manner... even if it were getting riffed.
-Rude
Ok that's about the single coolest guess I have seen so far.
Quote from: Imrahil on November 07, 2007, 05:07:08 PM
And what is this, the version where the guns are all replaced by walkie talkies and Stan and Kyle are tied up to a pole while Spielberg screens the redone movie?
During the 80's some teens spent like 7 years filming a shot for shot remake (http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders_adaptation/index.php) of Raiders of the Lost Ark, it was forgotten about for years but was recently dug up and got screened a bit.
Quote from: bratpop on November 08, 2007, 03:18:00 AMBut even Shatner has moved beyond Star Trek. SHATNER!
Nope... not really. Sure he's done other things, but he's by no means moved beyond it. He just came out with a new Star Trek novel, and is currently very vocal about his dissapointment in not being cast in the upcoming Trek movie.
But on the subject at hand, I am a bit concerned about Trace's heart really being in it after what he said in the quoted interview. Still, I wish Joel and company the best of success.
People change their minds... and he did say that "without the character it didn't feel right", so that tells me that Cinematic Titanic has characters :)
From another interview posted recently (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=mstchat&action=display&thread=1194113510&page=1#1194113510).
QuoteQ32: Mike Nelson has been recording some very funny commentary tracks for DVD, such as the one he did for "Reefer Madness". Have you ever considered doing commentary tracks as well?
A32: I hadn't really. Josh, Joel and I did a mini commentary on a thing a while back. It was weird being old men and jumping back 20 years to riff on something. Rather uncomfortable. I think I'd prefer to be a maker, rather than a mocker. I'm done with riffing on bad movies. Unless, of course, it pays well.
Quote from: Imrahil on November 06, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 06, 2007, 07:25:27 PM
Uh, technically you didn't say your peace, you said your piece. That is, unless you just signed a treaty of some kind with Joel I'm unaware of. ;)
Huzzah for other grammar nazis!
Look, irregardless of how you are orientated, it is a mute point. Supposably, there's no need to renumerate. ;)
CMS
Quote from: bratpop on November 08, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
QuoteAnd it isn't a crime for someone to do one thing, choose to leave and try something else, and then go back to where they came from.
But even Shatner has moved beyond Star Trek. SHATNER!
Shatner did Star Trek, left, did TJ Hooker, and then went back to Star Trek with all the movies, and now he's done... for now anyway.
EDItT: I didn't see Sandstorm's post above. Helps my point anyway.
What's with Joel spelling theater "Theatre"?
I know that's how they spelled it in the KTMA pilot, but they changed it quickly afterwards and stuck with "Theater" until the end (unless, of course, you count the misspelling in the SciFi ads for the final episode).
Has it been that long for you, Joel?
Quote from: eegah on November 08, 2007, 12:57:53 PM
What's with Joel spelling theater "Theatre"?
I know that's how they spelled it in the KTMA pilot, but they changed it quickly afterwards and stuck with "Theater" until the end (unless, of course, you count the misspelling in the SciFi ads for the final episode).
Has it been that long for you, Joel?
Since it's the older spelling, and it was hammered into my head when I was a theatre performance major, I can say that I usually end up typing it that way and not thinking of it. Now and then I'll go through what I typed and put it in the "er" spelling if I think whoever's reading it will be confused, but a lot of time I don't think of it. Joel probably did the same.
Hey guys, I looked up ILM films on Wiki and on there list of upcoming movies they had Jurassic Park 4 and something simply titled Star Wars (television)?
Yes, Lucas wants to do stories set in the Star Wars universe for TV only featuring characters we've not met before and events that are taking place at the same time as the events in the film but not really connected to them.
At least that's what he was saying a few months ago.
How is Lucas not on drugs?
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on November 09, 2007, 07:49:28 AM
Yes, Lucas wants to do stories set in the Star Wars universe for TV only featuring characters we've not met before and events that are taking place at the same time as the events in the film but not really connected to them.
At least that's what he was saying a few months ago.
Sounds like it could be a good idea, as long as Lucas has no creative control in it. ;)
Exactly because after a while the old instance to make the universe even more incestuous (in the nonsexual sense) will reassert itself and we'll discover that Grand Morf Tarkin's granddaughter is the mother of Lando's lovechild or something equally stupid.
The Starwars.com piece is up:
CLICKY CLICKY! (http://starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20071109/index.html)
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No freakin' way:
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg218.imageshack.us%2Fimg218%2F6613%2Fzardozhw2.jpg&hash=c3f416e3d714f205f9a92394a6ae49749c58f2c1) (http://imageshack.us)
-Rude
You think that is it? Or was Joel just using it as an example??
Also interesting to note that apparently Joel gets some green for MST still.
No questions about Rifftrax or the "new" MST3k... And they're licensing Zardoz for release on DVD? If it is, then that's pretty awesome.
I didn't see him say it was going to be the official release, but if so they'd be off to a damn good start.
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No, i don't think that the first Cinematic Titanic DVD project could be Zardoz. In fact, didn't it just recently get a new DVD release awhile ago? Anyway i just think that it's pretty funny that the guys from ILM and Joel will be sitting around watching and riffing on Zardoz... of all movies. Ha!
-Rude
You can now see the ILM/Lucas connection and that the actual film more than likely has nothing to do with Lucas..
Yeah, the Lucas connection does make a hell of a lot more sense now. I don't think that excludes Lucas or ILM related stuff from the realm of possibility, but I'm open for pretty much anything at this point.
I still don't understand why Starwars.com cares about CT. I mean it's nice they got the exposure but what prompted their interest?
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on November 09, 2007, 09:56:30 PM
I still don't understand why Starwars.com cares about CT. I mean it's nice they got the exposure but what prompted their interest?
IT said in the article that the people involved in the Flecks were Lucas people and they were giving Joel an award. The live show spawned from that.
Anybody else think it was weird that the interview just kinda stopped? I was looking for the link to the next page.. and nothing.
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2007, 10:16:01 PM
Anybody else think it was weird that the interview just kinda stopped? I was looking for the link to the next page.. and nothing.
It did seem pretty abrupt. Maybe the next part of the conversation actually dealt with specifics about the first release or something, so they cut it to preserve the secret. Just a thought.
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2007, 10:16:01 PM
Anybody else think it was weird that the interview just kinda stopped? I was looking for the link to the next page.. and nothing.
Yeah I actually tried to increase the page count just to check! lol.
Where are people getting Zardoz as the CT film from? This is what he says.
QuoteThen, tonight -- the Flecks and I are going have some pizza, watch Sean Connery in Zardoz, and riff until the wee hours.
He's there to watch Zardox with the Flecks.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 10, 2007, 04:40:38 AM
It did seem pretty abrupt. Maybe the next part of the conversation actually dealt with specifics about the first release or something, so they cut it to preserve the secret. Just a thought.
Well the fact that they were talking about starwars instead of Joel, indicated that the interview was wrapping up, there was just no indication that the article was actually finished.
Quote from: BathTub on November 10, 2007, 04:52:22 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on November 10, 2007, 04:40:38 AM
It did seem pretty abrupt. Maybe the next part of the conversation actually dealt with specifics about the first release or something, so they cut it to preserve the secret. Just a thought.
Well the fact that they were talking about starwars instead of Joel, indicated that the interview was wrapping up, there was just no indication that the article was actually finished.
True, though I think if I were conducting the interview I'd want to end on a point about the actual project to better create interest. That's just me though, their interviewer might just really have wanted to end on Star Wars.
Joel seems to have had a pretty interesting/blessed career in that he can seem to call his shots and do what he wants when he wants. Good for him.
I'm starting to wonder what Frank's been up to all these years.
Quote from: BathTubWhere are people getting Zardoz as the CT film from?
I don't think that anyone believes that
Zardoz will actually be the first Cinematic Titanic release. I just thought it was freakin' awesome that somewhere here in my town a buncha' guys are sitting around with Joel watching that horrible film! Sorry if the gigantic super-huge poster image threw you off or something.
-Rude
Oh, man, he doesn't even mention Mike and Kevin in there (which, admittedly, makes sense, since they aren't involved with CT.) Sounds like they won't be onstage with him to get the award.
Quote from: LadyKenobi on November 10, 2007, 04:03:25 PM
Oh, man, he doesn't even mention Mike and Kevin in there (which, admittedly, makes sense, since they aren't involved with CT.) Sounds like they won't be onstage with him to get the award.
That's okay, we'll give them our own award!
With blackjack and hookers! In fact forget the award!
I'm sorry! I am flabergasted! I am appalled! Where is the graciousness? MST3K simply won Emmy nominations and the Peabody award without Mike and Kevin? He is all humbleness - NOT! I hope he enjoys himself. If anything shows that there is some kind of "riff" between Mike and Joel, that interview said it all!
Note that Cinematic Titanic's movie riffing debut is scheduled on "The Day of Infamy"!
I will not resist if this project is good. Joel did create and start this whole wonderous thing. But my gosh, man! Extend an olive branch or something because accepting this award without your head writer is ridiculous!
First I'm disappointed in Dog. Now Joel? :'( What a week.
QuoteI'm starting to wonder what Frank's been up to all these years.
After Frank left mst3k he moved to LA and did some writing and tv specials, then got a job as a staff writer on Sabrina the Teenage Witch for 4 seasons, then did Invader ZIM, then some consulting for the Drew Carey Show, then some O2Be, then some Tom Green, and of course some Dark Star, and he has recently been doing Cartoon Dump, http://cartoonbrewfilms.com/?s=cartoon+dump&key=director&x=0&y=0, and now CT.
This concludes the abbreviated biography of
Frank Connriff: Post MST3K
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 10, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
I'm sorry! I am flabergasted! I am appalled! Where is the graciousness? MST3K simply won Emmy nominations and the Peabody award without Mike and Kevin? He is all humbleness - NOT! I hope he enjoys himself. If anything shows that there is some kind of "riff" between Mike and Joel, that interview said it all!
Note that Cinematic Titanic's movie riffing debut is scheduled on "The Day of Infamy"!
I will not resist if this project is good. Joel did create and start this whole wonderous thing. But my gosh, man! Extend an olive branch or something because accepting this award without your head writer is ridiculous!
First I'm disappointed in Dog. Now Joel? :'( What a week.
Woah now....it is hard for me to read that interview and not see Joel as anything other than a nice genuine guy who is appreciative of all the praise that MST3K has received. As for the award thing he clearly stated that it was going to be given to him alone (let's be honest it was probably just a way to get Joel to come to their corporate riffing party) but the timing coincided with CT so he decided to make it for all of them.
Also who is to say there is a rift between Kevin and Mike and Joel and the CT gang? I mean don't assume that just because they have started separate things that they hate each other? Rifftrax is Mike's thing, always has been and will be. It never seemed to me like there was ever going to be a large invitation to the old MST3K gang to participate FULLY in Rifftrax and the way I look at it CT is just a way for the rest of them to be apart of something on a full time basis. Now that is me making an assumption and I am probably wrong but whatever.
We can't necessarily equate "doesn't talk to very much" with "hates." I'm thinking things are perfectly genial between Mike and Joel since I haven't heard otherwise.
Why doesn't Joel ever mention Mike when talking about MST3K and the Emmy nominations and the Peabody? ???
Its like that Brady Bunch episode when Marcia helped the wallflower win a popularity contest, and then the girl took all the credit!
However things shake out, I'd like to see both parties put in a cameo appearance on one another's respective enterprises.
Puumagirl wont be happy until Joel gives Mike a nice, enthusiastic blowjob.
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 10, 2007, 06:42:55 PM
Puumagirl wont be happy until Joel gives Mike a nice, enthusiastic blowjob.
You win the award for most disgusting joke of the day.
That was a joke right?
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 10, 2007, 06:42:55 PM
Puumagirl wont be happy until Joel gives Mike a nice, enthusiastic blowjob.
Wow Smilin'. You really have reduced simple differences, and having friendly discussions about them, to trash. Can't come up with something a little more clever?
Trash nothing. Anyone who catches that on camera will be richer the Creesote! o.o
Joel's cool, experienced air, Mikes guy-next-door cuteness, it'd be the softcore hit of the century! 8)
(BTW, I know I'm going to spend some serious time in purgatory for that)
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 10, 2007, 06:42:55 PM
Puumagirl wont be happy until Joel gives Mike a nice, enthusiastic blowjob.
Dude. Rule 34. "If you can imagine it, there is porn of it on the internet." By imagining Joel/Mike porn, you've pretty much fated it to come into existence. I hope you're happy.
It exists. The existence of said material was the straw that broke this camel's back back in the ratmm days.
Ratmm?
Usenet group: rec.arts.mst3k.misc. It still exists and always sucked (IMHO, some people loved it) but when I accidentally clicked on something and read an intro about how "lonely" Joel and Mike got on the SOL, pretty much summed up newsgroups!
Bitching, whining and endless Joel vs Mike threads, fine. Pr0n? You're a sick bastard. I'm sure the general group thought the same. For the good of humanity, I hope the general group thought the same.
How the hell did we get here?
On second thought... never mind. I am off to take about a thousand showers.
Yeahhhh....so anyway there's this new Cinematic Titanic thingy. Let's talk about THAT!
Quote from: Puumagirl on November 10, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
I'm sorry! I am flabergasted! I am appalled! Where is the graciousness? MST3K simply won Emmy nominations and the Peabody award without Mike and Kevin? He is all humbleness - NOT! I hope he enjoys himself. If anything shows that there is some kind of "riff" between Mike and Joel, that interview said it all!
This is the quote directly from the article-
QuoteAbout a year later when we got Mystery Science Theater 3000 up and running, I was willing and ready to be the "on-camera" host, besides the thing was so weirdly from me -- I really was the only one to do it. Before we knew it MST was catching on -- it received lots of great press locally, and a really big fan club. Once on cable it got several Emmy nominations and eventually won the Peabody Award. We were having a ball, people were loving it, we were loving making it, and never got a single editorial note from the network. Quite simply it was the greatest job ever.
I don't see Joel saying "I" once and taking entire credit. In fact he said "we" a couple of times talking about the whole crew. It's not like he was giving an oscar acceptence speech. It's not like he thanked all the CT guys and didn't mention Mike and Kevin. I think you take things a little to seriously.
Quote from: Raven on November 10, 2007, 07:36:12 PM
[I think you take things a little to seriously.
That could be Raven, but I do appreciate the friendly differences.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 10, 2007, 07:14:56 PM
It exists. The existence of said material was the straw that broke this camel's back back in the ratmm days.
I thought the Free Fish Links were what doomed Ratmm.
I remember free fish links. That takes me back. Overall, usenet was pretty useless. None f the groups I subscribed too were worth much.
As for Joel, if I were promoting a new project, it would be smart not to mention the other guy doing it. That's kinda the reporter's job. While I will admit that some of the language on his announcement makes me want to smack him (like how Josh defined Servo as a "A verbose, husky, baritone showboat.," I kinda think that was someone else ), I also think it's best to promote yourself instead of someone else.
I don't think it means he has anything personal against them. I don't see any links to Cinematic Titanic here either.
Sorry everyone. I just wanted to make a post that was as absurd as Puumagirl's. It was funny in my head, but really inappropriate.
But seriously, she really needs to calm down about Joel taking all the credit, when he is doing nothing of the sort. AmandaGal has it right: Why would Joel mention (and therefore promote) a competing project?
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 10, 2007, 07:56:33 PM
I don't see any links to Cinematic Titanic here either.
They link to it in the third paragraph in the article.
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 10, 2007, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 10, 2007, 07:56:33 PM
I don't see any links to Cinematic Titanic here either.
They link to it in the third paragraph in the article.
I think she ment
here as in www.rifftrax.com.
Oh and I thought your comment was funny too. No apologies necessary. Love the Die Hard avatar by the way.
Look, I don't know nothing from nothing, but it kinda feels that the silence between each camp regarding the other is awkward, to say the least. My consporacy theory du jour: With the exception of Mary Jo, it seems like everyone who left the show before it crossed over to Sci fi went on record as saying they're done with the riffing and the robots and the watching of the movies for the money. So, when Mike started up Rifftrax, he didn't ask those people to join him as a guest or a regular, honoring their decision to be done with riffing. Now, those people who haven't been a part of Mike's reindeer games feel slighted, even though they gave up on riffing themselves.
On top of this, mayhbe, just maybe, Joel feels slighted by Mike for even having a business that involves riffing. Because were it not for Joel inventing MST3K, who knows if Mike would even have this opportunity? One could argue over whether or not RT is a spinoff of MST3K and as such Joel deserves credit (if not an actual credit as a co-creator), but if this were a feeling Joel had, it might also explain why there's awkward silence between the two camps.
Quote from: yanni576 on November 10, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
QuoteI'm starting to wonder what Frank's been up to all these years.
After Frank left mst3k he moved to LA and did some writing and tv specials, then got a job as a staff writer on Sabrina the Teenage Witch for 4 seasons, then did Invader ZIM, then some consulting for the Drew Carey Show, then some O2Be, then some Tom Green, and of course some Dark Star, and he has recently been doing Cartoon Dump, http://cartoonbrewfilms.com/?s=cartoon+dump&key=director&x=0&y=0, and now CT.
This concludes the abbreviated biography of Frank Connriff: Post MST3K
He's done some stand up, and a quite a few appearances on The Radio Adventures of Dr Floyd (http://www.doctorfloyd.com/), in fact he's played the most characters of any of the guests.
Quote from: whoopdefndo on November 10, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
Look, I don't know nothing from nothing, but it kinda feels that the silence between each camp regarding the other is awkward, to say the least. My consporacy theory du jour: With the exception of Mary Jo, it seems like everyone who left the show before it crossed over to Sci fi went on record as saying they're done with the riffing and the robots and the watching of the movies for the money. So, when Mike started up Rifftrax, he didn't ask those people to join him as a guest or a regular, honoring their decision to be done with riffing. Now, those people who haven't been a part of Mike's reindeer games feel slighted, even though they gave up on riffing themselves.
On top of this, mayhbe, just maybe, Joel feels slighted by Mike for even having a business that involves riffing. Because were it not for Joel inventing MST3K, who knows if Mike would even have this opportunity? One could argue over whether or not RT is a spinoff of MST3K and as such Joel deserves credit (if not an actual credit as a co-creator), but if this were a feeling Joel had, it might also explain why there's awkward silence between the two camps.
Anyone else notice this.
From the Rifftrax FAQ
QuoteQ: Now that Neil Patrick Harris and Fred Willard have appeared as Guest Riffers, are other celebrity guests on the way?
You bet! We can't tell you who, because it's top secret. But more celebrity Guest Riffers are in the works as we speak. Stay tuned.
Yesterday when I looked at that same FAQ it was followed by the question.
Q: Joel?
See above.
Today that question is gone.
Quote from: whoopdefndo on November 10, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
Look, I don't know nothing from nothing, but it kinda feels that the silence between each camp regarding the other is awkward, to say the least. My consporacy theory du jour: With the exception of Mary Jo, it seems like everyone who left the show before it crossed over to Sci fi went on record as saying they're done with the riffing and the robots and the watching of the movies for the money. So, when Mike started up Rifftrax, he didn't ask those people to join him as a guest or a regular, honoring their decision to be done with riffing. Now, those people who haven't been a part of Mike's reindeer games feel slighted, even though they gave up on riffing themselves.
On top of this, mayhbe, just maybe, Joel feels slighted by Mike for even having a business that involves riffing. Because were it not for Joel inventing MST3K, who knows if Mike would even have this opportunity? One could argue over whether or not RT is a spinoff of MST3K and as such Joel deserves credit (if not an actual credit as a co-creator), but if this were a feeling Joel had, it might also explain why there's awkward silence between the two camps.
meh, Joel was just WAY ahead of the curve ... DVD commentary was inevitable, talking to movies is mainstream at this point ... mst is just that for people that like to laugh. Other TV examples include Blind Date and the Soup.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 11, 2007, 03:59:05 AM
Yesterday when I looked at that same FAQ it was followed by the question.
Q: Joel?
See above.
Today that question is gone.
Typo or Conspiracy Theory ... vote now ;D
Or one of the clever mods' idea of a surreptitious yet browbeating hint, which they are known to drop from time to time. :)
Probably one of those things we call a "mistake."
Is ILM producing Cinematic Titanic?
Unlikely I think the only connection is Joel's connection to The Flecks.
I was cleaning up the FAQ and whatever question that was posted as a "follow up" to had been changed, moved or deleted, so it no longer made sense and I got rid of it.
Quote from: Fuzzy Necromancer on November 10, 2007, 06:41:44 PM
However things shake out, I'd like to see both parties put in a cameo appearance on one another's respective enterprises.
Ditto.
From I'm seeing, it sounds like alot of fans are holding out hope that the two (Joel and Mike) will be able to at least acknowledge each others projects for what they are and continue to work together in some manner.
At the same time.. all of this is beginning to sound like a giant lame "Dude! We should totally get the band back together! Rock out like the old times.." kinda discussion.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 11, 2007, 03:59:05 AMAnyone else notice this.
From the Rifftrax FAQ
QuoteQ: Now that Neil Patrick Harris and Fred Willard have appeared as Guest Riffers, are other celebrity guests on the way?
You bet! We can't tell you who, because it's top secret. But more celebrity Guest Riffers are in the works as we speak. Stay tuned.
Yesterday when I looked at that same FAQ it was followed by the question.
Q: Joel?
See above.
Today that question is gone.
Bigger question. Who reads the FAQ daily? LOL
Quote from: Raven on November 11, 2007, 03:57:49 PM
Quote from: RoninFox on November 11, 2007, 03:59:05 AMAnyone else notice this.
From the Rifftrax FAQ
QuoteQ: Now that Neil Patrick Harris and Fred Willard have appeared as Guest Riffers, are other celebrity guests on the way?
You bet! We can't tell you who, because it's top secret. But more celebrity Guest Riffers are in the works as we speak. Stay tuned.
Yesterday when I looked at that same FAQ it was followed by the question.
Q: Joel?
See above.
Today that question is gone.
Bigger question. Who reads the FAQ daily? LOL
What? I get confused sometimes and need to check on a thing or two every 24 hours. :D
Actually I was looking at the FAQ to copy and paste the "guest riffer" question AND the "Joel" question as a potential sign that cross-riffing was possible, then from there noticed the second question's absence.
Quote from: Rude on November 10, 2007, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: BathTubWhere are people getting Zardoz as the CT film from?
I don't think that anyone believes that Zardoz will actually be the first Cinematic Titanic release.
"It's a studio version of the live show packed with cool bonus features, so save your juice money."
Seems like it will be to me?
Zardoz was the film that The Flecks were showing last month when Joel swung by to collect his award for 20 years of riffing. The Cinematic Titanic performance isn't until next month.
Ah. My bad! Thanks.
I'm a first time poster, but I've been an MST3K fan since back during the Comedy Central days. Not the oldest, but old enough :P Anyway, I just wanted to chime in here on a prevailing thought that some seem to have in regards to Joel's new project. A lot think that Joel and the CT gang were waiting for Mike to test the waters and see if this would be a viable market. I would say there is a significant flaw to that reasoning.
CT has the rights now to 12 movies. That sort of thing doesn't happen over night nor on a whim. Even if they are bad movies it had to be costly. Then there's the fact that they probably had to spend a significant amount of time just getting the people together and all on the same page, figuring out what specifically they wanted to do with the movies, then writing the scripts themselves, etc.
No, this project has been in the works for some time now. I would say at LEAST a year, which would put it right around the time when Mike first started Rifftrax here (though I'm not certain of this as I only first came across Rifftrax about 4 or 5 months ago, but it appears that it's a little over a year old. Please feel free to correct me on this if I am way off).
All that aside, I'm very happy to see Joel and the old gang getting back together (though Kevin M. will always be Tom Servo to me as well), and I hope that what ever tensions may exist between Joel and Mike (if any at all) they are resolved. I'd love to see a good, friendly relationship between the two groups.
That's my .02 anyway. :D
I don't think there's active animosity between Mike and Joel, and agree that there's enough room for everybody.
Quote
I would say at LEAST a year, which would put it right around the time when Mike first started Rifftrax here (though I'm not certain of this as I only first came across Rifftrax about 4 or 5 months ago, but it appears that it's a little over a year old. Please feel free to correct me on this if I am way off).
Applying the same logic, Rifftrax didn't drop out of the sky, either. There was a company to set up, software to test, legalities to check into, etc. I think the timelines are close, though.
Also, for all we know, some or most of CT's movies might be public domain.
Not to mention that The Film Crew dvds, and Mike's Legend stuff predates Rifftrax too.
Not that I'm anti CT, just saying we don't have any facts on who started what when or with what knowledge.
As of a few months ago Trace was "No, no more riffing for me...."
As of 2 days ago they were writing the first one.
So yeah....
besides who really gives a good crap? Who cares who did what first. We have Rifftrax AND we have Cinematic Titanic !!
Quote from: MrTorso on November 12, 2007, 06:28:38 PM
besides who really gives a good crap? Who cares who did what first. We have Rifftrax AND we have Cinematic Titanic !!
I second this.
Quote from: BathTub on November 12, 2007, 06:25:29 PM
As of a few months ago Trace was "No, no more riffing for me...."
As of 2 days ago they were writing the first one.
So yeah....
Actually, I believe that quote was from last May, but either way it could have been a smoke screen. Also, if the movies were public domain, they would not have had to worry about licensing them. And as to Mike's other projects before Rifftrax, we could keep going back to MST3K if we want to do that, but I believe the argument others were making was in direct relation to Rifftrax, as that has arguably been his biggest (and riskiest) project yet.
Ultimately though, I was simply pointing out that the argument others were making does not hold much water, and my main point is that we have no real idea as to the timelines of either of them. I was simply trying to state that this project did not just start a few days ago, and has probably been in the works at least a year. I love the fact that they are doing this and can't wait for CT to release the first movie!
We all hated it, I wouldn't bother if I was you.
Yeah, save your dimes for phone calls or newsies or whatever dimes are for.
Quote from: Imrahil on November 12, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
Great! :) I'll let you (and others) test-pilot the program before I spend dime one on it.
I kinda agree with this ... I'll buy the first release but beyond that I'm not committing to anything. I loved the Mary Jo Rifftrax and was an occasional fan back in the Joel days so I'm leaning toward buying every Cinematic but pricing and quality are still factors at this point.
Quote from: eqfan592 on November 12, 2007, 05:56:55 PM
I'm a first time poster, but I've been an MST3K fan since back during the Comedy Central days. Not the oldest, but old enough :P Anyway, I just wanted to chime in here on a prevailing thought that some seem to have in regards to Joel's new project. A lot think that Joel and the CT gang were waiting for Mike to test the waters and see if this would be a viable market. I would say there is a significant flaw to that reasoning.
CT has the rights now to 12 movies. That sort of thing doesn't happen over night nor on a whim. Even if they are bad movies it had to be costly. Then there's the fact that they probably had to spend a significant amount of time just getting the people together and all on the same page, figuring out what specifically they wanted to do with the movies, then writing the scripts themselves, etc.
No, this project has been in the works for some time now. I would say at LEAST a year, which would put it right around the time when Mike first started Rifftrax here (though I'm not certain of this as I only first came across Rifftrax about 4 or 5 months ago, but it appears that it's a little over a year old. Please feel free to correct me on this if I am way off).
All that aside, I'm very happy to see Joel and the old gang getting back together (though Kevin M. will always be Tom Servo to me as well), and I hope that what ever tensions may exist between Joel and Mike (if any at all) they are resolved. I'd love to see a good, friendly relationship between the two groups.
That's my .02 anyway. :D
Hi there. By your own logic, you're neglecting the fact that Mike and the gang would have needed time to set up their own idea, as well. RiffTrax was in the works before CT was. Companies and products take time to put together, even if you are not getting a licence to own the rights to the movies. Also remember that the Film Crew project was put together well before RiffTrax as well, and there were several Mike Nelson commentary tracks put together for Legend Films releases of classic movies as well.
I'm not necessarily saying that others were waiting to see Mike "test the waters," I'm just pointing out that your supposed "flaw" in the logic of those who
are saying that is, in and of itself, flawed as well. Personally, the only thing that makes
me feel uncomfortable about the whole CT thing is that
several of them have said in the past that they were done riffing, and they had no interest in it anymore... and now (apparently) suddenly, comparably speaking, they are all back together again and excited about riffing again... that kind of coincidence has the potential to leave some people with a bad taste in their mouths, because of the seeming hypocrisy of the past statements compared against the current behaviour.
I'm still gonna give them a chance (if the price isn't preventative), I'm just saying... call a spade a spade. And in that spirit, leaving Joel and crew aside for a moment, I'd just like to once again say that Jim Mallon is TOTALLY trying to capatalize on the popularity of RiffTrax. :P
Joel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT. So at least the two of them were hooked up and riffing.
What really gobsmacks me is the addition of Josh. Man, that really seemed to come out of nowhere, but kudos to Joel for managing to pull together so many of the Brains, no matter how he did it.
Whats with people being upset that the some of the CT crew changed their minds about riffing movies? I mean who cares? People have change of hearts all of the time, besides it was probably for the best to deny and shoot down stuff so fans wouldn't get there hopes up.
Also how many of you on here have been BEGGING for Joel, Trace, Frank to come back in some form? Enough with the complaining people! These are good times for us!
Quote from: LadyKenobi on November 12, 2007, 08:20:01 PM
Joel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT. So at least the two of them were hooked up and riffing.
What really gobsmacks me is the addition of Josh. Man, that really seemed to come out of nowhere, but kudos to Joel for managing to pull together so many of the Brains, no matter how he did it.
Well the fact it is it was probably a natural thing to bring Josh back for this project considering he got Trace the gig at AFHV or whatever its called. And when you think about it....and I don't want to degrade what they were doing but all Josh and Trace were really doing was riffing on bad home made movies.....never really left the whole riffing thing if you want to get technical about it.
Quote from: Chaos on November 12, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: eqfan592 on November 12, 2007, 05:56:55 PM
I'm a first time poster, but I've been an MST3K fan since back during the Comedy Central days. Not the oldest, but old enough :P Anyway, I just wanted to chime in here on a prevailing thought that some seem to have in regards to Joel's new project. A lot think that Joel and the CT gang were waiting for Mike to test the waters and see if this would be a viable market. I would say there is a significant flaw to that reasoning.
CT has the rights now to 12 movies. That sort of thing doesn't happen over night nor on a whim. Even if they are bad movies it had to be costly. Then there's the fact that they probably had to spend a significant amount of time just getting the people together and all on the same page, figuring out what specifically they wanted to do with the movies, then writing the scripts themselves, etc.
No, this project has been in the works for some time now. I would say at LEAST a year, which would put it right around the time when Mike first started Rifftrax here (though I'm not certain of this as I only first came across Rifftrax about 4 or 5 months ago, but it appears that it's a little over a year old. Please feel free to correct me on this if I am way off).
All that aside, I'm very happy to see Joel and the old gang getting back together (though Kevin M. will always be Tom Servo to me as well), and I hope that what ever tensions may exist between Joel and Mike (if any at all) they are resolved. I'd love to see a good, friendly relationship between the two groups.
That's my .02 anyway. :D
Hi there. By your own logic, you're neglecting the fact that Mike and the gang would have needed time to set up their own idea, as well. RiffTrax was in the works before CT was. Companies and products take time to put together, even if you are not getting a licence to own the rights to the movies. Also remember that the Film Crew project was put together well before RiffTrax as well, and there were several Mike Nelson commentary tracks put together for Legend Films releases of classic movies as well.
I'm not necessarily saying that others were waiting to see Mike "test the waters," I'm just pointing out that your supposed "flaw" in the logic of those who are saying that is, in and of itself, flawed as well. Personally, the only thing that makes me feel uncomfortable about the whole CT thing is that several of them have said in the past that they were done riffing, and they had no interest in it anymore... and now (apparently) suddenly, comparably speaking, they are all back together again and excited about riffing again... that kind of coincidence has the potential to leave some people with a bad taste in their mouths, because of the seeming hypocrisy of the past statements compared against the current behaviour.
I'm still gonna give them a chance (if the price isn't preventative), I'm just saying... call a spade a spade. And in that spirit, leaving Joel and crew aside for a moment, I'd just like to once again say that Jim Mallon is TOTALLY trying to capatalize on the popularity of RiffTrax. :P
Ok, let me try and make this clear. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEN RIFFTRAX WAS IN THE WORKS! The idea that was being passed around was that Joel was letting Mike test the waters. This can only hold true if work on CT didn't begin until well after Rifftrax got under way and was a success. The development phase of Rifftrax and the previous projects of Mike have nothing to do with it at all. I'm simply saying that work on CT likely started around the same time as when Rifftrax launched, and if that's the case then there was no "waiting for Mike to test the waters" about it. Rifftrax could have been in the works for 10 years and it wouldn't make a difference in the reasoning, the key points are when Rifftrax launched and when work on CT started.
Now I think we can move on from this.
Unless of course they heard Mike was doing it before Rifftrax actually launched, or, like I said SOME or MOST of the films are public domain, in which case perhaps getting liscenses was a much smaller task than it would seem.
But ultimately, WHO CARES?!
There are too many what ifs for anyone to act like they know either way for sure, so let's drop it, ok?
Well I can't speak for everybody but I was watching some of the Legend stuff before Rifftrax started ... Mike has been much more visible than Joel ... checking the mst3k.com site (the 'old one' ;) ) was little more than a place to find the latest Mike Nelson news / commentaries.
Just sayin.
Saucy: who said I was complaining? I was just pointing out some stuff.
eqfan592: dude... take a pill. Holy. :)
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on November 12, 2007, 08:37:12 PM
Unless of course they heard Mike was doing it before Rifftrax actually launched, or, like I said SOME or MOST of the films are public domain, in which case perhaps getting liscenses was a much smaller task than it would seem.
But ultimately, WHO CARES?!
There are too many what ifs for anyone to act like they know either way for sure, so let's drop it, ok?
If they decided to do it after simply hearing about Rifftrax before it launched then they weren't waiting for Rifftrax to test the water as I was arguing against and would be a totally different issue, one that I was not arguing against. And even if the are mostly public domain films it would still take a not insignificant amount of time to get something together and ready to release by this December.
And as for "taking a pill" you are correct. Sorry I snapped like that, I was just having a shity day at work (which is where I was posting from) and let some of that get into my post. Sorry about that man.
I really wish we could all stop talking about things we don't really know anything about.
Thus I am now excusing myself from this discussion.
Quote from: LadyKenobi on November 12, 2007, 08:20:01 PM
Joel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT. So at least the two of them were hooked up and riffing.
What really gobsmacks me is the addition of Josh. Man, that really seemed to come out of nowhere, but kudos to Joel for managing to pull together so many of the Brains, no matter how he did it.
Yeah I didn't find it surprising since Trace and Josh have worked together for years at AFV, and they all did Star Wait together. I haven't seen Star Wait yet, but I think it was Tarantulas who said that Josh stood out on on that.
I haven't seen anything of Josh outside of old MST, so I'm really curious what he'll be like here. I was never a fan of his voices, either the extra low voice he used to Servo or the extra high one he used for Dr Erhardt. I don't think I'd even recognize his "real" voice. Hopefully it makes for good riffing today though.
QuoteA lot think that Joel and the CT gang were waiting for Mike to test the waters and see if this would be a viable market.
Overheard from CT headquarters a couple years ago: "Let Mikey try it! He'll try anything! Hey, he likes it! Give that sh*t back, Mikey, you hog. Hey, let's make him eat pop rocks and soda!"
Half an hour later...
"Oh, sh*t, man! We killed Mikey! We freakin' killed him!"
"We gotta call the cops!"
"You call the cops and I'll kill you too!"
Bicycle chase ensues.
Later, on a railroad bridge... ah forget it.
QuoteJoel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT.
Yeah, I think that was refering to their life sized X-Wing model.
Quote from: bratpop on November 13, 2007, 05:07:55 AM
QuoteJoel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT.
Yeah, I think that was refering to their life sized X-Wing model.
Classic. :D
Hahaha.
QuoteYeah, I think that was refering to their life sized X-Wing model.
"Frank, I'm going to have to kill you EXTRA-HARD this time!"
QuoteQuoteJoel did say in the SW interview that he and Frank were putting something together that fell apart before they did CT. So at least the two of them were hooked up and riffing.
What really gobsmacks me is the addition of Josh. Man, that really seemed to come out of nowhere, but kudos to Joel for managing to pull together so many of the Brains, no matter how he did it.
Yeah I didn't find it surprising since Trace and Josh have worked together for years at AFV, and they all did Star Wait together. I haven't seen Star Wait yet, but I think it was Tarantulas who said that Josh stood out on on that.
But outside of that, I think it's safe to say he's been pretty quiet where MST is concerned, especially because he left so early in the series. Beyond his association with Trace, he's been fairly invisible as far as the show itself. Probably most people outside of the most serious MSTies don't even know he was the original voice of Servo. So it took me aback (even though I knew of his role in the early series) and I think most people who are recent or casual MSTies are going to have no idea who he is (but what a great way for them to learn!) The more people who understand what riffing is all about aboard CT, the better :) Happy days for us. I'm looking forward to hearing him.
Well yeah that's basically what I was saying about Joel going on and on about "the original Tom Servo!", when in reality most people are just going "Josh Who?"
I'm happy to hear more from Weinstein. He's got a great normal voice, but his tom servo voice needed some work.
Quote from: Kzinistzerg on November 13, 2007, 03:27:49 PM
I'm happy to hear more from Weinstein. He's got a great normal voice, but his tom servo voice needed some work.
Everyone's voice needed work when they were nineteen. I'm happy to be hearing from him with a little more experience under his belt.
Who knows, he might be even huskier than Kevin by now.
Quote from: BathTub on November 13, 2007, 08:03:12 AM
Well yeah that's basically what I was saying about Joel going on and on about "the original Tom Servo!", when in reality most people are just going "Josh Who?"
You'd have to be a pretty casual fan to say "Josh Who?". I mean I know everyone is more familiar with Kevin's work, but people should have had plenty of time to get the backstory on MST3K.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on November 14, 2007, 12:29:31 PM
Quote from: BathTub on November 13, 2007, 08:03:12 AM
Well yeah that's basically what I was saying about Joel going on and on about "the original Tom Servo!", when in reality most people are just going "Josh Who?"
You'd have to be a pretty casual fan to say "Josh Who?". I mean I know everyone is more familiar with Kevin's work, but people should have had plenty of time to get the backstory on MST3K.
I'd imagine most people here'd be familiar with him and MST history, but there's bound to be some people who's only real exposure to the show is the Rhino releases. There's what, one episode released so far with Josh on it? "The Crawling Hand"?
I can't wait to see what CT does, but I think I'll always be a Rifftrax-man.
I am hoping for some crossover riffing.
Quote from: RoninFox on November 14, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
I'd imagine most people here'd be familiar with him and MST history, but there's bound to be some people who's only real exposure to the show is the Rhino releases. There's what, one episode released so far with Josh on it? "The Crawling Hand"?
And Women of the Prehistoric Planet.
Quote
I'd imagine most people here'd be familiar with him and MST history, but there's bound to be some people who's only real exposure to the show is the Rhino releases.
I tend to agree with this. Most people are casual about it-- the vast majority of people I meet are like, "Oh yeah, with the guys at the bottom of the screen! That was a funny show!" You're going to be somewhat hard-pressed to find most people who are that informed on the history of it all.
http://cinematictitanic.com/
Big update with format choices and an interview with Josh.
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 14, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: RoninFox on November 14, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
I'd imagine most people here'd be familiar with him and MST history, but there's bound to be some people who's only real exposure to the show is the Rhino releases. There's what, one episode released so far with Josh on it? "The Crawling Hand"?
And Women of the Prehistoric Planet.
Ah yes, forgot about that one because I've fallen asleep every time I try and watch it.
Not a critique of the episode, I just always pick bad times to try and watch it, when I'm nice and exhausted.
Quote from: BathTub on November 14, 2007, 11:56:33 PM
http://cinematictitanic.com/
Big update with format choices and an interview with Josh.
Interesting mention of Mike in there, hard to tell what tone he intended. My experience tells me anything in text comes off harsher than its supposed to and that it's likely a lighthearted joke.
I am pretty impressed with the format choices. The Ipod option is probably going to be the way I go. Fairly easy to DL it onto the video Ipod then use the audio video hook up for the ipod to put it on my tv. That is a handy option in my opinion.
Yeah, he praises Mike in the answer. He was making a joke.
Lots of good options for their movies. I will probably pick either DVD or downloadable to burn to DVD.
Looks like they have a "short" coming out for those who joined their mailing list. Too bad they have not actually sent out any e-mails yet......
Price will play a roll for me in which format I choose. Ideally, I would like a regular ol' DVD, but if the downloadable options are significantly cheaper, I'll probably go that way.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 15, 2007, 07:11:09 AM
I am pretty impressed with the format choices. The Ipod option is probably going to be the way I go. Fairly easy to DL it onto the video Ipod then use the audio video hook up for the ipod to put it on my tv. That is a handy option in my opinion.
It's iPod ;D
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 15, 2007, 08:40:05 AM
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 15, 2007, 07:11:09 AM
I am pretty impressed with the format choices. The Ipod option is probably going to be the way I go. Fairly easy to DL it onto the video Ipod then use the audio video hook up for the ipod to put it on my tv. That is a handy option in my opinion.
It's iPod ;D
It's whatever I want to call it.
Now it's known as "Saucy's TechnothingPod"
Deal.
Ok, that's fine, but can we shorten it to iPod?
...
I don't know why... but i've always been a sucker for packaging. It's half the reason that i collect toys, then never open the boxes. Anyway, if Cinematic Titanic offers actual, physical DVDs, that's going to be my choice. I'll have to scope out the whole downloadable burnable option, of course. But even if the first releases come in envelopes with nothing more than a CT sticker on them, i'll need to have it... It makes no sense, i know. But i can't help it, i'm a sucker.
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on November 15, 2007, 10:20:26 AM
...
I don't know why... but i've always been a sucker for packaging. It's half the reason that i collect toys, then never open the boxes. Anyway, if Cinematic Titanic offers actual, physical DVDs, that's going to be my choice. I'll have to scope out the whole downloadable burnable option, of course. But even if the first releases come in envelopes with nothing more than a CT sticker on them, i'll need to have it... It makes no sense, i know. But i can't help it, i'm a sucker.
-Rude
Pretty much the same way with me. That's why I buy all the movies Rifftrax puts out. I think the only one I've rented is Grey's Anatomy.
Edit: and I borrowed Eragon from someone.
I'm not sure if its been mentioned in this thread yet. But, I bet the download-DVD Burnable version is a DivX version.
I really can't see them offering a 4GB MPEG2 download-DVD Burnable version.
And of course, this means we will need a CT series of standard covers.
MST3K Covers Thinpak by Josh Way, CHECK
Several regular and thinkpak Rifftrax cover sets, CHECK
Film Crew Covers, CHECK
CT covers........ a need position!
Sure packaging is neat and all but it doesn't bother me that there is no packaging for a Rifftrax. Convienence is important and dlng a MP4 file will make things easier. Though I too am trying to figure out how they plan on doing this bandwith wise....
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 15, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
CT covers........ a need position!
True, but that might not be the kind of thing they want us to post 'round here. I assume CT will have some kind of forum, eventually.
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 15, 2007, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 15, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
CT covers........ a need position!
True, but that might not be the kind of thing they want us to post 'round here. I assume CT will have some kind of forum, eventually.
Ah, good point. Of course, i am sure that the forum cross over membership will be quite high.
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 15, 2007, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Smilin' Jack Ross on November 15, 2007, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 15, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
CT covers........ a need position!
True, but that might not be the kind of thing they want us to post 'round here. I assume CT will have some kind of forum, eventually.
Ah, good point. Of course, i am sure that the forum cross over membership will be quite high.
I have no doubt of that, but I'm not sure where I'll stand there. Right now this is the only forum I visit, and it takes up enough of my damn time. :P
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 15, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
And of course, this means we will need a CT series of standard covers.
MST3K Covers Thinpak by Josh Way, CHECK
Several regular and thinkpak Rifftrax cover sets, CHECK
Film Crew Covers, CHECK
CT covers........ a need position!
I think someone can do scans of the "real" dvd covers for everyone.
If they are going to provide divx files of the riff/movie, perhaps they will create their own covers as well.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 15, 2007, 02:58:46 PM
If they are going to provide divx files of the riff/movie, perhaps they will create their own covers as well.
Since they have said they will sell it in DVD format, I would imagine they would have some sort of cover. If not, time to get creative.
Quote from: gammer on November 15, 2007, 10:29:56 AM
I'm not sure if its been mentioned in this thread yet. But, I bet the download-DVD Burnable version is a DivX version.
I really can't see them offering a 4GB MPEG2 download-DVD Burnable version.
I've read through the post again, and I think you're wrong. I really think they intend to offer downloadable DVD iso files. They keep referring to them as home-fab'd DVD's, which to me means "plays on a DVD player" not "file that fits on a DVD".
BTW, it's occurred to me that Joel kinda looks like a basset hound anymore, and Josh looks like Tory from Mythbusters. Just an observation.
See, that's the weird thing about the downloadable option... it doesn't make sense.
Either:
1) it's a full DVD iso that can be directly burned with basically any burning software (Nero, XP's or Vista's built-in burning functionality, etc), but it's a huge 4 gig download - bad for us as consumers having to wait for it to download, bad for them as a business having so much bandwidth pouring down the pipe.
or
2) it's a DivX download that's roughly 700 megs, easy to download and easy on the bandwidth, but you actually have to have some computer knowledge and possibly custom software in order to get it onto a DVD (and if your software isn't good, you will get image quality degredation when you convert it).
Both options have some HUGE negatives, for both parties concerned.
I honestly can't say which I think would be better. In terms of which option it will BE, I would have to guess based on context and the other downloadable offering (iPod's MPEG-4 format, which is about halfway in between iso and avi formats in terms of physical size) that it is probably going to end up being the 4 gig iso format, ready to burn.
If I were them, I'd be very concerned about potential piracy, offering a downloadable version. Unless of course they intend to use DRM with the software, which would be even worse.
You don't have to make an iso 4 gig!
Speculation, while entertaining, is pretty useless at this point. We'll find out what they have in store eventually. I can wait.
Quote from: Bairman on November 15, 2007, 03:49:47 PM
Speculation, while entertaining, is pretty useless at this point. We'll find out what they have in store eventually. I can wait.
Boy, I don't think you know how
THIS forum works. :P
I do... but sometimes it's fun to point out the obvious. :D
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on November 15, 2007, 03:40:53 PM
You don't have to make an iso 4 gig!
Thanks for the "contribution." I know how an iso works. I work on computers for a living.
A full length DVD, ready to burn and configured as an iso, is 4.something gigs (usually 4.2 or 4.4 depending on format). I am fully aware that you can make iso files of basically any size, but if it's an iso of a full-length DVD, it will be 4 gigs. If it's less than 4 gigs, then it won't be DVD-format .vob files inside the iso, it'll be something else.
HTH. HAND.
Quote from: Chaos on November 15, 2007, 04:17:48 PM
A full length DVD, ready to burn and configured as an iso, is 4.something gigs (usually 4.2 or 4.4 depending on format). I am fully aware that you can make iso files of basically any size, but if it's an iso of a full-length DVD, it will be 4 gigs. If it's less than 4 gigs, then it won't be DVD-format .vob files inside the iso, it'll be something else.
Define what you mean by full length. I've made plenty of DVD ISOs that were less than 4 GB. The size of the ISO will vary with the actual amount of data on the disc. Come to think of it, I've made plenty that were over 4.35 GB as well, but of course they were dual layer DVDs.
Quote from: Bairman on November 15, 2007, 04:46:16 PM
Quote from: Chaos on November 15, 2007, 04:17:48 PM
A full length DVD, ready to burn and configured as an iso, is 4.something gigs (usually 4.2 or 4.4 depending on format). I am fully aware that you can make iso files of basically any size, but if it's an iso of a full-length DVD, it will be 4 gigs. If it's less than 4 gigs, then it won't be DVD-format .vob files inside the iso, it'll be something else.
Define what you mean by full length. I've made plenty of DVD ISOs that were less than 4 GB. The size of the ISO will vary with the actual amount of data on the disc.
Exactly what I was about to say, thank you!
There's NO reason for them to make the disks super high res given that they will be working with poor quality films etc probably.
I'm sure some of you are familiar with DAP. I don't know exactly how their p2p works compared to others, but it usually takes me less than 24 hours to get the dvds they put out. It's not as instantaneous as a zipped mp3, but when the alternative is to wait for a dvd to come in the mail, at a possibly higher price, maybe a big download is suitable.
Come on, I want to see my crap as clear as possible!
Seriously though, we'll just have to see. I'll judge whether I want the download or the DVD when I see the quality of the download and the difference in price. I'm guessing that's a main reason CT's giving away that free short, so we know what we'll be buying with the download
There are a few sites that offer down loadable DVD that are 3-4 gigs. The CT ones don't have to use the highest bit-rate and they could keep the gigs down. I got from Joel's post that there is a third party involved. They will probably facilitate the downloading and taking the bandwidth hit. The comment from Trace makes it sound like they will also have the covers and labels to download so we can print them at home also. I am also willing to say if you buy a physical DVD from them, we will probably get a DVD-R as well. I doubt they will be "pressed" DVDs. If they are not manufactured DVDs I will go the download route because it will be faster than waiting for snail-mail.
Quote from: the long undertow on November 15, 2007, 05:00:03 PM
I'm sure some of you are familiar with DAP. I don't know exactly how their p2p works compared to others, but it usually takes me less than 24 hours to get the dvds they put out. It's not as instantaneous as a zipped mp3, but when the alternative is to wait for a dvd to come in the mail, at a possibly higher price, maybe a big download is suitable.
P2P wouldn't be suitable as a distribution system for a commercial enterprise. The week of a release it might be possible to get it quickly, because there'd be lots of peers to download from. But what about months down the road when everyone has gotten theirs and jumped off? It has to be a direct download.system and not one dependent on the number of connected peers.
I can see a full size DVD download easily being possible. Servers and networks are capable of quite a lot. I regularly download ISO images from the servers at my company's home office in just a few hours time or less. As long as the network infrastructure can support it, it will work.
Of course, there's always the possibility of bandwidth throttling by your ISP, but there's nothing CT can do about that.
Quote from: MrTorso on November 15, 2007, 05:02:17 PM
I am also willing to say if you buy a physical DVD from them, we will probably get a DVD-R as well. I doubt they will be "pressed" DVDs. If they are not manufactured DVDs I will go the download route because it will be faster than waiting for snail-mail.
A very good point that hadn't even occurred to me. :clap:
I just hope that the price is right. $10-$15 for a full iso and covers and labels would be right up my alley.
That seems very fair to me, but they might have a hard time avoiding the pirating.
One thing Rifftrax does is keeps the cost really low that it's especially crummy and hard to justify the pirating.
I am pretty sure that the more expensive DVDs'll be popping up on bittorrent sites.
Hey guys,
We (as in us at Cinematic Titanic) are trying to keep the sizes reasonable while keeping the video quality decent. Trust me, it is going to be awesome. Check out the website for an update about distribution.
If you guys want to ask me any questions, feel free. I'd rather tell the truth than read through pages and pages and pages of speculation.
Quote from: MrTorso on November 15, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
I just hope that the price is right. $10-$15 for a full iso and covers and labels would be right up my alley.
I have a feeling you'll be a pretty happy camper. Wait till you see all we have in store.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:23:57 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on November 15, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
I just hope that the price is right. $10-$15 for a full iso and covers and labels would be right up my alley.
I have a feeling you'll be a pretty happy camper. Wait till you see all we have in store.
As long as you come out with betamax version, cuz if you dont. :angry: :angry:
Thanks for the update, good to see you online!
Wh-wh-wha? Answers (or at least in the direction toward answers) ? Awesome. Thanks for the heads up Mr`Death.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:21:29 AM
Hey guys,
We (as in us at Cinematic Titanic) are trying to keep the sizes reasonable while keeping the video quality decent. Trust me, it is going to be awesome. Check out the website for an update about distribution.
If you guys want to ask me any questions, feel free. I'd rather tell the truth than read through pages and pages and pages of speculation.
lol so how many DAP people are involved then?
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:23:57 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on November 15, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
I just hope that the price is right. $10-$15 for a full iso and covers and labels would be right up my alley.
I have a feeling you'll be a pretty happy camper. Wait till you see all we have in store.
Nice!
I really wish I could keep up with this thread.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:23:57 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on November 15, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
I just hope that the price is right. $10-$15 for a full iso and covers and labels would be right up my alley.
I have a feeling you'll be a pretty happy camper. Wait till you see all we have in store.
I do love camping!
Quote from: BathTub on November 16, 2007, 05:34:30 AM
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:21:29 AM
Hey guys,
We (as in us at Cinematic Titanic) are trying to keep the sizes reasonable while keeping the video quality decent. Trust me, it is going to be awesome. Check out the website for an update about distribution.
If you guys want to ask me any questions, feel free. I'd rather tell the truth than read through pages and pages and pages of speculation.
lol so how many DAP people are involved then?
Who said DAP was involved?
I hope they don't make us down load the CT movies using Edonkey......that would be horrible. Please god no.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 16, 2007, 08:05:39 AM
Who said DAP was involved?
Mr`Death happens to be involved with both.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 16, 2007, 08:05:39 AM
I hope they don't make us down load the CT movies using Edonkey......that would be horrible. Please god no.
Yeah I second that. I want to be able to use my browser and tell it where to save and go.
Quote from: MrTorso on November 16, 2007, 08:31:14 AM
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 16, 2007, 08:05:39 AM
I hope they don't make us down load the CT movies using Edonkey......that would be horrible. Please god no.
Yeah I second that. I want to be able to use my browser and tell it where to save and go.
For the love of God I really don't want to use Edonkey. To quote some people in the past "Edonkey make brain hurt" and I would agree.
There's no way it's freaking eDonkey. That just happens to be DAP's method because that's the way it's always been and they're too lazy to change it.
At least I think that's why.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 16, 2007, 08:05:39 AM
Quote from: BathTub on November 16, 2007, 05:34:30 AM
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:21:29 AM
Hey guys,
We (as in us at Cinematic Titanic) are trying to keep the sizes reasonable while keeping the video quality decent. Trust me, it is going to be awesome. Check out the website for an update about distribution.
If you guys want to ask me any questions, feel free. I'd rather tell the truth than read through pages and pages and pages of speculation.
lol so how many DAP people are involved then?
Who said DAP was involved?
I hope they don't make us down load the CT movies using Edonkey......that would be horrible. Please god no.
No one said the DAP was involved, Mr Death is just the second DAP regular I know involved with Cinematic Titanic.
Quote from: David on November 16, 2007, 08:44:07 AM
There's no way it's freaking eDonkey. That just happens to be DAP's method because that's the way it's always been and they're too lazy to change it.
At least I think that's why.
And can we have the needless DAP hate moved to another thread totally offtopic here.
Quote from: BathTub on November 16, 2007, 09:11:35 AM
Quote from: David on November 16, 2007, 08:44:07 AM
There's no way it's freaking eDonkey. That just happens to be DAP's method because that's the way it's always been and they're too lazy to change it.
At least I think that's why.
And can we have the needless DAP hate moved to another thread totally offtopic here.
Whats off topic about it? Were just discussing the possible methods of downloading....also who is the other DAP member involved with this?
Off-topic? At the Rifftrax Roundtable? Never!
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 03:21:29 AM
Hey guys,
We (as in us at Cinematic Titanic) are trying to keep the sizes reasonable while keeping the video quality decent. Trust me, it is going to be awesome. Check out the website for an update about distribution.
If you guys want to ask me any questions, feel free. I'd rather tell the truth than read through pages and pages and pages of speculation.
Since no one else seems to want to ask questions, I will. Feel free to hedge or hint where the answers are secret and/or still undetermined.
1) Specific format and size?
2) Direct downloads, P2P, streaming, actual pressed DVDs, or all of the above?
3) Price range?
4) Name of film? Okay, I acknowledge you're not going to answer that one, even if you know. How about some hints about genre and original release date? Have I heard of any of the actors involved?
Since everyone's got their own speculation, I've got mine.
DVD downloads will be ISO files for easy burning. Several freeware programs handle the ISO format in addition to almost all paid burner programs. The DVD's will be 3-3.5 gigs in size, approximately the size of a MST3K Rhino release. They will cost about $10-$15 each. Downloads will be handled by direct download. BitTorrent is definately possible, and would be a wise cost cutting procedure. Archival would be very possible, the distributor would merely have to assign their high end servers as seeders, thus maintaining user throughput even with low seeder and leecher count. I believe this is similar to what Blizzard does with WoW updates.
Printed DVD's will be professionally made and will cost about $20-$25. They might be available in stores eventually, depending on demand and distributor, but will be available online only at first.
That's all my guesstimation and speculation for now. I suppose we'll all know for sure in less than a month.
Quote from: BathTub on November 16, 2007, 05:34:30 AM
lol so how many DAP people are involved then?
It's just me and the other guy, BathTub.
Guys, this is not DAP related AT ALL. Downloads will not be offered through eDonkey, DAP is not affiliated with this in any way. I just happen to be a DAP regular.
I met Joel out here several months ago in LA, and we became friends. Joel got me involved with the project because of my connection to the MST fanbase, but now I'm a writer and publicist for the project. I enlisted the other DAP member for help building the website because I'm not terribly well versed in that junk. I chose a DAP member because I knew he'd be excited about the project, and I've known the guy for a long time, so I knew he'd do good work.
No matter what the final details are, you can't be anything less than impressed and optimistic about this. Sounds like they're aiming to please just about everybody.
Quote from: skenderberg on November 16, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Since no one else seems to want to ask questions, I will. Feel free to hedge or hint where the answers are secret and/or still undetermined.
1) Specific format and size?
2) Direct downloads, P2P, streaming, actual pressed DVDs, or all of the above?
3) Price range?
4) Name of film? Okay, I acknowledge you're not going to answer that one, even if you know. How about some hints about genre and original release date? Have I heard of any of the actors involved?
I can't get too into the details, as things aren't 100% hammered out yet. But check the website, because the most recent update talks about the methods we're probably going to offer. It's all through a distributor site. I think we want to do just download & stream, but pressed DVDs are a possibility. As for price, the speculation of $10-$15 is about right. We haven't settled yet 100% on that either, but I don't think it'll be more than $15.
I can't give the name of the film, nor can I give any hints as to what it is. But, it is a total MST3K type movie -- really bad but really awesome at the same time. I firmly believe this project and Rifftrax will peacefully coexist, as we're doing totally different types of movies. There's no reason for everyone who loves Rifftrax to also get hooked up with CT. We're all big fans of Mike & Kevin & Bill, et al, and we're not looking to take away any of their business -- we're thrilled with their success and wish them nothing but continued success. I am a Rifftrax fan for sure!
Heh, looking back it's pretty funny that someone said "DAP" and then everyone else said "eDonkey! NOOOOOOOO!!!". Sorry for hopping into the jumping-to-conclusions bandwagon. This thread is overflowing with speculation.
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on November 16, 2007, 01:06:39 PM
Heh, looking back it's pretty funny that someone said "DAP" and then everyone else said "eDonkey! NOOOOOOOO!!!". Sorry for hopping into the jumping-to-conclusions bandwagon. This thread is overflowing with speculation.
Yeah, our distribution method will, to paraphrase Winamp, really whip the eDonkey's ass.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 01:10:09 PM
Yeah, our distribution method will, to paraphrase Winamp, really whip the eDonkey's ass.
Which, in turn, paraphrases the immortal Wesley Willis.
But of course! Mr. Willis certainly isn't dead in my heart. I really relate, as my mother does smoke crack rocks*.
* not really, but it'd be cool if she did.
I'd be curious to know what everyone over at CT thinks about the whole piracy thing, considering they are working with members of the DAP. Certainly, DAP's original intentions were pure, and encouraged during the time when it was taped TV shows or nothing, but now that Rhino has many of the episodes available, the existence of DAP (for those episodes at least) becomes more questionable.
Please note, I am not trying to insinuate anything, nor am I trying to insult any of the people over at DAP... I'm just genuinely curious if those types of conversations have come up and what the overall thought process is about piracy etc over at CT.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 01:04:41 PM
Quote from: skenderberg on November 16, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Since no one else seems to want to ask questions, I will. Feel free to hedge or hint where the answers are secret and/or still undetermined.
1) Specific format and size?
2) Direct downloads, P2P, streaming, actual pressed DVDs, or all of the above?
3) Price range?
4) Name of film? Okay, I acknowledge you're not going to answer that one, even if you know. How about some hints about genre and original release date? Have I heard of any of the actors involved?
I can't get too into the details, as things aren't 100% hammered out yet. But check the website, because the most recent update talks about the methods we're probably going to offer. It's all through a distributor site. I think we want to do just download & stream, but pressed DVDs are a possibility. As for price, the speculation of $10-$15 is about right. We haven't settled yet 100% on that either, but I don't think it'll be more than $15.
I can't give the name of the film, nor can I give any hints as to what it is. But, it is a total MST3K type movie -- really bad but really awesome at the same time. I firmly believe this project and Rifftrax will peacefully coexist, as we're doing totally different types of movies. There's no reason for everyone who loves Rifftrax to also get hooked up with CT. We're all big fans of Mike & Kevin & Bill, et al, and we're not looking to take away any of their business -- we're thrilled with their success and wish them nothing but continued success. I am a Rifftrax fan for sure!
Thanks for answering the questions.....just a thought but pressed dvd's imo is a must. Most people will probably want it that way. Or even if they are just dvd r's who cares. But people like the packaging the dvd, etc. Personally I want and like the MPG4 option for dling it onto a iPod video and playing it that way......hope you guys don't scrap that option.
Quote from: Chaos on November 16, 2007, 01:33:09 PM
but now that Rhino has many of the episodes available, the existence of DAP (for those episodes at least) becomes more questionable.
The episodes that Rhino releases get pulled from DAP.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on November 16, 2007, 01:33:30 PM
Thanks for answering the questions.....just a thought but pressed dvd's imo is a must. Most people will probably want it that way. Or even if they are just dvd r's who cares. But people like the packaging the dvd, etc.
I agree. I reauthor all my rifftrax through a home burner, and I don't use sharecrow or any other programs. I'd much rather have a disk with the cover art from you guys and I'd be willing to pay more than the downloadible versions. I don't think I'll be buying them in another format.
I wouldn't mind paying a little more for an actual DVD or DVD-R if they were made available by Cinematic Titanic. And it's not just because my internet connection sucks. Even if I download it, I would still prefer to watch the riffed movie on my tv than on my computer.
Quote from: MikeKz on November 16, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Even if I download it, I would still prefer to watch the riffed movie on my tv than on my computer.
They are going to be downloadable DVDs that you burn yourself and then watch on your system of choice...
I personally would rather have an actual DVD as well, but mostly because none of the computers in my house has a DVD burner.
Unless the physical DVDs were of a noticeable higher quality that what I'd be downloading and burning, then I'll probably be downloading each time actually. No shipping costs and/or searching through stores, I'd be able to get it as soon as it's available (barring internet screw-ups) and as the recent CT update said "Burning, labeling, and packaging disks at home is something, as Trace says, "Fits our do-it-yourself-aesthetic beautifully". "
Rifftrax has already pulled me into doing things like this to the point where I kind of associate burning DVDs with riffing, and I actually love looking through the alternate DVD labels and covers other people make with the option of making my own. That's just my take though.
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but soon the Xbox 360 is going to support divx files so you could conceivably watch the CT riff file through your 360 and thus, on your tv without burning it to disc. Or you could always convert the file to a format that microsoft does allow now, like .mp4 or .wmv etc...
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 16, 2007, 03:06:31 PM
I personally would rather have an actual DVD as well, but mostly because none of the computers in my house has a DVD burner.
$30 can easily fix that......
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 16, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but soon the Xbox 360 is going to support divx files so you could conceivably watch the CT riff file through your 360 and thus, on your tv without burning it to disc. Or you could always convert the file to a format that microsoft does allow like .mp4 or .wmv etc...
Oh that is just sweet.
Quote from: Chaos on November 16, 2007, 01:33:09 PM
I'd be curious to know what everyone over at CT thinks about the whole piracy thing, considering they are working with members of the DAP. Certainly, DAP's original intentions were pure, and encouraged during the time when it was taped TV shows or nothing, but now that Rhino has many of the episodes available, the existence of DAP (for those episodes at least) becomes more questionable.
Please note, I am not trying to insinuate anything, nor am I trying to insult any of the people over at DAP... I'm just genuinely curious if those types of conversations have come up and what the overall thought process is about piracy etc over at CT.
As already mentioned, the DAP doesn't offer any of the episodes that are available on DVD. What's more, most DAP people happily pay for the DVDs. At CT, we realize piracy is always going to occur. It happens with everything. As long as we hit sales numbers we're happy with (some of us have, like, no money right now. So some money for the hard work would rule) it's all well and good.
So, we get to be our own middle-man.
Quote from: MikeKz on November 16, 2007, 07:01:38 PM
So, we get to be our own middle-man.
Pretty much! Straight from Joel & the gang to the fans.
One question--- is there a standard website or is it just that little blog thing?
Quote from: Kzinistzerg on November 16, 2007, 07:40:09 PM
One question--- is there a standard website or is it just that little blog thing?
Right now, that's what it is. The site should fully launch on the 10th, when the first episode will be available. It will feature a lot more, including blogs from the other 4 big people involved and some other cool stuff.
I'm all in favor of the dvd format. I can't have with intangable products, and I don't cotton to all that messing around with DVD burners and new-fangled technology.
Is there going to be a forum there?
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 16, 2007, 08:55:04 PM
Is there going to be a forum there?
It's possible, but probably not.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 17, 2007, 05:18:00 AM
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 16, 2007, 08:55:04 PM
Is there going to be a forum there?
It's possible, but probably not.
If not, don't worry, we can always pick up the slack here.
Between MST3K dvds, Film Crew DVDS, Legand Film DVDs and Rifftrax DVD, my shelves are getting quite full. Now with CT DVDs coming, all I can say is, thank goodness for thinpaks.
Just think back to 2006. We had nothing to look forward to but the next Rhino set. Now we have all this.
:highfive:
Quote from: PSLOwner on November 17, 2007, 06:08:06 AM
Between MST3K dvds, Film Crew DVDS, Legand Film DVDs and Rifftrax DVD, my shelves are getting quite full. Now with CT DVDs coming
Yeah, Really!!
I'm gonna have to start working on building some new shelves.. probably after I return from my Mexico vacation in January. ;D
Quote from: RoninFox on November 17, 2007, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 17, 2007, 05:18:00 AM
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 16, 2007, 08:55:04 PM
Is there going to be a forum there?
It's possible, but probably not.
If not, don't worry, we can always pick up the slack here.
Between this Forum and the forrestcrow MST3k Info forums, there's plenty of available discussion.
Mr`Death,
Thanks for your answer. I appreciate the response and the sentiment. Like I said, I wasn't trying to suggest that anyone in the DAP were doing anything wrong, I just know that even if you guys "officially" pull an episode, it still gets distributed by other people outside of the project. You can still find DAP labeled episodes on torrent sites.
Of course, from what I have seen with RiffTrax, MOST of the torrent site admins have been good about taking down torrents when requested by someone in the company. Mike and Kevin also made a HILARIOUS fake RiffTrax release of Star Trek: Generations that was fairly successful as a deterrent / guilt thing. We got a couple of people come over to the forums and say that one converted them to paying customers. :)
Quote from: Chaos on November 17, 2007, 03:02:44 PM
Mike and Kevin also made a HILARIOUS fake RiffTrax release of Star Trek: Generations that was fairly successful as a deterrent / guilt thing. We got a couple of people come over to the forums and say that one converted them to paying customers. :)
Anyone have a link to this vid? I keep hearing about it and have never gotten a chance to see it. I have a general understanding of the content of it, but just wanted to see it for myself.
It's a faux-rifftrax (mp3), not a video.
Okay, my two cents.
I'm going to look into this, although without very high expectations. Reasons why, I'll admit it. I really never watch the pre-Mike-as-host-episodes of MST3K. I really just don't find the others very funny. Like KTMA/MST3K episodes 1-episode 512 will really only give me a couple chuckles if that. And after being accustomed to Mike and his (in my opinion) superior riffing for so long, I doubt I'll really be able to go back.
Although, I really have to give them props for getting Trace and Frank. I will no matter what watch multiple episodes purely for Frank if nothing else.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 17, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
It's a faux-rifftrax (mp3), not a video.
Ahh okay.. gotcha... with "Big Voice" saying "BUY MORE RIFFTRAX!" over and over?
I've only listened to it once but it starts out as a normal rifftrax with Mike and Kevin doing the intro and then they say something along the lines of, "I get the feeling this rifftrax was obtained illegally" and after a little snarky commentary, they decide not to work if you're not paying. I think they end up making fart noises. I think at some point it does say "buy more rifftrax."
Um....embedified for your listening pleasure....
http://www.divshare.com/flash/audio?myId=2794282-3a1
Awesome stuff. Even when they're purposefully guilting the pirates Mike and Kevin are hilarious.
It is a good time to be a fan. I look forward to more updates. GLORY TO ALL THAT RIFF!!!!!! :clap:
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 06:14:10 PM
(some of us have, like, no money right now. So some money for the hard work would rule)
OMG!!!!11 Joel is BROKE!!!11eleventy!
(just doing my part to fuel the wild speculation)
Quote from: Festus on November 17, 2007, 09:56:45 PM
I really never watch the pre-Mike-as-host-episodes of MST3K. I really just don't find the others very funny. Like KTMA/MST3K episodes 1-episode 512 will really only give me a couple chuckles if that.
The funny thing is, I'm pretty much exactly opposite of that lol... I like the older ones better, and I'm not sure why, it has nothing to do with Mike, because I enjoy the Rifftrax a ton... the only thing I can remember thinking at the time was that it felt like the guys were laughing at each others jokes more at the end than they did at the beginning... I dunno, it doesn't matter, I love em all, just different flavors.
Here's something I that just occurred to me:
Do you guys think Cinematic Titanic might have been Joel and the lads' (and lass's) contingency plan as a way to ride out the Writer's Strike? I mean, the timing might just be coincidental, but then again, it might not be. Just a thought. Incidentally, have you seen Frank's writer's strike video? It's definitely worth checking out.
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 19, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Here's something I that just occurred to me:
Do you guys think Cinematic Titanic might have been Joel and the lads' (and lass's) contingency plan as a way to ride out the Writer's Strike? I mean, the timing might just be coincidental, but then again, it might not be. Just a thought. Incidentally, have you seen Frank's writer's strike video? It's definitely worth checking out.
Fixed it for you:
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 19, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Here's something I that just occurred to me:
Do you guys think Cinematic Titanic might have been Joel and the lads' (and lass's) contingency plan as a way to ride out the Writer's Strike? I mean, the timing might just be coincidental, but then again, it might not be. Just a thought.
The CT plan of action seems a little too long term compared to how long the strike is likely to last. Of course I could be wrong there, who knows how long the strike will last for sure.
Quote from: the long undertow on November 19, 2007, 09:57:25 AM
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 16, 2007, 06:14:10 PM
(some of us have, like, no money right now. So some money for the hard work would rule)
OMG!!!!11 Joel is BROKE!!!11eleventy!
(just doing my part to fuel the wild speculation)
heh, actually, i was referring to myself!
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 19, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Here's something I that just occurred to me:
Do you guys think Cinematic Titanic might have been Joel and the lads' (and lass's) contingency plan as a way to ride out the Writer's Strike? I mean, the timing might just be coincidental, but then again, it might not be. Just a thought. Incidentally, have you seen Frank's writer's strike video? It's definitely worth checking out.
The idea for CT came up looooooooong before the writer's strike, and we started working out all the details long before the strike, too.
... "we"?
Quote from: Kzinistzerg on November 20, 2007, 06:25:30 PM
... "we"?
Psst, he works for them, he's already mentioned that.
Quote from: Mr`Death on November 19, 2007, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: daltysmilth on November 19, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Here's something I that just occurred to me:
Do you guys think Cinematic Titanic might have been Joel and the lads' (and lass's) contingency plan as a way to ride out the Writer's Strike? I mean, the timing might just be coincidental, but then again, it might not be. Just a thought. Incidentally, have you seen Frank's writer's strike video? It's definitely worth checking out.
The idea for CT came up looooooooong before the writer's strike, and we started working out all the details long before the strike, too.
Which raises a question I've been wondering about due to all the speculation on this board that I'm not sure has been answered and I'm too lazy to go more than 5 pages back.... When was the idea of CT conceived? And how much of it had to do with Rifftrax/the Film Crew?
Not trying to be an asshole here either, my thoughts were just great minds think alike
Quote from: pyro on November 21, 2007, 12:52:04 PM
Which raises a question I've been wondering about due to all the speculation on this board that I'm not sure has been answered and I'm too lazy to go more than 5 pages back.... When was the idea of CT conceived? And how much of it had to do with Rifftrax/the Film Crew?
Not trying to be an asshole here either, my thoughts were just great minds think alike
I don't know exactly when Joel, Trace and Frank started talking about doing it. Maybe 4 or 5 months ago.
And then the floodgates opened... :P
Quote from: David on October 30, 2007, 10:11:45 AM
Quote from: Bairman on October 30, 2007, 10:10:01 AM
I'm intrigued by the tagline... "CinemaTitanic: The 500 film movie riff project"
Five hundred?!?
Mike's about a tenth of the way there. And MST3K got up to what, 200?
I'm gonna need some bigger shelves.
176 plus 1 movie plus the local MN show (whose count I do not at present remember).
I can fit 3 episodes per VCD, or 6 per DVD-R, so it really doesn't take that much space.
Quote from: scottrkrv on November 21, 2007, 11:41:28 PM
176 plus 1 movie plus the local MN show (whose count I do not at present remember).
21 KTMA episodes 18 of which are available.
...
A Thanksgiving day update over at CinematicTitanic.com...
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg239.imageshack.us%2Fimg239%2F7671%2Fturkeydaysmru9.jpg&hash=59454a870c078902fa8c334a63023c9f74ff6b0b) (http://imageshack.us)
-Rude
Wow more hi-tec than I would have thought, vid-links to mary jo and trace...
hmm...A car at a dutch angle...no idea what film that is...
Quote from: Douglin on November 22, 2007, 12:38:01 PM
Wow more hi-tec than I would have thought, vid-links to mary jo and trace...
Either that or they just like to have a pic of Trace and Mary Jo up while watching the movie ;)
Quote from: Douglin on November 22, 2007, 12:38:01 PM
hmm...A car at a dutch angle...no idea what film that is...
They're going to riff an episode of SNL that has "Toonces the Driving Cat" in it. Duh! ;)
Damn. Where's my CSI brand technology so I can blow up and enhance Josh's script page to read it. Stupid fakey technology doesn't exist... (tails off into grumbling).
Quote from: hare.29 on November 26, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
Damn. Where's my CSI brand technology so I can blow up and enhance Josh's script page to read it. Stupid fakey technology doesn't exist... (tails off into grumbling).
I think any old program on your computer will work. You just have to make sure that you play some music that has nothing to do with the mood of the object your looking at, and you have to have a friend walk into the room and ask if you've enhanced it yet. I believe this will have you just seconds away from success.
Quote from: Tank on November 26, 2007, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: hare.29 on November 26, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
Damn. Where's my CSI brand technology so I can blow up and enhance Josh's script page to read it. Stupid fakey technology doesn't exist... (tails off into grumbling).
I think any old program on your computer will work. You just have to make sure that you play some music that has nothing to do with the mood of the object your looking at, and you have to have a friend walk into the room and ask if you've enhanced it yet. I believe this will have you just seconds away from success.
Dude, you forgot the strobe light! You need random flashes of light to go along with the odd camera moves of your work right BEFORE the friend walks in.
A new Update
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcinematictitanic.com%2Ftrace_tube_sm.jpg&hash=3606643f5a27b235f98ff8310479ef2baa5ca5b4) (http://cinematictitanic.com/)
ohhhhkay?
That is one puzzling photo that needs a thousand words to desribe it.
That's why you click on the picture and read the words!
Well, this seems to be further evidence that the presence of phallic imagery in the previous promotional photos wasn't accidental.
Quote from: BathTub on December 01, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
That's why you click on the picture and read the words!
"Clever girl......"
I never would have recognized Trace from that photo. I think it's the lack of mustache.
Nope, I missed out on that one.
Man! I wouldn't have even recognized Trace in that photo if his name wasn't listed under it! :scared:
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 01, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: BathTub on December 01, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
That's why you click on the picture and read the words!
"Clever girl......"
I was unaware that BathTub was a velociraptor... ;D
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on December 01, 2007, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 01, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: BathTub on December 01, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
That's why you click on the picture and read the words!
"Clever girl......"
I was unaware that BathTub was a velociraptor... ;D
I notice you don't question the gender part at all though. Weird.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 02, 2007, 06:00:24 AM
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on December 01, 2007, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 01, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: BathTub on December 01, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
That's why you click on the picture and read the words!
"Clever girl......"
I was unaware that BathTub was a velociraptor... ;D
I notice you don't question the gender part at all though. Weird.
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigbonton.org%2Fupload%2F2006%2F08%2FVernal%252520UT%252520dinosaur.jpg&hash=5818027e08c73d7c0b0a7055b6c78dca7013148e)
I'm sorta late to post... But man am i happy to see this!... And very good news is.. Joel isn't dead!!! YAY!. Well I'm very excited to see where this is going.
Ok so whats the deal though... Are they bringing back the bots?... Whats the scenario here.
No jim owns the bots, that is why he dusted off mst3k.com
They are bringing back the bots, but that have to call them "ro's" now. Crow is now named Crow W. Robot and Tom is now Dom Servo. They are both gunmetal gray and are part of the German sub that is "Cinematic Titanic" which we saw Trace building. Trace will be growing a new moustache and playing Hitler, who forces his American captives to watch bad movies as part of his evil plan to take over the world. Other than that, it is nothing like MST3k.
Quote from: bratpop on December 02, 2007, 10:16:59 PM
They are bringing back the bots, but that have to call them "ro's" now. Crow is now named Crow W. Robot and Tom is now Dom Servo. They are both gunmetal gray and are part of the German sub that is "Cinematic Titanic" which we saw Trace building. Trace will be growing a new moustache and playing Hitler, who forces his American captives to watch bad movies as part of his evil plan to take over the world. Other than that, it is nothing like MST3k.
And that's still better than any of the 'Bots cartoons
Haha agreed.
Quote from: hare.29 on November 26, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
Damn. Where's my CSI brand technology so I can blow up and enhance Josh's script page to read it. Stupid fakey technology doesn't exist... (tails off into grumbling).
Wouldn't matter if it did. Joel just confessed to photoshopping that image.
yeah but all he did was add the pictures of Trace and Mary Jo on the screen... that is the movie they are riffing, verified by someone who knows ;)
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 03, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
yeah but all he did was add the pictures of Trace and Mary Jo on the screen... that is the movie they are riffing, verified by someone who knows ;)
Ooooooh! ~pinches nipples~
Quote from: Imrahil on December 03, 2007, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 03, 2007, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 03, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
yeah but all he did was add the pictures of Trace and Mary Jo on the screen... that is the movie they are riffing, verified by someone who knows ;)
Ooooooh! ~pinches nipples~
Stop that, I just had these done!
Still sore huh? Sorry 'bout that. ~stops, looks around.....pinches Sidey's nipples~
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 03, 2007, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 03, 2007, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 03, 2007, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 03, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
yeah but all he did was add the pictures of Trace and Mary Jo on the screen... that is the movie they are riffing, verified by someone who knows ;)
Ooooooh! ~pinches nipples~
Stop that, I just had these done!
Still sore huh? Sorry 'bout that. ~stops, looks around.....pinches Sidey's nipples~
Do Transformers or Go-Bots have nipples?
Quote from: Imrahil on December 03, 2007, 03:03:32 PM
Maybe, like Kryten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryten), they have nipple-nuts.
Nipple-nuts....that's a proto-word! Next year's word-of-the-year I predict.
Clues to Finding out the Release Movie!
Over at the forrestcrow message boards, a hint was dropped from what appears to be a reliable source that the title will have three words in it.
So, there's our first big clue.
Now, we've also confirmed that while Mary-Jo and Trace were photochopped into the Thanksgiving day picture, but the movie still is authentic.
SO... my mission to those who choose to accept it: IDENTIFY THAT VEHICLE!
If you can, we might find out what CT's opening offering will be 4 days ahead of schedule.
The answer will be found, here..
http://www.imcdb.org/
Thanks Internet!
Oooh was this source RAD? He's like the non-Mallon BBI Deep Throat!
I was glad to know it's 70s-early 80sish looking. I thought it be an older one and those are hard to find sometimes. Namely because I'm a failure and still don't have Netflix.
Quote from: Courtney on December 05, 2007, 06:06:38 PM
Oooh was this source RAD? He's like the non-Mallon BBI Deep Throat!
It was indeed!
QuoteI was glad to know it's 70s-early 80sish looking.
That's what I'm going with too. The movie looks from that era, and the car also looks to be from the same era, maybe a little older. It's also a station wagon of some sort, maybe a hatchback?
Identify the Car -> Identify the Movie
(kinda like, Save the Cheerleader -> Save the World)
Quote from: Courtney on December 05, 2007, 06:06:38 PM
Oooh was this source RAD? He's like the non-Mallon BBI Deep Throat!
I was glad to know it's 70s-early 80sish looking. I thought it be an older one and those are hard to find sometimes. Namely because I'm a failure and still don't have Netflix.
You don't have to rent anything with Cinematic Titanic though...
I'll put the guess behind a spoiler.
Brain of Blood seems a good guess.
Just got a survey request from the CT email club. They mentioned Rifftrax by name as well as some other riffing projects. At least they acknowledge rifftrax exists.
Yeah filled mine out.
Finally got my email and sent off the survey as well! ;D
Filled out my survey as well.
Said I want "downloadable beta vhs format". Sure hope they can help me out. :P
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting DVD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Hmm. I didn't get anything. maybe I need to sign up again just in case or something
Quote from: RoninFox on December 06, 2007, 05:38:13 AM
Hmm. I didn't get anything. maybe I need to sign up again just in case or something
Maybe you scared them a bit :P
Quote from: BathTub on December 05, 2007, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: Courtney on December 05, 2007, 06:06:38 PM
Oooh was this source RAD? He's like the non-Mallon BBI Deep Throat!
I was glad to know it's 70s-early 80sish looking. I thought it be an older one and those are hard to find sometimes. Namely because I'm a failure and still don't have Netflix.
You don't have to rent anything with Cinematic Titanic though...
I'll put the guess behind a spoiler.
Brain of Blood seems a good guess.
Ah jeez, yeah you're right, I keep forgetting about that.
Got my email, woot.
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
Quote from: RVR II on December 06, 2007, 06:04:40 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on December 06, 2007, 05:38:13 AM
Hmm. I didn't get anything. maybe I need to sign up again just in case or something
Maybe you scared them a bit :P
I might have, I can't even get the confirmation e-mail. :angry:
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
I, for one, want no form of VD from Joel or any of the other riffers anywhere, in fact I can do without VD of any kind. I've been free of it thus far in my life, I would like to remain that way.
Hey boys, if your downloads lead to VDs you should probably clean your keyboard a bit . . . or throw it away.
Waits to see RVR's response to this little digression.
Oh gods, I forgot about RVR. We need to put a "feminist spoiler" from this point on. Heck, I'd not consider myself easily offended but I may just ban myself from viewing any farther. :)
Well now I'm signed up proper, had to use an old email address I pretty much abandoned a few years ago though. For some reason I couldn't get it to work with my hotmail account. Wonder if I'll get the survey or if I missed the deadline. Kinda curious about what's in it now.
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
Oh Poopie. I should proof-read more often.
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 06:36:36 AM
Oh gods, I forgot about RVR. We need to put a "feminist spoiler" from this point on. Heck, I'd not consider myself easily offended but I may just ban myself from viewing any farther. :)
Easy.. I'll refrain from comment for now.. ;D
Quote from: Imrahil on December 06, 2007, 07:42:20 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
:clap:
Though hopefully not THE :clap:
The applause? I've never heard of that one. Sounds painful.
Actually, I'm 99% sure that the movie is...
The Wild Angels
Check out the car in the picture on the Cinematic Titanic page and then look at this:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html)
Well they're at similar angles, if that's what you mean.
Crunchy, crispy angels.
And that site sucks. You can't search by YEAR? What kind of car loving site doesn't let you search by YEAR?
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 06:31:02 AM
Hey boys, if your downloads lead to VDs you should probably clean your keyboard a bit . . . or throw it away.
Or use one of these...
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haiwing.com%2Fcatalog%2Fimages%2FMac%2520G5_light%2520blue.jpg&hash=ccf29fd7225ac9f8a9130c9b86017cbdc04a385c)
Or, if you want to "spice things up" a bit...
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.adobe.com%2Fbobddv%2Fimages%2Fkeys_1.jpg&hash=0af90a8324ccabe9522bfc5c9ed9609618a4dfee)
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 08:02:46 AM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 06, 2007, 07:42:20 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
:clap:
Though hopefully not THE :clap:
The applause? I've never heard of that one. Sounds painful.
That's when it goes untreated. Once it progresses to a Standing Ovation, you've probably not got long to live.
Quote from: gbeenie on December 06, 2007, 08:25:06 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 08:02:46 AM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 06, 2007, 07:42:20 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 06, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on December 06, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
FIlled mine out this morning. Hopefully They will notice how many potential customers are wanting VD's without having to download. At least, I think a lot of us want that...
Dude....That's not the abbreviation to use... ;)
:clap:
Though hopefully not THE :clap:
The applause? I've never heard of that one. Sounds painful.
That's when it goes untreated. Once it progresses to a Standing Ovation, you've probably not got long to live.
Usually it starts as the Slow :clap: but it builds and builds and next thing you know it's thunderous and people are whooping and screaming and the pretty friend you finally realized you had feelings for all along starts to cry a little.
Quote from: gbeenie on December 06, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
Or, if you want to "spice things up" a bit...
I love how the guy is wearing a wedding ring.
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: gbeenie on December 06, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
Or, if you want to "spice things up" a bit...
I love how the guy is wearing a wedding ring.
That just screams, "see, married guys use this product, it must be good".
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 06, 2007, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 06, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
Quote from: gbeenie on December 06, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
Or, if you want to "spice things up" a bit...
I love how the guy is wearing a wedding ring.
That just screams, "see, married guys use this product, it must be good".
Or possibly, "See, overweight loser computer geeks who couldn't get a date to save their lives aren't the only ones who use this product. You can be a healthy married guy and still use it."
Quoteother riffing projects
This wording of this cracked me up. It's like they wanted to address the issue as delicately as possible-- you'll note that MST was included in there.
Quote from: James of LinHood on December 06, 2007, 08:04:34 AM
Actually, I'm 99% sure that the movie is...
The Wild Angels
Check out the car in the picture on the Cinematic Titanic page and then look at this:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html)
I doubt it is that one. MGM holds the rights to it and they have just released it again this past September in a box set. Since CT is actually releasing these I don't think we will see titles that are still in print from any of the major studios.
I signed up the first day for the newsletter and signed up on another email earlier today and have yet to get this survey :-\
Quote from: James of LinHood on December 06, 2007, 08:04:34 AM
Actually, I'm 99% sure that the movie is...
The Wild Angels
Check out the car in the picture on the Cinematic Titanic page and then look at this:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_132226-Dodge-Dart-1963.html)
And unfortunately, Joel blasts that theory to smithereens in the latest Cinematic Titanic blog in which he states:
"last week I posted a photo of the Cinematic Titanic teleconferencing while working on the upcoming movie - which was a doctored photo."So there is no guarantee that that was the "real" image that was supposed to be on the screen. So all options are still open!
Over at the MST3K board they have pretty much the exact same screen shot as in Joel's picture and it is the flick "Brain of Blood".
Can't wait!
Quote from: Ninjew on December 06, 2007, 06:27:47 PM
And unfortunately, Joel blasts that theory to smithereens in the latest Cinematic Titanic blog in which he states:
"last week I posted a photo of the Cinematic Titanic teleconferencing while working on the upcoming movie - which was a doctored photo."
So there is no guarantee that that was the "real" image that was supposed to be on the screen. So all options are still open!
We have been writing the first Cinematic Titanic remotely –it just doesn't look that coolJoel simply added MJ and Trace to the image, this was confirmed by RAD. And people have matched the screenshot up with
Brain of Blood.
Just from reading the description of the movie we think it is, this will be a wonderful BAD movie. I can't wait!
If indeed, that is the movie, how on EARTH do they find these things?
I doubt they can get away from it. I bet they regularly get mail, or just handed stuff with a note "You have got to see this!". In fact I am guilty of this exact same thing. Sorry Guys!
Quote from: Imrahil on December 07, 2007, 08:19:45 AM
Well, if that's the movie, I'm waiting for their second release.
Huh? That movie is right in the wheelhouse of what I would expect.
Are you wanting more black and while older shows or do you not like that type of film?
Man, I LOVE stupid horror movies!
Some of the director's other films like Frankenstein vs Dracula have me giggling every time I watch it. We have bad movie nights and, with beer, these movies are awesome.
I don't like poorly dubbed Japanese movies, but I love every one MST3K ever did... hard to see what one really has to do with the other :-\
Quote from: Imrahil on December 07, 2007, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 07, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
I don't like poorly dubbed Japanese movies, but I love every one MST3K ever did... hard to see what one really has to do with the other :-\
Well, cos at some level you're still sitting through a shitty movie, that's what.
I know we've discussed this before, but methinks you might have chosen the wrong pasttime if you get bored sitting through shitty movies. :)
Quote from: Chaos on December 07, 2007, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 07, 2007, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 07, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
I don't like poorly dubbed Japanese movies, but I love every one MST3K ever did... hard to see what one really has to do with the other :-\
Well, cos at some level you're still sitting through a shitty movie, that's what.
I know we've discussed this before, but methinks you might have chosen the wrong pasttime if you get bored sitting through shitty movies. :)
ding, ding, ding
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 07, 2007, 08:29:33 AM
Man, I LOVE stupid horror movies!
Some of the director's other films like Frankenstein vs Dracula have me giggling every time I watch it. We have bad movie nights and, with beer, these movies are awesome.
I Think you're a Freak! :scared: :scared:
Quote from: MrTorsoOver at the MST3K board they have pretty much the exact same screen shot as in Joel's picture...
Linky link? For some reason that black and orange color scheme they got leaves my eyes reeling after a few minutes of searching. Cool forum though, i lurk every once and awhile and see some of you guys over there.
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on December 07, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: MrTorsoOver at the MST3K board they have pretty much the exact same screen shot as in Joel's picture...
Linky link? For some reason that black and orange color scheme they got leaves my eyes reeling after a few minutes of searching. Cool forum though, i lurk every once and awhile and see some of you guys over there.
-Rude
http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=ct&action=display&thread=1194406654&page=14#1196994501
...
Thanx for that link, man!
I can't believe that those guys managed to nail the exact frame from the film! That was some major detective work going on over there. Congrats to them. And from some of the descriptions and reviews of the movie itself, this looks like it's going to be a great experiment.
-Rude
Quote from: RVR II on December 07, 2007, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 07, 2007, 08:29:33 AM
Man, I LOVE stupid horror movies!
Some of the director's other films like Frankenstein vs Dracula have me giggling every time I watch it. We have bad movie nights and, with beer, these movies are awesome.
I Think you're a Freak! :scared: :scared:
Well DUH. You just now finding that out bro?
Article up at Wired (http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/12/cinematic_titanic) about CT and the first flick:
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi122.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo255%2FMrTorso%2Fcinematic_titanic_630x.jpg&hash=03c9c48bc78f2d079ad17d8511a0f2eb61747d86)
Eztakes.com is the vendor. Looks like if you choose to have a DVD delivered it will be a DVD-R.
Why does Trace look like Mr. Rogers? In a good way, I mean.
Quote from: MrTorso on December 07, 2007, 06:23:40 PM
Eztakes.com is the vendor. Looks like if you choose to have a DVD delivered it will be a DVD-R.
In other words, there will be nothing whatsoever to distinguish a physical purchase from a downloaded purchase (or a download obtained through other means, for that matter). No stamped disc image? No nice show-off-able box? So, then, the only people who would have any reason to order a physical DVD would be people in 3rd world countries and other poor suckers who don't have high speed?
People like to have something physical to show proudly on their shelf. Sure, people make their own custom DVD covers here at Rifftrax, but I bet there would be less people who did that if Rifftrax offered downloadable labels that were shrunken versions of the catalogue poster art (though some people will always make their own).
I will already have to modify the disc labels because it looks like they only offer big hub label artwork. Hopefully they got some good graphic designers /layout artists working on the covers.
I hope they have some themed cover art work to download. I shudder at the thought of trying to find hi-res material for movies like Brain of Blood :speechless:
Maybe we can kidnap, force, make him an offer he cannot refuse, ask Josh to create a CT cover set! 8)
More from DVD Wagon:
We make our DVDs on-demand (i.e. as soon as you place an order). The media we use are DVD-R discs, which will play on just about any DVD player (see our Frequently Asked Questions for more information).
We will also print label art work right on the DVD surface. We will then mail the DVD to you in a standard DVD mailer. Because our mailers are simple and inexpensive, we can keep our costs and prices as low as possible.
So, looks like the DVD-R will be stamped with art work (or at least stamped with something) and either we can create our own covers or, hopefully, the main site will have artwork for us.
Some folks at the MST3K discussion board down loaded their download manager and, based on tests of download speed, think it will take around an hour to download the full movie....... assuming you have broadband that is.
Pretty sure I read there will be covers from somewhere. Since getting it mailed to you will just be a DVDr I think I just download it.
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 07:37:02 AM
Pretty sure I read there will be covers from somewhere. Since getting it mailed to you will just be a DVDr I think I just download it.
I can see hundreds of MSTIES hitting the site all at once trying to download! Holy Network issues Batman! Think I will get the DVD-R for the first few.
The site distributes lots of stuff, I really don't think they are shaking in their boots.
I had never heard of the site until today......they are going to have a lot of people on it come monday though.
I don't think the number of people wanting to download a full dvd image is going to be that insane.
However I do sincerely hope they don't region restrict it, browsing through the titles I see a bunch that are, and that would suck.
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 10:43:39 AM
I don't think the number of people wanting to download a full dvd image is going to be that insane.
However I do sincerely hope they don't region restrict it, browsing through the titles I see a bunch that are, and that would suck.
Well, if you're going the download route, you can get around that if you're willing to waste a disc (or have a re-writable disc). Just burn it to one disc, and then re-rip it to your hard drive, re-encode it, burn it to a new disc, and BAM - DRM / region free.
No you misunderstood. People providing content to EZtake can restrict sales to certain geographical zones, I can't download something for NA only. Nothing to do with any DRM.
Anyway tested out the Download Manager and got my account all set up and working fine.
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 11:47:10 AM
No you misunderstood. People providing content to EZtake can restrict sales to certain geographical zones, I can't download something for NA only. Nothing to do with any DRM.
Anyway tested out the Download Manager and got my account all set up and working fine.
Ah, now I see.
Well, that's stupid. All it will do if they restrict what region you can download from is to send people straight to torrent sites. :P
Like this.
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepages.inspire.net.nz%2F%7Ebathtub%2Fezexample.jpg&hash=84469c420bd2bdc2209a3a0e5f3e426aee9f1f33)
Of course it might not be up to them, if CT didn't get a worldwide license for Brain of Blood then they won't be able to sell it.
I've decided to go with download as well. Once I found out that the DVD will just be a dvd-r without any kind of special packaging or label, it really made it pointless to have a dvd shipped. Plus, maybe it'll be less $$ to purchase the download as compared to the physical dvd. Who knows?
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 11:47:10 AM
No you misunderstood. People providing content to EZtake can restrict sales to certain geographical zones, I can't download something for NA only. Nothing to do with any DRM.
Anyway tested out the Download Manager and got my account all set up and working fine.
If worse comes to worse, you could always pay for it and I could make you a region free version and mail it to you. That way, CT gets their cash and everyone should be happy.
I've installed the software and started a download of their free test content. So far so good. :highfive:
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 08, 2007, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 11:47:10 AM
No you misunderstood. People providing content to EZtake can restrict sales to certain geographical zones, I can't download something for NA only. Nothing to do with any DRM.
Anyway tested out the Download Manager and got my account all set up and working fine.
If worse comes to worse, you could always pay for it and I could make you a region free version and mail it to you. That way, CT gets their cash and everyone should be happy.
But would that be... 'LEGAL!' :speechless:
Is it?
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstarwars.fidm.edu%2Fgalaxyshop%2Fimages%2Fshop-neimoidian.jpg&hash=63a443f43f60e13dc6e46e2c01b009619542ddb4)
Quote from: ChrisHanel on December 08, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Is it?
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstarwars.fidm.edu%2Fgalaxyshop%2Fimages%2Fshop-neimoidian.jpg&hash=63a443f43f60e13dc6e46e2c01b009619542ddb4)
I would think it would be legal. It was paid for and everyone got their money, everyone got their DVD and I dont make a penny on the transfer. If my thinking is wrong, someone please set me straight.
LOL, I downloaded the Animusic "Pipe Dream" sample for a test... not only did it work great, I loved that Animusic so much I went to their website and bought 2 copies each of both their DVDs! One set for a Christmas gift, and one set to keep ;)
That's some neat stuff !
Delayed! (http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/) :(
But check this shot out!
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcinematictitanic.com%2Fset.jpg&hash=48f715ef1df7a4a041c061d9c7119230af0b9c0d)
Quote from: BathTub on December 08, 2007, 10:59:52 PM
Delayed! (http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/) :(
But check this shot out!
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcinematictitanic.com%2Fset.jpg&hash=48f715ef1df7a4a041c061d9c7119230af0b9c0d)
OK; are you being sarcastic or cynical?
Unfortunately, that's exactly what the DVD will look like, just imagine the movie on the green part. "Hey, look at the wacky stuff going on behind all this crap!" "Yeah, uh... dickweed!"
Quote from: bratpop on December 09, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
Unfortunately, that's exactly what the DVD will look like, just imagine the movie on the green part. "Hey, look at the wacky stuff going on behind all this crap!" "Yeah, uh... dickweed!"
Well I'd imagine that the scaffolding would actually be the extreme left and right of the screen so zoom in to the edges of the scaffolding are right on the sides. Also this picture was obviously taken from behind the main camera a ladder and several other pieces of equipment. Imagine all that stuff out of the way and I think this is going to work pretty well.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 09, 2007, 01:16:40 AM
Quote from: bratpop on December 09, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
Unfortunately, that's exactly what the DVD will look like, just imagine the movie on the green part. "Hey, look at the wacky stuff going on behind all this crap!" "Yeah, uh... dickweed!"
Well I'd imagine that the scaffolding would actually be the extreme left and right of the screen so zoom in to the edges of the scaffolding are right on the sides. Also this picture was obviously taken from behind the main camera a ladder and several other pieces of equipment. Imagine all that stuff out of the way and I think this is going to work pretty well.
Again...
Are you being sarcastic or cynical?
Quote from: scottrkrv on December 09, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on December 09, 2007, 01:16:40 AM
Quote from: bratpop on December 09, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
Unfortunately, that's exactly what the DVD will look like, just imagine the movie on the green part. "Hey, look at the wacky stuff going on behind all this crap!" "Yeah, uh... dickweed!"
Well I'd imagine that the scaffolding would actually be the extreme left and right of the screen so zoom in to the edges of the scaffolding are right on the sides. Also this picture was obviously taken from behind the main camera a ladder and several other pieces of equipment. Imagine all that stuff out of the way and I think this is going to work pretty well.
Again...
Are you being sarcastic or cynical?
Is it hard to imagine that I could actually be serious, making observations based on what I already know about the project, and looking forward to seeing this? Look carefully at that picture, it's not a screen cap, it has all the equipment in shot, equipment that will not be visible on the dvd. Also the shadow figure in the middle on the bottom isn't one of the riffers, there are only five riffers and that guy would make six people. That's a crew member or director or something, so that part of the screen will likely be unobstructed movie.
There's a lot of sarcasm and cynicism on this board, but not in this post.
It looks like the view from behind the greenscreen, so yeah everybody and the camera are on the otherside. This is just what it looks like from Behind what is going on, not what the silhouettes will look like.
I feel like I need to get high to read the Lucasfilm poster in that link.
Hmmm... I wonder if these will be widescreen? It seems to make sense that they would.
Quote from: Bairman on December 09, 2007, 05:50:46 AM
Hmmm... I wonder if these will be widescreen? It seems to make sense that they would.
From the layout of the scaffolding I would think it's widescreen, or they will be fairly small on fullscreen.
Quote from: scottrkrv on December 09, 2007, 12:02:50 AM
OK; are you being sarcastic or cynical?
Neither, I think the shot looks great, and the when I saw it the whole thing jumped a few notches in scale. Before I thought it was going to be something filmed in Joels Garage. Now it's a huge studio affair with a Giant Green Screen, Crew etc..
To me it looks like someone from the extreme back of the studio is taking a photo of the main camera and the guys in their respective areas on the CT Scaffolding, so more than you would normally see in the course of the show.
Oh I made an HD poll/discussion thread over at forrestcrow, but people don't seem to get it, if you care to take a look it's here (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=ct&action=display&thread=1197208879).
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcinematictitanic.com%2Fset.jpg&hash=48f715ef1df7a4a041c061d9c7119230af0b9c0d)
That is total awesomeness.
People who think it looks like a mess have never seen how a working set looks. This is gonna be cool, I can see them moving around between parts of the scaffold, people coming and going, all sorts of possibilities.
Bummer about the delay, but delays happen. I've been waiting for the latest racing simulator which has been delayed for over a year now, but that's a licensing issue. Seems to me the CT guys just want to make the project even cooler. I can live with that 8)
Besides, we'll have the Star Wars Holiday Rifftrax to look forward to on the 10th.
Quote from: LadyKenobi on December 09, 2007, 05:26:37 AM
I feel like I need to get high to read the Lucasfilm poster in that link.
;D It makes you wonder if Moby Grape was the opening act...
Quote from: BathTub on December 09, 2007, 07:27:55 AM
Oh I made an HD poll/discussion thread over at forrestcrow, but people don't seem to get it, if you care to take a look it's here (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=ct&action=display&thread=1197208879).
The only issue with that idea is that it entails remastering the movie, and that means having access to the film itself (interpositives and whatnot). I don't know:
a) if these material even exist for this movie anymore, and
b) how much of the rights to the film CT has purchased.
In
concept, however, I'm all for it.
Quote from: gbeenie on December 09, 2007, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: LadyKenobi on December 09, 2007, 05:26:37 AM
I feel like I need to get high to read the Lucasfilm poster in that link.
;D It makes you wonder if Moby Grape was the opening act...
Maybe it was Jefferson Airplane and they appologized for their appearance in the Star Wars holiday special?
(sorry, I will NEVER get that shame/horror to wash off of me).
It's okay, man. We're here for you.
Quote from: gbeenie on December 09, 2007, 08:39:53 AM
It's okay, man. We're here for you.
*sniff* :'( Thanks ...... you good people.
(I had to pull out my ipod and play "Volunteers" to settle my nerves)
Quote from: gbeenie on December 09, 2007, 08:35:16 AM
Quote from: BathTub on December 09, 2007, 07:27:55 AM
Oh I made an HD poll/discussion thread over at forrestcrow, but people don't seem to get it, if you care to take a look it's here (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=ct&action=display&thread=1197208879).
The only issue with that idea is that it entails remastering the movie, and that means having access to the film itself (interpositives and whatnot). I don't know:
a) if these material even exist for this movie anymore, and
b) how much of the rights to the film CT has purchased.
In concept, however, I'm all for it.
Oh I wouldn't want or expect them to remaster the movie, just whatever they have.
yeah, just get the highest resolution possible... widescreen would be cool too.
QuoteQuoteI feel like I need to get high to read the Lucasfilm poster in that link.
Grin It makes you wonder if Moby Grape was the opening act...
It makes me want brownies, and Funyons.
High resolution doesn't matter as much to me. Heck we were used to nothing at all for a long time before Rifftrax and the Film Crew. Let's just be happy!
I imagine remastering the video would take away from it somewhat.... like remastering the movies before putting them on MST3K
I don't know if I've missed this in a previous post, but any word on the actual concept of the show? I know they're riffing bad movies again but is there a reason? Are they playing themselves or characters? The set seems to indicate characters, otherwise, what's the point of it being so elaborate?
Quote from: Imrahil on December 09, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
The scaffolding, name, and props I've seen all point towards a ship-themed venture. Like they're on the deck of a massive cruise ship viewing these movies.
Is the ship called the "Cruise Liner of Love", by any chance? :)
It should be at the event horizon of a Black Hole where it will take all eternity to crush them.
As long as we don't have to view the cast in swimwear. I love 'em all, but not for their bodies. :^)
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 09, 2007, 07:50:23 AM
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcinematictitanic.com%2Fset.jpg&hash=48f715ef1df7a4a041c061d9c7119230af0b9c0d)
That is total awesomeness.
People who think it looks like a mess have never seen how a working set looks. This is gonna be cool, I can see them moving around between parts of the scaffold, people coming and going, all sorts of possibilities.
Bummer about the delay, but delays happen. I've been waiting for the latest racing simulator which has been delayed for over a year now, but that's a licensing issue. Seems to me the CT guys just want to make the project even cooler. I can live with that 8)
Besides, we'll have the Star Wars Holiday Rifftrax to look forward to on the 10th.
Thanks for setting them straight.
This was the most professional shoot I've worked on, with an amazing crew and no expense spared. I'm working with the script, and it is truly, coming from a lifelong MST fan, fantastic. Unbelievably great riffs, great acting, great energy. We're very excited about it, and I think it'll all turn out very well. The fans should dig it.
Quote from: Imrahil on December 09, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
The scaffolding, name, and props I've seen all point towards a ship-themed venture. Like they're on the deck of a massive cruise ship viewing these movies.
Not even close.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 09, 2007, 03:17:18 AM
Quote from: scottrkrv on December 09, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on December 09, 2007, 01:16:40 AM
Quote from: bratpop on December 09, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
Unfortunately, that's exactly what the DVD will look like, just imagine the movie on the green part. "Hey, look at the wacky stuff going on behind all this crap!" "Yeah, uh... dickweed!"
Well I'd imagine that the scaffolding would actually be the extreme left and right of the screen so zoom in to the edges of the scaffolding are right on the sides. Also this picture was obviously taken from behind the main camera a ladder and several other pieces of equipment. Imagine all that stuff out of the way and I think this is going to work pretty well.
Again...
Are you being sarcastic or cynical?
Is it hard to imagine that I could actually be serious, making observations based on what I already know about the project, and looking forward to seeing this? Look carefully at that picture, it's not a screen cap, it has all the equipment in shot, equipment that will not be visible on the dvd. Also the shadow figure in the middle on the bottom isn't one of the riffers, there are only five riffers and that guy would make six people. That's a crew member or director or something, so that part of the screen will likely be unobstructed movie.
There's a lot of sarcasm and cynicism on this board, but not in this post.
The crew was about 20 strong.
Quote from: Imrahil on December 09, 2007, 11:04:43 PM
Quote from: Mr`Death on December 09, 2007, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 09, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
The scaffolding, name, and props I've seen all point towards a ship-themed venture. Like they're on the deck of a massive cruise ship viewing these movies.
Not even close.
Kay. How about a hint instead of vaguely condescending negations?
Take a look at the Cinematic Titanic site, at the picture of Trace ... and take a look back in this thread for pictures of Mary Jo with similar tubes... the theme kind of lies in there.
Ok I missed the picture of MJ with some tubes? Not the photo from from Wired?
I would guess that that CT is set in the future hence the time tube and are being forced to study forgotten cinema for some reason or another.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on December 10, 2007, 09:57:53 AM
I would guess that that CT is set in the future hence the time tube and are being forced to study forgotten cinema for some reason or another.
I think they are putting the riffed DVDs in the time tube for the future to see...
From the e-mail survey:
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi122.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo255%2FMrTorso%2Ftimetubecorrected.jpg&hash=ff7477b929e4335be2c1d50992f7eb3691c7f70f)
Quote from: MrTorso on December 10, 2007, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: SaucyRossy on December 10, 2007, 09:57:53 AM
I would guess that that CT is set in the future hence the time tube and are being forced to study forgotten cinema for some reason or another.
I think they are putting the riffed DVDs in the time tube for the future to see...
Ahhh I did not see that. Ok well I was wrong. So I guess it is set in the not so distant future since well the present already happened.
500 DVDs is a nice healthy goal!!
but yikes at spending $5,000 for this addiction....... here's to hoping for an eventual TV deal (or white listing after a year or so)
I think it'll be money well spent. i cant wait to see this first film! and whatever the big surprise is for those of us on the mailing list
Oh c'mon, you don't really think Joel would sell our names to a spam list do you?
So wasn't the movie supposed to come out today? Do we have any updates on when we'll be seeing this?
I think that there was a delay, and i haven't gotten anything new in my email from these guys. But im sure once there is some news someone (or more than one) will post it on here.
lol yes it was posted a few days ago, it was the same time they posted the photo of the set.
Quote from: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on December 11, 2007, 12:20:55 PM
So wasn't the movie supposed to come out today? Do we have any updates on when we'll be seeing this?
No, no, that was Chinese Democracy
Quote from: pyro on December 11, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on December 11, 2007, 12:20:55 PM
So wasn't the movie supposed to come out today? Do we have any updates on when we'll be seeing this?
No, no, that was Chinese Democracy
....and Hank from Californication's new book.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 11, 2007, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: pyro on December 11, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on December 11, 2007, 12:20:55 PM
So wasn't the movie supposed to come out today? Do we have any updates on when we'll be seeing this?
No, no, that was Chinese Democracy
....and Hank from Californication's new book.
So an underage psychotic nympho will now be riffing on Brain of Blood? :)
Well, there's not much you can say to that. o.o
Why is there not a Californication thread? Or am I missing it?
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Nothing too exciting, but if you're interested... someone posted a few pictures from the Cinematic Titanic after party: http://flickr.com/photos/bonniegrrl/sets/72157603405589507/
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on December 11, 2007, 04:04:29 PM
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Nothing too exciting, but if you're interested... someone posted a few pictures from the Cinematic Titanic after party: http://flickr.com/photos/bonniegrrl/sets/72157603405589507/
-Rude
Groovy, thanks.
and this http://starwarsblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/report-from-cinematic-titanic/ (http://starwarsblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/report-from-cinematic-titanic/)
Much as these guys amuse me, I have to admit to being a little shocked when I saw the pictures. From viewing all those old episodes of the TV show, I'm used to all of them being frozen in their 20's and early 30's, which was.... twenty years ago, in some cases. Stop it, time, leave them alone!
Exactly. Just thin; weinstein was 18 when he left the show, he's like 3 bajillion years old now.
They probably remember their audience being much younger too.
Well there are some of us who were young impressionable children when we watched MST3K (and now we're old impressionable children). I'm only 17 but I remember the show's original run.
Well that just proves my point, how much you must seem to have grown to them! More than most!
did anyone else hear about this its sounds great its funny how both hosts of mystery science theater went on to have individual ideas based on the same premise
Yeah, we've been on this since it was announced in October. Join the full discussion.
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5828.0.html (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,5828.0.html)
There's a couple other threads about it in the general discussion section.
No date yet.
officially been a week, any rumors or anything yet?
no rumors, but we can start one if you like :D
Quote from: pyro on December 17, 2007, 09:30:59 AM
officially been a week, any rumors or anything yet?
Nothing yet..... even from the MST3K forums. Odd that they have not posted something on their website about the delay from their estimated 12/10 date. It could be anything from problems with the filming itself, delays in their vendor being ready, anything.
I guess, "when it comes, it will come". Now, pass me my Fantastic Four DVD and I will patiently wait for the Rifftrax.
I just wish we would get that free Holiday short Joel mentioned a few weeks back.
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Ah well, the best laid plans of mice and men...
-Rude
I wonder if they rushed to announce this prematurely because of MST3K.com.
Perhaps so. Too bad too. On the upside after several weeks of waiting I finally got the confirmation email on my main email address two days ago. Must have got caught in my spam filter last time.
An entire week and we haven't heard anything...maybe everyone died...
Is it just more or has the CT crew missed out on a big opportunity to launch with a bang before xmas? I mean the wired article, the starwars.com article, etc. All pointed to a December 10th release and I am sure a lot of people checked the site out expecting to see a finished product.....
Oh well either way I will wait and I am still just happy this is happening.
Quote from: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on December 17, 2007, 04:51:39 PM
An entire week and we haven't heard anything...maybe everyone died...
Everyone except Molly Brown.
No, it is not just you, SaucyRossy , they pretty much blew it.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 17, 2007, 03:32:40 PM
Perhaps so. Too bad too. On the upside after several weeks of waiting I finally got the confirmation email on my main email address two days ago. Must have got caught in my spam filter last time.
Still haven't gotten mine on either email...
and I agree SaucyRossy... all this hype creating all this tension and excitement about the 12/10 release date and then the note saying it'll be a little bit, then 8 days of nothing has completely killed at least all of my excitement over it... it's getting to sort of an awkward point for me not hearing anything at all since
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on December 17, 2007, 03:18:07 PM
I wonder if they rushed to announce this prematurely because of MST3K.com.
I had suspected the other way around, but now I'm thinking you may be right.
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Maybe there's too much creative talent and not enough management over there at CT. And i don't mean that in a totally horrible way... but sometimes creative types (myself included) get excited by their new projects, and start shooting off their mouth before they really have it together. And there's always something that goes wrong... always. Especially when you're doing something for the first time.
But all of that is even more of a reason not to put the cart before the horse. They probably should have had something, at least one completed project, in the can before they made any official announcements. Especially an official announcement of a release date for their own product! It just should have been ready to go. It should have been filmed, edited and ready for distribution before they announced a release date.
Whatever... once it's up and running, they'll iron out those all those kinks quickly enough. And it'll be worth the wait, i'm sure... uh, pretty sure. But someone needed to step up and take the reins on the management end over there. It's coming off as an amateur project that's not quite ready for prime-time... but then again, it was the same for MST3K when it first aired.
-Rude
PS- Then again, the entire first season of MST3K was probably filmed before The Comedy Channel even started advertising it...
Well, you think Joel would at least let us know what's going on. He, of all people, from his years on MST3K, knows how important the internet is and how internet communities work.
True, but since this particular ball has been dropped and they are working to pick it back up, he likely doesn't want to say anything definite until they're absolutely sure they're ready, for fear that ball will slip away again.
I tried to hard to hold on to that metaphor. Guess I dropped the ball too.
I'm looking forward to CT, but I'm worried that Joel is squandering his good publicity here. I mean, we all understand if there's going to be a delay, but at least talk to us. Or have one of his people talk to us. A week is an eternity in the online world.
That's one of the main reasons I like Rifftrax so much; its truly a community and everyone is so accessible, from the board mods right up to the riffers. I think it's amazing and fantastic that the guys are writing the blog on this site, and not only that, when people leave comments, they sometimes answer them! That immediacy is priceless.
This is very smart on Mike and Legend's part; the few minutes it takes the riffers to write posts and type a couple comments every now and then pay off huge when it comes to building brand loyalty. (Not that I'm saying they write the blog for that reason--I think they're genuinely interested and enjoy it--but still, the effects are nothing but good.)
It makes me feel like a part of things around here. It makes me feel like more than just a customer. I hope things get better over at CT, and I'll certainly see what it has to offer, but Rifftrax is WAY WAY ahead for me where sentimental favoritism is concerned.
Yeah it does seem a shame that he might not get the publicity bump missing the date. Couldn't they have released the short they referred to earlier to keep up the interest or are they still working on that too?
....and where is our informant?
Man, you guys are soooo impatient, you start speculating wildly, "losing all your excitement", you gotta be kidding.
All will be forgotten upon release. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Just something to whet your appetite:
Here's a blog from someone at ILM where they talk about the show:
http://starwarsblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/report-from-cinematic-titanic/
Unfortunately, he gives very little details on the riffing itself. But we do get this picture:
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"Who, disguised as mild-mannered reporter Joel Hodgson, fights a never ending battle for truth, justice and the American Way."
Yes I suppose we could read it again. lol. ;D
I don't think this is a gift horse? He wants US to buy his product to make him money. Entertainment, while entertaining, is not a gift to the consumer. We are customers, afterall. Imagine if you went to get a sandwich at a Quiznos and they said, "I don't care if I take an hour to make your sandwich. I'm kinda doing you a favor here. We're better than Subway and you don't have to cook."
This is a product. CT needs lessons in marketing. :)
I was pretty much expecting them to be delayed. The writing and performance at the live show was the easy part, they used to write a show and film it in about a week, but when they sent the survey out asking us preferred media options that said to me they just weren't ready. I'm guessing the "Physical DVD" choice was probably a higher percentage than they expected and they're preparing accordingly. Release dates with things get pushed back. It happens.
And I'm glad they didn't just say next week, then next week, then next week. That's what gets frustrating. They said delay and probably aren't gonna announce the release date until everything is ready to go this time.
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 18, 2007, 12:30:46 PM
I don't think this is a gift horse? He wants US to buy his product to make him money. Entertainment, while entertaining, is not a gift to the consumer. We are customers, afterall. Imagine if you went to get a sandwich at a Quiznos and they said, "I don't care if I take an hour to make your sandwich. I'm kinda doing you a favor here. We're better than Subway and you don't have to cook."
This is a product. CT needs lessons in marketing. :)
Agreed.
Whether or not it is a forgiveable offense is a matter of personal opinion, but it cannot be denied that missing an announced deadline has a negative impact on your overall image (maybe not with hardcore fans, but not all fans are hardcore, and this WILL cost them sales in the long run). Releasing a product before it's ready has a similar negative effect (ala the MST3K bots cartoon and "revamped" site).
Quote from: Imrahil on December 18, 2007, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 18, 2007, 12:30:46 PM
Imagine if you went to get a sandwich at a Quiznos and they said, "I don't care if I take an hour to make your sandwich. I'm kinda doing you a favor here. We're better than Subway and you don't have to cook."
The underlined part is a dirty lie! LIE!
True... but although it would certainly be an honest advertising campaign, you can't expect Quiznos to come out with a commercial that says, "We don't taste as good at subway... but at least we charge you more!" ;)
Lets not forget "plus we heat every thing regardless of ingredient so the grease is omnipresent."
Why did subway follow suit even if they thankfully make it optional.
I guess what I meant was, it feels like a "gift" to have this project on the horizon. Maybe I'm jaded, I've been let down by so-called "release dates" so many times in so many things, maybe I've just come to expect it. It just isn't making me crazy, that's all. It will be out when it's out.
Have a big snifter of Bailey's. It fixes everything.
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Seeing how no one was expecting this project a few months ago I think you can all manage to wait a little longer.
Quote from: Chaos on December 18, 2007, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 18, 2007, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 18, 2007, 12:30:46 PM
Imagine if you went to get a sandwich at a Quiznos and they said, "I don't care if I take an hour to make your sandwich. I'm kinda doing you a favor here. We're better than Subway and you don't have to cook."
The underlined part is a dirty lie! LIE!
True... but although it would certainly be an honest advertising campaign, you can't expect Quiznos to come out with a commercial that says, "We don't taste as good at subway... but at least we charge you more!" ;)
GASP! I love Quiznos and hate Subway. Eh, that is what makes the world go around.
With the holidays and stuff coming out, I can wait until next week or in early January. But i would have been nice to just post a short blurb on their website.
QuoteQuoteAn entire week and we haven't heard anything...maybe everyone died...
Everyone except Molly Brown.
I hugely enjoy any and all Molly Brown references. Well done, sir.
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is she enjoying the chocolate or immediately pre-puke there?
Quote from: Imrahil on December 18, 2007, 01:37:09 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on December 18, 2007, 12:58:14 PM
is she enjoying the chocolate or immediately pre-puke there?
I was very confused by the image at first. Thought it was some sort of weird paedophiliac thing and then realized it was from Willy Wonka. Yikes.
There's a difference??
People aren't demanding a new release date though, they are just asking for an update.
Delays happen, and after the fact it probably won't even be remembered (unless it really drags on for a long time) but it would NOT be a big deal to make a little post to keep the people checking the site every day happy. That just seems polite to me.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 18, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
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Didnt Pete Townshend get busted for having images like this on his PC?
(yes, I know he only had them for a book he was writing on child porn - so he says and I give him the benefit of the doubt)
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 18, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 18, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
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Didnt Pete Townshend get busted for having images like this on his PC?
(yes, I know he only had them for a book he was writing on child porn - so he says and I give him the benefit of the doubt)
But what happened to that book?
Quote from: pyro on December 18, 2007, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 18, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 18, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
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Didnt Pete Townshend get busted for having images like this on his PC?
(yes, I know he only had them for a book he was writing on child porn - so he says and I give him the benefit of the doubt)
But what happened to that book?
I would've been teriffied about trying to continue if it was me. :)
You know, they never actually said Christmas of THIS YEAR. They were, of course, refering to Christmas of 2018. Everyone just assuuuumed they meant this year. Boy, talk about wishful thinking. You guys are so impatient! DIdn't you get all the time capsule references? They have already filmed and manufactured the first release, but it's not to be opened until 2018. You buy it now and get it later. Then you can tell your kids how you ordered this before they were born. So it's like MST3K except you don't have to be nostalgic about it, because you can watch all the movies for the first time in the future. I mean, did you think Trace was toiling over a FAKE time capsule?
A gentleman on the MST3K forum are reporting that he ran into Frank at one of his shows and he told him that the movie would come out "next week".
So, at least we know that delay was not due to them losing the rights to the movie or anything happening to them personally so something bad.
Ummmm that "gentleman" is a female lol... ;)
Quote from: RobynAnyway - you guuuys! Tonight I went to a live show of Cartoon Dump and talked to Frank(!!!) and he said that Cinematic Titanic will be coming out next week. So that's something. I suppose I should've been like "GAARR RAGE WHY FOR YOU MAKE US WAIT!?? *breaks stuff*" but it's nigh impossible to be mad at the guy. He's really really nice and friendly.
Also, J. Elvis was there as the comedy stand up, and any doubts I might've had about the guy are gone. He is one funny dude. My excitement is renewed. ;D
(As a side note, I asked Frank if he'd seen the new Mst3k.com, and he answered that he thought the toons would be perfect for Cartoon Dump. ;) )
Of couse, "next week" never really comes.
Free Beer Tomorrow !
Is that a proclamation or a command?
i.e. "There will be free beer tomorrow"? or "Beer must be set free tomorrow"?
FINALLY UPDATES!
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/
Wow. that was....vague.
lol updates of a sort, some new Silhouettes and a copy and paste from Mary Jo's blog. But they are alive!
I like the photos
Click on this link (http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/) after midnight EST to buy the Oozing Skull.
I just got the email too!!! I'm sick, but now I'll be up all night downloading and watching this... fuck nyquil, the 'rents will have to deal with my coughing for a few more hours
The email ended up in my spam folder and I accidentally deleted it with the others. It wasn't until after I already clicked "delete all" that I noticed "Cinematic Titanic" among the senders. Ah, well.
So where's the free holiday doohickey they promised us email club members?
Still waiting on my email notification, too.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! The trailer is awesome!
I ended up getting an email confirmation to a second email I used (also on gmail) and it went to the spam folder but I never noticed it, then about a week later they sent another one that went to the inbox and I actually just confirmed that one yesterday..... try registering with a new email and just click to forward everything from them or everything overall to your regular email, it's working for me
SHIPPED ONLY?!?!? What is this BS?
WOOOOOTT, Just turned into LAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMEEEEEE:
From EZTAKES:
QuoteNOTE: Because of the high demand for this title, DVDs ordered today will ship within 10 business days. Thanks for your patience (we're manufacturing the discs as fast as we can). We also won't be able to let people download this DVD until April 2008 (some sort of rights issue with the original movie owner).
This bites ass!
Ah, you all beat me to it. Maybe that was the delay?
heh, someone already rated it 5 stars.
goddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.... one huge build up to disappointment after another...
I knew that outfit wouldn't have the muscle to meet the demand.
And it's not available to people in the UK either.... :grr:
Well this could be the fault of the distributing site now. Wish they would've had the download section available immediately though. I'm gonna refresh during the evening.
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I always said that i prefer an actual DVD... but i was ready to download this the minute it became available! There was no way that i was going to wait while all you guys were watching this for the very first time on a Friday night. I was ready for the big premier. I was willing to give the whole thing a try...
Argh! This is frustrating, isn't it?
-Rude
You want fustraiting? With the luck we're having so far wait 3 more weeks till you actually receive it and it turns out they've sent out the unriffed version :o
Quote from: Rude on December 21, 2007, 09:08:55 PM
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I always said that i prefer an actual DVD... but i was ready to download this the minute it became available! There was no way that i was going to wait while all you guys were watching this for the very first time on a Friday night. I was ready for the big premier. I was willing to give the whole thing a try...
Argh! This is frustrating, isn't it?
-Rude
It is still a DVD-R with no cover.
And the video preview looks awesome as well... Anybody wanna buy me a copy and sent it on over? :)
Quote from: killeroo on December 21, 2007, 09:37:33 PM
Hehe, stiffy pop. Classic. This looks awesome. Too bad they didn't get the rights for downloading. Guess I can't complain since I said in the survey that I'd rather have a dvd. I'd prefer one with a case though.
I would prefer a manufactured DVD instead of burns.
16 bills a pop plus shipping time...I have never bitched about any pricing here ('tis more than fair) but 16 bucks and a wait! Damn, I am spoiled!
I know, they do have to pay 5 people...fly to LA to record now...I see this as something fun once in a while. I'm gonna see how you all like it first before I shell out, but I am such a tool I know I will anyway.
I've always enjoyed the trio we have here. Crow was always my favorite character so it is actually Trace's fault I loved MST3K, but Bill has the darkest sense of humor of all of them all (IMHO) and the last 3 seasons of MST3k were better for me (and I was down in '92 bitches). Plus I enjoy the instant gratification the Rifftrax format has to offer.
That said, 5 people that funny can't fail. They seem to have more of a Film Crew thing...
I've already ordered mine.
I am disappointed that we can't just download it now, but I can imagine how sweet it will be when it shows up in the mail in the next 2-3 weeks.
Who ever would have thought that we would live in a world where we have the entire archive of MST3K available, 4 Fiim Crew movies, 50 Rifftrax and now a Cinematic Titanic. We are in riffing Valahalla!
CMS
See, this is what I thought was so brilliant about Rifftrax and why I supported it right from the beginning. No rights issues, (I'm assuming) low overhead costs, and nearly instant gratification for the fans. You just have to be tech savvy enough to sync up the audio and most of us had no trouble with that. I was wondering what they were going to have to charge for these DVDs to make it worth their while, it sure wasn't going to be $3.99. Giant green screens don't pay for themselves. That being said, I hope it's profitable for them. I just ordered my copy, now we play the waiting game.
Aww... the waiting game sucks! Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos!
:'(
Does anyone think there is any chance of this becoming a real dvd, that you could buy from a regular store...cause I don't think us lot who live outside the US have much of a chance of getting otherwise, even when it does come out for download, I imagine getting the international rights would just be a mess on a film like this
Quote from: mrbasehart on December 21, 2007, 09:06:15 PM
And it's not available to people in the UK either.... :grr:
And of course, Joel's site has no customer feedback or contact us information or forum, so you can't even have a decent moan about this "not available in your country" kick in the teeth.
Anybody have an address for Joel's team so I can vent?
See what you've done, Rifftrax? You've spoiled us. :^)
Doesn't look like their distributor is set up to ship to US Military overseas either -- it won't accept and APO Address. That means that just cut out half a million soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen from ordering their product also.
The master wouldn't approve.
I know it's usually $10 for a Rifftrax DVD plus $4 for the Rifftrax, if you're lucky, but Cinematic Titanic seems really expensive for movies that we know are crap. I mean, this used to be on TV for free. Why can't they make money from advertising the way everyone else in the known galaxies does?
A) It stinks we have to wait for the discs to ship
B) It's released! C'mon, guys, let's be happy that after the madness of the holidays we'll all be laughing in the new Year with CT - it'll be perfect for the Holiday letdown period!
If anyone feels like sticking a few on eBay for those outside the U.S... ;D
Yay it's out.... oh....
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Lame, lame, lame. :(
Quote from: bratpop on December 22, 2007, 03:38:06 AM
I know it's usually $10 for a Rifftrax DVD plus $4 for the Rifftrax, if you're lucky, but Cinematic Titanic seems really expensive for movies that we know are crap. I mean, this used to be on TV for free. Why can't they make money from advertising the way everyone else in the known galaxies does?
Since Mike doesn't have to pay a dime for rights to any of the movies he riffs he can charge next to nothing for the riff. Plus, he's already employed by Legend and they provide the sound booth where he records all of the Rifftrax. It's not like he has to rent it out or anything.
Joel and the Cinematic Titanic crew not only have to pay for the film rights. They also have to cover flight expenses, renting out a studio to record their episodes, and paying a camera crew.
Plus, it's not like Rifftrax is awesome about advertising. It's the fans word of mouth that keeps Rifftrax going more than anything else. I'm sure Joel is counting on Cinematic Titanic to work the same way.
And when it comes to CT, we're not really paying the $16.00 for the movie; we're paying $16.00 to see a really bad movie get riffed. If that doesn't appeal to you stick with Rifftrax.
Quote from: PsypherPunk on December 22, 2007, 04:34:12 AM
If anyone feels like sticking a few on eBay for those outside the U.S... ;D
I could bet we're going to see a lot of CT copies being "accidently" mailed to UK people by fellow Rifftrax members. :)
Yeah but unless they are officially burnt copies, they will be missing out on sales.
Well I put my order in, was really hoping to test out the download part of it. Here's hoping they get their act together for the next release and get the international side of things going too. I'm glad there's something from them out there, but they really seemed unprepared. An extra month or so of planning before the big announcement might have done wonders, it's not like they really had to worry about "competition" from the new mst3k.com (though to be fair they didn't know that at the time)
Well, whoever gets it first, let us know if it's any good. It looks like average early MST3k to me. I don't really get how it's more accessible to the general public unless they're leaving out obscure references. I'm disappointed this was the best Joel could come up with. It's just silhouettes again. Considering you can do limitless things with graphics and video, this isn't very creative. It looks weird to me with all these people standing up for a two hour movie. It makes a lot less sense than seeing people in theater seats. You get the feeling Joel just wanted to do MST3k again but couldn't get the rights, so he changed it a little. Like an Xbox controller switching the buttons around so they don't get sued by Sony. I'm curious to what the "host segments" or intro will be, but there's barely a twist to warrant a blind purchase. With Rifftrax, it's like... well, it's cheap and they're finally riffing stuff like The Matrix and Batman & Robin, and I don't even have to walk to the mailbox. But CT looks like MST: The Next Generation. Or maybe just "Generations" where everybody's a lot rounder. It's funny to think Joel left because he likes to create new things, and he had already created MST so he felt done with it, but then he disappears and comes back with this. The TV Wheel was brilliant, though I never saw the static-o-matic thing, but this doesn't feel new. They could have had fully lit people instead of silhouettes. Or cartoon characters. Or put weird CG objects on the screen in the hands of the movie characters. Or rotoscoped Joel's head in there and redubbed all a main character's lines. And I just came up with these ideas on the spot. Where's the creativity in Cinematic Titanic? It's just MST but with more silhouettes. Like Men in Black 2 is just like Men in Black but more wacky. That's what this feels like, a Hollywood rehash sequel. Where's the special device I plug into my TV to give me electric shocks and smellovision?
I ordered mine.
Meanwhile, Bratpop... you want CGI cartoons making fun of the movie? Um... wow.
I think the idea of sillouettes being able to interact with the movie at different levels, with more theatrical props, is a new enough thing to justify it's exsistence.
Meanwhile, I hate to say it, but CT and RT could BOTH easily be called MST3K 2.0. Accept it and enjoy it.
Quote from: bratpop on December 22, 2007, 03:38:06 AM
I know it's usually $10 for a Rifftrax DVD plus $4 for the Rifftrax, if you're lucky, but Cinematic Titanic seems really expensive for movies that we know are crap. I mean, this used to be on TV for free. Why can't they make money from advertising the way everyone else in the known galaxies does?
So you want commercials in the middle of the programming? I mean, that is how it worked on MST. ::)
I got mine ordered as well. Its too bad we can't download this, but i cant wait to see this whole thing together. The trailer looked really promising!
Let's just be happy Bratpop that we can see Joel again doing the riffing. I always liked his episodes and this does seem like there is a lot of potential for this (once the get the kinks out of it). I really think that with these silhouettes they can do a lot more, and its nice to see a few more people in the "theater" than just Joel/Mike and the Bots. Don't be too judgmental until you see them get these things going and are in the "groove."
Man, I dont visit the site or check my e-mail for a day and all heck breaks lose!
Ordered mine 5 minutes ago and since we waited 15 years or so to hear this group riff, we can wait the 10 days, come on people!
Stinks about only being available in region one..... like someone else wrote, this only shows the genius that is rifftrax in MP3 format and Divx.
Curious if later movies are available to be downloaded if you can order them overseas, I am sure you could (I hope).
For those outside region one, I could order you a copy and mail it to you (and/or burn as a region free disc) if we can settle up via paypal. I think that would make it all legal, right?
Well as I understand it, the Shipping-Only thing is a temporary situation. It bites to be one of the many who have to wait, but I don't think this was anyone's plan at all. No need to berate them for reacting in a crisis and trying to get SOMETHING out there for us. Especially after everyone was sitting around wishing for SOMETHING.
We may even get another downloadable release before this one's available via download, so the wait isn't even necessarily 'til February before we can all enjoy some Cinematic Titanic.
This was a glitch. Not the preferred distribution method. Let's see how future releases pan out.
Like I said before. Rifftrax has spoiled us. :^)
Quote from: bratpop on December 22, 2007, 06:43:30 AM
You get the feeling Joel just wanted to do MST3k again but couldn't get the rights, so he changed it a little.
That's exactly what happened Frank mentioned at the most recent Cartoon Dump that Joel wanted to restart MST3K but Jim wouldn't let him.
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 22, 2007, 08:35:26 AM
Stinks about only being available in region one..... like someone else wrote, this only shows the genius that is rifftrax in MP3 format and Divx.
Curious if later movies are available to be downloaded if you can order them overseas, I am sure you could (I hope).
For those outside region one, I could order you a copy and mail it to you (and/or burn as a region free disc) if we can settle up via paypal. I think that would make it all legal, right?
Well you wouldn't have to reburn it, it's nothing to do with the region or format, it's that Cinematic Titanic (for whatever reason) have told EZTakes "Don't allow sales of this title to people outside North America". Unfortunately if it was a download the situation would still be the same, it's not the media, it's just the licensing/distribution agreement is based on geography.
Quote from: RVR II on December 22, 2007, 09:26:43 AM
Hmm.. I tried to purchase it last night and it said "Not Available in your country"..
Guess cause I'm in Mexico. Must be for US & Canada only then.
I wanted to place my order so that way I'd have it when I got home January 9 :'(
Hey RVR, give me your address and all your credit card information and I'll order it for you. ;)
Quote from: BathTub on December 22, 2007, 09:14:55 AM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 22, 2007, 08:35:26 AM
Stinks about only being available in region one..... like someone else wrote, this only shows the genius that is rifftrax in MP3 format and Divx.
Curious if later movies are available to be downloaded if you can order them overseas, I am sure you could (I hope).
For those outside region one, I could order you a copy and mail it to you (and/or burn as a region free disc) if we can settle up via paypal. I think that would make it all legal, right?
Well you wouldn't have to reburn it, it's nothing to do with the region or format, it's that Cinematic Titanic (for whatever reason) have told EZTakes "Don't allow sales of this title to people outside North America". Unfortunately if it was a download the situation would still be the same, it's not the media, it's just the licensing/distribution agreement is based on geography.
Hmm.. I tried to purchase it last night and it said "Not Available in your country"..
Guess cause I'm in Mexico. Must be for US & Canada only then.
I wanted to place my order so that way I'd have it when I got home January 9
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on December 22, 2007, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: RVR II on December 22, 2007, 09:26:43 AM
Hmm.. I tried to purchase it last night and it said "Not Available in your country"..
Guess cause I'm in Mexico. Must be for US & Canada only then.
I wanted to place my order so that way I'd have it when I got home January 9 :'(
Hey RVR, give me your address and all your credit card information and I'll order it for you. ;)
Sure Thing! If you got Bill to go for that 'Nigerian 419 ' thing, I'd Trust Ya..
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That's exactly what happened Frank mentioned at the most recent Cartoon Dump that Joel wanted to restart MST3K but Jim wouldn't let him.
Wow. If that is indeed the case, that's just... wow.
Quote from: LadyKenobi on December 22, 2007, 10:03:54 AM
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That's exactly what happened Frank mentioned at the most recent Cartoon Dump that Joel wanted to restart MST3K but Jim wouldn't let him.
Wow. If that is indeed the case, that's just... wow.
I wonder if that made Jim restart MST3k by himself....
Initially I was excited... now I'm disappointed. I have little confidence in the distribution company and the price is too high for a crap movie on a burned disc. CT may have already lost a customer. I'll wait and see how things unfold, but for now they're not getting my money.
Quote from: http://www.eztakes.com/(2) We won't be able to let people download this until sometime next year (some sort of rights issue with the original movie owner).
Damn it.
Quote from: jewishcarpenter on December 22, 2007, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: http://www.eztakes.com/(2) We won't be able to let people download this until sometime next year (some sort of rights issue with the original movie owner).
Damn it.
yeah, they are staying it will probably be in April of next year.
That kind of confuses me, I mean, is there currently another service that offers Brain of Blood for download, but won't in april?
It's available on Amazon.... I don't see why Amazon would have the full rights to downloads of it though...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PD6U42/ref=atv_dvd_mov_buy/103-9277247-8158226
Interesting.
Well, I was also one of the people who were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at first, but I'm pretty much giving CT a pass at this point.
$16 for a burned disc is a complete ripoff. Frankly, I wouldn't pay $16 for a physical DVD that I bought in the store, either... this kind of entertainment (especially untested) just isn't worth that much to me personally.
Whether or not these delays and problems were directly CT's fault is irrelevant... the result is that it still reflects very badly on them as a new venture that they were delayed, and that they don't have the capabilities for purchase they originally suggested they would, that there are mass delays in shipping, and they can't offer the downloads. Even if 90% of that is because of the original owner of the movie rights giving them problems, or shortcomings on behalf of the distributor, those are still decisions that CT was involved in, and it just adds to the general feeling of unpreparedness I feel when I think about the venture.
You can call me a cynical economist if you like, but I yam what I yam... and I think I'll give them a pass unless / until the price drops to a reasonable level, I can download it and burn it myself (since they aren't offering actual DVDs in professional cases), and I've had a chance to sit and watch an entire episode from a friend who is more willing to shell out money for something that might or might not suck than I am.
And hey, I just want to say clearly... I'm not trying to dissuade anyone else from taking part, I'm just saying I don't think this is my bag, baby.
Quote from: Chaos on December 22, 2007, 11:59:24 AM
$16 for a burned disc is a complete ripoff. Frankly, I wouldn't pay $16 for a physical DVD that I bought in the store, either... this kind of entertainment (especially untested) just isn't worth that much to me personally.
Agreed. Hell... I didn't pay that much for my two-disc set of Blade Runner... and that's one of my favorite movies of all time.
Quote from: http://www.eztakes.com(3) Although we can only sell in the US now, we think we'll also be able to ship to our friends in Canada soon. Please check back (we hope to know by Dec 27th).
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They did offer a free preview of the film and the whole Cinematic Titanic experience, so you don't really have to go into your purchase completely blind.
Although that didn't help me much, since the new version of Quicktime conflicts with Affect Effects... which means that i couldn't actually view the legit version of the preview. Thankfully some kind soul already put it up on YouTube, so i got to check it out. And it looks like fun!
-Rude
From what I have been able to put together from reading various things.......
They recorded the movie then after playing the live gig at "LucasLand", they realized they could record it again and add some extra jokes and change some things that shook out during the live gig. This was the reason for the delay...... they had to record it again. I for one, appreciate them going to the extra time and expense to make it better.
The rights they negoitated, to their surprise, was only for the DVD and not for downloads. I guess that is something that comes with changing technologies that they probably never anticipated. That is why we have the DVD-R option only for now. I take EZ TAKE made the "only ship to US" decision as a lot of companies only ship to their country of origin. I believe the next release (probably they can do one a month?) will not have this issue as "rights negoiting lessons learned" takes over.
And yes, if Mallon did put the death nail in BOTH the Film Crew and MST3K 2.0, then my hatred for him has grown.
I just hate when Politics and Red Tape put a damper on a good thing..
I'll keep an interest in this in between my drunken stupors..
QuoteI'll keep an interest in this in between my drunken stupors..
Just in case somebody needed a new post tag...
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 22, 2007, 12:13:27 PM
From what I have been able to put together from reading various things.......
They recorded the movie then after playing the live gig at "LucasLand", they realized they could record it again and add some extra jokes and change some things that shook out during the live gig. This was the reason for the delay...... they had to record it again. I for one, appreciate them going to the extra time and expense to make it better.
The rights they negoitated, to their surprise, was only for the DVD and not for downloads. I guess that is something that comes with changing technologies that they probably never anticipated. That is why we have the DVD-R option only for now. I take EZ TAKE made the "only ship to US" decision as a lot of companies only ship to their country of origin. I believe the next release (probably they can do one a month?) will not have this issue as "rights negoiting lessons learned" takes over.
And yes, if Mallon did put the death nail in BOTH the Film Crew and MST3K 2.0, then my hatred for him has grown.
He killed the Film Crew too? and man... as much fun as CT looks like, I still miss the bots....
Also, as far as previews go, they did promise us a holiday special (though they really only have 3 days left...).. What happened to our inside man?
I was wondering about that too. Maybe they just thought that the trailer was the "special" gift
It seems they really need someone like Legend Films to help them with the distribution side of things...
Not if they're going to send them to divx :speechless:
Quote from: pyro on December 22, 2007, 02:23:27 PM
Not if they're going to send them to divx :speechless:
Rifftrax uses DIVX, Legend release the Rifftrax complete DVDs. I think it could be a good match, though I don't know if it would be some sort of conflict of interests.
I know, I couldn't resist though.... But I think that CT would probably be better off for physical DVDs by distributing through Legend, but I still like the idea of downloading to DVD ISO's through eztakes, though the price could be lowered a couple $$'s... Ideally they would be picked up by IFC or G4 or something though and we could watch them for free(ish)
I think we both agree that Rhino won't be distributing them anytime soon... ;)
I keep forgetting they still exist
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 22, 2007, 12:13:27 PM
And yes, if Mallon did put the death nail in BOTH the Film Crew and MST3K 2.0, then my hatred for him has grown.
Wait, how did Mallon stop the film crew? It had nothing to do with MST3k, right?
Quote from: Doctor Manhattan on December 22, 2007, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on December 22, 2007, 12:13:27 PM
And yes, if Mallon did put the death nail in BOTH the Film Crew and MST3K 2.0, then my hatred for him has grown.
Wait, how did Mallon stop the film crew? It had nothing to do with MST3k, right?
Film Crew was originally made for Rhino. Apparently (I just have second hand info on this) Mallon stepped in and said it was too much like MST3K, and that Rhino couldn't release both. Since MST3K is a good seller for Rhino they didn't have much of a choice and pulled the plug. That's why a couple years past between TFC being shot and it being released by another company.
I'm still waiting for the Darkstar (http://www.darkstar.gs/ (http://www.darkstar.gs/)) game to be released. But I am glad to see Joel out and about with some of the group again.
However, with the start of Rifftrax, Filmcrew, Cinematic Titanic, MST3K.com, all of that just gives me unwarranted hope of seeing a new Mystery Science movie or episode one day. I can dream, can't I?
Just watched the trailer and now I'm excited again. Forgot how much I enjoyed having silhouettes. Not the same as before but pretty funny non the less.
QuoteThat's exactly what happened Frank mentioned at the most recent Cartoon Dump that Joel wanted to restart MST3K but Jim wouldn't let him.
Er... well I'm kind of glad, actually. Bringing out the old bots and having Joel and Trace and, of all people, Elvis back in the ring again would just be way too Twilight Zone, especially with the age difference and continuity issues. That would be too weird for me. I've had MST comeback dreams less bizarre.
It's just, the old cast seems just that. Old. They feel too unhip for me now. Kevin watched a movie every day for a year and wrote a book about it. Mike's written a couple of movie inspired books, and did that LOTR parody. I don't know what Joel has done for a single day of his life since he left, let alone a year. And we always heard about their other projects but most were obscure at best. I feel the guys are out of touch with popular culture, but I also feel out of touch with them. Who ARE these people in 2007/2008?
The Legend Films DVDs were fine from what I've seen, but still a step backwards from MST. Rifftrax is a step forward... for all humanity. CT feels like a step backwards. And slightly sideways.
Have you watched the trailer yet?
http://www.cinematictitanic.com/PromoBIG.mov (http://www.cinematictitanic.com/PromoBIG.mov)
they seem in touch with pop culture to me, it's not like they've been living in a cave for the last 10 years or anything
Yeah, I downloaded it, and printed out every frame on a t-shirt. And then I married it.
Scaffolding is SO last year.
Quote from: bratpop on December 23, 2007, 02:34:41 AM
Yeah, I downloaded it, and printed out every frame on a t-shirt. And then I married it.
Scaffolding is SO last year.
You don't know what you're talking about. Do some research.
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Hodgson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Hodgson)
*scratches head* That entry says nothing about scaffolding. Oh, I must have been thinking of Joel Rodgson of CineMAGIC Titanic. Yes, so sorry.
Really, what was I supposed to not know? Cos I knew all of that. Do you work for Confuse-a-Cat?
Do I have to come to your house, take your hand, and force you to click on links and read. Why do you insist on negatively speculating about future events. Yes you have the right to your opinion, but the first movie isn't even out yet. Can you save you bile until after?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 23, 2007, 05:15:35 AM
Do I have to come to your house, take your hand, and force you to click on links and read.
Would I have to pay for that?
Send me a headshot and your dimensions, and I'll let you know.
No downloadable service? That makes me sad...looks like I'll just have to wait a couple of weeks for it to get here.
I thought I remember reading somewhere that it'd be priced at $10.
No it was 'under 15' which it is, but then you tack on shipping.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 22, 2007, 05:08:33 PM
Film Crew was originally made for Rhino. Apparently (I just have second hand info on this) Mallon stepped in and said it was too much like MST3K, and that Rhino couldn't release both. Since MST3K is a good seller for Rhino they didn't have much of a choice and pulled the plug. That's why a couple years past between TFC being shot and it being released by another company.
Wow :o
I see that Joel has sort of explained what happened with the Cinema Titanic delay over on the website. He also explains why the title of the movie changed.
...
What i still don't get is why they decided to delay the original DVD when they intended to release the live performance anyway.
I mean, they wanted to make the first movie better by rerecording it... using some of the things that worked well during the live show at ILM. I can understand wanting to make the best show that you can. But since they're completely retooling their first DVD by using elements from the live show... are they not going to release the live show like they originally intended to? Is the first DVD going to be basically the same as the ILM performance now, just recorded in a studio? And if they're going to release the live performance eventually... was it worth delaying The Oozing Skull at all?
Personally, i would have liked to get the first DVD on time and then compare it to their live performance at ILM. I expect them to get better with each release anyway. Oh well, at least it's coming out at all, and will be on it's way to all of us very soon!
-Rude
PS- This means that there's some unreleased "pilot episode" out there somewhere now. How appropriate that after visiting Lucas Ranch, they decided to go back and tinker with something that they were already done with. Hopefully they didn't add a CGI Jabba.
Quote from: pyro on December 22, 2007, 01:33:41 PM
He killed the Film Crew too? and man... as much fun as CT looks like, I still miss the bots....
But "The Bots are BACK," man!!! ::)
I've never heard so much bitching in my life. I think some people will just never be happy.
I have paid for mine and now I have something to look forward to. I'm happy.
Carry on with your complaining...
A Special Thanks to PSL for placing my order yesterday since I could not while in Mexico.. :clap: :clap: :clap:
I personally am not too thrilled about the $15.94 cost for a DVD WithOut a Case either, BUT I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt based solely on the reputations of the 5 other MST3k Stars ( well, 4 of the 5; Don't know a whole lot about Weinstein other that the KTMA episodes, but still..).
It'll be there waiting when I get home from vacation ;D
Maybe some of you DVD cover pros can create a DVD cover for a regular and/or slimline dvd case (hint hint) :o
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 23, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
I've never heard so much bitching in my life. I think some people will just never be happy.
I have paid for mine and now I have something to look forward to. I'm happy.
Carry on with your complaining...
Really? I could have sworn there was more bitching in the numerous threads on Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or whoever else happens to be on the news each week that warrants a thread
Quote from: RVR II on December 23, 2007, 04:39:53 PM
Maybe some of you DVD cover pros can create a DVD cover for a regular and/or slimline dvd case (hint hint) :o
I steal my cases from Blockbuster, so I'll add a (nudge nudge) to that :clap:
I hate the new CG Frank-Frank Binks character.
Oh great, not available outside of the US.
Yeah not even Canada, a bit stink really.
Yeah, I'm with BEERxTaco that there's a bit too much complaining about this before anyone's seen the finished product, but the one exception is the whole US only thing. That's definitely worth bitching about.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 24, 2007, 03:52:17 AM
the one exception is the whole US only thing. That's definitely worth bitching about.
Agreed, that blows.
Anyone see Bill's "congratulations" post on the blog? Funny stuff...
Quote from: RoninFoxYeah, I'm with BEERxTaco that there's a bit too much complaining about this before anyone's seen the finished product...
I don't think that anyone is bitching about the actual product, because you're right... no one has even seen it yet. I'm sure it'll be great. The preview thing they posted looks awesome.
So the actual product doesn't have anything to do with it. We were just discussing how disappointed we were with the way things have been mishandled regarding the release date and whatnot. And even you would have to agree that things weren't quite up to snuff on the business end of Cinematic Titanic.
So, is there a way to discuss how bummed we were without being accused of bitching? ;)
-Rude
I just dont understand the pricing. $13 for download?? and $16 for a DVD-R in a sleeve. It wont be a blind purchase like Rifftrax is. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt on the first one, but really hope they drop the price at least on the download. Why didnt they set it at 9.99?? I also cant believe they dont have a forum or anything yet, the site just looks like a blog now.
Quote from: Qrusher14242 on December 24, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
I just dont understand the pricing. $13 for download?? and $16 for a DVD-R in a sleeve. It wont be a blind purchase like Rifftrax is. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt on the first one, but really hope they drop the price at least on the download. Why didnt they set it at 9.99?? I also cant believe they dont have a forum or anything yet, the site just looks like a blog now.
I'm hoping the high price is because this is so they can recoup the cost of the start-up. Plus it's the first time out and they might be a little worried about the kind of interest they'd generate.
Quote from: Qrusher14242 on December 24, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
I just dont understand the pricing. $13 for download?? and $16 for a DVD-R in a sleeve. It wont be a blind purchase like Rifftrax is. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt on the first one, but really hope they drop the price at least on the download. Why didnt they set it at 9.99?? I also cant believe they dont have a forum or anything yet, the site just looks like a blog now.
Have you ever opened a store on CafePress.com? It's a lot like that. It's not easy to make things cheap when you're using someone else's resources to distribute your product, if you still want to make a profit off your work. If the product becomes established enough to attract big-time attention, maybe they can get a better distributor with better resources and eventually have pressed DVDs and cases and all that fancy stuff. Really, though, it's the content that matters, and if I can get $16 worth of funny from the CT show, does it really matter how it was manufactured or if it has a case?
Someone on another board made a comparison to $9.99 iTunes downloads, but it's not a good one. Here are five reasons why:
- Movies on iTunes can't be burned to DVD
- Movies on iTunes aren't DVD quality.
- Movies on iTunes are generally well on their way to making back their costs, if they haven't already done so, having made millions at the box office.
- Movies on iTunes don't have Joel, Trace, Frank, Mary Jo, and J. Elvis riffing on them, some of them doing this for the first time in 15 years.
- Movies on iTunes don't give residuals to the writers.
While the download is more expensive for CT than for iTunes, I'd gladly pay iTunes another $3 to be able to download my purchased movies there in DVD quality and to burn them to a DVD, which is what you're getting with CT. Whether you'd do the same is a matter of personal taste, really, but still, its apples and oranges.
Niche products like CT (and Film Crew, and MST3K, for that matter) are also always more expensive because of the sheer quantity of product a big studio blockbuster sells. For much the same reason Wal-Mart has low prices (read: quantity, quantity, quantity), the studios' big movies can be sold for less than a niche product like CT, which you might think of as your local grocer (or music store or import game store or whatever tickles your fancy) who carries the special items the big stores don't have. Sure, they're more expensive, but you really like those things, so you buy them from him.
Joel and the gang provide us the riffing we can't get at Wal-Mart, so we'll buy them from them. As long as the riffing is of good quality, of course.
I guess i can understand the price, but i wont buy all of them like i do with Rifftrax cause it just costs too much. And i certainly wont pay $16 for a DVD-R in paper sleeve, its just not worth it. Maybe if it was a pressed dvd with a case and everything like The Film Crew. I would gladly pay less for a Divx(Not DRM) of it.
I will pay!!
Quote from: Isaac S. on December 24, 2007, 03:17:21 PM
Have you ever opened a store on CafePress.com? It's a lot like that. It's not easy to make things cheap when you're using someone else's resources to distribute your product, if you still want to make a profit off your work. If the product becomes established enough to attract big-time attention, maybe they can get a better distributor with better resources and eventually have pressed DVDs and cases and all that fancy stuff. Really, though, it's the content that matters, and if I can get $16 worth of funny from the CT show, does it really matter how it was manufactured or if it has a case?
With a store on Cafe Press you get crappy quality, crappy customer service and a crappy overall experience. It's often cheaper for you and the consumer to go to a local shop, get 20-30 shirts printed and sell those. The only reasons to use Cafe Press at all is their "network" for advertising, but CT already has that, the fact that you don't have to hassle with mailing them out and keeping up with money and the fact that you don't have to pre-print (but CT has a decent estimation of product sales by their mailing list subscribers).
I am disappointed CT isn't as professional as a local band trying to hock their CD, which I think is a better comparison than Cafe Press. If I ever order a local band's CD, it's generally reasonably priced, because they want to get the word about themselves out, and professionally stamped. It's also distributed in a professional manner. It just seems like there are cheaper, better options available. Much like I wouldn't buy a shirt from Mallon if he sold it on Cafe Press for $30, I won't buy a DVD from a company that is gouging me for a DVD-R.
Your analogy to cafe press and your later saying this is a way to recoup costs are contradictory. If this is a way to recoup start-up costs, it has nothing to do with distribution. If this price is a cause of their method of distribution, we can only hope they open their eyes and do something else soon because they aren't even getting most of our money. Some third party is. If you've ever had a cafe press shop, you know that you make very little for every product you sell. Cafepress makes a lot because they cut corners on quality of merchandise. I, myself, don't feel like paying a middle man a large percentage of the fee.
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 24, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
Your analogy to cafe press and your later saying this is a way to recoup costs are contradictory. If this is a way to recoup start-up costs, it has nothing to do with distribution. If this price is a cause of their method of distribution, we can only hope they open their eyes and do something else soon because they aren't even getting most of our money. Some third party is. If you've ever had a cafe press shop, you know that you make very little for every product you sell. Cafepress makes a lot because they cut corners on quality of merchandise. I, myself, don't feel like paying a middle man a large percentage of the fee.
It has everything to do with recouping startup costs. Would you prefer they bought DVD-R duplicators and did it themselves? That may mean they make more of the money for themselves, but it would eat up a lot of their time. More likely, they'd have to pay a staff to do it, and the price point would then remain the same. Or do you know of a place that will press discs for less and/or provide the bandwidth to download a 4GB DVD for less, because if so, shoot the CT folks an e-mail or leave it as a comment on their survey or something. I'm sure they'd love to hear it. For the record, I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm serious. I'm sure they did their research, but if they missed a better option, I bet they'd love to know about it.
I'm not saying their current method comes off as terribly professional, because it doesn't, but I
am saying that the product is what it is, and if we want them to get better, we need to support their initial efforts. This is the method they're going with, like it or not. No one is going to come along and offer them an opportunity to produce a better product (pressed DVDs, cases, etc.) if their current product isn't selling well. A potential financial backer will take it as a sign that no one wants the content, not that no one liked the method of delivery.
Really, folks, isn't it all about content? Does the packaging really matter that much to you? A DVD-R plays the same on your DVD player as a pressed disc. The packaging may look nice on the shelf, but it doesn't do much. I know I've paid $16 or more for single-DVD Rhino MST3K releases. Yes, they came with packaging and were pressed DVDs, but what I was really paying for was the content. I bought it for the show, not for the box. Maybe that's just me. I pay for the show itself. I couldn't care less about the packaging. And I think this show will be worth the $16 (and even more so, the $13 for the future downloads).
Edit: Something else I just thought about. Yes, it's cheaper to get shirts made in bulk, but CafePress is all about the ease of use, and the on-demand nature of the thing. No worries about dealing with unsold merchandise, and no shelling out big bucks in advance. If it doesn't sell, it's never made. Same thing for EZTakes/DVD Wagon. Again, it comes down to support. Bottom line: if we give them enough financial support with this release and any other they sell this way, it will aid them in building up some cash with which to invest in better technology, better options, if their fans aren't satisfied with this method. I guess, personally, I just fail to understand why it even matters when the content itself is what we're really after here, and that's going to be the same regardless or DVD-R/pressed and package/no package issues.
One issue is, ime, a pressed DVD lasts considerably longer than a DVD-R. I used to work in databases. We made daily backups with DVD-R media. Regardless of what the manufacturer says, even high quality DVD-Rs go bad at a pretty alarming rate that you notice when you're making hundreds a week. We would send backups off to climate controlled storage and when we got them back, we'd still have bad ones at a rate of about 10%. That's not much unless you're the 10% and your house isn't even climate controlled. Same goes for CD-Rs I made 10 years. Some of them just don't work.
I will repeat, if it has to do with the distribution system, it has nothing to do with startup costs. They aren't getting the extra money they're charging to recoup anything. If Joel had gone to some company with a decent presentation, they probably would have given him some resources without "proof" as in sales figures. Rifftrax is here. MST3k is on Rhino. He maybe has a large audience for his mailing lists. Companies will listen to that.
I'm not saying I know better. I'm saying if the teenage boys down the street can get me a professionally printed CD for $12, I expect it from Joel. I don't know anything about making DVDs. I don't know what companies do it. Perhaps Joel should talk to the teenage boys down the street. ;) At the very least, he should be apologetic about the quality and say, "We're looking for something better." or "just until we get off our feet."
Edit: I mentioned not buying in bulk in my post as a plus for cafe press. I also contended that CT has a mailing list filled with names of potential consumers. Perhaps not a perfect scenario, but a good basis for not having too much "extra content" to sell.
Quote from: Rude on December 24, 2007, 10:25:39 AM
So the actual product doesn't have anything to do with it. We were just discussing how disappointed we were with the way things have been mishandled regarding the release date and whatnot. And even you would have to agree that things weren't quite up to snuff on the business end of Cinematic Titanic.
So, is there a way to discuss how bummed we were without being accused of bitching? ;)
-Rude
Yes, I know, maybe I was just frustrated reading so much negativity. I really don't think anything was "mishandled" though. It's just the way it is. They delayed it to make it better. I'm okay with that. Their distribution is temporarily awkward (regarding download) due to rights issues. Kinda like when we could never see Catalina Caper on Comedy Central.
I agree they need to address their international following. It's a big chunk of the pie.
Here's hoping we'll all be happy and forget about startup issues after the ball's rolling. And while we're at it, let's hope the folks who are taking this whole CT vs RT thing WAY too seriously get a life...
Quote from: AmandaGal on December 24, 2007, 05:03:58 PM
One issue is, ime, a pressed DVD lasts considerably longer than a DVD-R. I used to work in databases. We made daily backups with DVD-R media. Regardless of what the manufacturer says, even high quality DVD-Rs go bad at a pretty alarming rate that you notice when you're making hundreds a week. We would send backups off to climate controlled storage and when we got them back, we'd still have bad ones at a rate of about 10%. That's not much unless you're the 10% and your house isn't even climate controlled. Same goes for CD-Rs I made 10 years. Some of them just don't work.
I will repeat, if it has to do with the distribution system, it has nothing to do with startup costs. They aren't getting the extra money they're charging to recoup anything. If Joel had gone to some company with a decent presentation, they probably would have given him some resources without "proof" as in sales figures. Rifftrax is here. MST3k is on Rhino. He maybe has a large audience for his mailing lists. Companies will listen to that.
I'm not saying I know better. I'm saying if the teenage boys down the street can get me a professionally printed CD for $12, I expect it from Joel. I don't know anything about making DVDs. I don't know what companies do it. Perhaps Joel should talk to the teenage boys down the street. ;) At the very least, he should be apologetic about the quality and say, "We're looking for something better." or "just until we get off our feet."
Edit: I mentioned not buying in bulk in my post as a plus for cafe press. I also contended that CT has a mailing list filled with names of potential consumers. Perhaps not a perfect scenario, but a good basis for not having too much "extra content" to sell.
Fair criticisms as far as the shelf life of DVD-R. I doubt, though, that's it's as easy as you imply it is to get financial backing for this sort of thing and still own 100% of it, which, after the ordeal with Mallon and BBI, I'm sure is a concern for Joel. DVDs and CDs are different animals. Do you know any aspiring directors who use pressed DVDs to distribute their films? (Sometimes my honest questions sound accusatory; I swear they're not.) And I bet this thing wouldn't have gotten off the ground nearly as soon had they gone that route. Goodness knows we were all in tears (well, I know I was) when December 10 came and went with no CT.
I'm friends with someone who's started a company to make a video game for a sort of niche market, and it hasn't been easy to get the thing funded and still own it, despite thousands of subscribers to his game's e-mail list and even
paid pre-orders. I'm sure the ownership thing is a big part of it for Joel and co. Who distributes this kind of niche content, though? Rhino's got MST3K and Mallon got the Film Crew out of Rhino on the basis that it would compete with MST3K, so that's a no-go. Shout! Factory has the Film Crew and is looking into doing more with them, so for similar reasons, they wouldn't want to get into that. Who else is left that would go for it? I also suspect that Joel and the gang liked the idea of downloadable DVDs (as do I), though it seems a majority of their audience doesn't care for it as much. That may be another large part of why they originally went with EZTakes before doing the survey.
I still disagree about the startup costs thing. I think we must both be (ahem) "talking" past each other. I know they don't get the extra money they're charging, but no doubt they have to charge that much to get the cut they need to get, keeping licensing movies and such in mind, with EZTakes likely taking the bulk of it. Or maybe it's simply a supply and demand thing. There's such a demand for this thing, it's taking them 10 days to ship. With that kind of demand, heck, prices could probably be higher. They obviously don't have the supply to meet it, so they could up the price (at least at first) so they even out.
Is it ideal? No. Does it allow them to publish their content and still own it? Yes. There are probably better options, but none would be as affordable as EZTakes for something just getting off the ground. And I'm willing bet the future will bring better options, though you're right that it'd be easier to make that bet if Joel would say so.
We may be stuck with EZTakes for a while with CT. I think we just have to live with it. It's easier for me, though, because I guess I just don't have the same issues with it that you and a lot of other folks seem to have. Your negatives are my positives (no bulky packaging, download-to-burn immediately) or neutrals (DVD-R vs. DVD, though I'll be rethinking that stance now that you've pointed out the reliability issues).
We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. :) We both want them to succeed, I'm sure, so whatever path they choose ultimately, let's just hope it brings them lots of good fortune.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 24, 2007, 05:40:24 PM
Here's hoping we'll all be happy and forget about startup issues after the ball's rolling. And while we're at it, let's hope the folks who are taking this whole CT vs RT thing WAY too seriously get a life...
And how! Well said.
I wonder if they realized they aren't going to be able to do that many movies a year and that's why the cost is higher than expected. They may not have realized getting the home video rights is far different than getting broadcast rights... That's where RiffTrax has an advantage, no rights to negotiate and no sets to build...
I wish the preview had fewer clips that were longer, it's hard to get a real sense of the flow of the show with the short clips. But it was real nice to hear those voices again.
It looks like the 2 groups are playing to their strengths, I think Joel was always more into the props and sight gags than Mike.
Quote from: Isaac S. on December 24, 2007, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 24, 2007, 05:40:24 PM
Here's hoping we'll all be happy and forget about startup issues after the ball's rolling. And while we're at it, let's hope the folks who are taking this whole CT vs RT thing WAY too seriously get a life...
And how! Well said.
QFT. You have no idea how much I want that.
$15.94 is excessive for any dvd. If the CT crew does several dvds and the prices come down, then cool. But if they release 5 eposides and the price stays there, then it's way too much.
My shelves are busting with mst3k tapes and dvd's that I've bought and traded, and now my hard drive is filling up with rifftrax (that I paid for), and I am very eagerly awaiting the first ep of CT. But the price just struck me as majorly excessive.
Lets breakdown who gets paid by the $15.94.
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Joel
Trace
Josh
Frank
Mary Jo
EzTakes
DVD Wagon
Whoever has to get paid for the rights to the movie
Whoever owns that big ass studio they use.
The Crew to run said studio
The director and producer of the episode: (oozing blood = Tim Ford and Stoney Sharp)
MrDeath
And there are probably more people and costs involved. Like it or not Cinematic Titanic and MST3K and RiffTrax is a niche product, so you really can't compare prices to mainstream movies/DVD releases that are going to sell more units in one day than CT is going to sell all year.
It's just a matter of personal priorities I guess. If you want it, you'll pay for it. I don't think $15 is price-prohibitive. I spend way more than that on pizza and beer in an evening and have nothing left to show for it except tight pants.
You know, I used to pay 31 cents for a gallon of gas in the seventies. I never would have thought I'd be paying $2.80 a gallon (local prices may vary).
Everything has a price, it's just a matter of what you want to spend your money on. There is no right or wrong. It's your choice.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 26, 2007, 12:02:19 PM
I don't think $15 is price-prohibitive. I spend way more than that on pizza and beer in an evening and have nothing left to show for it except tight pants.
Really like that pizza and beer, huh? :rimshot:
uh-huh :)
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.central-cinema.com%2Fimages%2Flogos%2FPizzaBeerWeb.jpg&hash=22bd5e13eca66e6dd31e67f65db01ba44e504385)
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Huh... i would've figured you for a beer and taco man. ;)
-Rude
Think about how much you would be spending per CT if it used the Rifftrax model and you bought the movie on dvd separately then downloaded the CT content. It's not that much more expensive. Those who rent dvds for Rifftrax might see a big difference in price, but for those of us that buy often as possible so we can keep watching it doesn't seem like it should be that big a deal price-wise.
So, speaking of renting, anybody know if these CT movies will be rentable?
Only if a company buys copies to have for rental.
Has anybody recieved theirs yet? I'm waiting for a review. Has one been posted?
If it sound good, I'd be willing to pay for it to see (since I can't rent it first).
The more riffing the better, I think it great (and this comes from a guy solidly on the Mike side of the Mike vs. Joel debate). I just want to give them a chance. But at $15, they only get one from me.
The price is prohibitive for people, I mean after currency conversion and extra shipping cost it's going to be 30 dollars for me (for a burnt DVD!). But I will certain dig into my pocket for the first few, but I really hope that sales justify a drop in price, or they get a distribution deal that allows them to do 'proper' DVD releases that make to to general online retailers like amazon and such.
Ah, didn't take overseas shipping into account there, that does make a major difference. Another thing they'll likely be flooded with complaints over, here's hoping they listen.
Overseas people will have to use a proxy server to download it when that becomes available because their service doesn't allow foreigners except for maybe Canadians.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 26, 2007, 07:00:51 PM
Overseas people will have to use a proxy server to download it when that becomes available because their service doesn't allow foreigners except for maybe Canadians.
It is not their service but rather the rights holder (Joel in this case) not having the distribution rights in foreign markets. I can bet you that Brain of Blood has at least a dozen foreign rights holders for different territories.
hello everyone my name is trajhver (Trevor) ..
this is my first post so i imagine this is where you all flame and hit me with paddles!
anyway i just wanted to say that i am so excited about CT ! and glad it's coming!
i can't wait to see frank again!!
"This ritual is called...Crossing the Desert."
Quote from: BathTub on December 27, 2007, 03:44:28 AM
"This ritual is called...Crossing the Desert."
Watch out for snakes!
Quote from: trajhver on December 27, 2007, 03:25:03 AM
hello everyone my name is trajhver (Trevor) ..
this is my first post so i imagine this is where you all flame and hit me with paddles!
anyway i just wanted to say that i am so excited about CT ! and glad it's coming!
i can't wait to see frank again!!
There's always Cartoon Dump if you can't wait to see him.
http://www.cartoondump.com/ (http://www.cartoondump.com/)
I hate to start rumors but I wouldn't at all be surprised if Joel and Co. don't plan on shopping Cinematic Titanic around to g4, spike, heck even comedy central and that they are doing these as sort of the pilots......
that is just wild speculation but you never know.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on December 27, 2007, 10:42:14 AM
I hate to start rumors but I wouldn't at all be surprised if Joel and Co. don't plan on shopping Cinematic Titanic around to g4, spike, heck even comedy central and that they are doing these as sort of the pilots......
that is just wild speculation but you never know.
I think ya got one too many double-negatives in there Saucy ;)
Quote from: SaucyRossy on December 27, 2007, 10:42:14 AM
I hate to start rumors but I wouldn't at all be surprised if Joel and Co. don't plan on shopping Cinematic Titanic around to g4, spike, heck even comedy central and that they are doing these as sort of the pilots......
that is just wild speculation but you never know.
As nice as that would be. Television has changed so much in the last 18 years when MST started. I seriously doubt anyone would commit to broadcasting a 2 hour original show. Which is really stupid since most of the stations you mention probably pay more to run 9 episodes of CSI: FILL IN THE BLANK in row everyday.
I still think G4 and IFC would be serious possibilities... it's just too bad Adult Swim doesn't have a channel as they'd possibly take it.... but Spike I couldn't really see happening, Comedy Central seriously unlikely too unless they through it on Saturday morning like the old days...
Also they do keep calling this first DVD the pilot
Frankly, with all the open cable broadcasting bandwidth these days, I'm suprised someone hasn't tried to start an MST3K-esque network called "The Riff Network." Picture a station that runs 24 hour content of MST3K episodes, CT episodes (as they become available), fake news shows, mockumentaries, RiffTrax (if they can get On Demand through DivX, it means they could theoretically get licencing to broadcast it with the movie as well), and any other related shows out there... how awesome would that be? ;)
Don't forget Cheap Seats...
I bought and am waiting for my DVD, and I'm thus far disappointed with the process. Joel mentioned that 3 out of 4 people preferred DVD over download, a poll I never recieved. However, it misses the point that people were expecting a professionally printed DVD with a box. THAT is something I'd be willing to pay $15 for, as many people did with the Film Crew releases. However, if all I'm going to get is a burned DVD, I'd much rather do it myself. Notice that the Burn and Ship option adds an additional $3 to the charge, meaning the download option would be $12. That's more reasonable, but I really think the sweet spot would be $10. I will say that they dropped the ball considerably by not having download available at launch. Yes, they had rights issues, but it might just have been a better idea to have a different movie at launch. All in all, if the product is of high quality then all this hassle is worth it, but they've definately dropped the ball for customer satisfaction.
Well, you could have waited for the download option in April... although for a measly 3 bucks, why wait?
There probably needs to be a poll to the tune of "How much would you be willing to spend on a CT product?"
I imagine they plan on one a month?
Quote from: BEERxTaco on December 27, 2007, 01:22:04 PM
Well, you could have waited for the download option in April... although for a measly 3 bucks, why wait?
Unfortunately this is unlikely to help out non USA fans like myself.
No one's stopping you from immigrating are they?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 27, 2007, 02:26:09 PM
No one's stopping you from immigrating are they?
Actually my application was sent in about April 2001....
That sucks, maybe Canada.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 27, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
That sucks, maybe Canada.
where he still couldn't get the first CT release...
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 27, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
That sucks, maybe Canada.
Yeah, he could be here inside 6 months. Or, just come over for a vacation, and fill out an application to stay while you're here. That's what I did. :)
Quote from: MrTorso on December 27, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 27, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
That sucks, maybe Canada.
where he still couldn't get the first CT release...
Yes, but the shipping would be less to get a friendly RiffTraxian to send it to him in Canada. ;)
I thought they said they were still waiting to see about Canadian downloads. So it could still be a possibility.
Well, if / when they get their act together regarding downloads of the movies, almost all services that are region specific use GeoIP to determine your location, so all you need to do is find a free anonymizer or rerouter based in the US, and you're good to go.
For the overseas fans send me a pm. I'd be willing to order and ship them to you.
Quote from: Chaos on December 27, 2007, 05:10:20 PM
Well, if / when they get their act together regarding downloads of the movies, almost all services that are region specific use GeoIP to determine your location, so all you need to do is find a free anonymizer or rerouter based in the US, and you're good to go.
As long as the anonymizer is a good one. I have seen quite a few that choke on anything but a basic website.
well my hope would be that the website just checks at the point of putting it in the cart, not continuously.
I use several proxies for various activities, and I can download at about 80-90% of my normal speed through several of them. It's just a matter of finding one that works well, and then making sure you don't lose track of the sucker. :)
If it's 10 business days and you bought it on the day it was available does that mean it ships on the 8th of January?
When I ordered mine on 12/26 they were predicting 2 weeks to burn and ship.
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
Zing!
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
I think you mean they need a new Sharpie.
Sharpie?! Woah there, big spender! We're dealing with a blue-ink ballpoint they stole from a local bank.
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
You joke but I spent half an hour the other day explaining to one of the VPs in our company how to drag a file from one window to the other. She was amazed that you could do that.
Quote from: RoninFox on December 31, 2007, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
I think you mean they need a new Sharpie.
Sharpie?! Woah there, big spender! We're dealing with a blue-ink ballpoint they stole from a local bank.
C'mon now, be fair.
They GIVE those pens out at the lobby nowadays. No need to STEAL them.
Quote from: jasimon1 on December 31, 2007, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
You joke but I spent half an hour the other day explaining to one of the VPs in our company how to drag a file from one window to the other. She was amazed that you could do that.
Wait till you show her the right click, it'll blow her mind
Quote from: CireDark on January 01, 2008, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on December 31, 2007, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on December 30, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: killeroo on December 30, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
The reason it takes so long is because the manufacturing system consists of a single lite-on 20x dvd burner and one part-time employee.
The part-time employee is the company owner's 80 year old grandmother, who still has problems with "right click." You can imagine how she does with DVD burning software... :)
Don't even mention the scroll wheel with center click, that could blow up the computer ya know...
They mention higher than expected demand, I guess the "expected" demand was what? 10? 20? They probably also need more ink for their disk printer...
I think you mean they need a new Sharpie.
Sharpie?! Woah there, big spender! We're dealing with a blue-ink ballpoint they stole from a local bank.
C'mon now, be fair.
They GIVE those pens out at the lobby nowadays. No need to STEAL them.
They liked the ones with the beaded chain better, they yanked it off so most of the beads were on their end.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 23, 2007, 04:45:58 AM
Quote from: bratpop on December 23, 2007, 02:34:41 AM
Yeah, I downloaded it, and printed out every frame on a t-shirt. And then I married it.
Scaffolding is SO last year.
You don't know what you're talking about. Do some research.
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Hodgson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Hodgson)
Quite educational, and thought provoking.I love this in particular:
From the Wiki:
QuoteHe performed several minutes of his act on a November 12, 1983, airing of Saturday Night Live, hosted by Teri Garr. An infamous prop during the performance was a time bomb. During the act, Hodgson would announce that he only had three minutes to perform. He would then reveal the time bomb, and proclaim, "We ALL have three minutes." The prop department thought they could make a better time bomb than the one Hodgson had, which was used in the show. They gave Hodgson the prop as a gift, but he decided that he liked his own bomb better, and left the NBC prop in his hotel room. When he arrived in Minneapolis, he was greeted by the FBI. It appears that a cleaning lady found the bomb, thought it was real, and three floors had to be evacuated. The next day, New York Daily News headline announced that "SNL Comedian Bombs In New York".
Also, I read the article on Jim Mallon as well
Oh, and here's a link to the 'Onion AV Club' interview in '99:
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/23008 (http://www.avclub.com/content/node/23008)
The fact of the matter is, back when Joel left the show, I assumed that there was some bad blood between he and Mike. I didn't have any proof, and now that I know differently, I feel kind of foolish.
From the Wiki:
QuoteHodgson reportedly chose MST3K head writer Michael J. Nelson to be his replacement as host because he felt that Nelson was a natural leader, a gifted comedian (as well as a musician, handling most of the show's musical numbers), and, additionally, he thought Nelson looked good standing next to the show's puppets.
Once again, this just speculation, but I think that everyone over at CT was just excited to get 'back in the game' once they saw how much success Mike Kevin, and Bill were having, and by success, I mean fun. Probably Mike had an advantage in regards to having Legend Films resources at his disposal. Not just actual facilities and equipment, but perhaps insight into the best way to proceed with a both the overall format, as well as the means of distribution. It has been made readily apparent that Joel is more at ease behind the camera than in front of it. Moreover they are artists, and sometimes (even if a bit reluctant, such as with Joel) performers.
From The AV Club Interview:
QuoteI think what made the show work for me was that I really loved it. I really liked the audience, and the whole process was... I was really happy doing it, and I realized that I'd turn into Jerry Lewis or something if I started to kind of hate it. And that was starting to happen, just because of these conflicts I was having internally with Jim. I had a pretty good deal set up, so if I left, it would be okay. If Jim wanted to run the show his way and it succeeded, I would make money on it. And if it didn't work, that would be okay, too. It was just kind of the way to do it.
So I want to personally doff my chapeau to the members of Team CT and RT. Even with all that has happened you were a class act, each and every one of you. You wouldn't be the first to become bitter, and bitch, whine and moan about how someone did you wrong, but you didn't. You do what you do because you love it, and if it makes people laugh and feel better about them selves, well that's fine too. Fame and fortune are nothing to sneeze at, mind you, but it's not he end all be all...
As for Jim, I'm torn...
....
Is he more of a money-grubbing talentless hack butt-mime, or a petulant greedy rump-beret?
The "internal conflicts with Jim" struck me as the most interesting quote. Does anyone notice a creative change (apart from the host) in the series between Mike and Joel? Any evidence that Jim changed the way the show was run?
New posts on the website now.
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And with something as little and goofy as that theme song post, i'm excited all over again.
-Rude
Yeah, that's a pretty funny little post there, I even quite liked the first version of the theme tune. :)
Yeah, that's a great way to write a song. Good use for Garageband.
Quote from: mrbasehart on January 02, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty funny little post there, I even quite liked the first version of the theme tune. :)
I've listened to Josh's demo many times now and it cracks me up every time.
You know what gets me, did Mike not used to write all the themes and jingles? I'm beginning to believe that was a lie (not really).
Why does the Rifftrax theme still suck compared to almost everything else? (yes, this is the CT thread - hijack!). I had always assumed "team rifftrax" was the most musically talented. I guess what they say about assumptions is correct.
Anyone read this article?
http://www.gearlog.com/2007/11/rifftrax_killer_joel_hodgson_l.php
I can't get it where I am. The google info seems to be negative.
Quote from: AmandaGalI can't get it where I am. The google info seems to be negative.
What do you mean that you can't get it? Are you talking about the article? Well, other than just talking about CT the best part is this quote:
Quoth Hodgson, "
We've licensed our first title and are working at a brisk pace to get it delivered in time for Christmas! So you can give it as a gift to one of your sly friends or a loved one. Or you yourself can watch over the holidays to fight off that strange malaise that always seems to happen."
That worked out well, didn't it?! ;)
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on January 02, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: AmandaGalI can't get it where I am. The google info seems to be negative.
What do you mean that you can't get it? Are you talking about the article? Well, other than just talking about CT the best part is this quote:
Quoth Hodgson, "We've licensed our first title and are working at a brisk pace to get it delivered in time for Christmas! So you can give it as a gift to one of your sly friends or a loved one. Or you yourself can watch over the holidays to fight off that strange malaise that always seems to happen."
That worked out well, didn't it?! ;)
-Rude
So it's obviously and old and pointless article. And yeah, that's what I meant. I'll remember not to read it later ;) I just saw "Rifftrax Killer" and figured it'd be interesting.
Quote from: killeroo on January 02, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
Oh, I dunno. The old rifftrax music wasn't without its charms. Maybe it just flipped a switch in my brain like bell ringing did to Pavlov's dogs. The new theme, however, is beyond redemption. But, staying on topic, I think that the CT theme is great. Even the rough draft would have worked quite well.
I didn't like the old one, but you are right. I think the new one is worse. We are probably in the minority though. Mike needs to write something clever. I know he can do it.
As for staying on topic, uh...Cinematic Titanic is great, right?
theme song's fun... though lyrics would have been fun as well....
Also, not sure what Joel's trying to accomplish with this quote:
"most sales in 24 hours!"
Congrats guys on breaking the previous record of 5
Quote from: killeroo on January 02, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
Oh, I dunno. The old rifftrax music wasn't without its charms. Maybe it just flipped a switch in my brain like bell ringing did to Pavlov's dogs. The new theme, however, is beyond redemption. But, staying on topic, I think that the CT theme is great. Even the rough draft would have worked quite well.
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I have no proof one way or the other, but the old Rifftrax theme sounded suspiciously like 'royalty free' music to me. I don't think it was composed specifically for Rifftrax (at least I hope not), it had a very generic sound to it. At least the new music has a little personality and I assume it came from our own ranks since they ran a contest for the best new theme, right?
And speaking of CT has anyone got their DVD yet? I'm guessing no? I haven't gotten any notification that its shipped yet.
Nor have I. Notice in the update how they mention we've broken records at eztakes? I'm beginning to think the theory that we overwhelmed the eztakes staff is valid.
I haven't heard of anyone getting notification yet.
Hopefully Eztakes took note of how many orders were placed and they do some major bandwidth upgrade for the next one that should have the download option available. Nothing more frustrating than slow downloads or being unable to connect to a site.
I got an email on the 22nd saying it would mail in approx 2 weeks.... So, we're now in the area of an approximate for 2 weeks seeing as it's 2 days till 14 days, so hopefully they'll be shipping within the next 2-5 days...
They are probably a smallish firm with a limited staff and limited DVD burning capabilities. Imagine if you were them and in three days you received several thousand orders for one title. They may very well have only a few DVD burners and limited number of folks to operate them.
Hopefully for the next release, they are ready for it.
Quote from: killeroo on January 03, 2008, 10:51:10 AM
Plus, I believe they're delivered in some sort of wagon, which probably accounts for part of the delay.
Now
that's friggin' funny.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on January 03, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: killeroo on January 03, 2008, 10:51:10 AM
Plus, I believe they're delivered in some sort of wagon, which probably accounts for part of the delay.
Now that's friggin' funny.
agreed! :D
Still, it's not as bad as it could have been. They only recently upgraded their wagon to one that used the new-fangled "round" wheels, instead of the older, "square" model.
Hopefully it's at least a Station Wagon.
But why wait to send them out? You would think that someone who was the first to order would be a member of one of the forums. So far it seems that nobody has gotten one yet.
...
"Our shipping department is currently experiencing delays."
"Thank you for your patience."
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-Rude
Quote from: MrTorso on January 03, 2008, 11:35:04 AM
But why wait to send them out? You would think that someone who was the first to order would be a member of one of the forums. So far it seems that nobody has gotten one yet.
Maybe "Bobby" in processing is still on his Christmas break with his parents.
Just noticed the page now says
QuoteBecause of high demand, DVDs ordered today will ship within 10 business days.
I personally ordered mine around 12:09am the day it was released apparently on 12/22. If you take out Christmas Eve, Christmas, New Years Eve, and New Years Day, then at the very least that would make this the 8th business day.... though it should probably be the 10th...
...
Weekends usually don't count as business days either. Basically with the original delay, a record-breaking amount of orders and all the holidays... this was a perfect storm for a massive shipping delay.
-Rude
Both Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve the Post Office was open, but I guess DVDWagon might have been closed, but you shouldn't count weekends even though there is delivery on saturdays.
Yeah, forgot about weekends.... so I guess even though it's been 13 days it's only technically been about 3-5 business days considering our orders went in on a Saturday morning.
Who knows if they were actually "closed" or not working on the weekends or the holidays. If they did take weekends off when they could see "record breaking sales" happening then they really don't have good business sense.
Quote from: MrTorso on January 03, 2008, 01:04:05 PM
Who knows if they were actually "closed" or not working on the weekends or the holidays. If they did take weekends off when they could see "record breaking sales" happening then they really don't have good business sense.
No one involved appears to have much in the way of business sense.
Don't get me wrong, I love the CT crew and have every reason to believe that The Oozing Skull will probably be funny as hell, but you have to admit that the rights, the release, and the distribution have all been seriously mishandled. You've got to be
hardcore to pay sixteen bucks for a DVD-R that you won't be able to watch for almost a month.
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 03, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
They are probably a smallish firm with a limited staff and limited DVD burning capabilities. Imagine if you were them and in three days you received several thousand orders for one title. They may very well have only a few DVD burners and limited number of folks to operate them.
Hopefully for the next release, they are ready for it.
I'm thinking this is not altogether EZtakes' fault. They were probably expecting that people would have the option to download it.
It's a tough situation. Do you go with a smaller vendor to keep costs low but risk shipping delays, or do you go with a bigger vendor who can handle the volume but probably charge more per transaction?
They had to go with the former because the cost is already about as high as it should be. I paid the $16, but I'm not willing to pay much more than that.
QuoteNo one involved appears to have much in the way of business sense.
What would give you the impression that the guy who gave ownership of his creation to Jim Mallon has no business sense?
Referring to an earlier post of mine:
Quote from: Thom_Serveaux on January 02, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
Once again, this just speculation, but I think that everyone over at CT was just excited to get 'back in the game' once they saw how much success Mike Kevin, and Bill were having, and by success, I mean fun. Probably Mike had an advantage in regards to having Legend Films resources at his disposal. Not just actual facilities and equipment, but perhaps insight into the best way to proceed with a both the overall format, as well as the means of distribution. It has been made readily apparent that Joel is more at ease behind the camera than in front of it. Moreover they are artists, and sometimes (even if a bit reluctant, such as with Joel) performers.
As for Jim, I'm torn...
....
Is he more of a money-grubbing talentless hack butt-mime, or a petulant greedy rump-beret?
Quote from: killeroo on January 03, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
Can't send out the wagon before it's full. Duh! That's like the first rule of wagoneering.
There might be varmints out there wait'n to bushwhack a lone wagon, it's better to wait for all the wagons to be full...
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-Rude
My favorite part is that the horse is just standing there NOT delivering the dvds...
Quote from: indybuda on January 03, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
My favorite part is that the horse is just standing there NOT delivering the dvds...
Yeah, giddy-up you SOB!
A user over on the MST3k Discussion forum actually called EZtakes and talked to one of their employees. Apparently right now they are planning to start shipping on the 8th.
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on January 04, 2008, 06:12:36 AM
A user over on the MST3k Discussion forum actually called EZtakes and talked to one of their employees. Apparently right now they are planning to start shipping on the 8th.
Calling and talking to someone instead of wild speculation? What a n00b.
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on January 04, 2008, 06:12:36 AM
A user over on the MST3k Discussion forum actually called EZtakes and talked to the employee.
Fixed it for ya.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on January 04, 2008, 06:44:04 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on January 04, 2008, 06:12:36 AM
A user over on the MST3k Discussion forum actually called EZtakes and talked to the employee.
Fixed it for ya.
Close. If you follow their BBB link from the site you find that they have 5 employees.
Quote from: mrbasehart on January 04, 2008, 05:39:15 AM
Quote from: indybuda on January 03, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
My favorite part is that the horse is just standing there NOT delivering the dvds...
Yeah, giddy-up you SOB!
"Cue the horses!"
--Joel,
Gunslinger
Who wants to bet with me how many of the Forum members who post in this thread will get a bad cd when they come??
Quote from: Rude on January 03, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
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-Rude
Picture of the year so far in 2008.
Just got an e-mail saying it will ship on or before the 9th.
Quote from: Wiseblood on January 04, 2008, 02:41:29 PM
Just got an e-mail saying it will ship on or before the 9th.
Same here.
I received a email as well.
I got an email too. Yeah!!!
Ditto's.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 04, 2008, 01:33:04 PM
Who wants to bet with me how many of the Forum members who post in this thread will get a bad cd when they come??
I think I already called that about 30 pages back.... I'm not going to look for it though, so you're going to have to trust that I'm better than you
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I just Googled EZTakes and it turns out Peter Potamus is in charge of shipping. Next week we'll all get emails asking if we got that thing he sent us.
Quote from: pyro on January 04, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 04, 2008, 01:33:04 PM
Who wants to bet with me how many of the Forum members who post in this thread will get a bad cd when they come??
I think I already called that about 30 pages back.... I'm not going to look for it though, so you're going to have to trust that I'm better than you
I bow to your greatest! ;)
I placed two orders, one for myself and one for RVR II as he was in Mexico. They sent me an e-mail about RVR II's order, but not mine.
:angry: :angry:
No good deed ever goes unpunished I guess.
Shipping Date for The Oozing Skull DVD
This email was sent on January 4th, 2008
Dear Richard,
The purpose of this message is to let you know that your order for "The Oozing Skull" by Cinematic Titanic (the former Mystery Science Theater 3000 folks), is scheduled to ship on or before Wednesday, January 9th, 2008. You will receive an email confirmation shortly before the DVD ships.
Quote from: Sheik Yerbouti on January 05, 2008, 03:23:04 AM
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I just Googled EZTakes and it turns out Peter Potamus is in charge of shipping. Next week we'll all get emails asking if we got that thing he sent us.
Whatever you do, don't ask "what thing" Trust me!
As long as it isn't his dick in a box, I don't care.
Then again, it WOULD prevent him from breeding...
Quote from: Chaos on January 05, 2008, 10:56:37 AM
As long as it isn't his dick in a box, I don't care.
Then again, it WOULD prevent him from breeding...
I think we can all use some help forgetting that image. Mentok, if you please?
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If I have horribly scarred and offended just one person, then my work is done. ;D
Quote from: PSLOwnerPicture of the year so far in 2008.
Thank you! Although, it is only about three days into the new year. But it's an honor just to be nominated! Seriously though, my very next post was going to be a Porshe with a Rifftrax logo across the side. But, uh... ya' know. I got lazy and stuff.
;D
-Rude
"When anyone gets that thing I sent you, let me know if it's worth the $16"
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Quote from: skenderberg on January 03, 2008, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 03, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
They are probably a smallish firm with a limited staff and limited DVD burning capabilities. Imagine if you were them and in three days you received several thousand orders for one title. They may very well have only a few DVD burners and limited number of folks to operate them.
Hopefully for the next release, they are ready for it.
I'm thinking this is not altogether EZtakes' fault. They were probably expecting that people would have the option to download it.
We do apologize for the way it's all gone down so far ... it will be better in the future, likely with more options than just buying a DVD. Hopefully it'll be worth the wait! I think it is.
Just get it to be avaliable outside of the US and you'll make me happy, whatever the format.
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on January 08, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
Just get it to be avaliable outside of the US and you'll make me happy, whatever the format.
What I really want to do is offer downloadable/burnable dvds, as well as a stream. But all I can do is push for it; it's not my decision.
Quote from: Mr`Death on January 09, 2008, 12:26:46 AM
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on January 08, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
Just get it to be avaliable outside of the US and you'll make me happy, whatever the format.
What I really want to do is offer downloadable/burnable dvds, as well as a stream. But all I can do is push for it; it's not my decision.
The way you put that tells us that someone has decided not to sell the movie overseas, would it be because the international rights are more expensive? Or you just don't like us? :)
Quote from: Imrahil on January 09, 2008, 10:55:38 AM
I didn't want to be the one to mention it, but you do kind of smell.
Not to mention the jug ears and buck teeth.
Seriously though, has anyone gotten the shipping confirmation email referenced in the last email we got?
Just got my email saying my disk was shipping via USPS. I ordered on 12/26.
That's weird, I got an e-mail saying I had already received and enjoyed the DVD and that I plan on buying more. Huh.
Quote from: mrbasehart on January 09, 2008, 06:18:40 AM
Quote from: Mr`Death on January 09, 2008, 12:26:46 AM
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on January 08, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
Just get it to be avaliable outside of the US and you'll make me happy, whatever the format.
What I really want to do is offer downloadable/burnable dvds, as well as a stream. But all I can do is push for it; it's not my decision.
The way you put that tells us that someone has decided not to sell the movie overseas, would it be because the international rights are more expensive? Or you just don't like us? :)
Oh, no, I didn't mean to insinuate that. I don't think there's been an overseas vs. nonoverseas debate. Dunno why that's not being offered.
According to RAD over at the MST3K discussion forum, they've already tenatively begun work on the next work (or at least the cast members have recieved thier DVD's to use for writing)
Quote from: bratpop on January 09, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
That's weird, I got an e-mail saying I had already received and enjoyed the DVD and that I plan on buying more. Huh.
Cool. Did it tell you what your favorite parts were? :)
Go register for the forum folks if you can figure out how.... and then post something that no one can see
Quote from: pyro on January 10, 2008, 09:35:38 PM
Go register for the forum folks if you can figure out how.... and then post something that no one can see
Tried. Failed.
I really wanted to post things no one could see.
Boo!
Well at least the site is getting a makeover, it definitely looks cooler. Maybe I actually will have another forum to eat up more of my time.
Am i missing something? Is there some invisible REGISTER button? Cuz i can't find it......
I think it's still a work in progress.
Well, somebody's gotten it working, as it says there are posts in a few of the forums, but there's nothing in the threads when I try to view them.
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
On the plus side, the EZTake download manager is very easy to install and use. For $9.99, there is an add-on you can buy that lets you convert your downloaded movie into a MP4 format that plays on your ipod or Zune player and adds it to your iTunes or Zune library. Pretty cool. I can see saving some of the CT movies and shorts in the MP4 format for my iPod.
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:20:03 AM
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
On the plus side, the EZTake download manager is very easy to install and use. For $9.99, there is an add-on you can buy that lets you convert your downloaded movie into a MP4 format that plays on your ipod or Zune player and adds it to your iTunes or Zune library. Pretty cool. I can see saving some of the CT movies and shorts in the MP4 format for my iPod.
What format does the downloaded movie come as in the first place?
Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2008, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:20:03 AM
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
On the plus side, the EZTake download manager is very easy to install and use. For $9.99, there is an add-on you can buy that lets you convert your downloaded movie into a MP4 format that plays on your ipod or Zune player and adds it to your iTunes or Zune library. Pretty cool. I can see saving some of the CT movies and shorts in the MP4 format for my iPod.
What format does the downloaded movie come as in the first place?
Looks like MPEG to me.
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:20:03 AM
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
Talking about the new CT website.
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:26:03 AM
Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2008, 06:23:25 AM
What format does the downloaded movie come as in the first place?
Looks like MPEG to me.
In that case, don't waste your money on the $10 converter. You can get video converters for free. Just search google. :)
Quote from: BathTub on January 11, 2008, 06:47:28 AM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:20:03 AM
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
Talking about the new CT website.
*egg on face*
I bought another movie there, and it downloads as a Video_TS file. Download Handbrake for windows, linux, or mac, and you can convert it for your ipod without even burning a disc first. http://handbrake.fr/?article=download (http://handbrake.fr/?article=download)
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 11, 2008, 08:12:19 AM
I bought another movie there, and it downloads as a Video_TS file. Download Handbrake for windows, linux, or mac, and you can convert it for your ipod without even burning a disc first. http://handbrake.fr/?article=download (http://handbrake.fr/?article=download)
Handbrake = awesome
I use it a lot.
Yeah, it's great. If you like Handbrake, buy the VisualHub program they advertise. It's well worth it. You can easily convert between video formats, link files together, and convert to a dvd.iso.
Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2008, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 11, 2008, 06:20:03 AM
I dont see any forum or register/login link when I go to the EZTake or the DVDWagon home page. But like you said, their forums are probably a work in progress.
On the plus side, the EZTake download manager is very easy to install and use. For $9.99, there is an add-on you can buy that lets you convert your downloaded movie into a MP4 format that plays on your ipod or Zune player and adds it to your iTunes or Zune library. Pretty cool. I can see saving some of the CT movies and shorts in the MP4 format for my iPod.
What format does the downloaded movie come as in the first place?
DVD-Video (MPEG-4 in VOB format)
Yeah it's just like if you had copied the contents off the DVD as files rather than an image.
Yes, then I reiterate my statement that there's no need to give EZ "Omish Online" Takes the extra $10 for their converter software. Just use any freeware video converter software, handbrake works great even though it only has a few file type options, and there are others that will basically convert from anything to anything, including flash and YouTube files, if you were so inclined.
Personally, I shelled out $20 for Xilisoft's suite of programs, because I got the DVD Ripper, DVD Author, and Video Converter software on special for a package price (some promotion they were running). I also like "Convert X to DVD" from VSO, because if you're not a person who has much experience reauthoring, or just don't have the time to mess around with building a menu, it will do it all for you in one step - including shrinking file sizes and resolutions automatically if you're trying to squeeze more onto the DVD than would fit at standard size / length. I got an entire 7 episode Britcom season on a single DVD with VSO (the original boxed set I took it from was 3 DVDs), and you can't even notice a reduction in quality because it resizes from the original pure video feed on the DVD... very nice.
Quote from: killeroo on January 11, 2008, 12:23:49 AM
yeah, I don't think it's supposed to be operational yet. I just typed in /register after the web address, but it doesn't seem to be working anymore.
looks like you're the only one registered besides the admin now too.... since you can now actually see what's being posted.... including this
Quote from: admin
You're not being watched.
Please carry on.
As soon as I downloaded the download manager I went ahead and paid the $10 for the ipod conversion software. Oh well! It works fine with the click of a button and I have no issues.
Yes, they are allowing postin gnow, as guests. Still no registration, though.
If you can figure out the new register url you get this:
New User Registrations are Currently Disabled
They need to invest in the idea of live site versus test site. :)
...
Frank finally posted something up on CT.
It's mostly about his favorite riffs from the DVD, so i guess there should be some kinda' spoiler alert.
-Rude
Maybe he'll post all the riffs, that way nobody has to buy it. Are we supposed to call him DVD's Frank now?
Quote from: bratpop on January 11, 2008, 08:48:39 PM
Maybe he'll post all the riffs, that way nobody has to buy it. Are we supposed to call him DVD's Frank now?
:rimshot:
Less cumbersome than DVD-R's Frank I guess.
So would it be Downloadable Frank, Downloadable's Frank, Burn Your Own Frank, err, guess I better stop now....
CT's Frank might work, though it still seems weird to use the initials CT for something not dirty.
Just posted on their CT forum as a guest.. Guess you can't register as a member without permission from their admins er something ???
Quote from: RVR II on January 12, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
Just posted on their CT forum as a guest.. Guess you can't register as a member without permission from their admins er something ???
Registrations aren't open yet, killeroo just was a sneaky bugger and guessed the correct url correctly and they killed it after he did it.
Quote from: BathTub on January 12, 2008, 07:11:05 AM
Quote from: RVR II on January 12, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
Just posted on their CT forum as a guest.. Guess you can't register as a member without permission from their admins er something ???
Registrations aren't open yet, killeroo just was a sneaky bugger and guessed the correct url correctly and they killed it after he did it.
Ahh.. So it's not that they don't want me as a member on purpose then :P
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 08:12:11 AM
They have four members now, but I still don't see an obvious way to register.
I just kept poking around until I found a page to sign up. I got the confirmation email, activated it, and got another email with my user ID and password. But the forum page still says 4 members, and I can't see anywhere to login.
QuoteDear User,
Your new account is setup.
You can log in with the following information:
Username: k1posterchild
Password: (omitted)
Thanks!
--The WordPress Team
CinematicTitanic.com
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
try http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-login.php
That doesn't allow you to register, though.
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
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Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
try http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-login.php
That doesn't allow you to register, though.
K1 already has an account. Maybe this'll let him login.
Sweet! That did the trick!
Let me see if I can remember how I got to the page to sign up. I was just typing random stuff when I stumbled across it.
(Checks browser history...)
Try this:
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/new/
damn, I only figured out how to register 3 minutes before you posted that and figured out how to log in just before you did
Quote from: k1posterchild on January 12, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on January 12, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
try http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-login.php
That doesn't allow you to register, though.
K1 already has an account. Maybe this'll let him login.
Sweet! That did the trick!
Let me see if I can remember how I got to the page to sign up. I was just typing random stuff when I stumbled across it.
(Checks browser history...)
Try this:
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/new/
Tried and clicked the 'NEXT' button.. The page could not be found.. :'(
Quote from: RVR II on January 12, 2008, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: k1posterchild on January 12, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: jetjaguar15 on January 12, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: killeroo on January 12, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
try http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-login.php
That doesn't allow you to register, though.
K1 already has an account. Maybe this'll let him login.
Sweet! That did the trick!
Let me see if I can remember how I got to the page to sign up. I was just typing random stuff when I stumbled across it.
(Checks browser history...)
Try this:
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/new/
Tried and clicked the 'NEXT' button.. The page could not be found.. :'(
I figured they'd change it pretty quick once people found it.
Try this?
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-signup.php?new=new
Quote from: k1posterchild on January 12, 2008, 10:47:58 AM
I figured they'd change it pretty quick once people found it.
Try this?
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-signup.php?new=new
NADA! Page cannot be displayed
Bummer. Probably still comes up for me since I haven't cleared the cache. (Although mine says something along the lines of already being logged in, and there's no need to register again.)
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/register is what worked for me, but now it redirects you to http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/wp-signup.php?new=register
OK. It's up now.. (must be glitches on their end..)
I think I'm registered as it's now saying my user id has already been reserved along with my email address..
Guess I have to wait for my activation password..
It should show up within a minute or so. I got mine almost immediately.
(I hope they add a "Show new replies to my posts" option on there. I'm a big fan of that on this board.)
Alright! I'm On!
See Ya'll There as well ;D
Please don't do anything that could give people an excuse to 'retaliate' against this forum.
Quote from: BathTub on January 12, 2008, 12:00:43 PM
Please don't do anything that could give people an excuse to 'retaliate' against this forum.
Not I.. I'm a Fan of Both and will remain 'Happy' on both ::)
Quote from: BathTub on January 12, 2008, 12:00:43 PM
Please don't do anything that could give people an excuse to 'retaliate' against this forum.
So I shouldn't start posting really stupid things like "Rifftrax is way better because they were the first ones to riff movies?" ;)
I think I read it on the internet, so it must be true. Oh right. I read that on the internet right after I typed it.
So I should take down the death threats?
Quote from: RoninFox on January 12, 2008, 01:10:40 PM
So I should take down the death threats?
Nah, they won't hurt anyone.
One thing I thinking after watching The Oozing Skull is that since they got rid of everything but the silhouettes it seems to me that licensing films isn't a very good model for making money. If the Rifftrax player was tweaked to overlay the silhouettes over top of the DVD then Cinematic Titanic could be done without licensing the films just like Rifftrax.
There's a significant difference between synching up a separate sound stream from the video (that only has to be re-synched at certain key points) and having to keep 2 separate video feeds synched up and overlayed in realtime, every single frame. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but that's a SIGNIFICANTLY different technology than what the player currently does.
Plus who wants to watch them on your computer??? What about the freeze frames?
Quote from: Chaos on January 12, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
There's a significant difference between synching up a separate sound stream from the video (that only has to be re-synched at certain key points) and having to keep 2 separate video feeds synched up and overlayed in realtime, every single frame. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but that's a SIGNIFICANTLY different technology than what the player currently does.
Ah, but what if you didn't worry about that? What if you synched up the silhouette layer (which includes the Riff audio) to the movie the same way you do just the audio? The silhouettes don't really need to have a frame by frame lock with the movie, it just has to be in synch with the riff audio. For the freeze frame the player just pauses the DVD feed while continuing the riff feed. There was enough slopp in the CT freeze frames if the timing of the pause isn't exact it wouldn't hurt anything as long as you have the right frame paused.
Quotebut that's a SIGNIFICANTLY different technology than what the player currently does.
Well, I don't know how you know that, but it's not really that complicated. It's just a subtitle track. They do it on a few DVDs. Namely Ghostbusters, Men in Black, and Muppets From Space. Still, I don't think anyone would want to have to buy The Oozing Brain of Blood separately. It wouldn't really be any cheaper for us, would it? A Rifftrax can cost up to $25 if you're unlucky. So whether it's good for business for CT to license the film doesn't mean much unless it puts them out of business.
Quote from: bratpop on January 12, 2008, 09:40:56 PM
Still, I don't think anyone would want to have to buy The Oozing Brain of Blood separately. It wouldn't really be any cheaper for us, would it? A Rifftrax can cost up to $25 if you're unlucky. So whether it's good for business for CT to license the film doesn't mean much unless it puts them out of business.
Don't forget that most people have legal ways like Netflix of getting ahold of DVDs for little or no extra money out of pocket. I for one am not impressed enough by The Oozing Skull to justify paying $7.95 over Rifftrax pricing (4.99 for 5 hosts) for future episodes unless they add more meat to it.
Well, it's kind of ironic they just released the Oozing Brain Blood on DVD. I don't think all their future titles will be so lucky.
Quote from: bratpop on January 12, 2008, 10:35:39 PM
Well, it's kind of ironic they just released the Oozing Brain Blood on DVD. I don't think all their future titles will be so lucky.
What do you mean? The whole project is meant for DVD release. Either you burn it yourself or you pay the company to do it and send it to you. Either way its "on" DVD.
Quote from: MrTorso on January 12, 2008, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: bratpop on January 12, 2008, 10:35:39 PM
Well, it's kind of ironic they just released the Oozing Brain Blood on DVD. I don't think all their future titles will be so lucky.
What do you mean? The whole project is meant for DVD release. Either you burn it yourself or you pay the company to do it and send it to you. Either way its "on" DVD.
Yeah, you lost me too.
The company who owns the movie released it under its actual title, which is why they had to change the title for the CT release. They said so. I said it's ironic that their first movie actually is available separately so they could have done an audio/subtitle release and not have to license it. But probably not future titles.
Am I the only person who thinks it was kind of stupid of them to open a forum when they obviously haven't finished creating it yet?
I think they just have an amateur designing their site and they haven't quite gotten the concept of hiding things from prying eyes :)
Or the designer was somehow unaware of how rabid the fanbase would be.
I did like the fact, intentional or not, that the seat between Frank and Trace was empty hinting to the possibility of guest riffers.
They have a designer? Where?
Quote from: bratpop on January 15, 2008, 04:48:36 PM
They have a designer? Where?
Oh you! Your such a bundle of joy.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 15, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: bratpop on January 15, 2008, 04:48:36 PM
They have a designer? Where?
Oh you! Your such a bundle of joy.
If there's a mod over there, I haven't seen one. Pirates and trolls are flying in every direction.
I forgot to mention that, so far at least, all the names I recognize from this board are behaving admirably. Of course, we'd be hard-pressed to out-jackass some of the others.
Quote from: killeroo on January 16, 2008, 01:54:53 PM
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 15, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: bratpop on January 15, 2008, 04:48:36 PM
They have a designer? Where?
Oh you! Your such a bundle of joy.
If there's a mod over there, I haven't seen one. Pirates and trolls are flying in every direction.
They've got people hocking bootleg mst and ct dvds there so there's definately no mods.
I was wondering why there was some guy and 2 robots talking over that movie I bought! Those jerks ruined a perfectly good movie!
Crap. I signed up for an account but I didn't know I could hock stuff. I need to head over there.
I'm sure I can find a super rare, limited edition mst3k DVD-R laying around somewhere. ;)
That Cheepnis is a piece of work all right. Blatantly stating he was going to sell copies of the Oozing Skull. What a douche bag.
Yeah but he's got a mortgage so it's ok!
I'll have to remember that excuse next time I need to get out of something...
Speeding Ticket? No thanks! I've got a mortgage!
Stuck in court for some crime? Your honor, let me present exhibit A... my mortgage.
I like the other guy that hides behind the "if youz are a cop you can't click my website" disclaimer. What a knucklehead if he thinks that would actually work......
well...took a quick peek at the CT forum, and all the spammer trolls are either banned or their posts deleted, so i guess the admins actually exist over there.
A quick change of subject from pirates and bootleggers;
I finally plunked my money down for "Oozing Skull". Though instead of a 10 day wait, i have a 5 day wait for shipping. SO at least they have sped things up over at DVDWagon.
Quote from: OrtegaThough instead of a 10 day wait, i have a 5 day wait for shipping. SO at least they have sped things up over at DVDWagon.
They must have taken some of the profit and bought a faster horse to pull the wagon.
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on January 16, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: OrtegaThough instead of a 10 day wait, i have a 5 day wait for shipping. SO at least they have sped things up over at DVDWagon.
They must have taken some of the profit and bought a faster horse to pull the wagon.
Maybe they finally upgraded to round wheels. Or added the extra 2 wheels to bring them up to the standard 4 (someone used to have to walk behind the wagon to hold up the back end). :D
Ordered my copy this morning. It'll probably show up while I'm out in Des Moines. Which means my wife will be mocking me about being able to watch it first.
I ordered mine the other day and got a shipment notice within 24 hours
Something I noticed. After the first viewing, thinking back I couldn't remember the theme song at all. After the second viewing it's grafted to my very soul and I can't shake it off. Very catchy, very Manciniesque in fact.
so hey any good, also its funny how many of the board members there are either posters here or ex posters here
Got my copy today, I'll be watching after work. Woohoo!
My copy arrived today and I'm appalled at the condition of the disc. It's all scratched and smudged. If I didn't know better, I'd think I just received a NetFlix rental disc. So I decided to go to the CT forum and ask about it... but there's no way to register.
I'm not at all impressed with CT so far.
Quote from: Bairman on January 18, 2008, 10:18:06 AM
My copy arrived today and I'm appalled at the condition of the disc. It's all scratched and smudged. If I didn't know better, I'd think I just received a NetFlix rental disc. So I decided to go to the CT forum and ask about it... but there's no way to register.
I'm not at all impressed with CT so far.
There's an 800 number at the top of the eztakes / dvd wagon website, and probably other ways to contact them besides complaining to the unfinished forum of the content providers, who had nothing to do with that anyways (outside of choosing eztakes to begin with).
But your complaint is valid, mine read fine but I considered myself lucky for that fact - sending a DVD in nothing more than a paper sleeve is unacceptable.
Quote from: David on January 18, 2008, 10:27:18 AM
There's an 800 number at the top of the eztakes / dvd wagon website, and probably other ways to contact them besides complaining to the unfinished forum of the content providers, who had nothing to do with that anyways (outside of choosing eztakes to begin with).
CT is 100% responsible for the final product. They chose their partner companies.
Since it's their first release and their first dealings with the company and also the first time they have had complaints, a better judge of their customer service is going to be what they do about it for future releases.
I still haven't ordered mine though so I should shut up. :)
My DVD came with a lot of smudge patterns on the back too. I could not really remove them so I have no idea if that was from the pressing, the mail or what. BUT...... the DVD played fine without any problems at all.
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 18, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
My DVD came with a lot of smudge patterns on the back too. I could not really remove them so I have no idea if that was from the pressing, the mail or what. BUT...... the DVD played fine without any problems at all.
Is it like a "milky cloud"? That would be the glue of the the clear polycarbonate that either dried to quickly or they used too much in the pressing. Most of the time the disc is readable. Every so often the glue cloud can affect playback.
Quote from: MrTorso on January 18, 2008, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 18, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
My DVD came with a lot of smudge patterns on the back too. I could not really remove them so I have no idea if that was from the pressing, the mail or what. BUT...... the DVD played fine without any problems at all.
Is it like a "milky cloud"? That would be the glue of the the clear polycarbonate that either dried to quickly or they used too much in the pressing. Most of the time the disc is readable. Every so often the glue cloud can affect playback.
Hard to describe really. Overall, it has cloudy milk spots all over it like coulds. Then it also has three lines running down the back of the DVD that forms right angles. :-\
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 18, 2008, 12:04:51 PM
Quote from: MrTorso on January 18, 2008, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: PSLOwner on January 18, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
My DVD came with a lot of smudge patterns on the back too. I could not really remove them so I have no idea if that was from the pressing, the mail or what. BUT...... the DVD played fine without any problems at all.
Is it like a "milky cloud"? That would be the glue of the the clear polycarbonate that either dried to quickly or they used too much in the pressing. Most of the time the disc is readable. Every so often the glue cloud can affect playback.
Hard to describe really. Overall, it has cloudy milk spots all over it like coulds. Then it also has three lines running down the back of the DVD that forms right angles. :-\
Mine has kind of a light white misty-looking thing around the center of the underside of the disc, pulled like a skidmark from where it was shifting around loose in that envelope they sent me. Didn't affect playback, though.
I've got the cloudy smudges and also definite scratches. If MrTorso is correct, then the discs are manufactured poorly. Add to that the insufficient packaging that resulted in the scratches, and the high price for said poorly manufactured and packaged disc, and I doubt I'll be buying any more until they're available for download (at a lower price, of course).
I have seen the glue cloud on many, many discs. In fact I just did a deal at work 30 minutes ago that where three discs (all major studios) had the milk cloud.
Okay... so let say that the "milk cloud" thing is not unusual (although I've never personally seen it before). I was already disappointed by the high price, but the scratches are a direct result of insufficient packaging. For my money, I've received a shabby physical product and I'll go the download route in the future.
Just tell EZTakes you got a bad disc and get them to send you a new one.
My disk has a slight milk "ring" about halfway out from the middle, and several straight line marks at right angles. The straight line marks are obviously from the envelope, they match the flaps exactly.
None of the marks affect playback, but it is bad that a $15 disk is not pristine, bargain bin disks in any store are packaged better...
At the least they could put the DVDs in one of those plastic sleeves that has a scratch resistant lining before putting it in a paper envelope, would only cost them a few more cents per disk.
Yeah they sure could have mailed them better. Looking at the discmasters site you can get them packaged just that way and they probably did that to expedite the process. Hopefully instead of allowing orders immediately upon delivery of the master they take a week or two to have it replicated and stockpiled.
I'm not sure any of those options at the discmasters site look like what we got, the flap on the mailer looks different, I've gotten disks in mailers that look like that, thick paper with a strip that rips off at the flap.
My guess is they got them in bulk and put them through their normal delivery system same as any disk they burned themselves.
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The poor business decisions are stacking up. Add extremely low production quality to the list - even when EZTakes went 3rd party to get some runs of pressed disks, they still cheaped out on the provider.
I've never in my life seen a disk with those kinds of "cloudy milk" flaws before.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 18, 2008, 08:05:39 PM
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CT's second release will be a blank DVD. "What? I said I'd refund on the 1st one you buy! I never said anything about the second!"
(Yes I know he said we could return it for any reason (ie if it sucked). I just misread it the first time and thought "what about issues with subsequent orders?")
Nice policy... except that I didn't receive the disc within 48 hours of purchase.
As long as it is playing fine, I really dont care about the "milk" rings and straight lines.
Quote from: Bairman on January 19, 2008, 06:32:08 AM
Nice policy... except that I didn't receive the disc within 48 hours of purchase.
Hey how bout you explain that to DVDWagon and not me. I'm trying to help you out but if you just want to complain then I guess it's a free country.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 19, 2008, 01:23:45 PM
Hey how bout you explain that to DVDWagon and not me. I'm trying to help you out but if you just want to complain then I guess it's a free country.
Chill out, BTA, nothing was directed at you. People bitch on this forum all the time and I'm just as entitled as anyone else. The disc plays okay, but that's not the point. It's a poor quality product to begin with and any replacement would more than likely be exactly the same. Let's just say that my complaint serves as a warning to others who might care about such things.
Quote from: Bairman on January 19, 2008, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on January 19, 2008, 01:23:45 PM
Hey how bout you explain that to DVDWagon and not me. I'm trying to help you out but if you just want to complain then I guess it's a free country.
Chill out, BTA, nothing was directed at you. People bitch on this forum all the time and I'm just as entitled as anyone else. The disc plays okay, but that's not the point. It's a poor quality product to begin with and any replacement would more than likely be exactly the same. Let's just say that my complaint serves as a warning to others who might care about such things.
I understand why you are not satisfied, but there are about 10 pages of moaning here. I think that is enough warning for people. Why don't you start a COMPLAINTS thread so I don't have to read the same thing over and over again when there is a new reply in this thread. So cool?
I'll do you one better. Consider the issue dropped.
I wonder how long it'll be before they announce a second release?
Quote from: Bairman on January 19, 2008, 06:32:08 AM
Nice policy... except that I didn't receive the disc within 48 hours of purchase.
Too bad you didn't pro-actively contact them. Next time I suggest after you hit "submit" on your order, you send support an email right away . . . but that would be your SECOND purchase. Foiled again.
Smart guarantee they have there. :)
Got mine the other day. I was right. It showed up while I was out of state.
I had heard the packaging was sketchy and heard the references to Netflix envelopes, but I didn't realize you all meant they just slapped postage on the small white envelope that comes inside the Netflix envelope.
I also didn't realize that they're being shipped from about 15 miles from my house. After seeing how scuffed up the disc is (mine's pretty bad. looks like someone ran it along the floor, plus I got the milk cloud) I would've gladly paid an extra buck to go pick it up myself and save it whatever damage may have happened in transit.
I didn't end up with scuffs matching the envelope. Mine looks like someone put racing stripes down the middle. Maybe caused by the mail sorter or the postage machine? Dunno.
Another thing... the "Burn & Ship" fee was $2.99. Really? The postage was $0.58 on mine. $2.41 to burn it, print the label, and get a cheap envelope?
What, is that an internet ordering complaint? Join the club. Why does Amazon have a strict $2.98 shipping policy for CDs when they can't ever cost more than $1.80 to ship?
It's shipping and handling guys. And the emphasis is always on the handling part of it. There's some serious time-consuming labor that goes into pushing the right buttons on the keyboard to burn the disc, packing those tricky little envelopes, making sure they get into the mail, etc. ;)
Never underestimate a company's willingness to milk you for every dime they can.
We have to handle it too though, and for a lot longer. Shouldn't we get some of that money back? In fact, they should pay US for handling.
You see what he did there?
I like that reverse-psychology thinking! :clap: :clap:
Quote from: k1posterchild on January 24, 2008, 12:58:33 PM
Another thing... the "Burn & Ship" fee was $2.99. Really? The postage was $0.58 on mine. $2.41 to burn it, print the label, and get a cheap envelope?
Silly me! I forgot to take into account the cost of oats & carrots to give the horse pulling the wagon. Now it adds up.
Quote from: k1posterchildSilly me! I forgot to take into account the cost of oats & carrots to give the horse pulling the wagon. Now it adds up.
But see... if they were a fiscally responsible business, they'd only need a single carrot on a string!
-Rude
Then they'd need to hire someone to keep the animal rights groups away.
Even with a gun, ammo would add up.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on January 24, 2008, 02:31:56 PM
It's shipping and handling guys. And the emphasis is always on the handling part of it. There's some serious time-consuming labor that goes into pushing the right buttons on the keyboard to burn the disc, packing those tricky little envelopes, making sure they get into the mail, etc. ;)
Never underestimate a company's willingness to milk you for every dime they can.
Handling is a very real cost that fiscally responsible companies are trying to recover more and more these days. You have to account for your labor costs, and passing some of that on to the customer is pretty standard these days.
I wasn't a fan of Frank's character, but I did love him as a riffer (Wild Horses--even if the other riffer sounded a bit like Crow T. Robot ;D). Glad to see him where he belongs. But, yeah, as if $16.44.233.4888 wasn't enough...
I'm baffled, BAFFLED, that they haven't announced/released another CinTit DVD yet. Basic business sense says that when you're first starting out on an enterprise like this, you release at least few in rapid succession, to keep people interested, and keep the money coming in. They need to get a business manager or something, cuz this is ridiculous.
Mary Jo said that they've at least started on a script for the next one. I'm hoping it will be soon.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on March 11, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
I'm baffled, BAFFLED, that they haven't announced/released another CinTit DVD yet. Basic business sense says that when you're first starting out on an enterprise like this, you release at least few in rapid succession, to keep people interested, and keep the money coming in. They need to get a business manager or something, cuz this is ridiculous.
I understand that this is an artist driven venture and they don't have the business savy of someone like Legand Films giving them advice and helping, but heck, the ICXWP guys are planning a quicker release schedule.
I am already getting worried they're ready to pull the plug out of depression from the thought of not being able to compete with Rifftrax. I wish they'd at least say when we can expect another release.
They're actually working on it. Recent blog posts indicate it's gonna be a stinker! Should make for great riffing. Besides, I don't really think they have to compete with Rifftrax. I suspect most people who are interested in both will buy both.
Quote from: BeautifulMind on March 15, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
They're actually working on it. Recent blog posts indicate it's gonna be a stinker! Should make for great riffing. Besides, I don't really think they have to compete with Rifftrax. I suspect most people who are interested in both will buy both.
Maybe the slightly longer time in between them gave them time to upgrade the DVD Wagon?
"Can I interest you in our latest model?"
Yes I've been reading all the blog posts, but they really need a Coming Soon sign, or something... anything.
I agree. I've been saying for quite a while that the website looks more like a celebrity blog than a business with something to sell! I think the "product" should be front and center. The new one's probably not gonna be out until next month at the earliest but a Coming soon, release date TBA would be great!
Frank's posts got me convinced he hasn't lost any of his comedic talent and that he's the 3rd funniest person alive (Mike and Joel come first), so I wish he'd spend more time riffing.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on March 11, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
I'm baffled, BAFFLED, that they haven't announced/released another CinTit DVD yet. Basic business sense says that when you're first starting out on an enterprise like this, you release at least few in rapid succession, to keep people interested, and keep the money coming in. They need to get a business manager or something, cuz this is ridiculous.
I'm convinced that they aren't doing this for the money. They're probably doing it more as a hobby. Because I agree with you SJR, basic business sense says they should be producing more and faster.
Quote from: gammer on March 17, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on March 11, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
I'm baffled, BAFFLED, that they haven't announced/released another CinTit DVD yet. Basic business sense says that when you're first starting out on an enterprise like this, you release at least few in rapid succession, to keep people interested, and keep the money coming in. They need to get a business manager or something, cuz this is ridiculous.
I'm convinced that they aren't doing this for the money. They're probably doing it more as a hobby. Because I agree with you SJR, basic business sense says they should be producing more and faster.
Now that the writer's strike is over and they're suddenly in demand again, CT is probably a whole lot less urgent for them as well. I'm glad they're still working on it at all.
I thought they said they were starting work on #2? Watching the movie over and over gave Trace the flu. I'd prefer that they continue to take their time as long as they keep it coming a few times a year. I'm also pretty sure that as long as there are desperate riff-addicts like myself around, they will have no problem selling the next disc no matter when it comes out.
Quote from: gammer on March 17, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
I'm convinced that they aren't doing this for the money. They're probably doing it more as a hobby.
Well, if they aren't doing this for the money, then the $16 price tag is a bit high. I dunno...I'm to the point right now where I'm not sure I'll buy the next DVD. They had that huge hiccup with the initial release being delayed, the DVD had no case (let alone coverart) once it arrived, I can't create an account on their forums, and there's been only one release in three months (and counting). If these issues persist with the next release, I'm afaid I'll have to pass on the product. The only way I can effectively communicate my displeasure is to not give them my money.
I can get an ICWXP DVD for
half the price, and it comes with a case, coverart, even an insert inside the case. Plus, I laughed harder at ICWXP.
yeah the $16 price tag and there not being a cover along with the fact that it took some people months to get their discs stopped me from picking it up too.
I mean $16 is about a third of what a pay for a boxset of MST3K and you can get Filmcrew discs for $10.
They need to lower the price or improve the packaging and shipping times before I will give them money.
You can't even buy a decent pizza for $16... you people are cheap.
...
Did anyone ever get word on whether the "official" DVD cover will be available for download to the people who ordered The Oozing Skull? Don't we have an inside man around here somewhere?
-Rude
Quote from: BEERxTaco on March 21, 2008, 09:14:51 AM
You can't even buy a decent pizza for $16... you people are cheap.
I don't think i have ever paid more then $13 for a good Pizza,if it costs more then that I make my own.
That thought had crossed my mind too,if that is the case I guess in a few months time the Discs will cost a lot more so i should pick it up now.
It looks to me like the Fan project ICWXP is off to a better start then CT.
Quote from: BEERxTaco on March 21, 2008, 09:14:51 AM
You can't even buy a decent pizza for $16... you people are cheap.
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davincis.com%2Fimages%2Ftoplevel_photos%2Fpzveggie.jpg&hash=a7985a292d872ced990fe9515b9995b13fb3c257)
He said a decent Pizza.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 21, 2008, 10:27:06 AM
He said a decent Pizza.
You could put meat on it for another buck, but look at all those lovely toppings.
OK as long as i can get bacon on it it's cool.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that the CT folks really need a business manager of some kind. The infrequency of the product, the poorly handled initial release, etc. Joel is no businessman. In fact, the best illustration of that is his idea that CT needs to get off the ground before trading crew with RiffTrax. If he really knew his audience, he'd have been on a RiffTrax that came out the week before the CT DVD did. Cross-promotion like that would have been extremely beneficial to his product.
Imagine the buzz that Mike and Joel riffing together would have generated! And then all the people who bought that RiffTrax (likely including many, many MSTies who hadn't tried RiffTrax yet and/or aren't that connected to the MST3K "scene") would have heard him plugging CT and gotten a taste of what they were in for with CT via Joel's riffing. He really, really missed the boat on that one. It's a shame Joel doesn't have Mike's business sense (and/or help from people who do, like Legend Films).
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 22, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
According to RAD (Mary Jo's hubby) it's in the works, but no confirmed release date :-[
Quote from: RVR II on March 22, 2008, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 22, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
According to RAD (Mary Jo's hubby) it's in the works, but no confirmed release date :-[
RAD as in TeamRAD?
Quote from: k1posterchild on March 22, 2008, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: RVR II on March 22, 2008, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 22, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
According to RAD (Mary Jo's hubby) it's in the works, but no confirmed release date :-[
RAD as in TeamRAD?
Uh.. No..
Two Completely Separate Entities..
That's what I thought. I misread it at first and thought "wait, that's not the same person"
Anyway, back to the CT talk...
I thought the initial effort (outside of the packaging/shipping/delays) was mediocre for the most part. There were some parts that were funny, but overall nothing that made me laugh out loud. I'm assuming it's just because it's just getting going and that it will get better.
If I was an unknowing person who had never seen MST3K, and had just seen that initial CT release, I'd probably not bother watching any others. However since I know those guys are capable of much better, I'll keep buying them.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 22, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
In the IFC interview that i posted Joel was saying that the next one is tentatively going to be released at the end of April. So i agree that they need to get things a little more organized and find someone to help them get things running better.
Quote from: Brak on March 23, 2008, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 22, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Anybody heard any anything about when the next movie is coming??
Is another one coming?
In the IFC interview that i posted Joel was saying that the next one is tentatively going to be released at the end of April. So i agree that they need to get things a little more organized and find someone to help them get things running better.
Yeah. The sad thing is that I'm actually looking more forward to ICWXP episodes than CT. Because at least they have a solid release schedule and we know what movies they'll be doing next.
So, CT needs to pick up the pace and at least get on some kind of solid schedule. They've already killed a lot of the momentum they might have gained from their first episode. I'm hoping that starting with episode 2 we'll see CT release their episodes more quickly and at a steady pace.
I was looking back over Joel's blog posts, and one entry in particular caught my eye.
Posted on November, 14 at 2:00 pm:
Quote...we will also be offering the e-mail club a chance to download a free "Christmas Present" before anyone else in the form of a short holiday film. This way you can try our "Download to burn" process and see just how fun and easy it really is. Then, show off your home-fab'd DVD to your friends, give it as a stocking stuffer, or slip it into a holiday card. Burning, labeling, and packaging disks at home is something, as Trace says, "Fits our do-it-yourself-aesthetic beautifully."
The bolded parts are what interested me. First, there is this "free Christmas present download" thing. What is it, you ask? Well, nobody knows, because it never happened. Thanks Joel.
Then there's the bit about "burning, labeling, and packaging discs at home". Now, we all know the rights issues got screwed up and they weren't able to offer the download option, but what about the "labeling & packaging" aspect we were promised? Three months after the release, and still no coverart for us to download. Again, thanks Joel.
Now...I read the IFC interview and I realize this is an "
artist owned and operated venture", which means the CT crew is paying for all this out of their pocket, so that they can do what they want without any studio or corporate meddling. Sounds all fine and good, but having a big brother looking over your shoulder can actually be a good thing when you obviously can't run the project properly yourself.
I'm making a proclamation right here and now. I will not buy anymore CT DVDs until Joel comes through on his initial promises to the fans. Offer us this short holiday film for download, offer us the coverart for download....or if not, at least offer up an explanation as to why these things aren't available yet.
Yeah Joel really has no idea how to run a project like this.
Hopefully he will find someone like Shout who will be willing to handle the running of things for his so that he can just do the riffing.
Smilin Jack Ross and everyone else who is going a little nutso.....please let's settle down a bit here.
I am sure like all people Joel and the gang are trying to figure out how running a business goes. They are artists afterall and probably have never owned or operated their own business. Doesn't mean you should start a boycott of future CT projects.
Be reasonable here, it's a learning process and I am sure as long as we support the project things will slowly but surely start to come together. I have a feeling CT was launched a little sooner than they wanted to do to the Bots are back press release and I am not excusing the fact that they haven't delivered on what they promised exactly but they have devlivered the product. It may not be all shiny, and wrapped in plastic like you want it but I mean it's the content that matters isnt it? You dont complain that your rifftrax purchases arent sent to youi on a packaged usb drive or some such do you?
And yes the delays have been annoying but I know or atleast have heard the rumour that they are going to film two back to back...so that should make the releases less far apart but I really look at the first episode of CT as a true pilot in the sense that they filmed it, paid for it themselves, and waited to see how well it did before really getting started on a full season, just like a real TV show does.
All I am saying is that if the only thing that is keeping you from purchasing a new CT is labels, packaging and dvd cases well then sir you are silly.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on March 25, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
Smilin Jack Ross and everyone else who is going a little nutso.....please let's settle down a bit here.
I am sure like all people Joel and the gang are trying to figure out how running a business goes. They are artists afterall and probably have never owned or operated their own business. Doesn't mean you should start a boycott of future CT projects.
Be reasonable here, it's a learning process and I am sure as long as we support the project things will slowly but surely start to come together. I have a feeling CT was launched a little sooner than they wanted to do to the Bots are back press release and I am not excusing the fact that they haven't delivered on what they promised exactly but they have devlivered the product. It may not be all shiny, and wrapped in plastic like you want it but I mean it's the content that matters isnt it? You dont complain that your rifftrax purchases arent sent to youi on a packaged usb drive or some such do you?
And yes the delays have been annoying but I know or atleast have heard the rumour that they are going to film two back to back...so that should make the releases less far apart but I really look at the first episode of CT as a true pilot in the sense that they filmed it, paid for it themselves, and waited to see how well it did before really getting started on a full season, just like a real TV show does.
All I am saying is that if the only thing that is keeping you from purchasing a new CT is labels, packaging and dvd cases well then sir you are silly.
It's the principle, Saucy. We were told we would get a free short, were told we would get labels/artwork, we were told we'd get downloadable content, we were told we would get a certain release date, etc etc etc. And when the things that we were promised did not actually happen, we weren't given an explanation. they should've at least let the fans know why these things didn't happen. If you want someone to return to your business, you treat them well. I don't feel like CT treats their customers very well. And the only way I can convey my displeasure with the way things are running, is to speak with my wallet.
It's like going to a restaurant that serves really good food, but the waiter was rude and incompetent. Regardless of how good the food is, I'm not going to return to that restaurant because the service is crappy. Like I said, if CT eventually offers the coverart like they said they would, and offers some kind of free short, then they will be back in my good graces, and I will continue to give them my business. Otherwise, I'm not returning.
As for the USB drive comment...c'mon. Rifftrax doesn't promise to send you a USB drive in the mail and then not do it. RiffTrax not only meets my expectations, but exceeds it with their customer service. The mods are always on the forums ready to assist you at any time, or ready to offer an explanation for a glitch, or remedy a problem you might have with their product.
Look all i said was that Joel doesn't seem to know how to run a project like this and given the facts i don't see how you can say that isn't true.
Look Joel seems like a nice guy and he is a great ideas man but most great idea men need someone else to run the day to day things for them,i believe Joel is one of those people.
CT is a great idea but until he starts making episodes that is all it is an idea.
Also what is up with the DvD not having cover,that's like selling a car with out paint and then telling the costumers that you will give them the paint so that they can paint it themselves but then not doing it.
I will not be giving them my $16 until they let you have a cover and I hear they they have shipped a disc in under 3 months.
I agree Joel may not be the best business man in the world and they haven't delivered on some of the things they talked about but like i said its the content that matters. I cant justify passing up on the next CT movies if they dont have covers, i could care less about a dvd cover etc. it doesn't matter that much in the long run really.....but i can tell many of you like having that and other tangible things like cases but to me I would rather do it all digital like rifftrax.
either way all I am saying is to be patient and let them prove us wrong. If they release the next one and say that the one after that wont be out for another three months then i will totally agree with all of you and i will probably stop caring but i highly doubt that will happen. Like i said, i think they are still working out the kinks and truly underestimated what it would take to get this done but i think (hope) once they get it rolling it will be a consistent and gratifying product like rifftrax is.
Quote from: SaucyRossy on March 25, 2008, 05:01:50 PM
I agree Joel may not be the best business man in the world and they haven't delivered on some of the things they talked about but like i said its the content that matters. I cant justify passing up on the next CT movies if they dont have covers, i could care less about a dvd cover etc. it doesn't matter that much in the long run really.....but i can tell many of you like having that and other tangible things like cases but to me I would rather do it all digital like rifftrax.
either way all I am saying is to be patient and let them prove us wrong. If they release the next one and say that the one after that wont be out for another three months then i will totally agree with all of you and i will probably stop caring but i highly doubt that will happen. Like i said, i think they are still working out the kinks and truly underestimated what it would take to get this done but i think (hope) once they get it rolling it will be a consistent and gratifying product like rifftrax is.
I agree. A pilot is what the first episode was. This is only the beginning....the beginning...the beginning...
Well i hope you are right and things improve with the next release because at $16 each CT costs more then any other form of riffing and it has less features.
Look I want CT to be good I really do but I can't justify pay a premium price for something that I don't even get a cover with(I mean come on even the $1 dvds at Wal-Mart have a cover)that can take as long as six months to ship out.
If Joel can fix these things i will gladly pay the $16 but if I can't i will not be buying unless the price comes down to $10 or less.
But i do wish Joel all the best i really do it's just that I have limited money to sped on this sort of thing.
A cover? That's so 20th Century of you.
He did promise artwork though, and I agree that they really shouldn't promise things and not deliver, and then give no explanation or apology.
You dang gone kids with your fancy coverless DvDs why in my day Dvds only cost a 95 cents and they came in a solid gold case,I aint going to take this crap any more!
CT has been a real clusterf*ck of an operation so far. The seem to have no clear direction as to what they are doing. Too many chefs maybe?
Doesn't seem like this is going anywhere, but if it does, I would buy the DVD. it looks good.
Did you know there is one out already? Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I got the impression you didn't realize they already put one out.
Quote from: CA20 on March 26, 2008, 08:10:27 AM
Did you know there is one out already? Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I got the impression you didn't realize they already put one out.
i know they have one out, but aside from that one, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Quote from: MK Murder on March 26, 2008, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: CA20 on March 26, 2008, 08:10:27 AM
Did you know there is one out already? Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I got the impression you didn't realize they already put one out.
i know they have one out, but aside from that one, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Well they are going somewhere, just very slowly.
...
Yeah, straight into an iceberg apparently. ;)
-Rude
:rimshot:
Either way, anyone have a CT progress report? Someone know if they're working on another one?
yes
You know for the first time I'm starting to wonder if Joel really isn't a nice guy. I mean, he wouldn't respond to Mike's question about guest riffing, and he seems to want to be in a world where the sides always remain split.
Quote from: Sensei_Rebel on March 26, 2008, 11:34:53 PM
You know for the first time I'm starting to wonder if Joel really isn't a nice guy. I mean, he wouldn't respond to Mike's question about guest riffing, and he seems to want to be in a world where the sides always remain split.
Oooookay.....
Joel has said in recent interviews that Mike called him up right after CT was announced to the public and asked him to guest riff on a Rifftrax. Joel declined because he wanted to concentrate on getting CT up and running. It's that simple.
Joel has gone on record recently saying he has nothing against Mike. So, there's no "us against them" thing going on. All of that is crap that some fans are making up.
Yeah Sensei it's ridiculos to think Joel isn't a nice guy.....you can just tell he is.
Also to all the people saying CT is a disaster and this and that. Come on get real. If a year from now they have 8 or 10 releases out will you still be saying that?
This is never going to be as fast as a rifftrax, Mike and the gang can go in and record a rifftrax in pretty much the time it takes to watch the movie. Joel and the gang are on a real set and filming complex gags with the sillhouettes etc. a production like that isn't done in a day and even then you have to remember that the whole CT crew live all over the country so it's not like they can go into Joel's garage and film on a saturday and release it on a sunday.
Also if you would check the site you would see that they update it everyday with new blog posts, so no they haven't just stopped updating stuff.....
The quote I read from said Joel didn't respond at all, so don't twist what I said. I didn't hear anything about him giving a response. From that who would think that's something a nice guy would do.
Quote from: Sensei_Rebel on March 27, 2008, 11:15:03 AM
The quote I read from said Joel didn't respond at all, so don't twist what I said. I didn't hear anything about him giving a response. From that who would think that's something a nice guy would do.
Ok well read this then
QuoteMod City:
1. Why didn't you answer the question in reference to Rifftrax in the slashdot interview?
Joel sez: That was a bit of a strange SNAFU between our camp and Slashdot. When John Stotard, our webmaster, forwarded me the questions, I looked them over and thought there were too many. I asked him about it and he said, "that's part of the deal at Slashdot, they gave you an abundance of questions, sort of expecting you to throw some out". So the Rifftrax thing was one that I threw out. I received these questions before we even launched the first show so I felt that it was kind of distracting: here I am trying to promote this new movie riffing show and someone is asking me to comment on another movie riffing show. I felt for people unfamiliar with MST3K, the message might get muddy, so that's basically what happened. I'm happy to answer the questions now of course. What do I think of Rifftrax? Obviously, Mike, Kevin and Bill are really talented so I'm sure their product is great.
http://www.rifftraxfan.com/JoelQuestions.html
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
Not a Chance! ::)
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
It should and if not....here are a few more
Quote
Lee Van Cleef:
Joel, I'm sure you have had a chance to watch some of the Mike era episodes by now. Do you have any particular favorites among them? I am not one of the joel vs mike people, I love both eras equally and think you both did excellent jobs. I also don't believe there is any animosity or rift such as the fans seem to WANT to perceive. So with that in mind, its always fascinating to me when one legend speaks about another legend. I would really like to know some of the episodes from 'Mike: the comedy central years' and also 'Mike: the sci-fi years' that you may have had tickle your fancy. ( Conversely, I would also love to know Mike's thoughts on his favorite Joel episodes).
Joel sez: Lee, there is no animosity or rift between Mike and I. As far as a favorite Mike episode goes, I can't think of a particular show title, but I can say that the times I encountered it on TV, I always thought the riffing to be very funny.
and Mike says
QuoteReply from Mike Nelson on January 27, 2008:
Well, there's no ill will from me, either - I wish CT the best. In fact, I invited Joel to collaborate with RiffTrax but didn't hear back, so I guess they wanted to go their own way, which is totally understandable.
and Joel said he got back to him sooooo can we put all of this to rest now??? Please?!
QuoteWhat do I think of Rifftrax? Obviously, Mike, Kevin and Bill are really talented so I'm sure their product is great
Why is Joel "
sure" Rifftrax is good... how come he doesn't know?
let the flame thingy continue
;D
Yeah that is a good point.
Someone get me my gun.
Quote from: SaucyRossy...can we put all of this to rest now??? Please?!
Just because they're amicable doesn't mean that Joel hasn't been spotted eating babies and kicking puppies. Or maybe that was Mallon. Or Satan. Dammit... Hold on, i'll be back once i get all my rumors sorted out.
-Rude
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
I prefer Joel. It goes back and forth, but right now I'm much more of a Joel fan.
Mike's OK sometimes, I guess, but he doesn't do much for me. He's just kind of -- well -- you know what I mean?
Quote from: Bill Corbett on March 27, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
I prefer Joel. It goes back and forth, but right now I'm much more of a Joel fan.
Mike's OK sometimes, I guess, but he doesn't do much for me. He's just kind of -- well -- you know what I mean?
AWW... ::)
Quote from: Bill Corbett on March 27, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
I prefer Joel. It goes back and forth, but right now I'm much more of a Joel fan.
Mike's OK sometimes, I guess, but he doesn't do much for me. He's just kind of -- well -- you know what I mean?
I prefer that one guy who controlled the Crow puppet when the show got cancelled.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 27, 2008, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: Bill Corbett on March 27, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on March 27, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
So does anyone think this will finally put the Mike Vs.Joel flamers in their place?
I prefer Joel. It goes back and forth, but right now I'm much more of a Joel fan.
Mike's OK sometimes, I guess, but he doesn't do much for me. He's just kind of -- well -- you know what I mean?
I prefer that one guy who controlled the Crow puppet when the show got cancelled.
::) suck up
;D
Quote from: SaucyRossy on March 27, 2008, 06:28:22 AM
Also to all the people saying CT is a disaster and this and that. Come on get real. If a year from now they have 8 or 10 releases out will you still be saying that?
The first one was released, what, 4 months ago?
At this pace, they will be lucky to have 3 releases out in the next year.
Quote from: Natureboy on March 27, 2008, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: SaucyRossy on March 27, 2008, 06:28:22 AM
Also to all the people saying CT is a disaster and this and that. Come on get real. If a year from now they have 8 or 10 releases out will you still be saying that?
The first one was released, what, 4 months ago?
At this pace, they will be lucky to have 3 releases out in the next year.
Maybe they are knocking out a bunch at once, so that about halfway through the year, they can have regular releases for the rest of the year. We would be met with an orgie of CinTit releases...
I don't really believe that, I just wanted to use Orgie in a sentence, I came, I saw, I conquered. Personally this is pretty unacceptable in my eyes. They should have more releases in less amount of time than this. Sure the process is intense with getting everybody together to shoot and write, but come on. Its just not good business.
But still, they probably just haven't gotten used to the process, I'm sure the CinTit guys know about the anxiety of the fan's for more releases, and I'm sure they are hurting to please the fans. So even though I think this isn't good, I still think we should maybe cut them just the teensiest bit of slack. Let them get in the motions of doing this, and I'm sure they will get a pace going.
Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
Quote from: FortisI don't really believe that, I just wanted to use Orgie in a sentence...
What the hell is an "
orgie?" ;)
-Rude
Joike is way better than Mel.
Quote from: MrTorso on March 27, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
The strike had nothing to do with CT, not a legal sense anyway.
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on March 27, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
The strike had nothing to do with CT, not a legal sense anyway.
What do you mean legal sense? If you were a WGA member then you couldn't practice your craft during the strike or face expulsion from the Union. That's all it meant. You couldn't be prosecuted. It was entirely the Union affiliation that was preventing WGA members from writing. That's it. So like he said, if some of them couldn't write for this reason that may have caused a delay. But who knows.
Maybe we should ask Isaac.
Oh please don't bring him into this thread.
It's insane enough as it is.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 28, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on March 27, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
The strike had nothing to do with CT, not a legal sense anyway.
What do you mean legal sense? If you were a WGA member then you couldn't practice your craft during the strike or face expulsion from the Union. That's all it meant. You couldn't be prosecuted. It was entirely the Union affiliation that was preventing WGA members from writing. That's it. So like he said, if some of them couldn't write for this reason that may have caused a delay. But who knows.
No that is wrong. You could write for yourself as much as you like, no one can stop you doing that. You could not work on any studio related product covered by the WG-Studio contract. In Mary Jo's new interview with Frank he was writing for Nickelodeon
during the strike. The Strike did not cover all writing by it's members.
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on March 28, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: MrTorso on March 27, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
The strike had nothing to do with CT, not a legal sense anyway.
What do you mean legal sense? If you were a WGA member then you couldn't practice your craft during the strike or face expulsion from the Union. That's all it meant. You couldn't be prosecuted. It was entirely the Union affiliation that was preventing WGA members from writing. That's it. So like he said, if some of them couldn't write for this reason that may have caused a delay. But who knows.
No that is wrong. You could write for yourself as much as you like, no one can stop you doing that. You could not work on any studio related product covered by the WG-Studio contract. In Mary Jo's new interview with Frank he was writing for Nickelodeon during the strike. The Strike did not cover all writing by it's members.
yeah but some people got screwed...take Jay Leno for instance, technically just him writing notes for his monologue would have been against the WGA's no writing during strike. I'm sure they would have cut him some slack, but technically, it would have been against the strike if he did since he is a WGA member, and a performer.
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Two of the five are WGA members (Josh for sure maybe Frank?) and they were on strike from November to whenever. If they had Oozing Skull already written at the start of the strike and the punch ups were done by the three non-members so they could shoot, that could account for the delay.
Since it is the 5 of them they might have wanted to wait until all 5 could write or at least be free to write without screwing up their 'day jobs" so to speak.
The strike had nothing to do with CT, not a legal sense anyway.
What do you mean legal sense? If you were a WGA member then you couldn't practice your craft during the strike or face expulsion from the Union. That's all it meant. You couldn't be prosecuted. It was entirely the Union affiliation that was preventing WGA members from writing. That's it. So like he said, if some of them couldn't write for this reason that may have caused a delay. But who knows.
No that is wrong. You could write for yourself as much as you like, no one can stop you doing that. You could not work on any studio related product covered by the WG-Studio contract. In Mary Jo's new interview with Frank he was writing for Nickelodeon during the strike. The Strike did not cover all writing by it's members.
Ok, then what were the legal ramifications you were suggesting?
Wait, what? Did you quote correctly for that one , because it doesn't quite follow.
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 02:44:42 PM
No that is wrong. You could write for yourself as much as you like, no one can stop you doing that. You could not work on any studio related product covered by the WG-Studio contract. In Mary Jo's new interview with Frank he was writing for Nickelodeon during the strike. The Strike did not cover all writing by it's members.
Hang on. If Frank was writing for Nick, then was he working on an animated show? If so, it's my understanding that the animation writers are covered by a different contract and weren't on strike.
Uhh yeah, I'm the one saying that the Strike didn't stop all writing, because it doesn't cover all writing!
Quote from: BathTub on March 28, 2008, 03:49:39 PM
Wait, what? Did you quote correctly for that one , because it doesn't quite follow.
Actually it does follow if you read it. I was basically just saying there is were no
legal problems involved at all.
These are labor agreements, and since there was no contract at the time there was nothing
legally binding.
And where did I say there were legal ramifications? You are aware that when I said not I didn't really mean lots and lots and lots and lots?
The WGA Strike covered a very specific area of "Writing", which did not have anything to do with CT (or RiffTrax).
Sorry BTA I guess I'm just not clear on what you were asking me.
An explanation from the email newsletter:
QuoteSpeaking of our intentions, many of you may be saying to yourself: "That's great, I can download the first episode - now how about some MORE EPISODES, you lazy bums!?" Well, here's the deal: due to the disruption of the 100-day writer's strike, Hollywood has been in catch-up mode for the last couple of months making it impossible for us to secure a soundstage to shoot on at a rate we could afford. No one wanted to rent us a stage for a week when there were others in line wanting it for several weeks at a time...until NOW. We have officially secured a stage for the second week of May, at which time we will be shooting the next THREE EPISODES of CT! That means starting in June, we can all start to enjoy the regular release schedule we all hoped to achieve for CT. The positive response from people over "The Oozing Skull" combined with the amount of fun we've had working with each other made it a no-brainer for us to continue (no-brainers are the decisions we make best around here).
Sounds reasonable.
Not bad at all. means i will actually have some episodes to watch once i get back in 2 years. woo!
Nice to know they're smart enough to film more than one episode this time, but I'm shocked they had all that tons of scaffolding and junk and they didn't even have a permanent place to put it? Who has to lug it around, that's what I want to know.
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Hey, look at that... they're actually communicating with their customers! Go figure.
-Rude
Yeah, just got the same newsletter myself.. They'd Best be get'n Episode 2 relesed Soon just to hold us over >:(
This is great news.......I guarantee by this time next year no one will even remember that there was a long delay between the first episode and the rest....
Quote from: SaucyRossy on April 02, 2008, 10:16:23 AM
This is great news.......I guarantee by this time next year no one will even remember that there was a long delay between the first episode and the rest....
Oooohhh I Will!
I may forgive, but I Never Forget :P
Still no cover art.
Quote from: Bairman on April 02, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Still no cover art.
THAT'S what I Won't Forget! >:(
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Quote from: Bairman on April 02, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Still no cover art.
THAT'S what I Won't Forget! >:(
Sniff, sniff..... :'(
http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881 (http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881)
I'm glad they're getting a few done this time. Let's just hope they'll be available to download for non-US users too.
Awesome, more episodes.
Quote from: PSLOwner on April 02, 2008, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: RVR II on April 02, 2008, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: Bairman on April 02, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Still no cover art.
THAT'S what I Won't Forget! >:(
Sniff, sniff..... :'(
http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881 (http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881)
:o Perrrrty.. :P
Boohoo, at least you guys are allowed to buy the episodes. :P
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 02, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
Boohoo, at least you guys are allowed to buy the episodes. :P
I thought that had to do with somebody else owning the right to the international distribution of Brain of Blood.
I would complain to the owner of the Brain of Blood's International distribution rights.
Same kind of problems MST3k has had.
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Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 02, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
Boohoo, at least you guys are allowed to buy the episodes. :P
I thought that had to do with somebody else owning the right to the international distribution of Brain of Blood.
I would complain to the owner of the Brain of Blood's International distribution rights.
Same kind of problems MST3k has had.
I didn't blame CT.
Quote from: PSLOwner on April 02, 2008, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: RVR II on April 02, 2008, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: Bairman on April 02, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Still no cover art.
THAT'S what I Won't Forget! >:(
Sniff, sniff..... :'(
http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881 (http://pslowner.smugmug.com/gallery/2505605_puaSW#244157881)
Sorry PSL... didn't mean to hurt your feelings. ;-) Your cover is actually what I'm using right now, but CT said there would be downloadable cover art... and there was even a photo posted from their first live show indicating that there is official cover art for The Oozing Skull. So why haven't we seen it yet? I'd originally assumed it was because TOS wasn't available for download yet, but it's available now and there's still no cover art. If I decide to go the download route in the future (which I probably will due to the cost and the deplorable condition of the first disc), they'd better provide a disc label and cover art to download as well. Because if they can't do the job right... they won't be getting any more of my money.
Has anyone looked at the download instructions under "Label and Case" on EZTakes?
QuoteInstructions: Your DVD label and case images will be downloaded to the EZTakes Download Manager when you purchase and download a movie. The EZTakes Download Manager provides label and case printing capability or you can also use label printing programs from any vendor to print your labels and cases.
NOW the question is whether they'll make it available to the non-downloading customers....
Quote from: Pak-Man on April 03, 2008, 09:54:19 AM
Has anyone looked at the download instructions under "Label and Case" on EZTakes?
QuoteInstructions: Your DVD label and case images will be downloaded to the EZTakes Download Manager when you purchase and download a movie. The EZTakes Download Manager provides label and case printing capability or you can also use label printing programs from any vendor to print your labels and cases.
NOW the question is whether they'll make it available to the non-downloading customers....
That link was just added today. I checked before I posted this morning and it wasn't there.
And yes... they'd better make it available to those of use who ordered physical DVDs. Or else... ;)
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 02, 2008, 05:54:02 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 02, 2008, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 02, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
Boohoo, at least you guys are allowed to buy the episodes. :P
I thought that had to do with somebody else owning the right to the international distribution of Brain of Blood.
I would complain to the owner of the Brain of Blood's International distribution rights.
Same kind of problems MST3k has had.
I didn't blame CT.
I didn't mean to imply you were blaming them. I'm just saying that's who you should complain to.
I -emailed EZ-Takes about cover art and this is what I got:
QuoteHello,
This is the current case art, Cinematic Titanic did not provide us with
proper graphics. We should be getting proper graphics from them at some
point.
Regards,
Sharon
There was a jpg attachment with a very generic low-res cover.
Well at least EZ takes still thinks the graphics are on the way.
Quote from: Raven on April 03, 2008, 03:53:23 PM
Well at least EZ takes still thinks the graphics are on the way.
I've downloaded a few movies from EZ Takes before and the "artwork" is a standard template that is just full of ugly text. I fail to see how anyone would actually use it.
I thought it might be different since they said Cinematic Titanic was supposed to send them images.
Quote from: Raven on April 03, 2008, 04:19:49 PM
I thought it might be different since they said Cinematic Titanic was supposed to send them images.
Maybe it will be the sweet cover that Trace's wife made. That would look nice.
It depends on the release. I have downloaded a couple of DVDs and got 300dpi jpgs of the retail covers minus the bar code.
Quote from: MrTorso on April 03, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
It depends on the release. I have downloaded a couple of DVDs and got 300dpi jpgs of the retail covers minus the bar code.
Oh, that is good to hear.
Maybe my film noir movies did not merit a good cover.
Quote from: PSLOwner on April 03, 2008, 05:04:00 PM
Quote from: MrTorso on April 03, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
It depends on the release. I have downloaded a couple of DVDs and got 300dpi jpgs of the retail covers minus the bar code.
Oh, that is good to hear.
Maybe my film noir movies did not merit a good cover.
Granted these aren't r1db.com quality jpgs as they needed some work (color correcting etc..).
New CT review here (http://www.cinematical.com/2008/04/07/killer-bs-on-dvd-the-oozing-skull/).
If by "new" you mean... "late."
Well, yes. :)
Hmmmm, I've love to support this project but everything I'm seeing so far speaks of bad business practices. One release during how many months of hype so far? And even that release is not yet available on physical DVD? And the cover art still hasn't been made available to the people who downloaded the first episode? All in all it reeks of unprofessionalism in almost all phases. I think I'll check back in a year and see if they have their heads out of their asses yet.
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 26, 2008, 07:41:00 PM
And even that release is not yet available on physical DVD?
Yeah, you can get the physical DVD. You always could. It was the digital download that you couldn't get, but now can.
I stand corrected. So what was all this I was reading about cover art then? Does the physical DVD have cover art on it? If so then I can't imagine any reason the downloads wouldn't.
The physical release is just a pressed dvd with a label, no cover art and no case. It's my understanding that there is now cover art, but it is not in a high enough quality format to make it worth downloading. Not sure if that is EZTakes problem or Cin Tit's. Probably Cin Tit's.
The PDF file cover is really good quality. You can download it from EZ takes.
Yeah there was a super crappy jpeg that EzTakes sent me directly when I asked about. It was all kinds of f-d up. There is now a high quality PDF on the EzTakes page for Oozing Skull that you can download.
During the autograph session after the live event in Dallas, they had DVDs available with a conventional case and cover that the cast would all sign. Unfortunately, I didn't have the $25 for the DVD, so I went with the 8x10 glossy for the Titans to sign.
And now that I've seen it, the cover they signed is the cover available from EZTakes, but the space where the time tube photo is was blank so they could sign there.
Mary Jo says they are filming three new episodes in the next few days, it's great to see one of these things finally getting going. I can't take the month or more wait between episodes.
Rifftrax itself of course cranks them out on a regular basis but I'm too lazy or too cheap to grab all the DVDs I'd need.
Quote from: CM916 on May 05, 2008, 11:04:08 PM
I can't take the month or more wait between episodes.
Don't you mean
five months between episodes?
Almost as long as Riff Raff Theater! ;)
Quote from: Imrahil on May 06, 2008, 07:39:00 AM
Quote from: bratpop on May 06, 2008, 12:47:56 AM
Almost as long as Riff Raff Theater! ;)
That's what she said.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2008, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on April 19, 2008, 09:39:45 AM
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Quote from: bratpop on April 19, 2008, 02:25:20 AM
Oooh, snap!
ooh, you're in trouble
I new I created a text document of that quote for a reason.
Hahaha.
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/store.html
The Wasp Woman is now available :highfive:
Now I see how you get your post count so high...
Quote from: BEERxTaco on August 12, 2008, 12:41:33 PM
Now I see how you get your post count so high...
It was an accident.. Honest! :-X
I still haven't figured out Tripe's method yet :-[
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You'd think CT is paying you to advertise this release or something. ;)
-Rude
Quote from: Rude on August 12, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
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You'd think CT is paying you to advertise this release or something. ;)
-Rude
Hell! I'm just glad they're
FINALLY Releasing them as advertised! :highfive: