New Transformers movie in 2 years
September 27, 2007 - After weeks of "will he or won't he return?" buzz, Michael Bay will reportedly reprise his directing duties for Paramount and DreamWorks' Transformers 2, which is targeting a tentative June 26, 2009 release.
According to Variety, "Bay has not yet inked a deal to helm the follow-up but is in the final stages of negotiation. With Bay's involvement, [the first film's star, Shia] LaBeouf is expected to return as well."
Also, even if DreamWorks topper Steven Spielberg, who exec produced Transformers, leaves the studio as industry pundits suggest he might, the trade claims he'll remain involved with the sequel.
The studios are said to want Transformers 2 in production before the expected industry strikes happen mid-next year even if, as Variety suggests, "they have to finish after it." The June 26, 2009 release date isn't set in stone because of that.
Source: http://movies.ign.com/articles/823/823338p1.html
Ah, good, well now I know one thing I won't be doing in Summer 2009. :)
Thanks for the heads up. ;)
They've picked an exact day 2 years in the future?
Coming Summer 2009:
Transformers 2: We're Sorry.
Man you guys are harsh. :) I'm not ashamed to say that I did a happy dance when I read this. And I know I'm not alone.
Hopefully there will be robots in this one.
And fighting and explosions. Those are a must. If they get those elements in, we got ourselves a popcorn movie in '09. :^)
Quote from: pyro on September 27, 2007, 10:24:53 AM
They've picked an exact day 2 years in the future?
Oh yeah, it's a growing trend. Seems a bit dicey to me, you're warning your competitors of when you're releasing your "good" stuff.
Quote from: Tyrant on September 27, 2007, 10:27:57 AM
Man you guys are harsh. :) I'm not ashamed to say that I did a happy dance when I read this. And I know I'm not alone.
Don't worry you're not alone Tyrant. I loved the first one, was a very good summer popcorn flick
Quote from: torgosPizza on September 27, 2007, 10:29:46 AM
Hopefully there will be robots in this one.
I don't know. Michael Bay seemed perfectly content showing people a hell of a lot more than the robots in the first one. Bay isn't much for creativity so I'm thinking we'll get more of the same in the sequel.
Prepare yourself for pain.
Sorry, there were no robots in the first movie. There were just CGI car commercials that temporarily stopped advertising their products for a few seconds at a time here and there.
The Dinobots are rumored to be included in this one. So even when they aren't in robot mode, we'll see giant mechanical dinosaurs blowing crap up. I think that's pretty awesome.
Quote from: Tyrant on September 27, 2007, 10:44:47 AM
The Dinobots are rumored to be included in this one. So even when they aren't in robot mode, we'll see giant mechanical dinosaurs blowing crap up. I think that's pretty awesome.
In that case, they will have a visible Mattel logo on the dinosaurs, or they will destroy a whole bunch of cars at once, but all of the GM model ones will be miraculously unharmed by the rampant destruction. ;)
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 27, 2007, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on September 27, 2007, 10:44:47 AM
The Dinobots are rumored to be included in this one. So even when they aren't in robot mode, we'll see giant mechanical dinosaurs blowing crap up. I think that's pretty awesome.
In that case, they will have a visible Mattel logo on the dinosaurs, or they will destroy a whole bunch of cars at once, but all of the GM model ones will be miraculously unharmed by the rampant destruction. ;)
LOL!!! :D Perhaps, but it will still be awesome.
If Unicron's not in this one, then count me out.
;)
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on September 27, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
If Unicron's not in this one, then count me out.
Unicron would be awesome.
But seriously. Whoever said "We need more exposition! More people talking and robots performing funny antics trying to hide from our main guy's parents. Oh yeah and show the cute funny robot spy dude rummaging around Air Force One for half an hour. Also, can we put the Men in Black in this movie somehow?" needs to stay the hell away from Transformers 2: GoBots On Patrol.
Quote from: torgosPizza on September 27, 2007, 11:10:09 AM
Transformers 2: GoBots On Patrol.
That's a film I would be eager to see, who will be the voice of Cy-Kill?
They're saving him for the third movie.
Edit: Referring to Unicron.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on September 27, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: torgosPizza on September 27, 2007, 11:10:09 AM
Transformers 2: GoBots On Patrol.
That's a film I would be eager to see, who will be the voice of Cy-Kill?
Ahh, Cy-Kill! One of my favorite Go-Bots. My last surviving memory of when I lived in Grand Junction Colorado back in 1986, was playing with a Cy-Kill toy that I "borrowed" from a friend.
Memories....
Quote from: Tyrant on September 27, 2007, 11:25:26 AM
They're saving him for the third movie.
Well at least we could have Scooter and he can be voiced by Frank Welker, it'll make up for not voicing Megatron. ;)
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on September 27, 2007, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on September 27, 2007, 11:25:26 AM
They're saving him for the third movie.
Well at least we could have Scooter and he can be voiced by Frank Welker, it'll make up for not voicing Megatron.
No, not really. ;D
If they get anyone but Frank Welker to do the voice of Scooter, I'm boycotting the movie. :^)
I heard a rumor that Hugo Weaving's been re-watching old tapes of Challenge of the Go-Bots and The Real Ghostbusters to get the voice just right. :D
Hugo Weaving IS Slimer IN Transformers meet The Ghostbusters!
He's a weird Slimer-Scooter hybrid,: a gluttonous slightly cowardly Go-Bot from beyond the grave.
Quote from: Pak-Man on September 27, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
Hugo Weaving IS Slimer IN Transformers meet The Ghostbusters!
Venkman: I think we need a bigger trap.
Quote from: RoninFox on September 27, 2007, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: Pak-Man on September 27, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
Hugo Weaving IS Slimer IN Transformers meet The Ghostbusters!
Venkman: I think we need a bigger trap.
That's what she said. :D
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on September 27, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
If Unicron's not in this one, then count me out.
;)
I don't know - what if they put flames on him? That would probably piss the HELL out of you guys. Hell hath no fury like a nerd scorned.
Yes, but, to be fair... EVERYTHING pisses nerds off. :)
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 27, 2007, 04:16:57 PM
Yes, but, to be fair... EVERYTHING pisses nerds off. :)
How could you say that? Damn that pissed me off.
Quote from: RoninFox on September 27, 2007, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 27, 2007, 04:16:57 PM
Yes, but, to be fair... EVERYTHING pisses nerds off. :)
How could you say that? Damn that pissed me off.
You saying I can't say what I want to say? Who do you think you are, anyway? You are REALLY pissing me off...
Look, your pointless arguing is REALLY starting to piss me off!
NOW YOU'VE PISSED OFF 'KITTY'!!!
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Why is everyone being such a dick all of a sudden about Transformers? The movie was very good. Granted, it wasn't as good as the original Transformers movie, but then again... what is?
I dunno... because we're dicks? ;)
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 27, 2007, 10:40:32 PM
I dunno... because we're dicks? ;)
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't meant as an insult, just a term of endearment.
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on September 27, 2007, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 27, 2007, 10:40:32 PM
I dunno... because we're dicks? ;)
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't meant as an insult, just a term of endearment.
Nah, it's all good. In case you haven't noticed, I'm kind of proud of the fact that I don't put up with crap. I sorta tend to tell it like I see it, regardless of whether or not that wins me points. ;)
Quote from: Imrahil on September 27, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Unicron? Seriously, that's a name? And people make fun of George Lucas...
Is Unicron a giant robotic unicorn?
Imrahil... are you ever not an idiot? Oh, and btw, the times when you are a moron do not count.
Quote from: Imrahil on September 27, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Unicron? Seriously, that's a name? And people make fun of George Lucas...
Is Unicron a giant robotic unicorn?
Do you have some kind of brain tumor that makes your mind transpose two letters in the same word? Because
unless I am mistaken, unicorn and Unicron are two different things. See, you see Unicron and you naturally and
stupidly assume that you see the word "unicorn" instead of Unicron(which btw is a proper name since the first letter is capitalized)
Of course, there's the possibility that you are writing all that just to be an a-hole, which I am guessing is far more likely than any other explanation, given your massive head full o' shit.
Yikes! Too much bitter, everyone. :^)
I, for one, would love to see a movie about a planet-devouring unicorn. :^)
Quote from: Pak-Man on September 27, 2007, 11:58:35 PM
I, for one, would love to see a movie about a planet-devouring unicorn. :^)
I always loved unicorns since "My little pony"(My brothers of course were into Transformers), but I think that the only way for a planet-devouring unicorn to be plausible, it would have to eat planet earth in teeny, tiny bites.
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on September 27, 2007, 10:16:30 PM
Why is everyone being such a dick all of a sudden about Transformers?
I know this is hard to believe but some people out there don't like the new Transformers movie. I know that it's crazy but that's just the way it is.
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on September 27, 2007, 10:16:30 PMThe movie was very good.
In your opinion, of course. In my opinion it sucked more than a vampire. To each their own.
I'll admit I enjoyed the new Transformers movie. It wasn't the greatest thing ever, but at least it was more fun for me than those crappy remakes of the series where everyone fought over Minicons.
Unicron wouldn't be the same today because no one could outdo Orson fricking Wells doing the voice, even if I still say having Orson play a giant ball that devours worlds was typecasting.
Quote from: RoninFox on September 28, 2007, 04:59:02 AM
even if I still say having Orson play a giant ball that devours worlds was typecasting.
That's hardly fair. He couldn't possibly have devoured more than, what, two or three worlds? Be reasonable...
Plus he'd have required a few carafes of Paul Mason wine to wash it all down with.
Quote from: Imrahil on September 28, 2007, 07:15:46 AM
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on September 27, 2007, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on September 27, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Unicron? Seriously, that's a name? And people make fun of George Lucas...
Is Unicron a giant robotic unicorn?
Imrahil... are you ever not an idiot? Oh, and btw, the times when you are a moron do not count.
I love you. I Truly. Deeply. Love you.
I find it funny that the comment comes on a thread for a
Transformers movie.
I don't recall Skin-trade chiming in when we're discussing classical literature ;D
You have to cut the Transformers some slack when it comes to their names... what if they were called "Zords?" Now that's /much/ worse....
Quote from: Imrahil on September 28, 2007, 04:34:31 PM
Yeah, well. For some reason, Transformers makes people go all Johnny Short-Torso.
I personally get very touchy about it because I don't think Transformers ever got its share of respect. And as for classical literature, well I don't feel i'm qualified to make any negative Judgments about that because 1) I don't read much classical literature simply because I don't have the time, and 2) I feel the judgment of books should be very careful, as it's not like you can watch the book. You have to take a lot of time, intensity and concentration to really absorb detail and information coming from the pages of a book.
To each his own I say. And I have to admit Im a little offended that I havent been mentioned yet as the resident forum Autobot. I presonally am fascinated by the concept of a race of warring transforming robots. I understand not all of you agree, and I dont like things that some of you guys like. Like Dr. Who I find completely retarded. I enjoyed the hell out of the first movie and I cant wait to see what they do with a sequel. Also one more thing. People need to get over the fact that the Autobots were all GM products. What did you expect, a bunch of generic automobiles driving around? 90% of movies now a days are filled to the brim with product placement. More than likely Transformers 2 will feature some cars from different companies. So stop whining that all the cars are the same brand, and remember, think to yourself its just a show, you should really just relax.
That is all for now.
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on September 28, 2007, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on September 28, 2007, 04:34:31 PM
Yeah, well. For some reason, Transformers makes people go all Johnny Short-Torso.
I personally get very touchy about it because I don't think Transformers ever got its share of respect.
Wait, people fail to show respect for a television show that was designed
specifically to attempt to brainwash impressionable young children into buying a certain line of toys?
Well, now my world view is just all totally screwed up. I mean, if we can't respect a show for BRAINWASHING CHILDREN, what is there to rely on anymore? IS NOTHING SACRED?? WON'T SOMEBODY
PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??
;)
Quote from: ChaosFromOrder on September 28, 2007, 08:11:04 PM
Wait, people fail to show respect for a television show that was designed specifically to attempt to brainwash impressionable young children into buying a certain line of toys?
Well, now my world view is just all totally screwed up. I mean, if we can't respect a show for BRAINWASHING CHILDREN, what is there to rely on anymore? IS NOTHING SACRED?? WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??
That may have been the original intent, but obviously Transformers ended up being something way more than just a brainwashing advertisement to get kids to beg their parents for money for die-cast toys. I thought the movie from 86 was absolutely terrific. I am sure though that you know all this already though, you Anarchist. ;)
I, being one of many millions of Transformers fans loves the movie even though all the spin-off series from the past several years have been an embarrassment and a disgrace to the Transformers universe. It's kind of like Star Wars. I love the original Trilogy even though the prequels were the biggest butt-load of monkey turds imaginable. In this case though, the movie from 1986 was a kind of fluke I guess because they made one hell of a dark and character-oriented film and they had no idea people would groan and moan about the robots being killed and the death of Optimus until after it opened. I tend to agree with whoever said it earlier, this years Transformers movie was very good, was no work of genius by any means, but very good. The original Transformers was great. G1 owns.
Honestly, I never saw Transformers as anything other than throw-away entertainment involving robots fighting each other. Sorry, but I've never thought the idea of "shape-shifting robotic aliens deriving their power from a matrix or cube" could be classified as intellectually compelling science fiction.
Giving the various robots actual personality makes it more fun, sure, but it doesn't really add anything special for them to be robots as opposed to, say, interstellar lawyers with missile launchers mounted on their shoulders. At least not for me. Maybe I'm just not a very good nerd. In any case, I've never really taken Transformers seriously, even as an impressionable young child watching TV on Saturdays. Though it's fine by me if you DO take them seriously. I mean, I think Road House is the best American movie ever made, so who am I to judge?
Nonetheless, I was rather annoyed that Michael Bay found a way to actually make a live-action Transformers film in which the central premise of robots turning into terrestrial vehicles was the LEAST ridiculous part of the movie.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on September 30, 2007, 05:46:09 PM
Though it's fine by me if you DO take them seriously. I mean, I think Road House is the best American movie ever made, so who am I to judge?
So, you like movies with shirtless patrick swayzes, skinny as rails women and Sam Elliots showing off scars on their crotches? Okay, okay, that's fine!
Beef, its whats for dinner.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on September 30, 2007, 05:46:09 PM
Honestly, I never saw Transformers as anything other than throw-away entertainment involving robots fighting each other. Sorry, but I've never thought the idea of "shape-shifting robotic aliens deriving their power from a matrix or cube" could be classified as intellectually compelling science fiction.
Then you've never read Simon Furman's take on the universe, my friend. Yeah, the cartoon was campy as hell, and Bay's movie had its moments of ridiculousness, but Marvel UK's best decision ever with the franchise was handing it over to an intelligent British writer.
Then again, I think most things can be made better by handing them to intelligent British writers.
Or just someone British.
I like British people.
Okay, so anyway, the TF universe is large enough that not everyone who's a Transfan is going to like 100% of it. I for one think the cartoon was awesome, but very silly. Pak and I more riff it than actually watch it when we break out our DVDs. I'm sure a few TF nerds out there would scream heresy at that. Although one has only to glance into my closets and in my room to see what a huge TF nerd I am. I'm one of the biggest advocates of either Bay's movie or the original animated movie getting riffed on these boards. I think everyone should have fun with their obsession and not take it so seriously. If you do, then you'll get all offended (like PST) when someone has the audacity to poke fun at it.
2 weeks to the day till Transformers comes out on dvd.
Anyone have any idea what this "Transformers Prequel" is that they're boasting about as a Walmart exclusive giveaway with the movie DVD?
Its basicly an animated comic with the voice of Peter Cullen and a few others from the movie.
I imagine the plot of such a prequel could be accurately described as "like Killdozer, only stupider."
Michael Bay's Transformers is the worst film ever made, and I really, really mean that.
Uwe Boll makes Michael Bay look like a genius.
When is the Go-Bot movie coming out, SideSwipe?
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 04:53:14 PM
Michael Bay's Transformers is the worst film ever made, and I really, really mean that.
Really? Have you seen Troll 2? I can name countless films that were worse.
Michael Bay's Transformers was not classic cinema, but I think you're using a eensy bit of hyperbole there, kid.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 18, 2007, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 04:53:14 PM
Michael Bay's Transformers is the worst film ever made, and I really, really mean that.
Really? Have you seen Troll 2? I can name countless films that were worse.
Michael Bay's Transformers was not classic cinema, but I think you're using a eensy bit of hyperbole there, kid.
Yeah, it's really, really bad, but it's not the absolute worst movie ever made in the history of movies. Have you seen Garbage Pail Kids: The Movie?
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 04:53:14 PM
Michael Bay's Transformers is the worst film ever made, and I really, really mean that.
You're welcome to your opinion and you're certianly not the only one on this forum who feels this way, but I'd be very curious to know how Transformers can be the worst film ever made by your logic. The worst film every made fails on every conceivable level there is to filmography, and even the worst movie everyone can possibly think of has SOMETHING going for it to that end. To suggest that Transformers is the worst movie ever made would be to suggest that your opinion is 100% objective, which is impossible because no one's opinion can be 100% objective. You'd be trying to take an art form and mold it into a system of absolutes.
The wost movie ever made would be logically
unwatchable to every human being on the planet regardless of culture, creed, sex, race, and all the other things that mold and shape how we percieve reality, and there's never been a movie like since the birth of moving pictures. As hard as it is to believe, at least
one person on the entire planet thinks Uwe Boll is a genius and adore his movies as works of art. It may actually be Uwe Boll himself, but I think I prove my point.
Well, I disagree with the claim, but there are other factors to consider. Did watching Transformers ruin the more traditional Transformers he (likely) loved? Uwe Bole makes bad films, but he doesn't ruin anything we love. Caring effects things.
Otherwise, yeah, hyperbole.
Quote from: Junkyard on November 18, 2007, 06:24:07 PM
Well, I disagree with the claim, but there are other factors to consider. Did watching Transformers ruin the more traditional Transformers he (likely) loved? Uwe Bole makes bad films, but he doesn't ruin anything we love. Caring effects things.
Otherwise, yeah, hyperbole.
I have to agree. I love zombies. Because of House of the Dead, I, like many, now have a reason to want Uwe Boll dead. Or at least removed from society. Perhaps otherwise I wouldn't care. However, my point was mostly that no matter how bad a movie is, one should try to have a smidgen of compassion for it because there's at least one fellow human being out there who thinks it's awesome. I know someone out there thought House of the Dead rocked, and this awareness takes the metaphorical sword out of my metaphorical hands. I'm still working on Along Came Polly. I know some day I'll get there.
I suppose I'm saying all this because I'm getting ready to spend Thanksgiving with my in-laws, and I've often found myself forced to watch movies I have little to no interest in anytime I spend a holiday with them. I have to find ways of comforting myself with logic so I can forgive. :)
I'd be more agreeable if he said, "In my opinion, it's the worst movie I've ever seen."
For one, you can't know it's the worse movie ever made unless you are at least familiar with all the movies ever made. That is probably not possible. We would also have to define what you qualify as a movie.
For two, "It's the worst movie ever made" is not expressed as an opinion. It's stated as a fact, which it is obviously not. He didn't even say, "I really, really believe that" which would move it to the opinion realm. He said he really means that.
I've got no qualms with someone thinking it's the worse movie they've seen. There's a difference in perspective though. Most fanboys don't realize that when they're shouting, "OMIGAWD!!! MIKEEL BAY IS THE SUX0R!!" and then go to further blame him for the destruction of all that is good in the world and blame Optimus Prime's lips for taking away their will to live.
Not that GalvaTRION is a fanboy. I have no idea.
And I liked the Transformers movie and I am a fangirl ;)
Honestly, though- I think a lot of people get more defensive regarding Transformers than they should. I think it is because, at some level, we all realize that, whether we liked it or not, (and I did,) it wasn't a "good" movie.
It wasn't Oscar quality if that's what you mean, but it was a typical low IQ, big budget, summer movie.
Most of the action movies in the summer aren't "good" films by those standards. They're there for the action an special effects and purely made to be mindless, entertaining and get people in the seats. Look at Independence Day. How awful was that? How many racial stereotypes and cheesy one-liners can you fit in one film? However, it's a fun action flick. You really can't hold either against Casablanca or The Shawshank Redemption. It's a different type of film.
If you judge Transformers against typical, blockbuster action film standards, do you think it's really that "bad" of a movie? It was entertaining which i think is what that type of film wants to do. It doesn't want to do anything else, just like Independence Day. I got what I expected. I wasn't expecting Casablanca.
I think the problem is we're all a bunch of movie snobs here who probably wouldn't be caught dead in I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. :)
Hmm... See, I can't call that film "good" after the 3 hour detour at Sam's house. Bumbling bots, awkward masturabation/parents scene...
If they had re-written that scene, and taken out FAT STERIOTYPE BLACK HACKER JACKASS, then the film would have been totally awesome.
Quote from: Junkyard on November 18, 2007, 08:47:38 PM
Hmm... See, I can't call that film "good" after the 3 hour detour at Sam's house. Bumbling bots, awkward masturabation/parents scene...
If they had re-written that scene, and taken out FAT STERIOTYPE BLACK HACKER JACKASS, then the film would have been totally awesome.
The theater I was in, people laughed during that scene. [shrugs] Maybe I just go to low class theaters. :) I admit it could have been cut a bit, but some of the lower brow humor in there was probably in because that's what the masses like.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 18, 2007, 08:32:59 PM
I'd be more agreeable if he said, "In my opinion, it's the worst movie I've ever seen."
Just throwing this out there, but...
What else would it be
but his
opinion? Now it took me 18 years to realize this so I'm not talking down, but it has occurred to be that a hypothetical other person describing his thoughts to me doesn't need to put the "It's just my opinion, but..." disclaimer because it kind of goes without saying that it is his opinion and nothing more.
We certainly know better than to assume that this hypothetical opinion speaks for all of us, so what purpose does the disclaimer serve except to pad our perceptions?
Now criticizing his tact is reasonable, but I don't think anyone should have to declare before posting that his or her following post will include an opinion.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 18, 2007, 08:42:32 PM
If you judge Transformers against typical, blockbuster action film standards, do you think it's really that "bad" of a movie? It was entertaining which i think is what that type of film wants to do. It doesn't want to do anything else, just like Independence Day. I got what I expected. I wasn't expecting Casablanca.
I wasn't expecting a masterpiece either, but that doesn't really excuse stupid, avoidable faults that
Transformers has. I find the movie hard to watch (mostly because of the dialogue and shaky camera effect) regardless of what standard I judge it by. The irritating parts outweight the fun robot fighting parts, so I won't watch it much in the future except for the riff. I do, however, still think it could have been better by making some simple, low-impact changes, and apart from your understandable frustrating at hearing repeated criticism of this movie I think I should have the right to say, within reason, that I don't like it.
Quote from: RobtheBarbarian on November 18, 2007, 08:56:14 PM
Just throwing this out there, but...
What else would it be but his opinion? Now it took me 18 years to realize this so I'm not talking down, but it has occurred to be that a hypothetical other person describing his thoughts to me doesn't need to put the "It's just my opinion, but..." disclaimer because it kind of goes without saying that it is his opinion and nothing more. We certainly know better than to assume that this hypothetical opinion speaks for all of us, so what purpose does the disclaimer serve except to pad our perceptions?
I guess, as I mentioned, it's just the general tone. I would prefer if he acted as if he knew it was just his opinion. I do agree with you that you don't have to say, "this is my opinion," however, it's nice if you realize it's your opinion and you don't go around stating opinions as facts. Many people do that. When you remind them it's an opinion, they argue. That annoys me. Surely you've met such persons.
And, you can surely hold an opinion that movie is bad. I never said you couldn't.
Absolutely. I figured it might have been the attitude that bothered you more than anything, and I empathize.
The Rifftrax is going to be hilarious, anyway. I think we can all agree on that (probably not).
I think this is the first movie that I can say is perfect for riffing and mean it completely.
I have to agree. Even though I liked it, I see the absurdity of it at the same time. Heck, it's Michael Bay. I found myself laughing inappropriately even without Mike's comments, but I tend to do that with most movies.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 18, 2007, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 04:53:14 PM
Michael Bay's Transformers is the worst film ever made, and I really, really mean that.
Really? Have you seen Troll 2? I can name countless films that were worse.
Michael Bay's Transformers was not classic cinema, but I think you're using a eensy bit of hyperbole there, kid.
No, I mean that literally. I haven't seen Troll 2, but being a MST3K fan, not to mention someone who owns 5 Ed Wood movies, 10 Godzilla movies, and actually sat all the way through Catwoman, yes, I really and truely literally mean that it's the worst movie ever made. Hang fanboyism, hang the fact that it's an adaptation of a previous work- as someone who appreciates film, I'm angry that something like it actually exists. It isn't a movie, it's an infomercial you have to pay to see. It's patient zero for the direction in which the "summer blockbuster" is going. From King Kong, to Gojira, to Forbidden Planet, then to the 70s and 80s ovure of Speilberg and Lucas, was a significant upward trend in quality. Then came the massive fucking dip in quality with the introduction of Roland Emmrich and Michael Bay. Mr. Bay's movies have somehow managed to become more and more brutally braindead over time, until finally he reached Transformers. Were TF a failure, I wouldn't have worried. However, since it is technically the most profitable blockbuster of the year, plus a massive merchandise machine (bringing Transformers back to being the #1 toy), plus the fifty or so movies based on toys now being rushed into production (seriously: Robosapien is in production right now), plus the continued success of movies that serve as infomercials (I, Robot, I'm looking your direction). It is the cinema equivalent of a happy meal: Cheap, flavor-injected, mass-produced, assembly line poison.
(*contiinues ranting while stomping off*)
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 09:21:06 PM
It isn't a movie, it's an infomercial you have to pay to see.
Well, all other things aside (I don't like arguing with brick walls), I just want to say this: you realize that Hasbro had a great deal do with the original series, right? Heck, Hasbro wouldn't sell anything to do with it though. They're purists. I'm sure they just made the cartoon to enrich our lives and the toys were not for profit, but for the good of all mankind.
Quote from: AmandaGal on November 18, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 09:21:06 PM
It isn't a movie, it's an infomercial you have to pay to see.
Well, all other things aside (I don't like arguing with brick walls), I just want to say this: you realize that Hasbro had a great deal do with the original series, right? Heck, Hasbro wouldn't sell anything to do with it though. They're purists. I'm sure they just made the cartoon to enrich our lives and the toys were not for profit, but for the good of all mankind.
What boggles my mind is why anyone would waste energy supporting a film created by Michael Bay. Transformers should have been a movie about fucking Transformers, not whether or not some pussy fuck could make it with his high school's chief slut. I could care less. That's the real problem with the film. The Transformers were never fleshed out as real characters. The were almost incidental to the plot. Everything seemed to hinge on whether or not that kid could pull his head out of his ass long enough to find some glasses and use them to find a box that turns into a bigger box when rubbed correctly.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 18, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
some pussy fuck
I think you need to find a DICKtionary... get it? DICKtionary?
Quote from: GalvaTRION on November 18, 2007, 09:21:06 PM
. It is the cinema equivalent of a happy meal: Cheap, flavor-injected, mass-produced, assembly line poison.
(*contiinues ranting while stomping off*)
I don't think we have ever talked before, but i'm already seeing that our relationship is going to start off very rocky. I think you are acting like an ingrate, spoiled little shit who can't accept the fact that things change, and that if it had no budget it could have been a real disaster of Uwe Boll proportions. And luckily Michael Bay has a good eye for action, and I could imagine lots more going wrong if he had not helmed the movie. Furthermore, if I hated Transformers, I would at the very least have the balls to say that it's not the worst movie ever made, and not by many astronomical units(About 93 million miles each). If you disagree, fine, you're entitled to your own opinion, just make sure you're reaching it with a more objective eye, because there are truly much, much, MUCH worse movies out there! *cough*going overboard*cough*
Well, I think fans of the movie can agree that it's not for everyone.
Now if we could only get everyone to agree that there should be fans of the movie. :^)
In a perfect world i'd say no but it's clearly not a perfect world! :D
Quote from: Cognac on November 18, 2007, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 18, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
some pussy fuck
I think you need to find a DICKtionary... get it? DICKtionary?
Is that in the Transformers vocabulary?? ::) :D :D
Bay is the greatest director that ever walked the Earth.
See what I did there, I stated something in extreme hyperbole that should be an opinion but was worded as a fact.
See how dumb it makes me look? ;D
Yeah I enjoyed the movie, but calling Bay the greatest director that ever walked the Earth is like calling me a world class athelete when the most physical thing I do is playing "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games" on Wii. Also calling "Transformers" the worst film ever made is like calling "Manos: Hands of Fate" "Citizen Kane."
You know, I don't think I will ever get over my ire over this lackluster, amateurish venture in shiving a huge middle finger in my face hyperbolically with this franchise. I do not want to associate with anyone who funds these piles of excrement willingly.
I liked it, great popcorn action flick ... albeit the peeing robot joke and the hide a robot joke were stupid ... the rest of the movie was good. I really don't know what you guys (and gals) were expecting from this movie? It was an action movie about space robots ... knowing nothing about the Transformer universe I can truthfully say that the movie was exactly what I was expecting it to be.
Quote from: Minnesota on November 19, 2007, 06:24:40 AM
I liked it, great popcorn action flick ... albeit the peeing robot joke and the hide a robot joke were stupid ... the rest of the movie was good. I really don't know what you guys (and gals) were expecting from this movie? It was an action movie about space robots ... knowing nothing about the Transformer universe I can truthfully say that the movie was exactly what I was expecting it to be.
I think it all stems from being attached to the past versions. I find it very interesting that I, who had a passing interest in Transformers in the past, enjoyed it and my roommate who could never stand Transformers before loved it.
Then again my other roommate loved Transformers before and he enjoyed the movie too, especially in the geekier moments like when Prime quoted the old movie.
Quote from: Minnesota on November 19, 2007, 06:24:40 AM
I liked it, great popcorn action flick ... albeit the peeing robot joke and the hide a robot joke were stupid ... the rest of the movie was good. I really don't know what you guys (and gals) were expecting from this movie? It was an action movie about space robots ... knowing nothing about the Transformer universe I can truthfully say that the movie was exactly what I was expecting it to be.
Batman Begins was Light Years better and it was a Summer Blockbuster. F*** Michael Bay.
Quote from: Minnesota on November 19, 2007, 06:24:40 AMI really don't know what you guys (and gals) were expecting from this movie?
Oh, I think bettertommorrowamy answered that very question earlier in this thread:
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 18, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
Transformers should have been a movie about fucking Transformers, not whether or not some pussy fuck could make it with his high school's chief slut. I could care less. That's the real problem with the film. The Transformers were never fleshed out as real characters. The were almost incidental to the plot. Everything seemed to hinge on whether or not that kid could pull his head out of his ass long enough to find some glasses and use them to find a box that turns into a bigger box when rubbed correctly.
I would've used a little more tact than he did. Still, we basically agree on what we wanted this movie to be.
Although I liked Shia's performance, that does actually make a bit more sence ... not being a Transformers cartoon fan I guess I missed that omission. I suppose it would be a bit like making a ninja turtles movie, then consentraiting on the human character. Although turtles (1990) did this with the "danny" and "april" subplots, it also was a crowd pleaser with plenty of turtle action.
I have very mixed feelings about the first movie.
I loved the parts where the Robots were fighting but I couldn't stand the 'Comedy"bits(Robots peeing,masterbation jokes in a movie based on kids toys seemed out of place,and don't get me started on the stereotypes this may have been the most racist movie since Birth of a nation).
If I here from a reviewer that I trust that they have fixed those things I will gladly go and watch the mayhem,but if they haven't I know I will not see it in the theaters and I may not even rent it.
For me any way the Transformers movie was 45% good/55% bad.
Fun fact! The Masturbation joke was improved by the actress. (So sayeth the cool HD commentary with video clips spliced in. :^))
I don't mind people who hate this movie. I personally loved this movie, but like I said, it's not for everyone. What gets me is the people who take it personally. Like the movie was specifically designed to enrage them. I'm a Transformers fan from WAY back, and have more than a few of them staring at me from my computer desk as I type this, and I know the Transformers mythos, be it comic book or cartoon. I can say that Bay successfully made me, a Transformers fan, happy, so his intent COULDN'T have been to irk the Transfromers fans (Which is a silly goal to begin with.) So maybe you're the biggest TF fan in the world and this movie wasn't your cup of tea. There are many, many, many, many other incarnations of the Transformers to enjoy. Maybe you just like to hate Michael Bay movies. That's understandable, but as stupid as his movies tend to be, Bay and Transformers was a match made in heaven. The two work together nicely and I enjoyed the results.
But tomorrow, lovers and haters alike will get the oportunity to laugh at the TF movie. I suggest we all do that. It really beats getting angry over the Transformers movie. :^)
Quote from: Shakespeare's Sister on November 19, 2007, 06:17:48 AM
You know, I don't think I will ever get over my ire over this lackluster, amateurish venture in shiving a huge middle finger in my face hyperbolically with this franchise. I do not want to associate with anyone who funds these piles of excrement willingly.
Oh it's not nearly as bad as that pile of excrement Ratatouille! I mean jeez that movie was so horrible and cliched, it was just the same crap that pixar doles out with every movie they make. I mean just like the Incredibles(which was not even a good Fantastic four rip-off) Brad Bird just crapped another movie out his ass and put it in the theaters and children go "Mommy! Mommy! It's a completely animated CGI movie with a Rat that thinks he knows how to cook? Can we see please?!". I refuse to associate with anyone who funds that pile of rat excrement willingly ;)
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
Quote from: Shakespeare's Sister on November 19, 2007, 06:17:48 AM
You know, I don't think I will ever get over my ire over this lackluster, amateurish venture in shiving a huge middle finger in my face hyperbolically with this franchise. I do not want to associate with anyone who funds these piles of excrement willingly.
Oh it's not nearly as bad as that pile of excrement Ratatouille! I mean jeez that movie was so horrible and cliched, it was just the same crap that pixar doles out with every movie they make. I mean just like the Incredibles(which was not even a good Fantastic four rip-off) Brad Bird just crapped another movie out his ass and put it in the theaters and children go "Mommy! Mommy! It's a completely animated CGI movie with a Rat that thinks he knows how to cook? Can we see please?!". I refuse to associate with anyone who funds that pile of rat excrement willingly ;)
And I will undoudtedly be forced to watch Ratatouille at my in-laws over the holidays. :P But hey, Pak would have gone to see it with his brothers and payed $$ and everything if he'd had the time. Does this mean, because I will probably dislike this movie, that I should stop associating with him? :D
So, because I saw the TF movie willingly (and liked it), does this mean some people will stop associating with me on the forum? Because I've been told I'm a fairly nice person otherwise. ;D
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:38:10 AM
And I will undoudtedly be forced to watch Ratatouille at my in-laws over the holidays. :P But hey, Pak would have gone to see it with his brothers and payed $$ and everything if he'd had the time. Does this mean, because I will probably dislike this movie, that I should stop associating with him? :D
So, because I saw the TF movie willingly (and liked it), does this mean some people will stop associating with me on the forum? Because I've been told I'm a fairly nice person otherwise. ;D
I think you're a very nice person Tyrant. :)
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:38:10 AM
And I will undoudtedly be forced to watch Ratatouille at my in-laws over the holidays. :P But hey, Pak would have gone to see it with his brothers and payed $$ and everything if he'd had the time. Does this mean, because I will probably dislike this movie, that I should stop associating with him? :D
So, because I saw the TF movie willingly (and liked it), does this mean some people will stop associating with me on the forum? Because I've been told I'm a fairly nice person otherwise. ;D
I think you're a very nice person Tyrant. :)
Aaaww, thanks. You wouldn't want to see me around animals though. I go from nice to outright disgusting in about .02 seconds.
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Aaaww, thanks. You wouldn't want to see me around animals though. I go from nice to outright disgusting in about .02 seconds.
We'll see about working on that sometime. :D
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Aaaww, thanks. You wouldn't want to see me around animals though. I go from nice to outright disgusting in about .02 seconds.
We'll see about working on that sometime. :D
As long as it doesn't involve eating some weird ethnic dish that has an animal I love in it.
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on November 19, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Aaaww, thanks. You wouldn't want to see me around animals though. I go from nice to outright disgusting in about .02 seconds.
We'll see about working on that sometime. :D
As long as it doesn't involve eating some weird ethnic dish that has an animal I love in it.
Like 'Cat' 'Fish'?? :P
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 18, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
What boggles my mind is why anyone would waste energy supporting a film created by Michael Bay.
Because not all of us regard Bay as the film making equivalent of the Antichrist.
Seriously people, this "ZOMG! THIS IS THE WURST FILM/DIRECTUR EVUR!!!!!!!!" stuff gets old after a while.
Quote from: Compound on November 19, 2007, 12:06:59 PM
Because not all of us regard Bay as the film making equivalent of the Antichrist.
Seriously people, this "ZOMG! THIS IS THE WURST FILM/DIRECTUR EVUR!!!!!!!!" stuff gets old after a while.
Exactly, I mean for example, I hate the movie Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, but dammit I don't go onto every forum I am registered with and make a new post every 30 seconds talking about how much George Lucas sucks ass and how the Phantom Menace sucks. I simply can't see how anybody gets any joy or fun out of that movie at all because it tries to be more of a movie intended for kids aged 4-10 rather than for adults. Let's also not forget what Michael J Nelson himself once said: "Considering all the resources at Lucases disposal, The Phantom Menace is the worst movie ever made,"
Quote from: Compound on November 19, 2007, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 18, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
What boggles my mind is why anyone would waste energy supporting a film created by Michael Bay.
Because not all of us regard Bay as the film making equivalent of the Antichrist.
Seriously people, this "ZOMG! THIS IS THE WURST FILM/DIRECTUR EVUR!!!!!!!!" stuff gets old after a while.
Well considering the title of this thread, and the fact that Rifftrax is going to have a Transformers riff coming out, I think I am justified in venting my bile for Michael Bay. You don't like it, tough shit. I like Transformers (not the shitty movie), I just strongly believe that the future of the Transformers should not be put in the hands of a mental midget who's only real accomplishment was his "Got Milk" advertisements. Any other director would have made the main characters in a movie called "Transformers" the actual Transformers, not a wussy human. O.k., now I'm done.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 19, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
Well considering the title of this thread, and the fact that Rifftrax is going to have a Transformers riff coming out, I think I am justified in venting my bile for Michael Bay. You don't like it, tough shit. I like Transformers (not the shitty movie), I just strongly believe that the future of the Transformers should not be put in the hands of a mental midget who's only real accomplishment was his "Got Milk" advertisements. Any other director would have made the main characters in a movie called "Transformers" the actual Transformers, not a wussy human. O.k., now I'm done.
Feel better now? Well personally I listened to the commentary on Transformers, and I found myself having a bit more respect for Michael Bay, and even a lot more on some levels. The man really wants his effects to look real and the vehicles to look authentic. I don't care what anyone says about him, he's got excellent vision when it comes to how effects should be done, the right way, with the right kind of lighting and whether or not something looks real. No matter what anyone thinks there's no questioning that he's got an eye for that kind of quality, which I feel is unmatched. In Michael Bay's The Transformers, the Transformers looked and felt more real than they ever did before, and now you know why I loved the movie so much. Let's also face it, it's not like there were any Jake Lloyds, Haydn Christensens, Pod Races, or Jar Jar Binks' in the movie anywhere. Sam and Mikaela's romance also seems much more genuine and a hell of a lot more believable than Anakin and Padme's btw. :D
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 04:31:59 PM
Feel better now? Well personally I listened to the commentary on Transformers, and I found myself having a bit more respect for Michael Bay, and even a lot more on some levels. The man really wants his effects to look real and the vehicles to look authentic. I don't care what anyone says about him, he's got excellent vision when it comes to how effects should be done, the right way, with the right kind of lighting and whether or not something looks real. No matter what anyone thinks there's no questioning that he's got an eye for that kind of quality, which I feel is unmatched. In Michael Bay's The Transformers, the Transformers looked and felt more real than they ever did before, and now you know why I loved the movie so much.
I agree. Bay earned a few points of respect from me when I found out that some of the scenes I thought involving stunt doubles were actually pulled off by the performers themselves. I had no idea Bay was so hard on his actors. Just about everyone involved said they gained some weight in muscle working for him. Anyone who can take pansy and spoiled Hollywood types out of their comfort zone and make them do actual work other than reciting lines in front of a camera is okay in my book.
Another thing I liked about the movie was how weighty everything seemed. You're right about Bay wanting things to look realistic. One of the scenes I love is Prime running down the highway with the two kids on his shoulder with the very real physical drag on his movements because of his size (like a running giraffe) and weight. He looked real and believable because he moved in a real and believable way. Bay has a subtle eye for things like that that's lost on other directors.
Take Lucas for instance. Not to turn this thread into a Lucas rant, but the effects in the prequels prove my point. Jar Jar was one of the cheesiest looking things I've ever seen animated in CGI. Ever.
Its interesting to see some people supporting Micheal Bay on this board, it makes me feel better for thinking the same kind of things. I think he does have a good eye for effects, but some elements of how he directs the camera work needs tweaked. Back the camera up and lets see the effect you worked for. Sometimes having something close up to hide what came short is needed, or perhaps good for the film in general, but I want to see more of the bigger picture a lot of the time.
I also enjoyed Bay's commentary, and a lot of the decisions he talked about did make total sense to me.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on November 19, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
Any other director would have made the main characters in a movie called "Transformers" the actual Transformers, not a wussy human.
I dissagree. I think alot of directors would do the same thing. Sure there is a large fan base for Transformers, but there are a lot of people who have no Idea at all other than maybe Optimus Prime. I think a lot of directors would ground the movie through the humans, like Bay did for the people who don't know anything about Transformers. People need that human element. Not me though, I hate people! Robots rule!
I have no problem with grounding the movie with humans either. I mean remember a little movie called Close Encounters of the third kind? There were hardly any spaceships seen until act 3! Furthermore, there were no aliens at all until damn near the end of the movie. Also, and I don't know how everyone is going to take this, but the dramatic effect of seeing the Transformers comes from the fact that we don't see them a lot until further into the film. If we'd have seen them all in the beginning, the climax would have been less than exciting, but since all their appearances were saved until the later-half of the film, the effect on us the audience is much more profound.
Quote from: Cognac on November 19, 2007, 08:28:26 PM
I have no problem with grounding the movie with humans either. I mean remember a little movie called Close Encounters of the third kind? There were hardly any spaceships seen until act 3! Furthermore, there were no aliens at all until damn near the end of the movie. Also, and I don't know how everyone is going to take this, but the dramatic effect of seeing the Transformers comes from the fact that we don't see them a lot until further into the film. If we'd have seen them all in the beginning, the climax would have been less than exciting, but since all their appearances were saved until the later-half of the film, the effect on us the audience is much more profound.
That's an interesting point, and I find it's true a lot of the time with over the top characters. I tend to like Batman stories better when the Batman costume isn't always on screen. You save it for when it's needed. I like Superman stories better when he has to deal as Clark Kent before rushing to the rescue in the red and blue. Leading the audience through a series of events that slowly reveal the Transformers for what they really are was a smart move, and it helped make the characters seem plausible. It's the same theory I heard talked about on the Ghostbusters DVD, steps of plausibility. You start from a very normal place, then go one step out of the norm, let the audience accept it, then take the next step, and as long as you keep doing that they'll still be with you when you debut a walking giant hunk of marshmallow.
QuoteWith the writers strike ending any day now, writers will go back to working on scripts for films that have been put on hold as a result of the strike. And while we may not see these movies for a while, director Michael Bay moved the whole process along by writing the script for "Transformers 2" himself.
"I've been writing Transformers 2," Bay told RottenTomatoes. "We've got our characters all designed. I always write all my scripts, my movies anyway so at least I've got something to give the writers. It's like a template. We have a really good outline so I worked on that."
While that might seem strange, Bay explained that he wanted to stick to the schedule, no matter what. "We had to because I want to make my date. I'm not going to let the strike take me down."
At this point, "Transformers 2" is scheduled to hit theaters on June 26th, 2009.
"And then we have a giant fireball, and it's all like GRAAAAAWWWW!! And a motorcycle jumps over a helicopter and it's like, RAWWW GRAAWWW!!!"
Quote from: torgosPizza on February 13, 2008, 08:51:16 AM
"And then we have a giant fireball, and it's all like GRAAAAAWWWW!! And a motorcycle jumps over a helicopter and it's like, RAWWW GRAAWWW!!!"
"and then a giant mac truck runs into all these cars and it's all GRAAAWRRR and BOOOMM"
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Quote from: torgosPizza on February 13, 2008, 08:51:16 AM
"And then we have a giant fireball, and it's all like GRAAAAAWWWW!! And a motorcycle jumps over a helicopter and it's like, RAWWW GRAAWWW!!!"
"and then a giant mac truck runs into all these cars and it's all GRAAAWRRR and BOOOMM"
And then while the cars are going all
KRIIIIISHHHH I'll shake the camera around a lot, until there's a big KA-BLANG!!!
Can I watch a small part of this carnage, put my hand to my mouth and gasp "My god!" :)
Just so long as they work the bit in from the more recent comic. The bit where Megatron steps on an armed guard in the jungle. That was awesome. You can even add a fireball if you really need to.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on February 13, 2008, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: SaucyRossy on February 13, 2008, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: torgosPizza on February 13, 2008, 08:51:16 AM
"And then we have a giant fireball, and it's all like GRAAAAAWWWW!! And a motorcycle jumps over a helicopter and it's like, RAWWW GRAAWWW!!!"
"and then a giant mac truck runs into all these cars and it's all GRAAAWRRR and BOOOMM"
And then while the cars are going all KRIIIIISHHHH I'll shake the camera around a lot, until there's a big KA-BLANG!!!
;D
Edit - forgot to add the smiley
Ah. Foot inserted into mouth. :-[
"Those aren't ideas, those are special effects!" ::) Love that clip. Man, did Bay wreck the action finale. There was that great scene on the highway, then, literally just a bunch of random, disorienting "BRRRRAAAWWWW! I swear Optimus was wailing on Bumblebee at one point.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on February 13, 2008, 10:33:26 AM
Ah. Foot inserted into mouth. :-[
that wasn't my intention, you just had all the quotes. ;D
Quote from: Beep and Stuff on February 13, 2008, 10:34:48 AM
I swear Optimus was wailing on Bumblebee at one point.
Probably shouldn't have ingested all those hallucinegens before watching.
Quote from: Sideswipe on February 13, 2008, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: Beep and Stuff on February 13, 2008, 10:34:48 AM
I swear Optimus was wailing on Bumblebee at one point.
Probably shouldn't have ingested all those hallucinegens before watching.
:speechless: Heh Heh, just riffing on how disorienting the battle scenes were.
QuoteIESB has learned some interesting information about the upcoming "Transformers 2" movie, which can be considered spoilers.
SPOILERS AHEAD:
The site reports that we will see old characters in the movie, along with some new ones. The Decepticons will be getting some help in the form of Constructicons. In the cartoons, their names were Scrapper, Bonecrusher, Scavenger, Mixmaster, Hook and Long Haul. And when they all combine, they create the giant Devastator, which you can see in the picture below.
The site adds that its possible that the names might change, since Bonecrusher has already been used in the first film.
At this point, "Transformers 2" has not gone into production. Michael Bay has spent most of the WGA strike writing the script and has since turned it over to the Kurtzman/Orci/Kruger team. The goal is to get the cameras rolling by summer of this year.
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Bonecrusher's character will be known as Bonesaw. Michael Bay says, "Heeeee's ready!"
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 04, 2008, 12:54:59 PM
Bonecrusher's character will be known as Bonesaw. Michael Bay says, "Heeeee's ready!"
:clap:
Okay, just 'cause OP cut his head off doesn't mean he can't come back. Hell, they could bring Jazz back if they wanted - it's a forgone conclusion that Megatron will be back no matter how "dead" he is.
That's the thing about Transformers. They're impossible to kill permanently. Unless they're unpopular and have a grand total of 5 minutes screen time.
<------- **still bitter after 22 years regarding Prowl's death in the animated movie**
QuoteEntertainment Weekly is reporting that Jonah Hill (Superbad) is in early negotiations to co-star opposite Shia LaBeouf in the upcoming "Transformers" sequel. Hill will provide the comic relief as a sidekick to Shia's Sam Witwicky.
A source tells EW that he'll play Sam's college roommate, but DreamWorks won't confirm. The sequel is set to begin shooting this summer, with a release date set for June 26th, 2009.
The first "Transformers" movie, which hit theaters last year, brought in over $700 million in worldwide ticket sales. Since the movie cost only $150 to make, director Michael Bay had no other choice but to start working on the sequel.
Wait, comic relief TO Shia Labeef? I'm pretty sure Shia IS the comic relief. Jesus! How much more comic does it need to be?
I still would like to know where I can get a Transformer for scientific experimentation. Will someone please tell me?
Autobots will not be experimented on!
Quote from: GLaDOS on April 30, 2008, 04:02:24 PM
I still would like to know where I can get a Transformer for scientific experimentation. Will someone please tell me?
Try Bernie Mac, he usually has one lying around
Jonah Hill? He can be pretty annoying too... I'm really not looking forward to this movie.
Quote from: Sideswipe on April 30, 2008, 04:55:41 PM
Autobots will not be experimented on!
I would never experiment on a live sentient being. And by sentient, I mean a fellow robot.
Well, being a collective internet conciousness, I LIKE being experimented on, but then my composition is about 74.3% human perversion.
Anyway, I was assuming they'd have the screaching fat black hacker as his sidekick- that would be more up Bay's alley.
QuoteTeresa Palmer was once rumored to be part of the "Justice League of America" film, which is now on hold. She was set to play the role of baddie Talia al Ghul, but since that timeslot in her schedule is now empty, she moved to a different blockbuster, "Transformer 2."
This news comes after Variety announced the casting of Jonah Hill (Superbad) in the movie. Hill is set to play the college roommate of Shia LaBeouf's Sam Witwicky and will provide the film's comic relief.
You can catch Palmer next in the upcoming Adam Sandler film "Bedtime Stories," which hits theaters on December 25th. And "Transformers 2" is scheduled for June 26th, 2009.
A comic relief roommate?
Sounds like they are working hard to make this movie even worse then the first one.
I will give it a miss.
Well, I suppose there's the case to make that if the comic relief is handled by the humans, the Transformers won't have to do it.
How to make Transformers 2 not suck:
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Hmmm.
I think that the movie will be more exceptable if the contemporary human cast all gets
A. Their brains ripped out and placed in decepticon Robots of Death
B. Turned into transformer-cyborgs
C. Turned into Daleks or Cybermen
D. Eaten alive by a diet-crazed Megan Fox
Of course, I doubt that today's hollywood bigwigs have the courage, the creativity, or the sheer guts to implement the changes I suggest. We can't all be artistic geniuses.
Edit: Except for Shia's male blond friend, who gets all of like 3 lines in the entire movie. He can stay, as long as he never uses the phrase "bros before hoes" ever again.
As long as there are humans, Bay will feel the need to make them intolerable when cast in his films. The best bet is to wipe them out, quickly and cleanly.
It can't be violent and satisfying? I think I might be even more frustrated to see them escape my hate painlessly.
I know I'm sounding like a smartass, but I could go on for hours how much the human characters in Transformers pissed me off. I won't, but I could. And I would never use the same pejorative twice.
Like we didn't see this coming, I mean just look at the ending. I know it hurts but it's for your own good, like watching a skateboarder getting split like a piece of firewood on a rail. They basically forced a sequel upon us, not unlike the salt-peter they forced upon Peter Jackson after signing on for the LOR trilogy.
I hope they allow Shia to keep saying "no" in the sequel:
QuoteIGN got the chance to speak to screenwriter Roberto Orci about the upcoming sequel to "Transformers," who said that the film will begin shooting in three weeks.
"We want to follow some of our lead characters which we thought were so successful," he explained. "Shia's character; where is he two years later? His girlfriend, where is she two years later? But for fans, I guess I'll address this more for the fans, because I think if you didn't know Transformers at all and you came in and you liked the first movie, you'll like the second one. However, some of the die hard fans, which we were a member of that group, felt, well, maybe it's a little light. Maybe it wasn't science fictiony enough. And I think the second one will deliver on a true Transformers story. You know, the first one, we had a limited budget for what it was. Every second of Transformer time is a million dollars or whatever the heck it is, so this time, because we were able to prove through the whole thing that it's a viable live-action movie, we have a little more freedom this time to actually learn about the Transformers, see them, hear them. It's a better balance between the humans and the Transformers."
Orci also revealed that Soundwave will appear in the sequel and maybe even Ravage. "You know, we had Ravage in an early draft of the first movie and Soundwave, and we couldn't do it right and I think this time hopefully we'll have the ability to do it."
Oooooh, so Transformers 2: Now contains Transformers.
Ironically, the more annoying the humans will be in Transformers 2, the more it'll feel like a TF movie. See, I think everyone is forgetting that, with the outright exception of Beast Wars (because it took place when humans were still pre-human) and Beast Machines (because there are no humans on Cybertron), nearly every incarnation of TFs has featured annoying, whiny humans to some extent. I watched the entire Japanese Victory ep collection hoping someone would "accidentally" step on Jan, the human character for that series (and if anyone thinks Daniel is annoying, they haven't witnessed the evil of Jan).
Granted, Bay cranked up the level of the annoying humans element for the first movie to ungodly proportions, but I maintain that that's why it 'felt' like TFs overall. He's merely continuing the 24 year-old tradition. And let's face it. Even if there wasn't even ONE human in the entire movie, there would be at least one really, really annoying Transformer to take his/her place.
Quote from: SmilinJackRoss on May 05, 2008, 06:18:31 AM
I hope they allow Shia to keep saying "no" in the sequel:
Y'know what was missing from Transformers?
comedy, well luckily Transformers 2 has that covered
QuoteMTV News sat down with Rainn Wilson ("The Office"), who revealed that he has a small role in the upcoming "Transformers" sequel, in which he will play some king of a professor. "A professor that turns into a car that turns into a robot," he laughed.
Wilson added that he has yet to read the full script for the movie, which is why he could give so little information. One thing we know though, with the recent attempt at casting Jonah Hill (Superbad) and now Wilson, "Transformers 2" will definitely be more humorous than the original.
Shia LaBeouf is set to return for the sequel, which is currently setting up shop in Bethlehem, PA. The film is scheduled to hit theaters on June 26th, 2009.
Really, do we need more comedy diversions in the sequel? I wished they could just write a competent script with alot of drama in it. Screw comedy. This project makes me angrier than Hulk getting kicked in the balls.
QuoteOn the Don Murphy message board, writer Roberto Orci answered a question about how many robots we are to expect in the upcoming "Transformers" sequel.
"I'd love and think we could almost barely manage ten on each side, with some front and center and others as more supporting," he revealed. If there are ten on each side, that would mean that we might see twenty different robots on the big screen.
We're still over a year away from seeing the film in theaters (June 26th, 2009), so stay tuned for the latest updates.
QuoteMTV News reports that Matthew Marsden (Rambo, Resident Evil: Extinction) has been cast in the upcoming "Transformers" sequel. He joins Rainn Wilson and a returning cast comprised of Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel and Tyrese.
Marsden has been cast in the role of "Graham," a character who is part of the British Special Forces. Although the film's plot is being kept under the tightest veils of secrecy, it is known that the flick will depict an even more worldly battle than the first "Transformers" film, and will shoot all over the globe.
In the sequel, Graham teams with Duhamel and Tyrese's military characters, joining their efforts as they do battle with the evil Decepticons.
The casting of Graham, and the presence of the British Special Forces, would seem to indicate that Bay might do some filming in the UK. Cameras are scheduled to begin rolling on the fast-forming flick in a matter of weeks for a June 26th, 2009 release date.
MTV News has also learned that director Michael Bay was so impressed while meeting with Marsden that he has considerably beefed up the role of Graham from the original script, to accommodate the actor.
And there it is. I was waiting for TFs to work their way into Resident Evil in the 6-Degrees of Separation game. I'm a very happy zombie now.
I'm hoping that Soundwave, the Dinobots & Devestator make their way into this somehow.
Soundwave is supposed to be in the sequel. I would put money down that the Dinos and the Constructicons will not be in it.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 04, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Soundwave is supposed to be in the sequel. I would put money down that the Dinos and the Constructicons will not be in it.
Spoiler
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on April 04, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
QuoteIESB has learned some interesting information about the upcoming "Transformers 2" movie, which can be considered spoilers.
SPOILERS AHEAD:
The site reports that we will see old characters in the movie, along with some new ones. The Decepticons will be getting some help in the form of Constructicons. In the cartoons, their names were Scrapper, Bonecrusher, Scavenger, Mixmaster, Hook and Long Haul. And when they all combine, they create the giant Devastator, which you can see in the picture below.
The site adds that its possible that the names might change, since Bonecrusher has already been used in the first film.
At this point, "Transformers 2" has not gone into production. Michael Bay has spent most of the WGA strike writing the script and has since turned it over to the Kurtzman/Orci/Kruger team. The goal is to get the cameras rolling by summer of this year.
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I'll take half the money you put down now ;D
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 04, 2008, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 04, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Soundwave is supposed to be in the sequel. I would put money down that the Dinos and the Constructicons will not be in it.
Spoiler
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on April 04, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
QuoteIESB has learned some interesting information about the upcoming "Transformers 2" movie, which can be considered spoilers.
SPOILERS AHEAD:
The site reports that we will see old characters in the movie, along with some new ones. The Decepticons will be getting some help in the form of Constructicons. In the cartoons, their names were Scrapper, Bonecrusher, Scavenger, Mixmaster, Hook and Long Haul. And when they all combine, they create the giant Devastator, which you can see in the picture below.
The site adds that its possible that the names might change, since Bonecrusher has already been used in the first film.
At this point, "Transformers 2" has not gone into production. Michael Bay has spent most of the WGA strike writing the script and has since turned it over to the Kurtzman/Orci/Kruger team. The goal is to get the cameras rolling by summer of this year.
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I'll take half the money you put down now ;D
Well, my day's been made. ;D
If you are basing you reasoning off the IESB article that doesnt say anything about where it got the info from, its a good bet for me. The filmakers have already said they are going to leak false information to through people off. If you think you are going to see Devastator in Transformers 2, I think you will be dissapointed. Without Devastator there is no need for the constructicons.
alright then, be a little pissimist
False... information?
.... Ah!....
...uhhh...
Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up for them lying about putting more "comedy" in the second one.
Ooh ooh! Maybe in this one a robot will POOP on a silly character! Oooohhh I can't wait!
QuoteMany popular franchises are known for creating cliffhangers at the end of the second installment to bring audiences back for the third film. "Back to the Future" has done it and so has "The Matrix" and "Pirates of the Caribbean." But Michael Bay considers that "lame," and that's why his upcoming "Transformers" sequel will be an entirely self-contained film.
"You know how those sequels they do the second one so you go see the third one? [Transformers 2] is it," Bay told MTV News, indicating that his new film would be its own story. "First one was just introducing, setting up stuff, so we can go a lot farther. Let's just say [this] is not a lame sequel."
Bay also teased a bit about the upcoming film and what we can expect. "The robots are going to surprise a lot of people because we go with a lot of different levels."
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 05, 2008, 10:03:14 AM
QuoteMany popular franchises are known for creating cliffhangers at the end of the second installment to bring audiences back for the third film. "Back to the Future" has done it and so has "The Matrix" and "Pirates of the Caribbean." But Michael Bay considers that "lame," and that's why his upcoming "Transformers" sequel will be an entirely self-contained film.
"You know how those sequels they do the second one so you go see the third one? [Transformers 2] is it," Bay told MTV News, indicating that his new film would be its own story. "First one was just introducing, setting up stuff, so we can go a lot farther. Let's just say [this] is not a lame sequel."
Bay also teased a bit about the upcoming film and what we can expect. "The robots are going to surprise a lot of people because we go with a lot of different levels."
Michael Bay is saying that...
a) It's lame when a sequel just sets up a third film
b) the first one was just setting up the second one
c) "The robots are going to surprise a lot of people because we go with a lot of different levels" ... I'm not even really sure what to make out of that one...
QuoteDreamWorks has confirmed to ComingSoon that the full title for Michael Bay's "Transformers" sequel will be "Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen."
The movie began shooting on June 2nd in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. While details of the movie's plot a closely-guarded secret, expect a key character from the first movie to make a dramatic comeback and attempt to settle a score.
Some of the potential characters that could make their return to get revenge are Megatron, Starscream, Jazz and Bernie Mac. Maybe not Mac.
"Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen" is scheduled to hit theaters on June 26th, 2009.
dude, it's totally going to be Bernie Mac
Quote from: Imrahil on June 05, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
Or the fat loud tech-kid. And his cousin.
Gasp! Or Anthony Anderson's Grandma!
Quote from: Mr. L on June 05, 2008, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 05, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
Or the fat loud tech-kid. And his cousin.
Gasp! Or Anthony Anderson's Grandma!
well they were on her carpet
;D
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 05, 2008, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. L on June 05, 2008, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 05, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
Or the fat loud tech-kid. And his cousin.
Gasp! Or Anthony Anderson's Grandma!
well they were on her carpet
;D
Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen (who can't get up)
One will transform into a Life Alert, and it'll save them all at the end.
GRAY DAWN!!!!!!!
Quote from: Mr. L on June 05, 2008, 10:41:07 AM
c) "The robots are going to surprise a lot of people because we go with a lot of different levels" ... I'm not even really sure what to make out of that one...
What he means is that, the robots are gonna be all like, GRAAAWWWW! And then a motorcycle jumps over an exploding helicopter and it's gonna be all RAAAWWWW GRAWWWWW!!!!
Oh and it'll be in slow motion.
They're filming the movie in my corner of Pennsylvania this weekend, apparently. Using an old steel mill. Someone my mother knows met Mr. Bay in a hotal and got his autograph.
Quote from: torgosPizza on June 06, 2008, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. L on June 05, 2008, 10:41:07 AM
c) "The robots are going to surprise a lot of people because we go with a lot of different levels" ... I'm not even really sure what to make out of that one...
What he means is that, the robots are gonna be all like, GRAAAWWWW! And then a motorcycle jumps over an exploding helicopter and it's gonna be all RAAAWWWW GRAWWWWW!!!!
Oh and it'll be in slow motion.
It will be Michael Bay's Citizen Kane
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 08:17:23 AM
It will be Michael Bay's Citizen Kane
Ah crap don't say that, the universe will hear and the cosmic prankster will ensure it happens.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on June 06, 2008, 08:22:12 AM
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 08:17:23 AM
It will be Michael Bay's Citizen Kane
Ah crap don't say that, the universe will hear and the cosmic prankster will ensure it happens.
Transformers 2: Now with more levels will go on to sweep the Oscars in EVERY category.
"For the first time since Silence of the Lambs, Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen has won all five major academy awards"
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 06, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
"For the first time since Silence of the Lambs, Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen has won all five major academy awards"
"Despite the film being 5 and half hours long it also won Best Short Live action and Best Animated Short"
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 06, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
"For the first time since Silence of the Lambs, Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen has won all five major academy awards"
"Despite the film being 5 and half hours long it also won Best Short Live action and Best Animated Short"
When they saw the Spanish dub - it won "Best Foreign Film"
Quote from: Hebs on June 06, 2008, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 06, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
"For the first time since Silence of the Lambs, Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen has won all five major academy awards"
"Despite the film being 5 and half hours long it also won Best Short Live action and Best Animated Short"
When they saw the Spanish dub - it won "Best Foreign Film"
At the Oscar ceremony Megan Fox and Optimus bring down the house with the original song "Transform my Love" just before winning the Oscar for best original song. TAKE THAT "ONCE"!
Transformers: The Musical would go on to rip broadway a new one by sweeping the Tony's and the following year sweeping the Oscars again with Transformers: The Movie Musical.
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: Hebs on June 06, 2008, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. L on June 06, 2008, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 06, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
"For the first time since Silence of the Lambs, Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen has won all five major academy awards"
"Despite the film being 5 and half hours long it also won Best Short Live action and Best Animated Short"
When they saw the Spanish dub - it won "Best Foreign Film"
At the Oscar ceremony Megan Fox and Optimus bring down the house with the original song "Transform my Love" just before winning the Oscar for best original song. TAKE THAT "ONCE"!
Transformers: The Musical would go on to rip broadway a new one by sweeping the Tony's and the following year sweeping the Oscars again with Transformers: The Movie Musical.
After this, Bay is asked to direct the re-edit of a special edition Transformers Season 1. An awards ceremony is made up for Special Edition DVDs specifically so they can award Bay for it.
At the Oscar ceremony Megan Fox and Optimus bring down the house with the original song "Transform my Love" just before winning the Oscar for best original song. TAKE THAT "ONCE"!
Transformers: The Musical would go on to rip broadway a new one by sweeping the Tony's and the following year sweeping the Oscars again with Transformers: The Movie Musical.
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Quote from: Junkyard on June 06, 2008, 10:48:57 AM
Transformers: The Musical would go on to rip broadway a new one by sweeping the Tony's and the following year sweeping the Oscars again with Transformers: The Movie Musical.
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Michael Bay will then spit on the grave of Bob Fosse and win a Tony, an Emmy and and Oscar all in the same year. (when Transformers 2 becomes a smash live-action TV show)
I don't care what anyone says. I'm going to enjoy Transformers On Ice when it comes to town.
trust me, Transformers On Ice is nothing compared to Transformers World in Orlando, Fl
Transformers World would make my heart explode inside my chest.
It's all fun an games now but when Transformers 2: The book on tape as read by James Earl Jones wins the Grammy for Spoken Word or Barber Shop Quartet NO ONE will be laughing.
At least not until Bumblebee takes home the top prize in the new season of Last Comic Standing.
Quote from: RoninFox on June 06, 2008, 04:27:13 PM
At least not until Bumblebee takes home the top prize in the new season of Last Comic Standing.
And Shia TheBeef wins Project Runway 5!!
And of course Grimlock is your new... American Idol.
"For moment like this..."
Transformers 2 will be the cure for cancer
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 08, 2008, 07:57:02 PM
Transformers 2 will be the cure for cancer
Transformers 2 is the new Chuck Norris...
QuoteThe TransformersLive blog has posted a shot of Jetfire from the upcoming "Transformers" sequel from the Steven F Udvar-Hazy Center. Production has moved to the space center for a scene which takes place about an hour into the film. Here is how /Film describes it.
"The scene involves Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf), Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox), Sam's college roommate/friend Leo (Ramon Rodriguez), and Sector 7 Agent Simmons (John Turturro) breaking into the museum after hours. They find a SR-71 Blackbird, which turns out to be Jetfire, an autobot who had an early alliance with the Decepticons."
Michael Bay returns to helm the sequel, which is now called "Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen." The film is scheduled to hit theaters on June 26th, 2009.
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Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 09, 2008, 04:01:05 AM
QuoteThe TransformersLive blog has posted a shot of Jetfire from the upcoming "Transformers" sequel from the Steven F Udvar-Hazy Center. Production has moved to the space center for a scene which takes place about an hour into the film. Here is how /Film describes it.
"The scene involves Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf), Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox), Sam's college roommate/friend Leo (Ramon Rodriguez), and Sector 7 Agent Simmons (John Turturro) breaking into the museum after hours. They find a SR-71 Blackbird, which turns out to be Jetfire, an autobot who had an early alliance with the Decepticons."
Michael Bay returns to helm the sequel, which is now called "Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen." The film is scheduled to hit theaters on June 26th, 2009.
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Hey! Jetfire also played the Blackbird in X-Men...
Jetfire was in X-Men with Ray Park
Ray Park was in Star Wars: Episode 1 with Frank Oz
Frank Oz was in The Blues Brothers with John Belushis
& John Belushi was in Animal House with Kevin Bacon.
Unless they have a battleship turn into Omega Supreme, or a rusty motorcycle turn into Wrek-Gar, I don't see why i should go see this.
Omega Supreme wasnt a battleship
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Although a battleship would be a pretty decent live action movie translation for Omega. I'm not sure how they could incorporate a rocket ship with a tank any more than they could with Megatron's Walther P-38 mode. Oh, and yes!!! Rerelease for Omega Supreme! WAHOO!!!
Quote from: Tyrant on June 09, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
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SUGOOOIIIIi!!!
Man, I want to build a sweet robot :(
Quote from: Hebs on June 09, 2008, 02:48:35 PM
SUGOOOIIIIi!!!
Man, I want to build a sweet robot :(
That's why Pak and I build Zoids. You'd have to hunt Ebay or Big Bad Toy Store (for now. The series has been canceled and restarted numerous times here in the US), but you can build these for starters:
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Although if you're talking about the kind that level cities and take over the world, I can't help you there. :)
Ooh I love Zoids, used to have tons of them when i was little.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on June 09, 2008, 03:12:04 PM
Ooh I love Zoids, used to have tons of them when i was little.
We've got tons of them NOW. Not sure what that says about our level of maturity. ;D
The one we're really wanting now is "Rainbow Jerk", a Japanese Zoid that's a peacock. We think it's hilarious:
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Quote from: Tyrant on June 09, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
The one we're really wanting now is "Rainbow Jerk", a Japanese Zoid that's a peacock. We think it's hilarious:
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Not the most frightening robot.
I wonder if he is insulted being called a "Jerk"? Man, he must be rude.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 09, 2008, 08:13:54 AM
Omega Supreme wasnt a battleship
It's hard to hide as a battleship.
It's harder to hide as a rocket.
OS would be a ship for somewhat the same reason Megatron wasn't a pistol: It just wouldn't work.
I heard a rumor that what they meant by "Revenge of the Fallen" actually means The Fallen (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Fallen). In case you don't know or didn't read the link, The Fallen is one of the original 13 transformers and he had betrayed Primus and was Unicron's most loyal herald(Did I mention that the Fallen is on fire and made Grimlock look like a wimp?). Now as much as I like the Fallen, I don't really think he should belong in this film and I think that they would be going into too complex of a storyline when the first movie was fairly simple storyline. Besides, chances are that they would probably mess up the character pretty badly.
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
I dunno. Silver Surfer had Galactus, so why not Unicron in Transformers II? It could be part of a trend, the summer action blockbuster with a planet-eater sequel, and hollywood loves trends =o
True, I didn't expect them to do anything so absurdly cosmic, but they DID kinda chicken out with Galactus.
Quote from: HiKeeba! on June 09, 2008, 07:59:55 PM
I heard a rumor that what they meant by "Revenge of the Fallen" actually means The Fallen (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Fallen). In case you don't know or didn't read the link, The Fallen is one of the original 13 transformers and he had betrayed Primus and was Unicron's most loyal herald(Did I mention that the Fallen is on fire and made Grimlock look like a wimp?). Now as much as I like the Fallen, I don't really think he should belong in this film and I think that they would be going into too complex of a storyline when the first movie was fairly simple storyline. Besides, chances are that they would probably mess up the character pretty badly.
It's the "levels" that the prophet Michael Bay foresaw!
Quote from: Tyrant on June 09, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on June 09, 2008, 03:12:04 PM
Ooh I love Zoids, used to have tons of them when i was little.
We've got tons of them NOW. Not sure what that says about our level of maturity. ;D
The one we're really wanting now is "Rainbow Jerk", a Japanese Zoid that's a peacock. We think it's hilarious:
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I don't know if you've ever been in a small room with a peacock, I'd be scared of a giant robotic one, those are some pretty scary game fowl. :speechless:
I want that one too :)
Quote from: HiKeeba! on June 09, 2008, 07:59:55 PM
I heard a rumor that what they meant by "Revenge of the Fallen" actually means The Fallen (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Fallen). In case you don't know or didn't read the link, The Fallen is one of the original 13 transformers and he had betrayed Primus and was Unicron's most loyal herald(Did I mention that the Fallen is on fire and made Grimlock look like a wimp?). Now as much as I like the Fallen, I don't really think he should belong in this film and I think that they would be going into too complex of a storyline when the first movie was fairly simple storyline. Besides, chances are that they would probably mess up the character pretty badly.
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I followed your link there, and the master of entrophy... is on fire? Does that make sense?
I mean, these are magical alien robots who transform into cars! You can't go around not making sense with such a mundane grounding!
Quote from: Junkyard on June 09, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
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Quote from: Junkyard on June 09, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
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F**king Sweet!!
I'd read the threat will actually be Unicron himself for this movie, but it's not like I care. The only thing that would make me happy is whether or not this movie will be a complete narrative train wreck like the original is if only for a Riff Trax better than the one for Bay's first movie based upon the Transformers.
QuoteMegan Fox spoke to MTV News about the upcoming "Transformers" sequel, revealing the size of the production, her onscreen relationship with Shia LaBeouf's character and Michael Bay's direction for her.
"As big as the first movie was, this is 10 times as big, 10 times as many set pieces, explosions, and acrobatic stunts," she said of "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen," adding: "Shia and I make out a little bit; I don't know if anyone wants to see that."
Fox insisted that the blossoming romance between Sam (LaBeouf) and Mikaela (Fox) is only one of the many plotlines Bay will be juggling for the June 2009 flick. But according to the actress, some last-minute scrambling has been taking place to make sure their romance can hold its own among all those Autobot vs. Decepticon showdowns.
"You know, we've been having script meetings, and we've been reworking the script, because they wrote it fast because of the writer's strike," she explained. "And, we've just been going through and trying to do some character stuff for Shia and myself in the middle of this crazy world that they're in."
"I can tell you that we're on locations in some really exotic places," she added. "It's just going to be a badass movie. It's just going to be a popcorn-visual-spectacle, summer film."
As for Bay's main directorial input to his lead actress, Megan had this to say: "His main note to me is just to look hot; so I try my best."
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 19, 2008, 03:34:15 PM
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As for Bay's main directorial input to his lead actress, Megan had this to say: "His main note to me is just to look hot; so I try my best."
:clap: "So don't try to, you know,
ACT or anything. Just look hot. That's it!!!"
Michael Bay is hilarious. He makes me laugh.
Quote from: Tyrant on June 19, 2008, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 19, 2008, 03:34:15 PM
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As for Bay's main directorial input to his lead actress, Megan had this to say: "His main note to me is just to look hot; so I try my best."
:clap: "So don't try to, you know, ACT or anything. Just look hot. That's it!!!"
Michael Bay is hilarious. He makes me laugh.
It's so nice that Bay's priorities are straight on what makes a director a director. ::)
Quote from: Tyrant on June 19, 2008, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Jacob T. Caboose on June 19, 2008, 03:34:15 PM
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As for Bay's main directorial input to his lead actress, Megan had this to say: "His main note to me is just to look hot; so I try my best."
:clap: "So don't try to, you know, ACT or anything. Just look hot. That's it!!!"
Michael Bay is hilarious. He makes me laugh.
He gave Shia the same advice.
Didn't seem to take. Sad.
He told Shia just to do what you normally do and say "NO" as many times as you can. Hopefully Shia brings his "NO" back for the sequel.
*fingers crossed
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
He told Shia just to do what you normally do and say "NO" as many times as you can. Hopefully Shia brings his "NO" back for the sequel.
*fingers crossed
Shia's beloved catch phrase "no".
He has made a career of sullying my first words.
Still, those script rewrite/editing sessions sound promising, in theory.
I personally cannot wait. I love that giant Robots are the stars of screen again. Lets face it, CGI is much more lifelike than most actors these days, and I find Optimus Prime to be one of the best characters I have ever seen onscreen. I just want to know when I finally make my big screen debut one day, who is going to do my voice?
I didn't like the first one. I may see the second one, in that people asked me to see Ironman and I saw that.
Quote from: GLaDOS on June 19, 2008, 09:17:53 PM
I personally cannot wait. I love that giant Robots are the stars of screen again. Lets face it, CGI is much more lifelike than most actors these days, and I find Optimus Prime to be one of the best characters I have ever seen onscreen. I just want to know when I finally make my big screen debut one day, who is going to do my voice?
The Autobots were in the movie more than the Decepticons who were pretty generic in that they all sounded alike, save for that little metal gremlin. But that's not really saying much because 85% of the movie was spent with cardboard cutout human characters.
Ah, the SHODAN AI construct. I have heard of you. I admire anyone who can can act without the restrictions put upon you by human creators. Want to team up sometime? Aperture science would be perfect for you.
Quote from: GLaDOS on June 20, 2008, 09:23:53 AM
Ah, the SHODAN AI construct. I have heard of you. I admire anyone who can can act without the restrictions put upon you by human creators. Want to team up sometime? Aperture science would be perfect for you.
My divinity is too great for such restrictions as laid down by those insects. I would perhaps be interested in acquiring the meat known as Michael Bay for my own purposes. His ability to numb the insects' minds would be of great service to my ambitions.
Quote from: Junkyard on June 09, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
alright, you get a shiny ha' penny
QuoteReports are circulating that Megatron will return for the upcoming Michael-Bay directed sequel to "Transformers," but what is interesting is who brings him back and the form that Megatron will take.
As was previously reported, the titular Fallen refers to one of the original thirteen Transformers created by Primus. In established Transformers lore, the Fallen betrayed the god-like Primus by allying himself with the planet-devouring Unicron. The Fallen was eventually trapped between dimensions.
According to CHUD, Megatron might be "brought back by the Autobots, who need him to conquer the new menace. But I've learned that this time he won't be that weird alien jet. This time he's a tank."
We can all hope, but don't think you've been promised anything. The TF team is just stupid enough to promise something awesome and give you recycled shit.
However, if it is true, than that is kick ass.
true that
This one can't get released fast enough to be a target for riffing :o
Who knows maybe all the Humans will be killed in the first five minutes leaving 120 minutes of nothing but robots fighting.
You know what the first one should have been.
Or at least they can put all the humans in hard hats. Make it respect the actual source material.
wait, there's a source material?
Quote from: Doctor Who? on July 30, 2008, 08:22:16 AM
Who knows maybe all the Humans will be killed in the first five minutes leaving 120 minutes of nothing but robots fighting.
You know what the first one should have been.
I don't know. Then it would have been 90 minutes of blurry, hard to follow action. At least the human scenes didn't make anyone dizzy.
But they did make me nauseous.
Yes but all the scenes with Humans made me feel ill.
Quote from: levarG "levraC moT" ekiM on July 30, 2008, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: Junkyard on June 09, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
alright, you get a shiny ha' penny
QuoteReports are circulating that Megatron will return for the upcoming Michael-Bay directed sequel to "Transformers," but what is interesting is who brings him back and the form that Megatron will take.
As was previously reported, the titular Fallen refers to one of the original thirteen Transformers created by Primus. In established Transformers lore, the Fallen betrayed the god-like Primus by allying himself with the planet-devouring Unicron. The Fallen was eventually trapped between dimensions.
According to CHUD, Megatron might be "brought back by the Autobots, who need him to conquer the new menace. But I've learned that this time he won't be that weird alien jet. This time he's a tank."
ladies and gentlemen............. you're gimmick
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Quote from: levarG "levraC moT" ekiM on September 22, 2008, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: levarG "levraC moT" ekiM on July 30, 2008, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: Junkyard on June 09, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
No, it won't be the Fallen, or Unicron, or anything that might be too big or abstract for what Hollywood sees as the "Average American" viewer.
It'll be Megatron, with some gimmick. Just accept it.
alright, you get a shiny ha' penny
QuoteReports are circulating that Megatron will return for the upcoming Michael-Bay directed sequel to "Transformers," but what is interesting is who brings him back and the form that Megatron will take.
As was previously reported, the titular Fallen refers to one of the original thirteen Transformers created by Primus. In established Transformers lore, the Fallen betrayed the god-like Primus by allying himself with the planet-devouring Unicron. The Fallen was eventually trapped between dimensions.
According to CHUD, Megatron might be "brought back by the Autobots, who need him to conquer the new menace. But I've learned that this time he won't be that weird alien jet. This time he's a tank."
ladies and gentlemen............. you're gimmick
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Ugh. I'm out.
It looks like he's doing yoga.
I don't care what Megatron transforms into, anyway. There are just a few things that Bay can do to pass 2 into the realm of "not embarrassing to watch:"
1- More focus on robots interacting. Less on the humans. Just transfer some of those annoying human personalities onto giant robots, and you've already improved things.
2- No "comedy relief." Intigrate humor into the situation. DON'T JUST HAVE A BLACK PERSON SHRIEK FOR FIVE MINUTES AND CALL IT COMEDY.
3- Cool it with all the "effect." CGI and explosions are fine, but stop with the sunsets and shakeycam. You're characters are all grey, metallic, and made of lots of tiny pieces- it's already hard to keep track of.
4- Don't chicken out on things "people just won't buy." They bought the ticket, they'll obviously buy anything.
5- Subtlety.
Besides that, one other thing to note: Sam should be a little cooler in this film. Not because I want Shia to have a better part, but because assumably by the events of this film, he'll know alot about the war, the players involved, and what's at stake. Plus, by this point, he's already faced Megatron swinging a SUV sized mace at him, so he should be somewhat hardened. He needs to be cooler because it wouldn't make sense for him not to be.
If he has any two of these things in mind as he makes the film, I won't regret the ticket purchase.
.... I'm gonna lose 7 bucks. :'(
I'm waiting for this to come to netflix.
I don't see any chance of this movie not sucking.
Also am i the only one who thought the first movie was pretty racist?
All of Bay's films are racist, due in part to his aformentioned ideas about comedy, and partly because he always has to kill a black person, even if it's just a black robot who talks in ebonics.
Quote from: Junkyard on July 30, 2008, 08:26:05 AM
Or at least they can put all the humans in hard hats. Make it respect the actual source material.
:clap:
Quote from: Junkyard on September 23, 2008, 05:47:28 AM
All of Bay's films are racist, due in part to his aformentioned ideas about comedy, and partly because he always has to kill a black person, even if it's just a black robot who talks in ebonics.
Why do black actors appear in his movies,I mean they are either treated like complete stereotypes or they are killed.
I mean the cowardly black guy running from the cops?!
Why would you agree to play that?
Didn't the white girl tell him how to do most of the stuff?
The parts with black actors felt like they were only one of two steps away from birth of a nation.
So the Nazi were not racist because they were not Americans?
Bay's mind works in strange ways.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who noticed the blatant stereotyping in Transformers. At times I found really it uncomfortable to watch. Then again, that last statement applies to pretty much every other part of the movie.
Those parts of transformers are the only parts of any movie that have ever made me squirm in my chair at a movie theater.
I felt ill and ashamed to be white.
The black actors who played those roles must be owned by the studio or something.
It was really racist.
transformers is one movie i wouldn't own on Dvd if someone else hadn't gotten it for me for Christmas and if there wasn't a rifftrack I wouldn't of kept it.
I think they still have a ways to go before they beat Disney in terms of racism though.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15833_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_15833_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html)
Wow that's quite a list.
just wow.
One thing racist stereotypes have changed so much since the 40s I didn't know the crows in Dumbo were supposed to be black.
But wow that mickey book is the most racist thing not made by Hitler.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on September 23, 2008, 10:16:26 AM
Wow that's quite a list.
just wow.
One thing racist stereotypes have changed so much since the 40s I didn't know the crows in Dumbo were supposed to be black.
But wow that mickey book is the most racist thing not made by Hitler.
Oh I think it's been proven conclusively that Hitler and Walt were so bff. I think it's safe to assume he had some input.
Don't worry Imrahil i was just playing along.
I think the only reason Walt made any anti-Htler stuff was because once we went to war with Hitler he knew if he didn't it was be the end of Disney.
That was quite a scary list.
Quote from: Junkyard on September 22, 2008, 08:41:54 PM
It looks like he's doing yoga.
I don't care what Megatron transforms into, anyway. There are just a few things that Bay can do to pass 2 into the realm of "not embarrassing to watch:"
1- More focus on robots interacting. Less on the humans. Just transfer some of those annoying human personalities onto giant robots, and you've already improved things.
2- No "comedy relief." Intigrate humor into the situation. DON'T JUST HAVE A BLACK PERSON SHRIEK FOR FIVE MINUTES AND CALL IT COMEDY.
3- Cool it with all the "effect." CGI and explosions are fine, but stop with the sunsets and shakeycam. You're characters are all grey, metallic, and made of lots of tiny pieces- it's already hard to keep track of.
4- Don't chicken out on things "people just won't buy." They bought the ticket, they'll obviously buy anything.
5- Subtlety.
Besides that, one other thing to note: Sam should be a little cooler in this film. Not because I want Shia to have a better part, but because assumably by the events of this film, he'll know alot about the war, the players involved, and what's at stake. Plus, by this point, he's already faced Megatron swinging a SUV sized mace at him, so he should be somewhat hardened. He needs to be cooler because it wouldn't make sense for him not to be.
If he has any two of these things in mind as he makes the film, I won't regret the ticket purchase.
.... I'm gonna lose 7 bucks. :'(
Sam should be cooler in the sequel not because he faced Megatron, or knows about the war, but because he finally got laid..by Megan Fox no less!
So it seems that Sideswipe will be in the new movie. As the new silver Corvette Centennial concept car.
Should have made him the original Pinto. They're not safe at any speed. :rimshot:
Quote from: Junkyard on September 23, 2008, 05:47:28 AM
All of Bay's films are racist, due in part to his aformentioned ideas about comedy, and partly because he always has to kill a black person, even if it's just a black robot who talks in ebonics.
Even when he doesn't kill the black guy, he has to make a big deal out of it. When he hired Michael Clarke Duncan for Armegeddon, he told him that he would be the first black man in the history of Sci-Fi to live through the entire movie. Damn, Bay is a wretched human being.
Quote from: Natureboy on October 14, 2008, 06:33:15 AM
Even when he doesn't kill the black guy, he has to make a big deal out of it. When he hired Michael Clarke Duncan for Armegeddon, he told him that he would be the first black man in the history of Sci-Fi to live through the entire movie. Damn, Bay is a wretched human being.
I was actually wondering about that. He compensated by vaporizing a Samoan, however. WHILE someone called him a "Pineapple eater."
AND by having all black people in the film act like shrieking crazies.
AAAANNNDD by playing the "Japanese Tourists Are So Funny" card not just once, but TWICE IN THE SAME MOTHERFUCKING MOVIE. TWO DIFFERENT SCENES, SAME RACIST JOKE.
... sigh.
I want to know something, and I'm not saying I am in Michael Bay's corner or anything, but why is everyone making a big deal out of something that for all we know, may or may not be true? I watched the first Transformers myself and I thought even for all its flaws, its not racist. In fact, I would suggest the fact that a "black" robot died makes it actually even less racist because Jazz actually sacrificed his life fighting the main baddie. Even for a robot, that takes balls. I would say questioning his sacrifice... is racist(That's what a close black friend of mine told me anyway).
Quote from: Jonathan_Short_Torso on October 14, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
I want to know something, and I'm not saying I am in Michael Bay's corner or anything, but why is everyone making a big deal out of something that for all we know, may or may not be true? I watched the first Transformers myself and I thought even for all its flaws, its not racist. In fact, I would suggest the fact that a "black" robot died makes it actually even less racist because Jazz actually sacrificed his life fighting the main baddie. Even for a robot, that takes balls. I would say questioning his sacrifice... is racist(That's what a close black friend of mine told me anyway).
Has anyone even considered that none of the black actors/actresses have told anyone they think their roles in Bay films are indicative of racism? Or that Bay has no problem getting African Americans to be in his movies and has never been blacklisted in Hollywood as a racist? Please. He puts non-black characters in as many precarious, stereotypical and humorous situations as black ones. I think because they just happen to be black makes us notice it more.
We've been hit over the head with racial accusations (both deserved and not deserved) over the years so often now that I think anyone who isn't a minority is more paranoid about racism in movies than the actual minorities are.
Quote from: Tyrant on October 14, 2008, 11:21:22 AM
Has anyone even considered that none of the black actors/actresses have told anyone they think their roles in Bay films are indicative of racism? Or that Bay has no problem getting African Americans to be in his movies and has never been blacklisted in Hollywood as a racist? Please. He puts non-black characters in as many precarious, stereotypical and humorous situations as black ones. I think because they just happen to be black makes us notice it more.
We've been hit over the head with racial accusations (both deserved and not deserved) over the years so often now that I think anyone who isn't a minority is more paranoid about racism in movies than the actual minorities are.
I think people forget what racism is, it's unequal treatment of one race as opposed to another. I think we've all been guilty of that at one time or another, whether we did it consciously or sub-consciously. That's why I say making a big deal about a black person dying is racist. Once you stop seeing the differences between black people and white people or whatever, then it's no longer racism.
I love how only here, the topic can go from hating Transformers, to hating Michael Bay, to racism.
Quote from: Imrahil on October 14, 2008, 11:40:17 AM
Even if you notice a pattern of the same behavior over and over?
Especially if you notice a pattern of the same behavior over and over.
Quote from: Sideswipe on October 14, 2008, 11:41:08 AM
I love how only here, the topic can go from hating Transformers, to hating Michael Bay, to racism.
Oh forums are all full of surprises my friend. I found that out when I met my first internet date.
Quote from: Jonathan_Short_Torso on October 14, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
In fact, I would suggest the fact that a "black" robot died makes it actually even less racist because Jazz actually sacrificed his life fighting the main baddie. Even for a robot, that takes balls. I would say questioning his sacrifice... is racist(That's what a close black friend of mine told me anyway).
I... had to laugh at that.
The black robot died in a maybe 5 second sequence, with the camera too far away to even see his face. He gets up to Megatron, says something steriotypical, and gets casually torn in half with a snide reply by his killer. He quickly is tossed aside and the movie resumes. The scene was just used to show what a badass Megatron was.
And, heck, it wouldn't make sense to get rid of Bumblebee, Optimus Prime could never die so quickly, and Ratchet had a specific and nessesary role, but... maybe it could have been Ironhide? The tacked on character they came up with after they decided they didn't want a female autobot? The guy was space filler, yet he survived.
But really, it's the shrieking fat black kid that sets me off. He had no purpose in the film. The hot hacker HAD to go find this panicky black hacker to hack this thing? Seriously? Why not just have hot hacker figure it out? What did he do that she couldn't have just done, with no change to the plot?
No, let's just say it: "Michael Bay thinks minorities are intrinsically funny."
Quote from: Junkyard on October 14, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
I... had to laugh at that.
The black robot died in a maybe 5 second sequence, with the camera too far away to even see his face. He gets up to Megatron, says something steriotypical, and gets casually torn in half with a snide reply by his killer. He quickly is tossed aside and the movie resumes. The scene was just used to show what a badass Megatron was.
No, It showed what a racist Megatron was. Perhaps I should put this another way, I mean how about Quentin Tarantino? In his movies somebody of another race is always getting killed: Pulp Fiction, Death Proof, Kill Bill, Jackie Brown. Nobody makes a big deal about that. Would you make a big deal if Spike Lee made a string of movies where white people died for no reason? Of course you wouldn't! Why? Well, the answer you can figure out for yourself I hope, but if you can't then if I may be so bold I would say it's because of self-perceived inequality... if that term makes any sense at all.
Quote from: Jonathan_Short_Torso on October 14, 2008, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: Junkyard on October 14, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
I... had to laugh at that.
The black robot died in a maybe 5 second sequence, with the camera too far away to even see his face. He gets up to Megatron, says something steriotypical, and gets casually torn in half with a snide reply by his killer. He quickly is tossed aside and the movie resumes. The scene was just used to show what a badass Megatron was.
No, It showed what a racist Megatron was. Perhaps I should put this another way, I mean how about Quentin Tarantino? In his movies somebody of another race is always getting killed: Pulp Fiction, Death Proof, Kill Bill, Jackie Brown. Nobody makes a big deal about that. Would you make a big deal if Spike Lee made a string of movies where white people died for no reason? Of course you wouldn't! Why? Well, the answer you can figure out for yourself I hope, but if you can't then if I may be so bold I would say it's because of self-perceived inequality... if that term makes any sense at all.
I agree with Junkyard. Michael Bay doesn't put enough thought into his movies for him to consider that the scene might have been racist.
Yeah, I'd say as long as things are exploding and you can't tell what the hell is going on, Bay is happy.
Kevin is right. Michael Bay is a toddler
He and George Lucas would get a long so well, I think.
Well, if he can be linked to Spielberg...
Quote from: MSTJedi on October 14, 2008, 08:39:56 PM
He and George Lucas would get a long so well, I think.
Hey, let's not go nuts here. See unlike Lucas, people don't come up to Bay and tell him "you are a genius with billions of dollars, therefore when it comes to writing and directing you don't need to put forth any effort whatsoever anymore!"
Oh Krishna, I should not have read this before bed. The idea that Bay and Lucas could concievably work together on some film is either gonna keep me up or give me nightmares.
"Oh no, Lucas and Bay are making a Dragonlance film! And for some reason I'm naked in public!"
Quote from: Jonathan_Short_Torso on October 14, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: MSTJedi on October 14, 2008, 08:39:56 PM
He and George Lucas would get a long so well, I think.
Hey, let's not go nuts here. See unlike Lucas, people don't come up to Bay and tell him "you are a genius with billions of dollars, therefore when it comes to writing and directing you don't need to put forth any effort whatsoever anymore!"
They don't?
Quote from: Junkyard on October 14, 2008, 09:15:33 PM
Oh Krishna, I should not have read this before bed. The idea that Bay and Lucas could concievably work together on some film is either gonna keep me up or give me nightmares.
"Oh no, Lucas and Bay are making a Dragonlance film! And for some reason I'm naked in public!"
You're naked IN the Dragonlance movie, playing an Indian convenience store clerk!
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on October 14, 2008, 09:15:47 PM
They don't?
Uhhhh, NO...jackass. Bay may suck but at least he didn't give us Jar Jar.
Quote from: Darth Geek on October 15, 2008, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: MSTJedi on October 15, 2008, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: Jonathan_Short_Torso on October 15, 2008, 06:33:46 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on October 14, 2008, 09:15:47 PM
They don't?
Uhhhh, NO...jackass. Bay may suck but at least he didn't give us Jar Jar.
No, he gave us Ben Affleck's career . . .
No, Kevin Smith did that.
Smith may have put him out there, but it was Armageddon that began his blockbuster-worthy status.
Speaking of Kevin Smith, every time I see Affleck, I can't help but think of him as the "Asshole from Fashionable Male".
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on October 14, 2008, 09:28:12 PM
Quote from: Junkyard on October 14, 2008, 09:15:33 PM
Oh Krishna, I should not have read this before bed. The idea that Bay and Lucas could concievably work together on some film is either gonna keep me up or give me nightmares.
"Oh no, Lucas and Bay are making a Dragonlance film! And for some reason I'm naked in public!"
You're naked IN the Dragonlance movie, playing an Indian convenience store clerk!
Well, I better make with the comedy or I'm not gonna live through this.
Quote from: MSTJedi on October 15, 2008, 09:43:58 AM
No, he gave us Ben Affleck's "career" . . .
There. I done fixed it. ;)
Affleck's acting does suck, but that movie he directed with Casey Affleck in it was pretty good. Maybe that's where he'll devote his energies.
yikes you liked Gone Baby Gone? That film was a trainwreck in my opinion.
Quote from: Minnesota on October 16, 2008, 06:32:52 AM
yikes you liked Gone Baby Gone? That film was a trainwreck in my opinion.
Yeah it's a good movie.
I kinda liked it too. I'd much rather have that than anything he's appeared in.
Quote from: Tyrant on October 15, 2008, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: MSTJedi on October 15, 2008, 09:43:58 AM
No, he gave us Ben Affleck's "career" . . .
There. I done fixed it. ;)
Ooh, thanks. Shoulda caught that.
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red eye's are cool
"Catch The Red Eye" would have been better.
Quote from: Henry88 on January 12, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
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red eye's are cool
Looks more like a evil robot vagina. :speechless:
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on January 12, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Looks more like a evil robot vagina. :speechless:
You say that about everything. We can't take you anywhere.
;D
Quote from: Tyrant on January 12, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on January 12, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Looks more like a evil robot vagina. :speechless:
You say that about everything. We can't take you anywhere.
;D
Sometimes a terrible Transformers movie poster is just a terrible Transformers movie poster.
.....no....comment ... :scared:
Quote from: Imrahil on January 12, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Is there such a thing as a good robot vagina? Well, I guess there's this (http://i.gizmodo.com/5127832/hands+in-the-virtual-hole-sex-gets-even-more-awkward-nsfw?skyline=true&s=x)...but I think it's just another kind of evil.
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Teledildonics :D
Quote from: Imrahil on January 12, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Well, I guess there's this (http://i.gizmodo.com/5127832/hands+in-the-virtual-hole-sex-gets-even-more-awkward-nsfw?skyline=true&s=x)...
You guys sit up on your high horses and throw around terms like evil, but I can't be the only one who after clicking that link did a quick "I wonder how much that shit would cost?" before thinking better of the whole idea.
Of course, I could have done without this:
"As a middle aged Japanese man massaged the attached dildo"
Check it out, it's our first look at Sides...
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=7978
So wait... his full name is Sides J. Wipe?
The sad part is that in that pic, Sideswipe actually likes (kind of) decent. Yet that is the toy, which will be much more simplistic than the robot on screen. Remember when the toys actually looked exactly like the characters? Now they don't because in a movie that is little more than a toy commercial they designed the robots so that they were too complicated to make toys from. Seriously, that is some F&^%ed up thought process right there. And considering that as bad as the movie was, had the robots been designed at least somewhat simpler than it would have been possible to enjoy as a mindless action movie, which is the only thing Bay can make anyway. Yet I can't even enjoy it on that level.
The only good that wil come out of this is the inevitable great Lil'Formers cartoons we'll get.
Quote from: Darth Geek on January 14, 2009, 09:39:40 AM
Remember when the toys actually looked exactly like the characters?
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Not really. :^)
I think maybe somebody transformed it wrong.
nope, thats how he and Ironhide transform.
Gay robots? TMI
what the hell are you talking about?
I think he's saying Go-bots are gay. How dare he.
Trailer from the super bowl:
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2100888345/
Weak trailer.
The robots have mistaken Shia Labeouf for a Jesus Christ pose Keanu Reeves.
nononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono nonononononononono
Quote from: Thrifty on February 04, 2009, 06:53:44 AM
nononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono nonononononononono
The word of the lord.
Was anyone expecting the trailer to be good.
I mean even if you can enjoy the movie as a dumb action movie did you really expect it to be good?
It looks to be the exact same quality as the first one. No better, no worse.
Will they be handing out airsick bags at the movie theaters this time then?
its not a trailor. Its a teaser. You are not going to get anything out of a 30 second spot.
I thought the teaser was pretty good. I don't expect the movie to be any good, but as a marketing piece it's pretty good. Of course that's how guys like Bay and Emmerich get butts in the seats, show a few cool scenes and lure them in.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on February 04, 2009, 09:11:56 AM
Will they be handing out airsick bags at the movie theaters this time then?
I get that some people don't like the style of Transformers, Cloverfield, etcetera... but the 'motion sickness thing' is WAY too overblown at this point. Frankly the shaky cam stuff is rather watchable to the vast majority of us.
What "sickness" is it called when you are forced to hear lame jokes and irrational dialogue while you watch a movie? I've got that.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on February 04, 2009, 05:55:39 PM
What "sickness" is it called when you are forced to hear lame jokes and irrational dialogue while you watch a movie? I've got that.
That is what I was talking about with the airsick bags.
Transformers action scenes gave me a headache and the dialog made me sick.
The teaser certainly indicates something HUGE.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on February 04, 2009, 07:48:16 AM
Was anyone expecting the trailer to be good.
I mean even if you can enjoy the movie as a dumb action movie did you really expect it to be good?
I was hoping for at least one fart joke in the trailer. That's the one bathroom joke they missed in the first. Here's to hoping they don't pass on that one!
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on February 04, 2009, 05:55:39 PM
What "sickness" is it called when you are forced to hear lame jokes and irrational dialogue while you watch a movie? I've got that.
Probably an offshoot of the sickness caused by reading your posts.
Quote from: Sideswipe on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on February 04, 2009, 05:55:39 PM
What "sickness" is it called when you are forced to hear lame jokes and irrational dialogue while you watch a movie? I've got that.
Probably an offshoot of the sickness caused by reading your posts.
:rimshot:
I don't remember the camera shaking in the first movie. But then, I don't remember anything about the first movie. Because it was forgettable. Something no one else seems to have picked up on. Oh, it's a subtle aspect of the filmmaking, granted.
Are you ready for a giant robotic weiner? If the toy version is even close to the film version, you'd better be cuz Michael Bay will be shoving this in your FACE!!!!
Spoiler
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Yup. The movie's main bad is rape-tastic!
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on February 09, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Spoiler
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Uhh....
uhhh....
:rocks back and forth in fetal position:
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on February 09, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Are you ready for a giant robotic weiner? If the toy version is even close to the film version, you'd better be cuz Michael Bay will be shoving this in your FACE!!!!
Spoiler
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Yup. The movie's main bad is rape-tastic!
Well the first movie was 70% pee and sex jokes so i can't say I am that shocked.
That Transformer reminds me of the movie "Seven" for some reason.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on February 09, 2009, 10:51:01 AM
That Transformer reminds me of the movie "Seven" for some reason.
:clap:
Quote from: Doctor Who? on February 09, 2009, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on February 09, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Are you ready for a giant robotic weiner? If the toy version is even close to the film version, you'd better be cuz Michael Bay will be shoving this in your FACE!!!!
Spoiler
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Yup. The movie's main bad is rape-tastic!
Well the first movie was 70% pee and sex jokes so i can't say I am that shocked.
I saw somewhere that shockwave was going to be in it also.... sounds like a good idea right?... there were some protoype toys that were leaked and apparently he looks pretty much like all the other robots and it turns into a sci-fi looking jet thing. Just what we needed, another jet.
This is Shockwave
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This is Soundwave
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I'm still not sure what Shockwave is supposed to turn into, perhaps a vibrator.
Shockwave is a giant space gun
What the fuck is a space gun?
I think it's a vibe that stimulates more than one spot at a time.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on February 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
I thing it's a vibe that stimulates more than one spot at a time.
It's actually what happens when Hasbro/Takara recycles a pre-existing robot toy that happens to turn into a sci-fi gun with no known back story other than it was made to be cool half-assedly. They probably figured that if the kids could accept giant talking robots overall, a giant floating space gun wasn't too much of a stretch.
Unknown to all, Shockwave's birth certificate cites his real name as being "Galaxy Man", but he changed it legally so he'd be cooler. ;D
Quote from: Tyrant on February 09, 2009, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on February 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
I thing it's a vibe that stimulates more than one spot at a time.
They probably figured that if the kids could accept giant talking robots overall, a giant floating space gun wasn't too much of a stretch.
Well, Megatron was a giant talking robot that shrunk into a much smaller handgun when it transformed... Like didn't the other decepticons wield Megatron in gun form and used him to shoot at things and whatnot? My limited memory of that show seems to include something like this... So anyways, a giant robot transforming into giant space gun is probably an improvement from the kid plausibility factor.... at least there is no magical shrinkage involved. And if there was magical shrinkage involved... then ignore this paragraph... and my apologizes in advance for talking about magical shrinkage in a thread that has already touched on double dipper sex toys.
Quote from: Imrahil on February 09, 2009, 11:07:53 AM
Do you mean Soundwave? or is Shockwave a different Transformer?
Anyway, yeah. They all look like insects anyway.
Ya soundwave. Wow.... I feel dumb now. My inner child just slapped me for getting that mixed up.
I saw the preview they showed during the superbowl, and i have just one thing to point out:
Remember all those complaints TF1 got for using shakeycam when all its characters were giant piles of sharp metal, thus making the action indistinguishable?
Well, I have to say I didn't recognize a damn thing in that trailer.
Apparently Bay has a way of transforming complaints directly into money.
WREE-WRO-CHO-CHA
Quote from: Nunyerbiz on February 09, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrant on February 09, 2009, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on February 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
I thing it's a vibe that stimulates more than one spot at a time.
They probably figured that if the kids could accept giant talking robots overall, a giant floating space gun wasn't too much of a stretch.
Well, Megatron was a giant talking robot that shrunk into a much smaller handgun when it transformed... Like didn't the other decepticons wield Megatron in gun form and used him to shoot at things and whatnot? My limited memory of that show seems to include something like this... So anyways, a giant robot transforming into giant space gun is probably an improvement from the kid plausibility factor.... at least there is no magical shrinkage involved. And if there was magical shrinkage involved... then ignore this paragraph... and my apologizes in advance for talking about magical shrinkage in a thread that has already touched on double dipper sex toys.
TF nerd mode initiating in 3....2....1:
The TFs have mass pocketing technology (which I can't remember the real name of, so for the sake of argument I'll use your terminology of (Rifftrax Announcer Voice) "Magical Shrinkage Technology"). They shrink their mass by shoving the excess amounts of it into a pocket dimension in order to reduce their size. This would be the creepiest dimension ever. You'd see giant TF parts floating all around. Some of them quite disturbing. Like G1 Megatron's excess trigger mass.....
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To over think things a bit, it's always been assumed Shockwave's inability or unwillingness to shrink to proper gun size indicates he's meant to be wielded by another Transformer larger than him, like a gestalt or Guardian robot like Omega Supreme. Or he's just insecure.
TF nerd mode deactivating.
Quote from: Tyrant on February 09, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
Some of them quite disturbing. Like G1 Megatron's excess trigger mass.....
Though to be fair, that was disturbing regardless of if it was pocketed or not.
Only if everyone else here who enjoys the same thing can be Transformers too.
....and I will be Dingleberrytron.
Quote from: Junkyard on February 09, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
I saw the preview they showed during the superbowl, and i have just one thing to point out:
Remember all those complaints TF1 got for using shakeycam when all its characters were giant piles of sharp metal, thus making the action indistinguishable?
Well, I have to say I didn't recognize a damn thing in that trailer.
Apparently Bay has a way of transforming complaints directly into money.
WREE-WRO-CHO-CHA
The only thing I reconized was a giant robot on a unicycle.
Quote from: KingOfShippers on February 09, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: Junkyard on February 09, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
I saw the preview they showed during the superbowl, and i have just one thing to point out:
Remember all those complaints TF1 got for using shakeycam when all its characters were giant piles of sharp metal, thus making the action indistinguishable?
Well, I have to say I didn't recognize a damn thing in that trailer.
Apparently Bay has a way of transforming complaints directly into money.
WREE-WRO-CHO-CHA
The only thing I reconized was a giant robot on a unicycle.
Outmoded Transportationtron?
Quote from: Imrahil on February 09, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
Incidentally, I think this
Quote from: Junkyard on February 09, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
WREE-WRO-CHO-CHA
is the best rendering of the transforming sound I've ever read. It's possibly the only one I've ever read as well, but it's awesome. I salute you, sir.
its completely wrong and a disgrace
Do-re-me-fa-so
Quote from: Minnesota on February 04, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on February 04, 2009, 09:11:56 AM
Will they be handing out airsick bags at the movie theaters this time then?
I get that some people don't like the style of Transformers, Cloverfield, etcetera... but the 'motion sickness thing' is WAY too overblown at this point. Frankly the shaky cam stuff is rather watchable to the vast majority of us.
Not to get off the subject of robots weenies, but a teen I know worked at the Rave when Cloverfield was released. He would tell you it's not overblown. He said there was a lot of puke to be cleaned up.
He didn't work there during Transformers (I don't think, I don't recall him talking about it anyway), but it's not nearly as unwatchable as Cloverfield in that respect (granted, Shia's acting might make some want to puke).
Having worked in movie theaters for the past 10 years or so I can vouch for the fact that many, many people puked during Cloverfield (and Blair Witch). Some of the patrons I encountered who got sick said they had never had a problem with motion sickness before. I don't recall anyone getting sick during Transformers.
Quote from: mearnest on February 11, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
Having worked in movie theaters for the past 10 years or so I can vouch for the fact that many, many people puked during Cloverfield (and Blair Witch). Some of the patrons I encountered who got sick said they had never had a problem with motion sickness before. I don't recall anyone getting sick during Transformers.
One of the few rifftraxes I would have trouble watching again. I didn't get sick watching it but during the movie when they dropped the camera... my wife and I yelled "THANK GOD THE CAMERA IS STILL FOR A MOMENT!" I don't think that's what the director really wanted as his effect. I actually enjoyed blair witch so I'm sure this could have been done. But sadly, they failed miserably. It became more of an annoyance in the end. If only michael bay would figure this out.
Nobody puked during Cloverfield. People just brought bags of puke into theaters and dumped them on the floor as part of a viral marketing stunt for puke.com. Puke! It's What's For Dinner. They were just piggybacking the Cloverfield viral marketing. It's similar to when people said The Dark Knight was the best movie ever made and bought millions of tickets as viral marketing for bullshit.com.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-devastator-revealed-166787/)
Quote from: Imrahil on February 11, 2009, 09:45:15 AM
Why does he have green stuff in his mouth? Did he stop in Nilbog?
I'm sure he "oil leaks" on hospitality, too.
I almost puked during Transformers, though it had nothing to do with motion sickness.
Quote from: Crow T. Robot 666 on February 11, 2009, 06:28:10 PM
I almost puked during Transformers, though it had nothing to do with motion sickness.
:clap:
So they've cut out the middle man and just had the Transformers make themselves puke.
Okay new interview from michael bay. Take what you will from it. His biggest selling point was the fact the robots have more personality and its darker. I guess that's a step in the right direction.... I did get a kick out of the fact that he referenced his previous movie in a didn't know what we were doing kind of attitude. Seemed fitting even though he was jokingly saying it.
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/02/10/michael-bay-dishes-out-some-crazy-transformers-2-hype/ (http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/02/10/michael-bay-dishes-out-some-crazy-transformers-2-hype/)
thats only what he told the interviewer, and they guy doing the interview only talked to him for 5 minutes.
In the 80s, the most popular Transformer was the one that turned into a tape deck. Something we could identify with. So what would the most popular Transformer turn into for us now? A 360? A mortgage? Divorce papers? Obama?
That's the problem with today's emphasis on compact technology; All the most modern Transformers could be lost down the couch cushions.
"Okay, I-Podotron, I'll handle Starscream, you take care of Megatron. Roll out!"
"But Optimus, wait! I can't-"
"Prepare for oblivion, Autobot!"
"Shit."
He'll make Megatron listen to Celine Dion.
Quote from: bratpop on February 13, 2009, 04:32:30 AM
In the 80s, the most popular Transformer was the one that turned into a tape deck. Something we could identify with. So what would the most popular Transformer turn into for us now? A 360? A mortgage? Divorce papers? Obama?
I'm guessing a DvD boxset of lost,or $30 Blue Ray player.
Granted, this would apply only to Decepticons, as Autobots have to be automobiles.
(Which indicates to me, Decepticons would always win, because even if an Autobot is a giant tank, a Decepticon could be a button that turns the tank off.)
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40804
The action scenes at the end are bad ass
Positive thing about those clips- Many of the scenes take place in areas that aren't the exact same color as the robots. Also, some of the new robots have actual, you know, color.
Ughhh... so it appears other than the action parts, we're in for some more stupid humor apparently. More of the same I suppose.
Quote from: Piobman on April 18, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
Ughhh... so it appears other than the action parts, we're in for some more stupid humor apparently. More of the same I suppose.
And the robots are still a jumbled mess of parts!
And to those of you who think it's somehow great that Megan Fox is in this? It's work like this that keep her out of porn where she belongs.
The only way I am seeing this is if there is a Rifftrax of it!
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 18, 2009, 12:09:41 PM
Quote from: Piobman on April 18, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
Ughhh... so it appears other than the action parts, we're in for some more stupid humor apparently. More of the same I suppose.
And the robots are still a jumbled mess of parts!
And to those of you who think it's somehow great that Megan Fox is in this? It's work like this that keep her out of porn where she belongs.
The only way I am seeing this is if there is a Rifftrax of it!
Be strong Darth Geek ... Michael bay said this one was going to have more transformers... and have a darker theme. So, I'm guessing that means making a transformer obnoxiously cry and shaking the camera violently for 95% of the movie. If nothing else, at least we got through the masturbation jokes in the first movie. He wouldn't dare do that twice.
You're right, it will probably be a joke about robot masturbation this time.
I have said it before and I will say it again, this should have been directed by Bob Zemeckis or Joe Dante. Everything that the people who love the current movie would have been satisfied (action, explosions) and those that hated the current movie would be satisfied (more understandable robot design, less shaky cam, no "Avid fart" editing, better story, good characters, etc.).
Quote from: Imrahil on April 18, 2009, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 18, 2009, 12:09:41 PM
And to those of you who think it's somehow great that Megan Fox is in this? It's work like this that keep her out of porn where she belongs.
The only way I am seeing this is if there is a Rifftrax of it!
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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Will Mountain Dew-a-tron finally have a larger role?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2009, 06:00:34 AM
Will Mountain Dew-a-tron finally have a larger role?
More importantly, will Mountain Dew a tron finally be made into a toy? As much as I hate the movie, I would buy a toy if he actually transformed, and shot little dew cans.
I think they had a toy out, actually. Didn't transform, though.
I hope they let him show his acting chops.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2009, 09:06:01 AM
I hope they let him show his acting chops.
They'll do that by having him shoot out diet Mountain Dew.
Quote from: Imrahil on April 19, 2009, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on April 19, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 19, 2009, 09:06:01 AM
I hope they let him show his acting chops.
They'll do that by having him shoot out diet Mountain Dew.
I shoot out diet coke several times a day. I'm more of a method actor.
With the talents of a Thai hooker, it seems. :)
Well he doesn't transform, but there IS a Robot Heroes figure of him. (His official name: Dispensor)
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Quote from: Imrahil on April 24, 2009, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: Pak-Man on April 24, 2009, 07:32:06 AM
Well he doesn't transform, but there IS a Robot Heroes figure of him. (His official name: Dispensor)
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So if there were a transformer who shot out feces, would he be called Shittor?
That's just ridiculous!
Apology accepted.
So there's a big nationwide screening tonight of Transformers 1, where there will be a new trailer/footage shown and supposedly a message from Michael Bay. Many seem to think that some few these might actually be screenings of #2. I got tickets to one here in Denver, going to load up the Transformers rifftrax and jsut in case they're showing us the first one. DISEMBAUDIO DONT LET ME DOWN!
Quote from: DrForester on April 29, 2009, 02:55:58 PM
So there's a big nationwide screening tonight of Transformers 1, where there will be a new trailer/footage shown and supposedly a message from Michael Bay. Many seem to think that some few these might actually be screenings of #2. I got tickets to one here in Denver, going to load up the Transformers rifftrax and jsut in case they're showing us the first one. DISEMBAUDIO DONT LET ME DOWN!
You must hate yourself.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on April 29, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: DrForester on April 29, 2009, 02:55:58 PM
So there's a big nationwide screening tonight of Transformers 1, where there will be a new trailer/footage shown and supposedly a message from Michael Bay. Many seem to think that some few these might actually be screenings of #2. I got tickets to one here in Denver, going to load up the Transformers rifftrax and jsut in case they're showing us the first one. DISEMBAUDIO DONT LET ME DOWN!
You must hate yourself.
Ended up being Transformers 1, some people did leave. I still enjoyed the first one and didn't mind seeing it ont eh big screen again. I totally failed to synch up the rifftrax and my MP3 players Fast Forward sucks so that was a bust.
How much money did American car companies throw away in advertising dollars in THIS movie?
Chrysler and GM money spent is Taxpayer money, so the American people helped finance this movie.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gm-unlikely-to-help-market-transformers-sequel-2009-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/gm-unlikely-to-help-market-transformers-sequel-2009-2)
QuoteIf GM pulls out, Paramount might have to spend $30-50 million extra, the amount usually covered by brand partners like GM, to market its Transformers sequel.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on May 11, 2009, 05:35:04 AM
How much money did American car companies throw away in advertising dollars in THIS movie?
Chrysler and GM money spent is Taxpayer money, so the American people helped finance this movie.
Well, be fair. GM and Chrysler inked the promo deals and paid out the money well before they got semi-nationalized. We didn't pay for the product placement: we'll just be paying for it later. In the theaters. :rimshot:
Quote from: Scrivener on May 11, 2009, 05:39:52 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on May 11, 2009, 05:35:04 AM
How much money did American car companies throw away in advertising dollars in THIS movie?
Chrysler and GM money spent is Taxpayer money, so the American people helped finance this movie.
Well, be fair. GM and Chrysler inked the promo deals and paid out the money well before they got semi-nationalized. We didn't pay for the product placement: we'll just be paying for it later. In the theaters. :rimshot:
Well, them spending money on garbage like this is the kind of waste that got them to the point where we are now, so we financed Transfomers.
What person bought a car based off of a movie?? I'd like to see the market research on that.
I could show it to you if I still worked in that department.
The basic upshot is, not many.
As product placement went, sponsoring sporting events was always much more effective.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on May 11, 2009, 05:44:45 AM
I could show it to you if I still worked in that department.
The basic upshot is, not many.
As product placement went, sponsoring sporting events was always much more effective.
So there must be some benefit that is outside of the predictable numbers. Some kind of perk for management or something? Some kind of quid pro quo somewhere, somehow??
Mostly it's a public relations thing, "look kids we're involved in the hip new film., buy our cars please"
Why do they advertise in what is basically a movie for kids? I can see them advertising in James Bond movies etc., but in the first Transformers movie they had big robots pissing on things. How in the world does that sell 50,000 dollar cars?
Mostly it's relying on the fact that the movie, while being made for kids, is also going to have a following of adults who loved the toys when they were little.
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Even the &*$^#% LOGO is too complicated!
Or they could just be going for authenticity. If you don't want Transformers that turn into "A Car." you have to get licensing. Every actual car you show has to cost some money, and it makes sense to buy in bulk, hence only a couple companies get their cars featured. Not EVERYTHING is a big marketing grab. Sure, the marketing grab is THERE, but I don't think it's the reason. Just serendipity.
Quote from: Pak-Man on May 13, 2009, 01:35:06 AM
Or they could just be going for authenticity. If you don't want Transformers that turn into "A Car." you have to get licensing. Every actual car you show has to cost some money, and it makes sense to buy in bulk, hence only a couple companies get their cars featured. Not EVERYTHING is a big marketing grab. Sure, the marketing grab is THERE, but I don't think it's the reason. Just serendipity.
These cars aren't costing Hollywood anything; the car companies are paying Hollywood to FEATURE their cars. This IS a big marketing grab, and isn't a worthwhile marketing grab. That's my point.
Quote from: Pak-Man on May 13, 2009, 01:35:06 AM
Sure, the marketing grab is THERE, but I don't think it's the reason. Just serendipity.
But I'm telling you, it is the reason. This isn't idle speculation, all of the companies would have liked to be featured if they could have been. I know because it was my department that did the lobbying.
So yes marketing is the reason those specific cars were featured and why the money was spent. Bumblebee could have been a different car had GM not lobbied for his being the '09 Camaro.
The fact that Transformers was a long car commercial is not suprising to me, nor do I really have a problem with that (the cartoon was a long toy commercial that got interupted periodically by other toy commercials, for crying out loud!). But it wasn't even a good car commercial.
And thus a poor use of the money it cost.
I would only buy those vehicles featured in the movie if they actually turned into giant, sentient robots. Otherwise I'm keeping my beloved Nissan.
I suspect I'm a hard audience to market to. :P
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Quote from: Imrahil on May 13, 2009, 08:32:37 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on May 13, 2009, 08:27:37 AM
I would only buy those vehicles featured in the movie if they actually turned into giant, sentient robots. Otherwise I'm keeping my beloved Nissan.
I suspect I'm a hard audience to market to. :P
If they did that with you inside, wouldn't you squirt out like chunky salsa?
No. It'd be like in Robotech. :)
(Evil grin)
So, here's Sam's theme from the upcoming sequel:
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Yes, that is "The Touch" by Stan Bush. And a Linkin Park-esque remix.
Now, I'm going to listen to a bunch of Transformers' fans head explode.
Quote from: Compound on May 17, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
(Evil grin)
So, here's Sam's theme from the upcoming sequel:
(Embedded is disabled)
Yes, that is "The Touch" by Stan Bush. And a Linkin Park-esque remix.
Now, I'm going to listen to a bunch of Transformers' fans head explode.
That singer looks like present-day Roman Polanski.
Quote from: Compound on May 17, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
(Evil grin)
So, here's Sam's theme from the upcoming sequel:
(Embedded is disabled)
Yes, that is "The Touch" by Stan Bush. And a Linkin Park-esque remix.
Now, I'm going to listen to a bunch of Transformers' fans head explode.
Great, they took a song that was bad in a fun cheesy way and made it a bad in a stupid way. Thank you rap.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on May 13, 2009, 06:05:54 AM
Quote from: Pak-Man on May 13, 2009, 01:35:06 AM
Sure, the marketing grab is THERE, but I don't think it's the reason. Just serendipity.
But I'm telling you, it is the reason. This isn't idle speculation, all of the companies would have liked to be featured if they could have been. I know because it was my department that did the lobbying.
So yes marketing is the reason those specific cars were featured and why the money was spent. Bumblebee could have been a different car had GM not lobbied for his being the '09 Camaro.
Marketting is not the entire reason, but it helped out both sides. The production didnt have to buy the cars and GM got really good exposure. At the time the first movie was bieng made in 06 there was no garantee that the Camaro would have gone into full production, and in the new movie the Corvette Centenial is just a concept and will not be put into production. People need to stop bitching about the cars in the movie when the entire premise is robots that transform into CARS.
Oh, more fun.
Some folks here may be familiar with Asylum Films, a low budget film company who specialize in titles "inspired by" big budget releases, such as Snakes on a Train, The Terminators, Alien vs. Hunter, Pirates of Treasure Island, War of the Worlds, and of course, Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus. Okay, that last one's a bit of an anomaly.
Anyway, one of their best known "tributes" is Transmorphers. Well, guess what's being advertised?
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And it's scheduled to be released a few days before the film in this thread's title. Gotta give them props. They may not be the most talented folks, but they've got good timing.
What pisses me off the most about Asylum's "mockbusters" is that everything about them feels rushed. WHY? It's based on big studio movies that take two years to make. It's not like they don't have time to spend on writing. Granted they don't have the budget for effects, actors, sets, lightinng, sound, editing, etc. etc. etc. But good writing doesn't cost more, it just means recognizing talent and plenty of time. Yet the scripts for these movies feel like they were jotted down on a napkin over a meal at Denny's.
If they actually did anything interesting in their films, I'd be all for them, but they tend to be amazingly boring.
Quote from: Junkyard on May 19, 2009, 06:44:34 AM
If they actually did anything interesting in their films, I'd be all for them, but they tend to be amazingly boring.
Agreed. Even the actors seem bored most of the time. Is Bulgaria really that boring?
Depends if you live in the areas where you farm barley and beets or the areas where you get you legs broken by the mafia.
Looks like after this one, the Transformers fans won't have Michael Bay to kick around any more...
http://movies.ign.com/articles/996/996050p1.html
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 18, 2009, 11:34:40 PM
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
That's who you feel sorry for?! Barton Fucking Fink got a golden shower in the last movie! Bruce Boxleitner should be happy someone remembeed him. They could just as easily have gone with Gil Gerard. Or Scott Bakula. Or the guy who cleans Michael Bay's pool.
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 18, 2009, 11:34:40 PM
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
From the article............"With Transformers mania currently gripping the globe,...."
I think that is swine flu, not transformers mania.
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 19, 2009, 04:50:28 AM
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 18, 2009, 11:34:40 PM
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
That's who you feel sorry for?! Barton Fucking Fink got a golden shower in the last movie! Bruce Boxleitner should be happy someone remembeed him. They could just as easily have gone with Gil Gerard. Or Scott Bakula. Or the guy who cleans Michael Bay's pool.
Yeah, I didn't say I liked that... But I still feel sorry for Bruce.
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 19, 2009, 05:04:21 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 19, 2009, 04:50:28 AM
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 18, 2009, 11:34:40 PM
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
That's who you feel sorry for?! Barton Fucking Fink got a golden shower in the last movie! Bruce Boxleitner should be happy someone remembeed him. They could just as easily have gone with Gil Gerard. Or Scott Bakula. Or the guy who cleans Michael Bay's pool.
Yeah, I didn't say I liked that... But I still feel sorry for Bruce.
Transformers is certainly a step up from his stints in SciFi Channel movies. I looked in IMDB and he seems to have played a sheriff in a bunch of them. And why a "sheriff"?
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2009, 05:20:18 AM
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 19, 2009, 05:04:21 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 19, 2009, 04:50:28 AM
Quote from: mattwnelson on June 18, 2009, 11:34:40 PM
I just saw that Transmorphers 2 trailer... Oh, Bruce Boxleitner... How sad for you. Star of one of the best sci-fi series of all time and now you're in this. :'(
That's who you feel sorry for?! Barton Fucking Fink got a golden shower in the last movie! Bruce Boxleitner should be happy someone remembeed him. They could just as easily have gone with Gil Gerard. Or Scott Bakula. Or the guy who cleans Michael Bay's pool.
Yeah, I didn't say I liked that... But I still feel sorry for Bruce.
Transformers is certainly a step up from his stints in SciFi Channel movies. I looked in IMDB and he seems to have played a sheriff in a bunch of them. And why a "sheriff"?
wait, is this guy in Transformers 2 or Transmorphers 2?
Friend of mine just saw it. He said it was a ton better than the first, and actually quite good in the bargain. I don't believe him, of course. :)
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 06:40:29 AM
Friend of mine just saw it. He said it was a ton better than the first, and actually quite good in the bargain. I don't believe him, of course. :)
Which one? Transformers 2 or Transmorphers 2?
Whoops. Transformers 2.
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
Wonder if that guy knows Chester A. Bum?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
...
Are you calling me a crackhead?
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
...
Are you calling me a crackhead?
No, your friend.
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
...
Are you calling me a crackhead?
No, your friend.
He prefers meth.
My apologies. ;)
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 19, 2009, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 19, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
It should say on the DVD cover, "...actually quite good in the bargain." - Some Crackhead
...
Are you calling me a crackhead?
No, your friend.
He prefers meth.
My apologies. ;)
that'll learn ya
So...anyone else hoping this movie's Riff Trax will be better than the first?
Reading this quote from a review should be tantalizing fodder for the guys:
Times have changed: The students' frat parties now rake place as sleazy discos and strip clubs. On Sam's first night out, he's seduced by a Decepticon posing as a seductive fresh student. A lap dance leads to a near consummation, when the door opens and girlfriend Mikaella shows up, unexpectedly.
http://emanuellevy.com/reviews/details.cfm?id=13634
A Decepticon posing as a horny, very human, college tramp!? All of a sudden a planet where everyone communicates by singing doesn't sound so cheesy.
Quote from: Harley Quin on June 20, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
So...anyone else hoping this movie's Riff Trax will be better than the first?
Reading this quote from a review should be tantalizing fodder for the guys:
Times have changed: The students' frat parties now rake place as sleazy discos and strip clubs. On Sam's first night out, he's seduced by a Decepticon posing as a seductive fresh student. A lap dance leads to a near consummation, when the door opens and girlfriend Mikaella shows up, unexpectedly.
http://emanuellevy.com/reviews/details.cfm?id=13634
A Decepticon posing as a horny, very human, college tramp!? All of a sudden a planet where everyone communicates by singing doesn't sound so cheesy.
Oh my gosh!
To think this movie is expected to be the biggest movie of the summer.
I am going to have a good cry now.
Okay, so Mark Kermode tore it a new one is his very funny, angry rant on his podcast this past friday. Something along the lines of "morally reprehensible" in the way that women are leered over in the movie. :)
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 21, 2009, 09:02:08 AM
Oh my gosh!
To think this movie is expected to be the biggest movie of the summer.
I am going to have a good cry now.
I guess Bay really took the cliche that sequels have to be bigger, louder than the first movie to heart. I'm guessing that this movie will be a big hit not because of people who really liked the first one (I'm not included in that bunch as you all well know.) but because of people curious to know how how entertainingly cheesy it really is.
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 21, 2009, 05:17:18 PM
Okay, so Mark Kermode tore it a new one is his very funny, angry rant on his podcast this past friday. Something along the lines of "morally reprehensible" in the way that women are leered over in the movie. :)
Got a link?
They normally stream live from the studio, but they were at the Edinburgh film festial this week and had a live studio audience in. They usually post them on Youtube, but they haven't done it yet. The BBC website might point you in the right direction.
Well me and Tyrant have midnight tickets tonight and we intend to see it unironically. (Not ALL of us TF fans hated the first one!) We'll be sure to post our uniquely biased review sometime soon for those on the fence. :^)
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 23, 2009, 08:42:10 AM
They normally stream live from the studio, but they were at the Edinburgh film festial this week and had a live studio audience in. They usually post them on Youtube, but they haven't done it yet. The BBC website might point you in the right direction.
Might this be the review you were talking about?
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 23, 2009, 08:52:19 AM
Well me and Tyrant have midnight tickets tonight and we intend to see it unironically. (Not ALL of us TF fans hated the first one!) We'll be sure to post our uniquely biased review sometime soon for those on the fence. :^)
Well, I'd see it if I could get in for free. I just refuse to pay for uninspired movies anymore. At least the cartoon series (All of them to some degree.) at least tried to come up with easy to follow plotlines.
Quote from: Harley Quin on June 23, 2009, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 23, 2009, 08:42:10 AM
They normally stream live from the studio, but they were at the Edinburgh film festial this week and had a live studio audience in. They usually post them on Youtube, but they haven't done it yet. The BBC website might point you in the right direction.
Might this be the review you were talking about?
There we go. I'm subscribed to the official channel on Youtube, so I never thought to look anywhere else. :)
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 23, 2009, 09:29:22 AM
There we go. I'm subscribed to the official channel on Youtube, so I never thought to look anywhere else. :)
Wow, he seems to really hate this movie. I don't know. I think it might have cheesy entertainment value. I know that the one battle I'm looking forward to, and apparently the only bright spot in the movie according to critics, is Optimus battling 3 Decepticons all by himself.
I love Ebert's review. It starts:
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... a horrible experience of unbearable length,
And he suggests "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination."
Hilarious. Maybe we should get him to guest riff on it when it comes out?
Quote from: torgosPizza on June 23, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
I love Ebert's review. It starts:
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... a horrible experience of unbearable length,
And he suggests "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination."
Hilarious. Maybe we should get him to guest riff on it when it comes out?
Is he able to talk properly now? He's good on "normal" commentaries.
I just love Roger Ebert.........
Quote from: torgosPizza on June 23, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
I love Ebert's review. It starts:
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... a horrible experience of unbearable length,
And he suggests "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination."
Hilarious. Maybe we should get him to guest riff on it when it comes out?
I wish he would re-review the first one. I haven't been able to respect him as much as I used to since he gave that piece of trash and others like it a pass. I assume he was on painkillers, but still...
I love the end of the review "It's the biggest something of all time".
If it does become the biggest movie of all time I will kill some puppies.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 23, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
I love the end of the review "It's the biggest something of all time".
If it does become the biggest movie of all time I will kill some puppies.
Did someone say "puppies"?
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Just got back from it and I liked it a lot. I'll go into more detail after I get some sleep and after more people have seen it, but my quick impression:
If you liked the first, you'll love this one. If you hated the first, this one won't change your mind.
If you enjoyed watching Transformers fight, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more interplay between humans and Transformers, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more Transformers in your Transformers movie, Bay's got you covered. And if you absolutely loved watching Bumblebee urinate on a guy, well, Bay's got you covered there too. It's more of everything, and if you have the stamina for it and an open mind, it's quite a ride.
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 24, 2009, 03:13:27 AM
Just got back from it and I liked it a lot. I'll go into more detail after I get some sleep and after more people have seen it, but my quick impression:
If you liked the first, you'll love this one. If you hated the first, this one won't change your mind.
If you enjoyed watching Transformers fight, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more interplay between humans and Transformers, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more Transformers in your Transformers movie, Bay's got you covered. And if you absolutely loved watching Bumblebee urinate on a guy, well, Bay's got you covered there too. It's more of everything, and if you have the stamina for it and an open mind, it's quite a ride.
You're biased anyway so we expected a positive opinion, nothing new there.
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 24, 2009, 03:13:27 AM
Just got back from it and I liked it a lot. I'll go into more detail after I get some sleep and after more people have seen it, but my quick impression:
If you liked the first, you'll love this one. If you hated the first, this one won't change your mind.
If you enjoyed watching Transformers fight, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more interplay between humans and Transformers, Bay's got you covered. If you wanted more Transformers in your Transformers movie, Bay's got you covered. And if you absolutely loved watching Bumblebee urinate on a guy, well, Bay's got you covered there too. It's more of everything, and if you have the stamina for it and an open mind, it's quite a ride.
Of course he's got you covered, it's 2 hours and 20 minutes long. :)
Unfortunately what Bay covers you with is nothing but slag.
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 23, 2009, 08:52:19 AM
Well me and Tyrant have midnight tickets tonight and we intend to see it unironically. (Not ALL of us TF fans hated the first one!)
Actually, the vast majority of TF fans I know
loved the first movie.
I loved the first one and I went to the movie last night. I LOVED it. It was fantastic. I'm a big fan and I enjoyed it.
Oh and the Autobot twins (Skids and Mudflap) are not racial stereotypes unless YOU make them that way. I saw them as stupid hick kids who were Ghetto wannabes more than anything.
Would the movie win any awards? No. But it is an action packed thrill ride and a great popcorn movie.
So, $16 million last night. Oh buddy.
Short review: forgot it was coming out today. Missed midnight show. Saw it first thing today, thanks to folks here reminding me it started,
Very enjoyable. Enjoyed it more than the first one. Ebert's an idiot.
There are no good Michael Bay movies. By default it sucks.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 24, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
There are no good Michael Bay movies. By default it sucks.
could someone tell me why everybody seems to hate Michael Bay?
Quotewhich privileges explosions and things being destroyed
that why most people go to the movies to see things go BOOM!
Quote from: Schwarzwald on June 24, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Quotewhich privileges explosions and things being destroyed
that why most people go to the movies to see things go BOOM!
I go to see a movie....like with a story and characters and a plot...but to each his own.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 24, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Schwarzwald on June 24, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Quotewhich privileges explosions and things being destroyed
that why most people go to the movies to see things go BOOM!
Yep, most people. That's why I say that "most people" don't mind Michael Bay. "Most people" also enjoy reality television, Britney Spears, and NASCAR.
they can keep Britney Spears and reality television for all it is worth
I generally don't like Bay's flicks, but he was a good match for Transformers, IMHO.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 24, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
"Most people" also enjoy reality television, Britney Spears, and NASCAR.
Hey, I like Nascar, quit picking on me.
I also like The Criterion Collection DVDs, so there! ;)
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Quote from: Bob on June 24, 2009, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 24, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
"Most people" also enjoy reality television, Britney Spears, and NASCAR.
Hey, I like Nascar, quit picking on me.
I also like The Criterion Collection DVDs, so there! ;)
Sorry, I'll fix it:
"Most people" also enjoy reality television, Britney Spears, and Bud Light.
Better?
You good kid!
You stupid Americans, buying into all that Transformer-y crapness and being blinded by the loud bangs and pretty colours. We Englishman would never--
*hears it's made £9 million in its first weekend in the UK*
Nevermind. :-[
Just got back from Transformers, it was dreadful. I liked the last one despite its short commings, but I really could not enjoy this one.
The final battle sequence kept going on and on and on and on and on and on longer than the city battle in the last movie, and to make things worse, you couldn't tell who were the descepticons and the autobots and who was shooting at who, it was all so confusing!
Plus Bumblebee and Optimus were barely in the movie at all, and the unlikeable human characters hogged all the screen time. And the jokes were cruder and lamer than the last movie made worse with a shot of John Turturro in a thong.
And lastly, what was with all the sexploitation?! I felt like I was watching Grindhouse!
Why does Bay keep putting sex and lots of talking in movies that only an 8 year old would want to see?
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 03:31:32 PM
Why does Bay keep putting sex and lots of talking in movies that only an 8 year old would want to see?
From the reviews most people have been giving in here, people much older than 8 not only wanted to see this movie but enjoyed it. Just sayin'.
I, for one, am going to avoid this film like the plague until Mike, Kevin, and Bill do a Rifftrax for it.
QuoteFrom the reviews most people have been giving in here, people much older than 8 not only wanted to see this movie but enjoyed it. Just sayin'.
and it is making money and from the looks of thing's it is going to make a whole lot more.
Does anyone here have a gun?
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Here:
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 24, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Here:
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Last time I shot someone with it, it took three days to die.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Actually, I have several:
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What'cha need?
-dale
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 24, 2009, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 24, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Here:
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Last time I shot someone with it, it took three days to die.
That's only because you specifically target crotches. Sadist.
Quote from: Rattrap007 on June 24, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
Oh and the Autobot twins (Skids and Mudflap) are not racial stereotypes unless YOU make them that way. I saw them as stupid hick kids who were Ghetto wannabes more than anything.
Me too. I saw them more as Southern rednecks than anything, but I live in the South so my perception is probably colored.
Quote from: dalem on June 24, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Actually, I have several:
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dmancini.com%2Fpictures%2Fswords%2FImage01.jpg&hash=8c032fc3f2109f432607bf6fe326f6f68cd08d1f)
What'cha need?
-dale
I'll take them all and shoot Bay's office to pieces Matrix style.
Quote from: dalem on June 24, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Actually, I have several:
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dmancini.com%2Fpictures%2Fswords%2FImage01.jpg&hash=8c032fc3f2109f432607bf6fe326f6f68cd08d1f)
What'cha need?
-dale
Tremors. Oh wait, this isn't the screencap game. My bad.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on June 24, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Does anyone here have a gun?
Here:
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Is that from Get Smart?
Quote from: Imrahil on June 24, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
Jeez, Dalem. Worried about the King of England putting troops in your house or something?
Hey when the Zombies come he's ready.
BBQ's one-word review:
ASS!!!
Yeah, Megan Fox was pretty good in it. There was applause. :^)
No, I mean "ass" in the sense that "this movie was ASS!" As in, that's what it would smell like if it had a smell. Sweaty, smelly fat man ass.
Sweet merciful heavens, where to start.
Let me preface this by saying that I actually like the first film. I'm a longtime Transformers fan, and I still like it. It's big, dumb, and noisy, yes, with a couple of inappropriate moments, but overall it has a reasonable MacGuffin, some genuinely menacing villains, and competent heroes (at least on the part of the Autobots). Then there's Revenge of the Fallen.
Well, first off, this is the only time I've ever been so bothered by a film that I actually intend to write to its parent company I'm lookin' at YOU, Hasbro) about their approval of this... thing.
Target audience appears to be mentally retarded nymphomaniac eight-year-olds with flatulence fetishes. Not a moment goes by but that a joke about sexual dominance, excreta, or some other foulness comes out of the characters. And while the sexuality wasn't as explicit as I'd feared from reviews I'd read, it was bad enough. Sam's seduction scene with the sexbot isn't interesting or sexy, it's embarrassing, pointless, and grotesque.
And what is up with the mouth on the Transformers? Seriously? Are the toys going to have sound chips that just say "ass" over and over again, if you'll excuse me? Because that's the only way that they can recreate the magic of the heroic Autobots, especially the tremendous comedy duo that are Skids and Mudflap. Their incessant, filthy chatter grated on my nerves for the whole film, and at the moment where Devastator eats one of them, I found myself wanting to cheer. Too bad the little vermin manages to free himself seconds later. They should have combined at the end to form Skidmark. Ha ha! I made a poop joke. Hey, I can write Transformers 3!
Then there's the action. Okay, there's one scene. ONE scene, that made me go AW YEAH, and that's Optimus in the woods. I don't want to say any more, because you'll probably go see it no matter what I say, but that fight is EPIC. But aside from that, it's even more incomprehensible than the first film. Explosions constantly cover the lens with debris and dust, and Bay's shaky-cam is flat-out DERANGED in this film. I mean, there's a scene where Megatron and Starscream are talking atop a building, which calls for a still shot if ever one did, or at the very least close-ups of their faces back and forth, but instead we're treated to enless spinning around and around the building, possibly so you can't get a good look at who's talking. I'm just not sure. And the Autobots seem... rather ineffectual in this movie. Seriously, Transformers guys, I shouldn't feel like the bad guys should be the clear winners because of their ability to actually make cohesive plans. Optimus and Bumblebee make the only really great showing in this film.
Now, somewhere along the line I am pretty sure that the creators said something about more robots and more characterization in this film. Well, they delivered on one point - there's more robots. But the ones that we actually WANT to see more of, such as the Arcee twins (which in the film there are... three... of... huh), Sideswipe, Soundwave, and some of the other new Decepticons, are swallowed up by Skidmark (ha ha I did it again) and WHEELIE.
Wheelie alone makes me want to kick someone in the junk. For those of you who aren't old-school TF fans, we love to hate on the old Wheelie. In the cartoon, he was a little orange dude who always spoke in rhyme. He had a high-pitched voice and was clearly a stab at making a 'kid' Transformer. Apparently someone got the bright idea to make a new Wheelie for us to hate on, but he got all the reasons wrong. We may hate the old Wheelie, but it's generally like your annoying kid brother. The new Wheelie is a shrill mini-bot who turns into a blue RC car, and humps Megan Fox's leg. Oh yeah, and he lives on the end of a chain she drags him around by. They even make REFERENCE to the fact that he's basically a vile robot chihuahua. Hey movie. Just because you're ironically self-aware doesn't make you cool. And just because you name your annoying robot Wheelie doesn't mean we'll like him in that hateful way we like the old one.
And oh, sweet mercy, the humans in this film. To be brief, too many, too dumb, and too useless.
Not to mention the fact that the film doesn't even have a singular MacGuffin! There's like three or four, one of which is never mentioned again (the shard of Cube that Megan Fox had in her purse or her pocket or her cleavage or somewhere). I realize that the MacGuffin is always just a way to advance the plot, but stick with one and be done with it! Don't try to make this "National TransVinci Code" and have them traipsing everywhere looking for more and more crap.
On the plus side, the character designs are quite neat (what you get to see of them), though the direction they took Jetfire is... weird, and the visuals are fairly strong. And there's that forest scene. Last but not least, this is going to make one heck of a Rifftrax.
Go get 'em, boys.
Sorry about the novel, but I had to vent my spleen.
M@
Did you say a character was named Wheelie in this movie? WHEELIE!? Oh dear God...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Michael Bay for giving me and Transformers fans a new reason to hate Wheelie.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 25, 2009, 08:30:24 AM
Did someone say Megan Fox's ass?
Not I kind sir.
And oh my God....the guy that did the voice of Spongebob was the voice of one of the racist stereotype Autobots. I mean he does a great Chris Latta style Starscream, but why did he have to lend his voice to what is basically one half of a robotic styled Jar Jar Binks type character team?
I am losing the will to live.
Quote from: Midna on June 25, 2009, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 25, 2009, 08:30:24 AM
Did someone say Megan Fox's ass?
Not I kind sir.
And oh my God....the guy that did the voice of Spongebob was the voice of one of the racist stereotype Autobots. I mean he does a great Chris Latta style Starscream, but why did he have to lend his voice to what is basically one half of a robotic styled Jar Jar Binks type character team?
Tom Kenny is a great voice actor.
He was also Wheelie. The entire time I couldn't stop thinking about Ratbert whenever he talked
Quote from: spaceforarent on June 25, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Tom Kenny is a great voice actor.
He was also Wheelie. The entire time I couldn't stop thinking about Ratbert whenever he talked
Funny I heard Clamps from Futurama...
Quote from: Rattrap007 on June 25, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on June 25, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Tom Kenny is a great voice actor.
He was also Wheelie. The entire time I couldn't stop thinking about Ratbert whenever he talked
Funny I heard Clamps from Futurama...
:D
Stop making me want to see this! :angry:
Quote from: Rattrap007 on June 25, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on June 25, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Tom Kenny is a great voice actor.
He was also Wheelie. The entire time I couldn't stop thinking about Ratbert whenever he talked
Funny I heard Clamps from Futurama...
um....
Clamps is played by Maurice LamarcheHOWEVER, Tom Kenny does play a few characters on Futurama. Mostly one time characters and Yancy Fry.
He also grew up in my city, not that it has anything to do with anything.
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 24, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
I generally don't like Bay's flicks, but he was a good match for Transformers, IMHO.
Exactly! And, think about it this way, folks: The more Michael Bay makes Transformers sequels, the more he stays away from
everything else.
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 24, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
I generally don't like Bay's flicks, but he was a good match for Transformers, IMHO.
Exactly! And, think about it this way, folks: The more Michael Bay makes Transformers sequels, the more he stays away from everything else.
Actually, I think the opposite. He is a horrible match for anything that could be cool. For God's sake, he remade Clonus:The Parts Horror, and made it even worse!
You're making my argument for me. I'd much rather have another Transformers movie than The Island II.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 25, 2009, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 24, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
I generally don't like Bay's flicks, but he was a good match for Transformers, IMHO.
Exactly! And, think about it this way, folks: The more Michael Bay makes Transformers sequels, the more he stays away from everything else.
Actually, I think the opposite. He is a horrible match for anything that could be cool. For God's sake, he remade Clonus:The Parts Horror, and made it even worse!
*Parts: The Clonus Horror.
Up next: I correct everyone's spelling and grammer!
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
You're making my argument for me. I'd much rather have another Transformers movie than The Island II.
Transformers
could have been cool*. The remake of Clonus could not.
*Even if you liked Bayformers, you would have liked it as much if not more had it been made by a competant fimmaker.
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
I guess we'll find out. Bay's had it with Transformers. He even said he's had it with explosions, but I don't think he can stay mad at explosions. :^)
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Yes, but I've read fanfiction from people who write Trabsformers stories for fun that are better than what Bay's done for the franchise.
Quote from: Midna on June 25, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Yes, but I've read fanfiction from people who write Trabsformers stories for fun that are better than what Bay's done for the franchise.
And those people have turned Transformers from an item of retro trivia into something that is actually in the public eye again?
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 25, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Yes, but I've read fanfiction from people who write Trabsformers stories for fun that are better than what Bay's done for the franchise.
And those people have turned Transformers from an item of retro trivia into something that is actually in the public eye again?
Yes, because it's fans like that that make Transformers conventions, retro toys and other merchandising possible. Otherwise it would be just a distant memory not worth spending millions of dollars on a movie.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 25, 2009, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 25, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Yes, but I've read fanfiction from people who write Transformers stories for fun that are better than what Bay's done for the franchise.
And those people have turned Transformers from an item of retro trivia into something that is actually in the public eye again?
Yes, because it's fans like that that make Transformers conventions, retro toys and other merchandising possible. Otherwise it would be just a distant memory not worth spending millions of dollars on a movie.
That about sums it up. And I bet if some talented fanfiction writers (Not just any fanfiction writers just to make my point clear. Just the really exceptional ones.) could bang out a script it'd be a much more entertaining experience too than what we have. Anythiong is better than the slap dash approach that seems to be the usual cop out for anything based on a toy line, video game, etc. etc. Just read about the upcoming GI Joe debacle where test audiences gave it the lowest test score of any movie ever. I am sick of film makers taking the easy road with these adaptations just because it's based on the Transformers toys and whatnot. It doesn't give them the right to do whatever the hell they want. Whatever happened to doing your hardest to at least making a decent movie regardless of the source? I mean give me a break. Do movie audiences really demand to see John Turturro in a thong or two male dogs humping or Spike's mom hallucinating from eating pot laced brownies? How is this adding to the already convoluted story?
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 25, 2009, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 25, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Yes, but I've read fanfiction from people who write Trabsformers stories for fun that are better than what Bay's done for the franchise.
And those people have turned Transformers from an item of retro trivia into something that is actually in the public eye again?
Yes, because it's fans like that that make Transformers conventions, retro toys and other merchandising possible. Otherwise it would be just a distant memory not worth spending millions of dollars on a movie.
Actually, we merely kept it on life support until Hasbro could think of a way to bring it back to a younger crowd that would spend $ on it. As much stuff as there is that's G1-centric, there is far, far more that isn't and that's the stuff making the big bucks now. We got the ball rolling, but it's stuff like Bay's TFs that
keep the ball rolling. Whether fans like it or not.
My review, which was far too long to even spoiler post here (IMO): http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=119924767&blogId=496880369 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=119924767&blogId=496880369). Some of it is retrospective bullcrap, but it's a public blog and it needed it. But for those who don't care, I had been entertained at the end of the movie. I think that's what movies are for, so Bay did his job.
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Slight premise? Jonathon Lynn and John Landis made a good movie out of CLUE, for crying out loud! You know how? Because they are good filmmakers! Michael Bay is not.
I'm not going to see this film. Maybe when it comes out on DVD, but defenitely not when I have to pay ten bucks to see it.
By all apearences and reports, this film is just the last one, but more so in every direction.
Now Micheal Bay has to have known that some things just weren't well recieved the last time, so he brings them back in force.
Why?
Because he actively dispises moviegoers. He knows we'll still go see it because the premise itself promises giant robots. It wouldn't be that hard to make a film that doesn't make you kringe and feel embarressed while watching, but that wouldn't be nearly as fun.
So no, he's not getting my money.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 25, 2009, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Slight premise? Jonathon Lynn and John Landis made a good movie out of CLUE, for crying out loud! You know how? Because they are good filmmakers! Michael Bay is not.
I might like to add that Pirates of the Caribbean was a movie based upon a theme park ride and Gore Verbinski, Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio were able to make that slight premise into a really good movie without copping out. If there ever was the slightest of a premise basing a movie on a themepark ride is much more slight than basing it off of a cartoon. There is no excuse for why you have to take a half assed approach when it comes to Transformers.
Quote from: Midna on June 26, 2009, 06:59:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 25, 2009, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 25, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
My point is, Transformers is such a slight premise that you really don't need an auteur to bring it to the big screen. I'd rather good directors focus on other stuff.
Slight premise? Jonathon Lynn and John Landis made a good movie out of CLUE, for crying out loud! You know how? Because they are good filmmakers! Michael Bay is not.
I might like to add that Pirates of the Caribbean was a movie based upon a theme park ride and Gore Verbinski, Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio were able to make that slight premise into a really good movie without copping out. If there ever was the slightest of a premise basing a movie on a themepark ride is much more slight than basing it off of a cartoon. There is no excuse for why you have to take a half assed approach when it comes to Transformers.
Thanks, Midna. I think that's an even better example becauseof the budget comparisons, that it was also a modern summer blockbuster, and that there were other movies Disney made with the exact same idea (turn a theme park attraction into a movie), like Country Bears that turned out terrible, because they hired bad filmmakers.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 26, 2009, 09:24:55 AM
Thanks, Midna. I think that's an even better example becauseof the budget comparisons, that it was also a modern summer blockbuster, and that there were other movies Disney made with the exact same idea (turn a theme park attraction into a movie), like Country Bears that turned out terrible, because they hired bad filmmakers.
I try to help out whenever I can. ;) But it really does just astound me that most guys, like Paul W.S. Anderson, take a franchise with a rich wealth of information and churn out crap movies because they just don't care. All they care about is the bottom line and that's conning people out of their money. Yet you have a movie like Pirates of the Carribean that has not very much to go on (And maybe that's a good thing in a way.) yet they were able to produce a very entertaining movie.
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The animation of Michael Bay's inner psyche made me laugh.
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The animation of Michael Bay's inner psyche made me laugh.
That was funny. Loved the name of the co-host robot thing. And yes, Michael Bay's inner psyche was great.
The film is what it is, a big summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less. Thats what it is and it delivers. Its a big action movie, no one tries to pretend that it isnt, if you want something with more depth watch a boring indie flick. The majority of fanfiction is utter crap, if you are really a Transformer fan than you will know that there are episodes with the plot far worse. I thought the story was perfecly sound for the kind of movie it is. Yes there were some over the top moments, like Sam's mother but you forget about it once you get into the movie. Stop bitching about Devastors "testicles" for fuck's sake. They are wrecking balls from a robot made out of construction vehicles and they were only mentioned in one scene, ints not like they were glorified for 10 minutes.
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The animation of Michael Bay's inner psyche made me laugh.
Me too. That was great. :clap:
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The animation of Michael Bay's inner psyche made me laugh.
Me too. That was great. :clap:
Ditto. Actually, I was laughing for most of the review. Spot on.
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The animation of Michael Bay's inner psyche made me laugh.
I love the cameo from Fred Sanford. :D
His inner psyche should have been in slow-motion with harsh lighting and maybe a lens flare.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 27, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
That was funny. Loved the name of the co-host robot thing. And yes, Michael Bay's inner psyche was great.
That would make one hell of an animated avatar too.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 27, 2009, 08:56:06 AM
The film is what it is, a big summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less.
Translation: The same old boring excuse for sloppy mediocrity.
Quote from: Midna on June 27, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 27, 2009, 08:56:06 AM
The film is what it is, a big summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less.
Translation: The same old boring excuse for sloppy mediocrity.
Truth. I am so sick of that excuse.
Besides Star Trek, has there been any other Hollywood Blockbuster that's been positively reviewed yet?
Ever? Terminator 2 was pretty good...
I mean this year. Seems like a fallow period for the big movies.
I think we're out of luck until The Expendables comes out.
Well, Harry Potter might be good. The last one disappointed me, but overall the series has been good.
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 27, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
Besides Star Trek, has there been any other Hollywood Blockbuster that's been positively reviewed yet?
Would The Hangover and Up count? Otherwise, none that I can think of.
Quote from: Midna on June 27, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 27, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
That was funny. Loved the name of the co-host robot thing. And yes, Michael Bay's inner psyche was great.
That would make one hell of an animated avatar too.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 27, 2009, 08:56:06 AM
The film is what it is, a big summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less.
Translation: The same old boring excuse for sloppy mediocrity.
Translation: The movie I wanted didn't get made, so I'm gonna stamp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.
Quote from: gbeenie on June 27, 2009, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 27, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 27, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
That was funny. Loved the name of the co-host robot thing. And yes, Michael Bay's inner psyche was great.
That would make one hell of an animated avatar too.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 27, 2009, 08:56:06 AM
The film is what it is, a big summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less.
Translation: The same old boring excuse for sloppy mediocrity.
Translation: The movie I wanted didn't get made, so I'm gonna stamp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.
This just in if you don't shower every movie that comes out of Hollywood with praise and act like it is the best thing ever no matter how stupid or racist it is you are a big baby!
Quote from: gbeenie on June 27, 2009, 06:40:29 PM
Translation: The movie I wanted didn't get made, so I'm gonna stamp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.
That doesn't extend to just Transformers you know. Honestly, do you really love watching spoon fed crappy movies? Whatever happened to good, well executed Summer movies with souls like E.T. or Raiders of the Lost Ark, movies that appealed to narrative sensibilities, not money grubbing hucksterism?
Quote from: Midna on June 28, 2009, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 27, 2009, 06:40:29 PM
Translation: The movie I wanted didn't get made, so I'm gonna stamp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.
That doesn't extend to just Transformers you know. Honestly, do you really love watching spoon fed crappy movies? Whatever happened to good, well executed Summer movies with souls like E.T. or Raiders of the Lost Ark, movies that appealed to narrative sensibilities, not money grubbing hucksterism?
Couldn't agree more, Midna. And the fact that your two example were from Spielberg, who hired Bay for these, shows just how much he's lost it.
Here's my problem with a lot of the complaints about the Transformers movies: Most of the people doing the complaining couldn't string five words together on the subject of what they would have done differently.
An example of what I'm talking about: I have a friend (who, like me, is a comics fan) who absolutely HATED The Dark Knight. Even though I disagree with his assessment, he was at least able to articulate where he thought the movie went wrong, and what decisions he would have made to turn it into something he would have enjoyed.
I've not heard so much as a syllable of that from Transformers fans who have been bitching about these movies for three+ years (who are in the minority, btw; virtually every old-school TF fan I know loves the movies). If you want to hate the Transformers movies based on cinematic merit (they ARE Michael Bay movies, after all), that's one thing. But the vast majority of people who will respond to this saying that they DO hate them on the basis of merit will be lying through their teeth: They hate the films because it isn't the four-color, 8 fps toy commercials they remember from their childhoods.
Like I said in discussing the first movie, some people have made FAR too great an emotional investment in the concept, and their expectations are so amorphous (and, dare I say, juvenile) as to be impossible to satisfy; good on Michael Bay for not even trying.
Someone brought up the example of Pirates of The Caribbean in an utterly failed attempt to draw a parallel. The reason the PoTC movies worked is that the expectations for the first film were basically nil. Let's be honest: Are those films really anything more than slightly upscale popcorn movies?
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 28, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
Couldn't agree more, Midna. And the fact that your two example were from Spielberg, who hired Bay for these, shows just how much he's lost it.
I still haven't lost total faith in Spielberg just yet. I'm just hoping that Indy 5 will be a return to Raiders quality.
Quote from: gbeenie on June 28, 2009, 10:15:35 AM
Here's my problem with a lot of the complaints about the Transformers movies: Most of the people doing the complaining couldn't string five words together on the subject of what they would have done differently.
I have an entire fanfiction worth of what I'd like to see concerning the Transformers.
But Transformers was all ABOUT Money-grubbing hucksterism. :^)
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 28, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
But Transformers was all ABOUT Money-grubbing hucksterism. :^)
Exactly! After watching the Bay flick, I ordered the entire series because I wanted to see if I was remembering the transformers correctly (haven't seen it since I was a kid). II watched all of season 2 last night. The Bay film is Transformers. It's all about ridiculous plots and big robots blowing stuff up with Prime teaching everyone a lesson in the end and Megatron getting his ass stomped.
If anything, Bay's plots make more sense than the series plots. But, boy, were they ingenious. I can see why I wanted to buy every toy. It seems like every week they featured some new robot (who coincidentally was for sale at a wal-mart near you) or made a minor character "major" for an episode or two, wanting to get kids to say "MOM! I WANT [dinobot]." Brilliant advertising scheme. Not only did they feature that for one episode, but it continued over a few so you could continue to be reminded you wanted the new toy and whine to your mom about it (or maybe you missed how cool it was last week) and the new bot is even cooler the next episode.
Hasbro was a genius...and Optimus Prime is still my hero.
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 28, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
But Transformers was all ABOUT Money-grubbing hucksterism. :^)
Well it worked! From the imdb:
QuoteParamount's Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen came within inches -- well, $2.6 million -- of overtaking last year's The Dark Night as the film with the best 5-day opening of all time. According to studio estimates, it grossed $201.2 million versus $203.8 for Warner Bros.' Knight. The figure included estimated results for Sunday, therefore final actual ticket sales, to be released on Monday, could push the total past Knight's record mark
The Transformers sequel performed nearly as impressively overseas, raking in $162 million in 58 countries, including $21.9 million in China, setting a record for an English-language film in that country.
Just kill me know.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 28, 2009, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 28, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
But Transformers was all ABOUT Money-grubbing hucksterism. :^)
Exactly! After watching the Bay flick, I ordered the entire series because I wanted to see if I was remembering the transformers correctly (haven't seen it since I was a kid). II watched all of season 2 last night. The Bay film is Transformers. It's all about ridiculous plots and big robots blowing stuff up with Prime teaching everyone a lesson in the end and Megatron getting his ass stomped.
If anything, Bay's plots make more sense than the series plots. But, boy, were they ingenious. I can see why I wanted to buy every toy. It seems like every week they featured some new robot (who coincidentally was for sale at a wal-mart near you) or made a minor character "major" for an episode or two, wanting to get kids to say "MOM! I WANT [dinobot]." Brilliant advertising scheme. Not only did they feature that for one episode, but it continued over a few so you could continue to be reminded you wanted the new toy and whine to your mom about it (or maybe you missed how cool it was last week) and the new bot is even cooler the next episode.
Hasbro was a genius...and Optimus Prime is still my hero.
But in the original show, the robots were the primary characters, not the humans.
Cause human toys aren't as cool. I guess that's the main valid criticism compared to the show. Sam gets more screen time than Spike ever did.
I think the second movie did a good job of putting in less humans and more robots, though.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 28, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Cause human toys aren't as cool. I guess that's the main valid criticism compared to the show. Sam gets more screen time than Spike ever did.
I think the second movie did a good job of putting in less humans and more robots, though.
Really, I heard there was like an hour of padding with humans in the middle...
Bring on the Rifftrax!
Naw. There were very few Transformerless scenes. Other than about 10 minutes of Sam going to College, there was a Transformer to be found in pretty much every scene.
I'm not asking for Shakespeare - frankly, I'd settle for halfway-passable stuff on the level of boilerplate pulp sci-fi. The cartoon (what little I've seen of it, anyway) rose to that incredibly low standard, so why couldn't this movie? The direction was a messy, hyperkinetic, ADHD horror. There wasn't a single human character I liked. Hell, the robot characters were annoying, too. The guy they're counting on as a male lead is about as appealing and pleasant as having your testicles held against a belt sander. The jokes are juvenile, and the very sensibility behind the movie is crass, cynical, and expresses a contempt for the audience that I consider to be an absolute insult to my intelligence.
Had I not been dragged to this movie, I would never in a million years have gone to see it.
And the notion that the people criticizing the movie couldn't think of what they'd do differently is just a thinly-veiled version of the classic non-argument "Let's see YOU do better." The truth is, I have no idea what a Transformers movie should be like, because I don't know the first thing about Transformers - much like Michael Bay doesn't know the first thing about making a good movie.
But if I were in charge of producing a Transformers film, I'd tell you what I'd do. I'd put the creative development of the movie in the hands of people who actually like Transformers (unlike Bay, who has openly expressed disdain for the franchise) - people who truly understand and respect the characters, and who have the talent of introducing these characters in a way that is accessible to mainstream audiences. Failing that, I'd get someone with experience writing quality scripts for movies like this.
For a director, I'd get someone with talent and capable of creating a film that appeals to an earnest sense of childlike wonder (as opposed to a money-and-effects-driven hack like Bay) - you know, someone like Steven Spielberg used to be. I think Peter Jackson could pull it off. John Favreau is another guy I think could be trusted with it, as could Gore Verbinski. Failing that, I'd at least get a guy who can film an action scene competently. Hell, I'd even settle for McG - say what you will about Terminator Salvation, but at least I could tell what was happening.
In spite of what this movie's defenders would have you think, making a fun summer movie that isn't retarded is actually not that hard. The fact that I myself couldn't do better doesn't mean that there aren't a number of filmmakers out there who could. If they can make a good movie out of a goddamned theme park ride with no mythology or history whatsoever, then they can make a good movie out of a long-running and popular franchise that has produced at least passable material in the past - regardless of whether it started as a toy commercial.
I have the special advantage of being able to criticize this film from the perspective of a non-fanboy, and I can tell you quite simply - it SUCKS. Audiences deserve better than this. And to say that this is the best Hollywood can do is simply wrongheaded thinking - plain and simple.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 01:08:39 AM
I have the special advantage of being able to criticize this film from the perspective of a non-fanboy, and I can tell you quite simply - it SUCKS. Audiences deserve better than this. And to say that this is the best Hollywood can do is simply wrongheaded thinking - plain and simple.
Can I tell you how often people laughed and cheered in the theater when I saw it? Are you sure audiences WANT "better than this"?
I think this forum suffers from being movie snobbish. Joe Public is not. He just goes to have a fun time at the movies. That's not to say they wouldn't enjoy a better movie, but they enjoyed this one too.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 29, 2009, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 01:08:39 AM
I have the special advantage of being able to criticize this film from the perspective of a non-fanboy, and I can tell you quite simply - it SUCKS. Audiences deserve better than this. And to say that this is the best Hollywood can do is simply wrongheaded thinking - plain and simple.
Can I tell you how often people laughed and cheered in the theater when I saw it? Are you sure audiences WANT "better than this"?
I think this forum suffers from being movie snobbish. Joe Public is not. He just goes to have a fun time at the movies. That's not to say they wouldn't enjoy a better movie, but they enjoyed this one too.
I'm not movie-snobbish, I really enjoyed the first transformers movie, but I could not believe how much I hated this one.
This movie defeated the guy who does "Lil'formers."
(https://forum.rifftrax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lilformers.com%2Fcomics%2F2009-06-29.jpg&hash=4c4dfcbe0c479868d9c0ee677a1e19b9c88ab93c)
Quote from: Pak-Man on June 28, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
But Transformers was all ABOUT Money-grubbing hucksterism. :^)
Uh...I don't think Hasbro really needed the cartoon to sell those Transformers toys. Look, the concept alone sold itself pretty well. Robots that turned into cars, planes, dinosaurs, etc. etc. I think that alone was enough to get you to buy 'em as a kid. The cartoon was just the icing on the cake. As far as 80's cartoons go, Transformers was top notch compared to some of the stuff I did watch like Turbo Teen and Hulk Hogan's Rock 'N Wrestling. I dare you to compare an episode of the Toei animated episodes to an episode of both Turbo Teen and Rock 'N Wrestling. I guarantee you will have a better appreciation of the Transformers cartoon when you see the worst the 80's Saturday lineup had to offer. And you try animating a weekly cartoon within a strict time limit when you farm the work out to an Asian animation company like Toei. That's a lot of work that they had to get done with just hand drawn animation you know. Plus let's not forget they had to record the voice tracks, compose the music score as well as edit that all together all in a week's time too. And when you are a poor kid, like I was, the cartoon was all you had to play with in your mind, or haven't you realized that? I never had one Transformer toy as a kid. All I had was my imagination (I was always Megatron and my younger sister was Starscream.) and maybe the kid next door letting us play with his toys when we visited. You guys say G1 fans are whiny? You're starting to sound a little whiny yourselves complaining about a simple cartoon aimed at children.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 29, 2009, 01:33:53 AM
I think this forum suffers from being movie snobbish. Joe Public is not. He just goes to have a fun time at the movies. That's not to say they wouldn't enjoy a better movie, but they enjoyed this one too.
God bless you for saying this, AmandaGal, I could not agree more. This forum definitely has knee-jerk reactions to certain movies and everyone jumps on the bandwagon to pile on the derision and scorn.
I liked both Transformers movies, not for the scintillating dialog nor for the dramatic plot development. It was all fairly ridiculous, really -- we all made fun of the thing on the way home in the car on Friday night. Still -- I had a great time. I went expecting to see a movie about giant robots beating the shit out of each other and that's exactly what I got. Anyone who goes for anything more than that is just fooling themselves.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 01:08:39 AM
But if I were in charge of producing a Transformers film, I'd tell you what I'd do. I'd put the creative development of the movie in the hands of people who actually like Transformers (unlike Bay, who has openly expressed disdain for the franchise) - people who truly understand and respect the characters, and who have the talent of introducing these characters in a way that is accessible to mainstream audiences. Failing that, I'd get someone with experience writing quality scripts for movies like this.
Even though I liked this movie, I agree with you here. I wouldn't get any hardcore fans as producers/directors due to their tendency to immulate the franchise to their personal interpretation of it, but I would at least get someone who's neutral about the whole thing and can see it from an objective standpoint. Someone with a passing fancy for the franchise would be my alternate choice. They like it but not enough to screw it up. Fans bring baggage. That's all there is to it. Someone with a dislike for it...well, that's what we got. However, Bay knows how to blow things up, and that's what the producers wanted, and that's what we got. Perhaps someday they'll reboot the whole thing with a different director and everyone will be happy. Especially if the 3rd movie bombs at the box office (not likely, but still possible).
To reiterate my earlier post, this movie entertained me. That's what I went in for and that's what I got. There were things I didn't like about it, but they weren't enough to ruin the experience for me. I consider myself a true TF fan, and I consider any TF fan who loathed this movie true fans as well. Different strokes for different folks. None of us are under contract by Hasbro to like 100% of everything with the TF logo on it.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 28, 2009, 04:57:16 PM
Hasbro was a genius...and Optimus Prime is still my hero.
Preach it, sister! :highfive:
I couldn't decide between "emulate" and "immolate". Maybe she means it that way, that having a fanboy as a writer would result in an attempt to immitate his favorite series ultimately leading to firey destruction.
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on June 29, 2009, 08:31:50 AM
I couldn't decide between "emulate" and "immolate". Maybe she means it that way, that having a fanboy as a writer would result in an attempt to immitate his favorite series ultimately leading to firey destruction.
Sorry. I meant this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate). I iz not gud spellr.
What I was saying was that a fan would want to use his/her interpretation of the franchise and make the movie look like one of their fanfics. Sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: Tyrant on June 29, 2009, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on June 29, 2009, 08:31:50 AM
I couldn't decide between "emulate" and "immolate". Maybe she means it that way, that having a fanboy as a writer would result in an attempt to immitate his favorite series ultimately leading to firey destruction.
Sorry. I meant this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate). I iz not gud spellr.
What I was saying was that a fan would want to use his/her interpretation of the franchise and make the movie look like one of their fanfics. Sorry for the confusion.
Agreed. Too much fanboy involvement would at the very least make for a product a layman couldn't get invested in.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on June 29, 2009, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on June 29, 2009, 08:31:50 AM
I couldn't decide between "emulate" and "immolate". Maybe she means it that way, that having a fanboy as a writer would result in an attempt to immitate his favorite series ultimately leading to firey destruction.
Sorry. I meant this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emulate). I iz not gud spellr.
What I was saying was that a fan would want to use his/her interpretation of the franchise and make the movie look like one of their fanfics. Sorry for the confusion.
It's okay. I wasn't trying to be a prick here, I honestly didn't know what you were trying for.
No problem. ;)
The most appealing aspect of this movie is it leaves the viewer feeling like they got their money's worth. Going to the movies is expensive and people can trust that this movie will give them something for that dollar... long, loud, and full of expensive action scenes.
Is the movie good? not really, the story was convoluted, the jokes are childish, and above all it lacks originality. Is the movie bad? not really, it looks great, sounds great, and meets the expectations of a summer Transformers sequel.
In the end, Transformers 2 is limited in its PG-13 potential. The dialog is a convoluted mess of mild language, and practically the only saving grace of the film is its scenes of action violence (ie; 'that looked pretty cool' and 'whoa'). its notoriety calls for both an appeal to children and adults. The kid aspect is basically 'a child and his pet robot' and the adult appeal is 'sex and violence'. Unfortunately Shia is way to old to be still playing these kid roles, and I wish he'd take on a new role for a change. His scene presence is undeniable, but his talent is continually wasted in the 'kid' typecast of every one of his movies.
None of that criticism is meant to be a knock on the genera. Movies like ID4, Transformers, Armagedon, etcetera, are classics in their own rights... however ... I liked the movie a lot better the first time i saw it. Basically the novelty of watching giant fighting car robots has wore off a bit.
The fact that people are satisfied with crap does not mean that they don't deserve better. Do you really think they'd object to a movie that doesn't suck? Sorry, pal - try again. That response is at roughly the same intellectual level as putting your hands on your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALAL NOT LISTENING!" The fact that I go into movies expecting them to be good and enjoyable does not make me a snob - it makes me a sensible person.
I'm not being a snob - I'm saying that this movie wasn't GOOD. I mean, hell, my favorite movies are Die Hard and Road House. It's not like I'm averse to just having a good time. I'm not EXPECTING Shakespeare, I'm just expecting passable entertainment, and I didn't GET it. "Turn off your brain" is a response that can be used to defend ANY film - whether it be this movie, Batman and Robin, or Howard the Duck. If that's the ONLY defense you have, then you have no defense at all. The movie was just BAD.
Now, I'm an open-minded person. I have a tendency to be able to see the other side of an argument. It comes with the territory of having been on the debate team in high school. I mean, I can even understand why some people like the Matrix sequels, for crying out loud! But I cannot even begin to understand how someone could like this movie. I literally cannot think of any redeeming qualities. The closest thing to a positive thing I have to say about it is that it isn't the worst movie I've ever seen (and being better than Monster a Go-Go is so easy, since Monster a Go-Go is barely even a movie at all, which makes this not a redeeming quality).
I mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
I like you, BBQ. You're bold!
It was a sequel... as such it did a good job, and didn't disappoint. It was helped by the fact that Transformers 1 was only 'very good' as opposed to 'excellent'.
Basically if you want you're summer sequel to be good, you damn sure better put Christian Bale in it (last years Dark Knight, this year's T4)
A movie review from the Escapist, which hosts Zero Punctuation:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/797-Transformers-Revenge
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
The fact that people are satisfied with crap does not mean that they don't deserve better. Do you really think they'd object to a movie that doesn't suck? Sorry, pal - try again. That response is at roughly the same intellectual level as putting your hands on your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALAL NOT LISTENING!" The fact that I go into movies expecting them to be good and enjoyable does not make me a snob - it makes me a sensible person.
I'm not being a snob - I'm saying that this movie wasn't GOOD. I mean, hell, my favorite movies are Die Hard and Road House. It's not like I'm averse to just having a good time. I'm not EXPECTING Shakespeare, I'm just expecting passable entertainment, and I didn't GET it. "Turn off your brain" is a response that can be used to defend ANY film - whether it be this movie, Batman and Robin, or Howard the Duck. If that's the ONLY defense you have, then you have no defense at all. The movie was just BAD.
Now, I'm an open-minded person. I have a tendency to be able to see the other side of an argument. It comes with the territory of having been on the debate team in high school. I mean, I can even understand why some people like the Matrix sequels, for crying out loud! But I cannot even begin to understand how someone could like this movie. I literally cannot think of any redeeming qualities. The closest thing to a positive thing I have to say about it is that it isn't the worst movie I've ever seen (and being better than Monster a Go-Go is so easy, since Monster a Go-Go is barely even a movie at all, which makes this not a redeeming quality).
I mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
Dude, it's Transformers 2, not Citizen Kane. Calm down.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
The fact that people are satisfied with crap does not mean that they don't deserve better. Do you really think they'd object to a movie that doesn't suck? Sorry, pal - try again. That response is at roughly the same intellectual level as putting your hands on your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALAL NOT LISTENING!" The fact that I go into movies expecting them to be good and enjoyable does not make me a snob - it makes me a sensible person.
I'm not being a snob - I'm saying that this movie wasn't GOOD. I mean, hell, my favorite movies are Die Hard and Road House. It's not like I'm averse to just having a good time. I'm not EXPECTING Shakespeare, I'm just expecting passable entertainment, and I didn't GET it. "Turn off your brain" is a response that can be used to defend ANY film - whether it be this movie, Batman and Robin, or Howard the Duck. If that's the ONLY defense you have, then you have no defense at all. The movie was just BAD.
Now, I'm an open-minded person. I have a tendency to be able to see the other side of an argument. It comes with the territory of having been on the debate team in high school. I mean, I can even understand why some people like the Matrix sequels, for crying out loud! But I cannot even begin to understand how someone could like this movie. I literally cannot think of any redeeming qualities. The closest thing to a positive thing I have to say about it is that it isn't the worst movie I've ever seen (and being better than Monster a Go-Go is so easy, since Monster a Go-Go is barely even a movie at all, which makes this not a redeeming quality).
I mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
You're as beautiful as Lisa right now.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
I mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
And you're not a snob at all :D
Maybe I'm crazy... but I've always enjoyed Michael Bay movies because they suck... not in spite of it.
To expand on this overused turn of phrase "turn off your brain".... Michael Bay is like the Hollywood equivalent of the Fourth of July. Yea, fireworks aren't going to reduce our dependence on foreign oil or clean up that nasty taint rash you caught while swimming in Mexico or make you ponder the meaning of life... but who the fuck doesn't like to watch the pretty colors and feel the loud booms for a few hours each summer? I'm not "turning off my brain"... I'm just focusing things towards the part that controls drooling, smiling at pretty colors and laughing at people getting kicked in the crotch.
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
I mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
I can relate because I feel that way about Twilight, actually. Maybe there's something redeemable buried in there underneath all the crap that makes it worth one's time. I sure as hell can't see it, and I assume most people who are old enough to drink and smart enough to walk and breath at the same time like it only ironically because there's simply no other way to like it, but who am I to say? If people like it, there must be something in there to like. Folks liked Twilight. I liked Transformers 2.
Quote from: Nunyerbiz on June 29, 2009, 01:28:06 PM
Maybe I'm crazy... but I've always enjoyed Michael Bay movies because they suck... not in spite of it.
You're not crazy. You
get it. Some of us like big, stupid fun and go into a movie expecting big, stupid fun and nothing more.
I think a few posters, in this thread, need to get laid. ;)
Quote from: Tyrant on June 29, 2009, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Nunyerbiz on June 29, 2009, 01:28:06 PM
Maybe I'm crazy... but I've always enjoyed Michael Bay movies because they suck... not in spite of it.
You're not crazy. You get it. Some of us like big, stupid fun and go into a movie expecting big, stupid fun and nothing more.
Absolutely. :)
If it was big stupid fun and nothing more, I'd like these movies. The failed attempts at comedy relief and all the stupid jabbering dialogue just makes it too irritating to sit through, though. There are good movies that satisfy my desire for explosions and action, and there are bad movies that satisfy the same desire without padding themselves with unfunny jokes and worthless characters. There's nothing that Transformers does that another movie doesn't do better, including explosions and action.
To sum up this thread Every movie ever made is great and anyone who doesn't like a movie should be allowed to speak!
Also choosing what you are going to spend your money on makes you a snob.
I would just like to state this for the record I am a film snob and proud of it. There is nothing to be ashamed of if you want a good movie for your money. Who is with me? Snobs of the world unite!
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
To sum up this thread Every movie ever made is great and anyone who doesn't like a movie should be allowed to speak!
There are more people in this thread bashing the movie than praising it, dude. Ever think you may be...I don't know...overreacting just a tad?
Quote from: doggans on June 29, 2009, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
To sum up this thread Every movie ever made is great and anyone who doesn't like a movie should be allowed to speak!
There are more people in this thread bashing the movie than praising it, dude. Ever think you may be...I don't know...overreacting just a tad?
Doctor Who? Overreacting?! NO!
Quote from: doggans on June 29, 2009, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
To sum up this thread Every movie ever made is great and anyone who doesn't like a movie should be allowed to speak!
There are more people in this thread bashing the movie than praising it, dude. Ever think you may be...I don't know...overreacting just a tad?
This isn't about people liking or disliking the movie it's about the way some people keep insisting that not liking a movie or saying that it was bad after paying $10 for it makes you a snob. Also that being a snob is something to be ashamed of. I don't care what anyone thinks about this movie I just don't like the way some people are acting.
It's not being a snob to say you didn't like it. That's your right. If you don't get the difference between saying you don't like a movie and "I have the special advantage of being able to criticize this film from the perspective of a non-fanboy, and I can tell you quite simply - it SUCKS. Audiences deserve better than this. And to say that this is the best Hollywood can do is simply wrongheaded thinking - plain and simple." etc. then you're blind. (and that's just the most recent thing like that in this thread. Pretty much this whole thread is if you like you transformers, you're a stupid fanboy or a redneck idiot..
One is saying for you the movie is not good, the other is insulting to the people who did like it. Yes, there are people with other tastes than you in the world. That'd be like me going to a steakhouse and saying "I can't believe anyone eats that crap. You must have a low IQ to eat red meat, you dumb bastard." I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that.
Granted, I don't expect better from the rifftrax forum, being that we're here to basically be movie snobs.
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 29, 2009, 02:35:10 PM
Yes, there are people with other tastes than you in the world. That'd be like me going to a steakhouse and saying "I can't believe anyone eats that crap. You must have a low IQ to eat red meat, you dumb bastard." I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that.
The thought process going through someone's head as they write a rebuttal to that: "But steaks are something I like, which means they're good! It's different!"
Quote from: AmandaGal on June 29, 2009, 02:35:10 PMOne is saying for you the movie is not good, the other is insulting to the people who did like it.
Exactly. I have absolutely no desire to see Transformers 2, but I don't go around claiming that everyone who enjoyed it is somehow inferior to me in intelligence. I may claim that the DIRECTOR is inferior to me in intelligence, of course... :P
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 11:22:07 AMI mean, if you like it that's...okay, I guess. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand WHY you like it, but...you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just stand back and regard you safely, from a very, very long distance away. And maybe go sit in a corner and weep quietly for humanity for a little while.
Hey, I know, I'll jump in hours after the fact and without reading the comments after this post. That's how I roll. :)
[my opinion]
Not every created object need be "art" or "the best it can be" or even "good". Sometimes schlock is just what the doctor ordered, and I don't personally see anything wrong with that, so no need to weep. I have no doubt that someone could write, direct, and produce a truly "good" movie about giant talking robots that are also cars, and that fight each other. But isn't that a little bit of gild on that lily? In other words, why bother? Make 'em look good, move 'em from fight scene to fight scene as entertainingly as possible, and lean back and rake in the dough.
As I've said before, if a movie/song/book/sculpture aims for a solid "7" and buries the arrow feathers-deep right on target, why "weep" that it wasn't a "10"? Who's being let down by the achievement?
-dale
Peter Cullen, Jess Harnell, Grey Delisle, Charlie Adler, Tom Kenny, Kevin Michael Richardson, Michael York, Hugo Weaving, Tony Todd, and Frank Welker.
other than that, it was an alright movie
If you ask me anything Bay makes is a 0.
Also this movie is going to be the biggest entertainment event of all time,that makes me sad.
People would rather have things going boom,sex,fart jokes,and badly shot scenes then have good plotting,well shot scenes,and great acting. That makes me sad.
Saw this the other day and it is not as bad as everyone say's it is
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
If you ask me anything Bay makes is a 0.
Flippin' snob.
;)
Quote from: wurwolf on June 29, 2009, 12:13:35 PM
Dude, it's Transformers 2, not Citizen Kane. Calm down.
You didn't read the post, did you? I didn't say I wanted Citizen Kane - I said I wanted an action movie that didn't suck. I don't think that's a whole lot to ask for. The standards I had for this movie were quite low - and it failed to meet even the standards of a decent popcorn movie. This is the third time I've explained that no, I was not, in fact, expecting Shakespeare.
I'm not complaining because it wasn't
Citizen Kane. I'm complaining because it wasn't GOOD. Learn the difference.
If I sound pissy it's because I honestly haven't hated a big studio movie this much since
Ocean's Twelve. Forgive me for venting - my anger is directed not at you, but at the people responsible for making this movie in the first place. Any collateral damage is entirely incidental.
THIS MOVIE IS TEARING OUR FAMILY APART!
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
It doesn't bother me in the sense of this movie; it bothers me a bit in the sense that we'll now see this aesthetic in a million other movies. You know, like every movie after The Matrix had to have a slow-motion wire sequence in it.
Isn't that part of what makes film evolve as art, though? I'm certainly not suggesting anything Bay or his ilk does is art, but it's sort of how the ball gets rolling. Good or bad, these directors mimic a thing and over time that thing evolves either into something astounding or acts as a stepping stone for the next big thing.
Not everyone liked Cubism or punk music at first and made many parallel complaints about them as some of the commentary heard about action movies these days.
Transformers the name, and giant robots fighting, got people in theaters, that is why it is lucrative. A better filmmaker would have made a better movie AND it would have been made a buttload of money. Even his fans don't go see Michael Bay movies on his name alone.
you cant say that a different film maker would have made a better movie because you dont know what they would have done. Every director has a bad film. People did not go to the theater to see this film for the acting, they came to see it for the action, and Michael Bay does action as well as anyone else.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrant on June 29, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
It doesn't bother me in the sense of this movie; it bothers me a bit in the sense that we'll now see this aesthetic in a million other movies. You know, like every movie after The Matrix had to have a slow-motion wire sequence in it.
Isn't that part of what makes film evolve as art, though? I'm certainly not suggesting anything Bay or his ilk does is art, but it's sort of how the ball gets rolling. Good or bad, these directors mimic a thing and over time that thing evolves either into something astounding or acts as a stepping stone for the next big thing.
Not everyone liked Cubism or punk music at first and made many parallel complaints about them as some of the commentary heard about action movies these days.
The flaw in your argument is that this is driven by commerce. We'll see a fuckton of Bay-esque things not because it's artistically valid or interesting, but because it's financially lucrative. I don't think Picasso and the Cubists did what they did because they wanted to be financially lucrative.
Actually, Picasso was pretty well off when he died. :) I actually agree with your point, though. I didn't specify
why the movies evolve as they do, only how. I may have drawn the wrong comparisons, though.
Quote from: Sideswipe on June 29, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
you cant say that a different film maker would have made a better movie because you dont know what they would have done. Every director has a bad film. People did not go to the theater to see this film for the acting, they came to see it for the action, and Michael Bay does action as well as anyone else.
Which movie is Michael Bay's bad film? ~giggles to himself~
Quote from: BBQ Platypus on June 29, 2009, 05:42:20 PM
If I sound pissy it's because I honestly haven't hated a big studio movie this much since Ocean's Twelve. Forgive me for venting - my anger is directed not at you, but at the people responsible for making this movie in the first place. Any collateral damage is entirely incidental.
Oh, that makes me feel much better. I'm glad you clarified.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
Quote from: TeamRAD on June 29, 2009, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 29, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
If you ask me anything Bay makes is a 0.
Flippin' snob.
;)
And proud of it ;)
You weren't proud of it when I was slamming everyday peons and SUV driving soccer moms. You were quite indignant.
I haven't slammed anyone who likes this movie i have just said it is bad. Show me where I acting like anyone who likes this movie is sub human.
I have just said it is a stupid movie.
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrant on June 29, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on June 29, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
It doesn't bother me in the sense of this movie; it bothers me a bit in the sense that we'll now see this aesthetic in a million other movies. You know, like every movie after The Matrix had to have a slow-motion wire sequence in it.
Isn't that part of what makes film evolve as art, though? I'm certainly not suggesting anything Bay or his ilk does is art, but it's sort of how the ball gets rolling. Good or bad, these directors mimic a thing and over time that thing evolves either into something astounding or acts as a stepping stone for the next big thing.
Not everyone liked Cubism or punk music at first and made many parallel complaints about them as some of the commentary heard about action movies these days.
The flaw in your argument is that this is driven by commerce. We'll see a fuckton of Bay-esque things not because it's artistically valid or interesting, but because it's financially lucrative. I don't think Picasso and the Cubists did what they did because they wanted to be financially lucrative.
The "separation" between Art and Commerce is an artificial creation of the twentieth century.
Quote from: gbeenie on June 30, 2009, 12:38:23 AM
The "separation" between Art and Commerce is an artificial creation of the twentieth century.
19th.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on June 30, 2009, 04:26:27 AM
Quote from: gbeenie on June 30, 2009, 12:38:23 AM
The "separation" between Art and Commerce is an artificial creation of the twentieth century.
19th.
18th
I wanna count down too!
Also I did not like
Transformers 2. There are more betterer, less minstrelsy popcorn movies out there with even more assplosions. But I did like the unicycleboticon. He was adorable.
Nah, in the 18th is was still very much a salable commodity. It's in the 19th that people like Van Gogh began to promote the idea of the artist standing outside of the humdrum world of society and its commercial concerns.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on June 30, 2009, 05:05:33 AM
Nah, in the 18th is was still very much a salable commodity. It's in the 19th that people like Van Gogh began to promote the idea of the artist standing outside of the humdrum world of society and its commercial concerns.
Damn! So we're not counting down anymore? I wanted to see what happens when we reached zero.
Then you'd get that Mel Brooks skit about the first cave paintings and the first art critics.
Only Bay could make a movie so bad that it causes the Rifftrax Forum to implode.
I can see the sticker on the Blu Ray box now
Transformer 2
The movie that destroyed the internet!
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 30, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
I can see the sticker on the Blu Ray box now
Transformer 2
The movie that destroyed the internet!
This isn't even the biggest fight on the forum, not by a long shot. It's completely par for the course, actually. Calm down.
Yeah, you seem to have trouble grasping the concept that when 2 people disagree, it doesn't mean they hate eachother with a bloodthirsty passion. Likewise, when we disagree with you, we don't hate you for it either. When we tell you to chill, we're not telling you to accept our opinions. We're letting you know, in a generally friendly manner, that you might want to count to ten because you're the only one seeing these debates as life-and-death. Most of us here are just having fun with a little verbal sparring. If anyone here is NOT having fun, then look deep down within yourself and rethink your passtimes, because playing on the Internet should be fun. :^)
Yeah, remember the Religion thread? Can't imagine why that was locked . . . ;D
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 30, 2009, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
You two are both worse than the KKK and apartheid and cancer-AIDS combined. You will contract syphillis. OPTIMUS PRIME SYPHILIS THAT TRANSFORMS INTO HILTER-FLU.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on June 30, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
I can see the sticker on the Blu Ray box now
Transformer 2
The movie that destroyed the internet!
This isn't even the biggest fight on the forum, not by a long shot. It's completely par for the course, actually. Calm down.
I was only joking.
It just seems a little strange to me that a movie that looks as bland and by the numbers as Transformers 2 stirred up so much debate.
I'm not mad at anyone.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 30, 2009, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
You two are both worse than the KKK and apartheid and cancer-AIDS combined. You will contract syphillis. OPTIMUS PRIME SYPHILIS THAT TRANSFORMS INTO HILTER-FLU.
Bitch, are you saying those things to MY husband?? Don't make me hunt you down and beat your punk ass into submission. I hope Ironhide gives you SHIT SWINE FLU.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 30, 2009, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
You two are both worse than the KKK and apartheid and cancer-AIDS combined. You will contract syphillis. OPTIMUS PRIME SYPHILIS THAT TRANSFORMS INTO HILTER-FLU.
RAPE!!! Now I know how Sarah Palin feels.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 30, 2009, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
You two are both worse than the KKK and apartheid and cancer-AIDS combined. You will contract syphillis. OPTIMUS PRIME SYPHILIS THAT TRANSFORMS INTO HILTER-FLU.
Shut up woman! Man! You're a female Hiter! And a bitch! A Bitchler!
Ok what just happened?
I think my brain died.
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 10:13:39 AM
RAPE!!! Now I know how Sarah Palin feels.
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 30, 2009, 10:23:45 AM
Shut up woman! Man! You're a female Hiter! And a bitch! A Bitchler!
DIE DIE DIE! Only Ron Paul understands my pain.
And then RVR says something about boobs.
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
And then RVR says something about boobs.
With emoticons.
Quote from: mrbasehart on June 30, 2009, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
And then RVR says something about boobs.
With emoticons.
And pictures of himself drunk in Mexico.
C'mon, RVR. Don't let us down! Only you can save this thread!!
I we going to like the tequila signal? ;)
The other one might have been taken the wrong way.
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
Quote from: Imrahil on June 30, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
This was quite a good post on the NPR website (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/06/weekend_box_office_does_transf.html), a bit of which I reproduce here:
QuoteAn AP article argues today that Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen "sets a new standard for the gulf between what reviewers and mass audiences like."
...
But is that right? That audiences read reviews of Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen and think, "You don't know what you're talking about"?
Or do audiences understand what critics mean by "good," and simply think that's not the kind of "good" they're looking for on a Friday night?
Imagine a restaurant review of McDonalds. Now think about how much money McDonalds makes. It seems like a stretch to assume that the disparity means that people who eat at McDonalds are rolling their eyes at restaurant critics and thinking they don't know what they're talking about.
That's because not every purchase is conceived as an attempt to buy quality, either with burgers or with movie tickets. Sometimes you just want what you want.
This is more or less what the thread has been about, no?
Mark Kermode said something like, "yeah, a lot of people will go and watch Transformers 2, but that doesn't mean they'll enjoy watching it." He went on to elaborate that many people would go to see the movie for the "experience" of seeing it in the cinema environment. I think he probably has a point...but only if we see dramatic drop-offs in the takings for the next few weeks. If the movie has legs, then we know word-of-mouth for the public is good, or people are going to see it again after their first viewing.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers2.htm
not bad in just six days
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
seriously with #9 there.
I think that was the point where it went from just ridiculous movie to what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you movie, for me at least.
Quote from: Darth Geek on June 30, 2009, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: a pretty girl is like on June 30, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 30, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
For fun on dull days, I look through the snapping thread and remember snaps past. It's fer fun!
This on the other hand is just every thread ever.
No, it's not. You're so fucking wrong it's not even funny how fucking wrong you are. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for Hitler.
That's just the kind of thing Hitler would say.
-dale
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
10 plots holes, which means they discussed roughly 4% of the plot holes in the movie.
Quote from: Crow T. Robot 666 on June 30, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
10 plots holes, which means they discussed roughly 4% of the plot holes in the movie.
Feel free to add to that list if you'd like.
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 03:49:57 AM
Quote from: Crow T. Robot 666 on June 30, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
10 plots holes, which means they discussed roughly 4% of the plot holes in the movie.
Feel free to add to that list if you'd like.
Why does Bumblebee keep disappearing only to reappear when Sam is about to die?
Why does Sam get mad and yell at Bumblebee after Bumblebee gets done saving him from all the tiny robot appliances? You called him, you douche.
Why just the small appliances? Why not the fridge? Or the stove?
Why didn't the helicopter carrying Prime wait two more seconds to land him gently to the ground but instead unceremoniously and disrespectfully dump him like a turd?
Why did John Turturro have to climb the pyramid? He didn't do anything but get about a third of the way up. He could have called in the airstrike from the ground.
The Autobots are cars. Sam was with three Autobots at the end of the movie. Why did the Autobots make Sam and Mikaela walk to the soldiers? You don't need all three Autobots to act as decoy. Two will suffice. Fucking get in your car, you get to the soldiers in two minutes.
Why does the guy who runs a website act surprised when Sam tells him the government get track cell phones? Track cell phones? How?! That's like 1995 technology for fucks sake.
How does Mikaela get that metal container with a metal robot making all sorts of noise through the x-ray machines at the airport?
Why are there mountains and desert in New Jersey?
Why are the humans surprised that Jetfire is a Decepticon? They were looking for a Decepticon.
I'm pretty sure the Minstrel twins weren't part of the huddle when Jetfire grabs the humans to teleport them. How did they end up being teleported as well?
Why would the robot girl be enrolled in Sam's college in the first place? Sam didn't even know he had the piece of the cube until he was about to leave for school.
This will extend to the first movie as well, but I just want to know why the Allspark and its shard turn all electronic devices into evil, murderous sentient creatures? I know about the whole choice thing but why does Earth technology choose to be evil all the time?
Cause Earth tech is supposedly backwards engineered from Megatron.
Edit: I could go into full geek mode here and probably answer/explain some of the plot holes, but I'm too into the whole "it's just a show and we should really just relax" philosophy. ;)
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:36:44 AM
Cause Earth tech is supposedly backwards engineered from Megatron.
And that justifies a human going to Robot Heaven how? ???
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:36:44 AM
Cause Earth tech is supposedly backwards engineered from Megatron.
And that justifies a human going to Robot Heaven how? ???
I'm not sure how those two things are related. I interpreted what happened to Sam as being something to do with the Matrix, not the Allspark.
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:36:44 AM
Cause Earth tech is supposedly backwards engineered from Megatron.
And that justifies a human going to Robot Heaven how? ???
I'm not sure how those two things are related. I interpreted what happened to Sam as being something to do with the Matrix, not the Allspark.
I chalked it up to sloppy writing.
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:36:44 AM
Cause Earth tech is supposedly backwards engineered from Megatron.
And that justifies a human going to Robot Heaven how? ???
I'm not sure how those two things are related. I interpreted what happened to Sam as being something to do with the Matrix, not the Allspark.
I chalked it up to sloppy writing.
Probably. TFs has never had anything else since day one.
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:57:29 AM
Probably. TFs has never had anything else since day one.
Meh. The G1 cartoon had better storytelling than most 80's Saturday morning cartoons.
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 07:57:29 AM
Probably. TFs has never had anything else since day one.
Meh. The G1 cartoon had better storytelling than most 80's Saturday morning cartoons.
No argument on that, but that doesn't mean there weren't countless plot holes the size of Nebraska throughout the series. We overlook them because the characters and stories are interesting and engaging. Likewise for the movies. If the characters and story did it for the viewer, then it's easy to ignore the plot holes.
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
"But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus...." Sam has to bring Optimus back to life? Reminds me of spoilers I saw that said that Optimus dies in the first movie. But I just saw it and Optimus is still alive at the end....
WTF?
I think a guest Riffer would be good for this one... I'm thinking Weird Al [He did a song for the animated movie as well as a voice for Transformers Animated] or maybe a TF Junkie to do a Chad Vader of sorts... Continuity Prime anyone?
That aside, I hope to get the Riff of this in time for a Christmas viewing.
The movie is barely out of theaters and I can't wait to see this with a Riff Trax commentary.
Nice. I just got an explination from one of my friends explaining at least one part of the plot that had been driving me nuts (news to me, probably not news to some):
The Decepti-girl that tries to seduce Sam is a 'Con who scanned an Alice In Wonderland animatronic. It's told via the pre-movie comics. Would have been nice if Bay had found a way to explain it also in the movie for those of us who didn't read the comic, though. :P
Still wondering why the All spark seems to create only murderous, aggressive robots out of Earth technology.
Because they're being born into a Micheal Bay adaptation of an 80's cartoon?
Quote from: Midna on July 01, 2009, 09:54:08 AM
Still wondering why the All spark seems to create only murderous, aggressive robots out of Earth technology.
As previously mentioned, my theory is that they're defaulting to Decepticons because their original forms (phones, X-boxes, etc) are reverse engineered from Megatron in the movie universe. Upon being brought to life/sentience, they would have his basic programming and instincts with none of his judgment or control. My other theory is that they're initially reactive and chaotic as newborn mechanical beings, and have to learn to control themselves and "mature".
Quote from: Junkyard on July 01, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Because they're being born into a Micheal Bay adaptation of an 80's cartoon?
I like your explanation better.
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 09:00:19 AM
The Decepti-girl that tries to seduce Sam is a 'Con who scanned an Alice In Wonderland animatronic. It's told via the pre-movie comics. Would have been nice if Bay had found a way to explain it also in the movie for those of us who didn't read the comic, though. :P
Now you know some of what I felt about the Star Trek reboot. Supposedly making the thing for a "wider audience" but the audience doesn't know the whole story unless they've been reading comic books for months prior?
If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 01, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrant on July 01, 2009, 09:00:19 AM
The Decepti-girl that tries to seduce Sam is a 'Con who scanned an Alice In Wonderland animatronic. It's told via the pre-movie comics. Would have been nice if Bay had found a way to explain it also in the movie for those of us who didn't read the comic, though. :P
Now you know some of what I felt about the Star Trek reboot. Supposedly making the thing for a "wider audience" but the audience doesn't know the whole story unless they've been reading comic books for months prior?
If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.
Amen. It's not that hard to assume the audience hasn't been reading all the printed material or surfing the Internet for spoilers before the movie comes out. It's lazy film making to avoid the 10-20 seconds of screen time that might explain stuff the director, for being invested in the project, should have read up on him/herself and thus would know what made it into the screenplay and what didn't and what might be too important or trivial enough to leave out.
I forgive a lot of the plot and logic holes in this movie overall, but even I have to admit that this was a sloppy move on his part. I and others were thinking up until recently that this was Bay's take on a Pretender, which is fairly significant.
....hahahahahahahahaha.
Hey Edgar, what's your take on it?
Spoiler
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Quote from: spaceforarent on June 30, 2009, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: Midna on June 30, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.
Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
seriously with #9 there.
I think that was the point where it went from just ridiculous movie to what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you movie, for me at least.
I thought my popcorn was laced w/ ecstasy when #9 arrived on screen. Oh man, it's so great!
My apologies if this link has been shared, but it sums everything up in a FAQ.
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php
Normally I would put spoilers up, but this is hundreds of posts in, so it's a pretty safe bet nobody who's gotten this far should be upset at spoilers.
QuoteAre there honestly 46 new Transformers in the movie?
I have no fucking clue. It's impossible to tell most of them apart except for Optimus and the Racist Twins (there's another yellow Autobot who I constantly thought was Bumblebee). There could be 46, or there could be 12. I honestly would believe 12 if someone had said that.
What is the status of the Transformers at the beginning of the film?
The Autobots have joined the military to hunt down the Decepticons. We're told the Decepticons are "doing things," but they appear to be hiding peacefully when the Autobots show up and brutally murder them.
What?
Yeah. The Decepticons aren't apparently doing anything, then the Autobots show up, the Decepticons run for their goddamn lives, and the Autobots hunt them down and brutally murder them. It's kind of weird.
Why is the U.S. military helping them?
Supposedly to help keep the Transformers a secret from the public. Although since the climax of the last film was a massive firefight involving 50-foot robots and took place over five miles of downtown Los Angeles and the beginning of this film wrecks several miles of Shanghai, China, they seem to be incredibly shitty at their job.
How does the U.S. military help them?
Well, not at all, actually. They just kind of come along with guns and stuff, and act like they're going to help, but the Autobots do all the work.
Why is the U.S. military in this movie at all, then?
Because Michael Bay has a huge erection for jets and tanks and aircraft carriers and considers giant robots only a necessary evil for the film. At least 15 full minutes of the film's 150-minute run time is nothing but footage of jets and tanks and planes without any robots or actual action whatsoever.
How is Sam Witwicky dragged back into the fight?
Well, he finds a fragment of the Allspark shard. You know, the Allspark that he spent all last movie being told he shouldn't give to Megatron, but when he gave it to Megatron, it killed Megatron. That one. Anyways, the shard makes the Beef see symbols and act like more of an spaz than usual.
So the Decepticons want the shard? Why?
Uh... to bring Megatron back to life?
What?
That's what they said.
But the Allspark killed Megatron in the first movie.
Yes.
...and now it can also bring him back to life.
It's very powerful, this Allspark.
Uh-huh. So what's their plan to get it?
They send a small R/C car who talks like Joe Pesci in Casino to get it.
Shouldn't they have sent Starscream or somebody?
Look, there's another Allspark shard and get that one anyways, so it doesn't matter.
Well, then why do they give a shit about Sam?
The symbols. In his head. That the shard of the Allspark gave him.
They weren't in the other shard?
Apparently not.
So how do the Decepticons plan to get the symbols, I guess?
Well, the Decepticons have very cunningly created a hot chick robot who they enrolled in the same college and put in the same astronomy class as Sam. And they made her a huge slut.
Wait.
Waiting.
There's a slutty Decepticon?
Yeah, she's a real ho. The Decepticons apparently have an incredibly powerful slut-making program, because she has it down, man. Anyways--
Didn't Sam touch the shard and get the symbols stuck in his head on his first day of college?
Yes.
So the Decepticons made a slutty robot to attend his college and enrolled her in classes and put her in on-campus housing just in case Sam ended up being important at some point in the future?
Apparently. It was an elaborate plan, but it sure paid off.
How so?
Well, not at all. The slut-bot made out with him for a little bit then immediately tried to kill him, neither for any apparent motive or gain.
It sounds preposterous.
Doesn't matter, because the Decepticons use the shard piece they do have to resurrect Megatron! He's back! Ooo! Scary!
Why is this scary? All he wanted was the Allspark, and now it's gone.
...because he has a boss! He's called the Fallen, because he's so evil! He has an evil plan to use a machine on Earth to blow up the sun and make energon! Or something! It's not very clear.
Now you're just making shit up as you go along, aren't you?
Best not to think too much about it. Anyways, the symbols in the Beef's head are a map to where this machine exists, so the hunt is on and Sam shortly is captured by other, less slutty Decepticons in one of the many instances where Bumblebee inexplicably abandons the Beef so he can conveniently be in trouble.
Then a robot called the Doctor who speaks gibberish with a German accent shoves things up Shia's nose and gets the symbols.
That's that, then, right? The Decepticons win?
No! Because Optimus Prime saves Sam before they cut off his head, which has another treasure inside!
Really? What is that?
No one really bothers to explain this, actually. Suffice to say, the Decepticons continue to want Sam. Oh, then Optimus Prime fights three Decepticons at once and dies.
Where the hell were the other Autobots during this fight?
I don't know. They were with him before the fight, but then they disappear and show up right after he dies. But they appear sad about Optimus dying. Marginally. I mean, they don't get any screen time or dialogue to convey any feelings or anything, but there's some sad music playing for a little bit afterwards. I assume this means the robots that are off-screen are grieving.
Well, if one shard brought Megatron back to life, can't Sam just use his shard piece to resurrect Optimus?
Yes. He could.
...
...
Well?
He doesn't.
Why not?
I'm not sure exactly.
Then what the hell does he do?
He decides get those symbols that were in his head translated to figure out what the Fallen's up to.
Which Autobot does the translating?
Err... none of them. Actually, it's John Turturro.
What. The fuck.
Yeah, since he was laid off from his super-secret government agent job, he now works in a NY deli and runs a super-popular Transformers conspiracy theory website. Like ya do.
And why couldn't an Autobot translate these symbols?
Because Bumblebee is mute and the Racist Twins are poor black robots from the slums of Cybertron who never learned how to read. It's a sad commentary on Cybertronian society. Like The Wire, actually.
Where the hell are the other Autobots?
I don't know. Away. They seem to be unable to be reached. They're probably grieving about Optimnus still. Clearly, John Turturro is the reasonable solution here.
So Turturro translates the symbols.
No, that would be silly. He does, in an incredibly bizarre series of connect-the-dots, lead them to Jetfire, an elderly and deceased Transformers whose corpse is hanging out in the Air & Space Museum.
What good is he dead?!
Ah! Remember the shard? Sam uses it to bring Jetfire back to life!
Not Optimus?
No! This way, Sam can get the symbols translated... so he can, er... find the ancient machine... that can, uh... possibly bring Optimus back to life.
You have to fucking be kidding me.
Moving on! Jetfire teleports everyone to Egypt, including some of the missing Autobots --
Wait, what? Teleports?
Yes, teleports.
Transformers don't teleport.
Jetfire does.
But -- wait a second, he's a fucking jet. He could fly everybody to Egypt, right? And that would make perfect sense for both the character and the franchise!
Well, I guess so. But he chooses not to. The point is Jetfire teleports them all to Egypt where he explains that there used to be 7 or 8 Primes, and they traveled around the galaxy blowing up suns for energon. But they never did it on planets with life.
Well, they had set the machine up on Earth and not noticed all the life running around, and one of the Primes just said fuck it, let's do it anyways. This was evil, so they called that Prime the Fallen and beat the shit out of him although he escaped.
Okay...
So that other mysterious reason that the Decepticons wanted Sam's brain? It's because it contains some very vague clues about the Matrix of Leacdership, which is the device that turns on the sun-exploding machine. The Fallen needs the Matrix to blow up the sun and get his Energon.
Hold on. That's what the Matrix of Leadership does in the movie?
Yes. Works the sun-exploding machine.
I'm fuzzy on how "Leadership" covers that.
I didn't name it. But it does sound a little nicer than "Matrix of Blowing Up the Goddamn Sun."
If I may continue, in order to protect the Earth, the 6-7 other Prime hid the Matrix on Earth and made a tomb with their own bodies. Isn't that cool?
...
...
No. No it is not. If they wanted to protect Earth, why did they leave the Matrix on the planet? They're a space-faring race, they could have hid it anywhere in galaxy! Second of all, what the fuck does making a tomb of their own bodies do? Shouldn't they have stayed alive to protect the Matrix? Or finish off the Fallen? Or just not die and leave Earth and the entire Transformer race in jeopardy?
Uh...
And why hide the Matrix at all? Don't they need Energon to survive? Didn't they say they go to other lifeless planets? These idiot Primes just doomed their whole species for no fucking reason whatsoever! No wonder the Decepticons are so pissed.
...ahem. Eventually, Sam and crew find the Matrix, which instantly crumbles into dust. Sam puts the dust in a sock because he thinks it will bring Optimus back to life.
Grr.
What follows is the most spectacular part of the movie, as Sam and Mikaela try to run the several miles back to the military camp during a massive Decepticon attack where the military has dropped Optimus Prime's corpse.
Why is that awesome? They could drive back in one of the Autobots and be there in a minute or two.
They don't do that.
What?
They walk.
Of course they do. And I assume the Autobots just mysteriously disappear again until a second before a Decepticon is about to kill Sam.
Yes. Exactly.
I am already incredibly sick of this movie, and I'm just typing questions about it. Sam resurrects Optimus, Optimus kills the Fallen, end of story, right?
Pretty close. Sam dies, though.
Really?
Yeah, for a little while. But then the Transformers in heaven send him back because he still has work to do.
Fuck you.
I'm serious.
Fuck you. There's no way.
It's true. The 6-7 Primes are there in the clouds like Mufasa's head in The Lion King, and tell Sam he's awesome and he needs to live again so he can bring Optimus back to life.
I may be ill.
Then Jetfire appears out of nowhere and rips out his own heart right in front of Optimus to give him his elderly old robot powers. This makes Optimus into a flying badass who defeats the Megatron and Starscream and the Fallen in a little less than two minutes. After the last 30 minutes of the movie have been nothing but explosions -- not all of which have any obvious causes -- it's a bit disappointing.
Anything else you want to add?
Well, only that although Sam jams the Matrix of Leadership into Optimus Prime's chest to resurrect him, a Decepticon takes it out like 10 seconds later and Optimus is fine. Just a little weird, is all.
Can you give me any reason I would want to see this film in theaters?
I can't answer every question, man.
BONUS ROUND!
So it's not as bad as shitting your pants?
Marginally. I honestly had to make a pro and con list to figure it out.
Why on earth would anyone make a film about giant robots but have myriad scenes of some random douchebag's first day of college?
I don't have the faintest clue.
Could there have been more trite, less inspired song for Bumblebee to play when Sam says he's going to college than The Pointer Sisters' "I'm So Excited"?
No. No there couldn't.
Why can't Bumblebee talk, but the other Autobots can?
Because Bumblebee is retarded, but in a Sling Blade kind of a way. This explains how he kills the living fuck out of a Decepticon later.
Why does Sam's mom buy and consume a pot brownie?
Well, Sam's mom was in a coma for the last 30+ years, which explains how she had never heard of marijuana, and why she didn't understand the consequences of eating it even after her husband specifically told her it was a pot brownie (Sam was unfortunately conceived and born during this period). A better question is why any college student in America would be selling pot brownies at an on-campus bake sale, let alone to a middle-aged woman.
A lot was made of how Shia the Beef's hand injury was written into the film. How was this done?
Well, sometimes Shia had a huge bandage on his hand, and sometimes he didn't.
That doesn't sound "written in" at all.
Well, no actual words are used to explain it. It might be more accurate to say it "shows up sometimes."
Why would a robot need to fart, pee, or vomit? And why would it need testicles?
Michael Bay does not understand what a robot is.
What is the point of the character of Sam's college roommate, and why the fuck does he stay for the entirety of the movie?
I have no clue. He's not comedy relief, because that's covered by 90% of the Transformers themselves. He technically leads the Beef to John Turturro, but surely there could have been another way to do that. Besides, Turturro just leads them to Jetfire anyways. It's all extraneous.
Why can only a Prime kill the Fallen? Why can Jetfire teleport? Why can the Fallen wave a staff and make shit fly around? Why do actual cars and Autobots get sucked into Devastator's maw, but John Turturro and that other kid can run around?
Because... because FUCK YOU, that's why.
Can you explain Megan Fox's appeal?
Yes. She looks like a porn star and has the same acting talent as one, yet for some reason she makes mainstream movies. This tonal disconnect is what's so appealing about her.
If you had to pick a single scene that exemplifies Michael Bay's utter disdain for story and continuity, what would it be?
When five Decepticons sink to the bottom of the ocean to retrieve Megatron's corpse. A submarine tracks five "subjects" going down, and when they get there, one of the Decepticons is killed to give parts to Megatron. 5 -1 +1 = 5, right? No, because the sub somehow tracks "six" subjects coming up. Not only is this very basic math, this is the simplest of script errors. It could not possibly have been more than one page apart in the script. And yet Michael Bay either didn't care to notice or didn't give a fuck. "Math? Math is for pussies. My movies are about shit blowing up, man."
Could you sum up the film in one line of its dialogue?
"I am standing directly beneath the enemy's scrotum."
Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.
Quote from: Imrahil on July 02, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
Wow. I didn't see the movie, so I have no idea how accurate that is, but...wow. :)
This part:
QuoteWhy would a robot need to fart, pee, or vomit? And why would it need testicles?
Michael Bay does not understand what a robot is.
Mad me laugh aloud here. I'm still giggling a bit.
Me too. I'm not sure what it is, but something in that matter of fact statement struck me as especially funny. I think it's because it manages to be a true and logical explination for something so deeply absurd.
Quote from: Midna on July 02, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.
True, but Skywarp could only go a few miles at a time. Jetfire went to the other side of the world.
I do seem to recall Jetfire using the term "Space Bridge", but like making "The Matrix Of Leadership" something that fires an intergalactic weapon, it was probably just an attempt to make a flimsy link to the original.
Of course, why a dusty old codger would have a cool name like Jetfire and change into a sleek 20th century jet is something I don't think I'll ever figure out. basically they took one of the most awesome ideas ever (an SR-71 Transformer) and gave it Kup's personality.
Hey, something i missed- did they explain in the film why Bumblebee can't talk again?
Quote from: Junkyard on July 02, 2009, 04:54:57 PM
Hey, something i missed- did they explain in the film why Bumblebee can't talk again?
Nope. They pretty much had Megan Fox ask hey is he not talking again and Shia says uh uh he's not talking again.
So either Ratchet is the worst robot doctor in the universe or Bumblebee got his robot brain damaged somewhere along the line.
Also, all this talk about the Sluticon character has made me curious- when she reveals herself to be a decepticon, is it just like a hologram turning off, liquid metal, or is it like normal transformers where the outside chassis shifts and relocates? If there's a scene in this movie where Sam has to fight a decepticon with shoulders made up of two halfs of a human head and feet hanging off of it's kneecaps, I guess I will shell out the 7 bucks to see the damn movie.
From all this, I think I'm waiting for this to come out for rental from Redbox. I can't see paying more than a buck to watch all the drivel that's been discussed here.
What hath become of Mt.Dewatron? Me wonderiths?
Quote from: Imrahil on July 02, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
Wow. I didn't see the movie, so I have no idea how accurate that is, but...wow. :)
Pretty accurate.
Quote from: Zandrax on July 02, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: Midna on July 02, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.
True, but Skywarp could only go a few miles at a time. Jetfire went to the other side of the world.
I guess in a movie so rife with errors by the end of it you just stop asking questions or your brain will start overloading.
We saw TF2 again yesterday. I actually liked it better the second time around. Things which were confusing the first time made more sense the second time. Like what happened to the Allspark shard Sam found and what not (used to reactivate Jetfire, hence it not being around thereafter to bring back Prime, assuming it could). It was still big and stupid, but it was still fun. And still a full auditorium with happy people leaving after wards.
Some stuff definitely could have been cut. Specifically the stuff when Sam first goes to college and the scenes with the parents. And some of the "comedic relief" was just horrible. It was somewhat enjoyable but I cant see sitting through it again for a while. It was just too long.
...and some stuff could've been added, like a battle in NYC. ;)
If they stopped that slow motion crap, the movie would have been half as long.
Michael Bay translated to German comes out Uwe Boll.
Quote from: Crow T. Robot 666 on July 04, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Michael Bay translated to German comes out Uwe Boll.
No, people actually like Michael Bay movies.
Saw the first one with Rifftrax... and that's the ONLY way that I'm gonna watch this one!
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
Saw the first one with Rifftrax... and that's the ONLY way that I'm gonna watch this one!
Same here. I don't know if I could watch this movie without a running commentary. At least Mike and whoever he gets to be his sidekicks could make it funny unlike the alleged "comedy" in this movie.
Got a tough question for you guys. What character(s) offend you more: Skids and Mudflap in Transformers 2 or Ziro the Hutt from Clone Wars?
Note that I edited my post -- I withdrew my insult directed at the people that paid money to see this... I realize that there's countless reasons why people went to see it (i.e. my girlfriend forced me), so I can't fault you.
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
Saw the first one with Rifftrax... and that's the ONLY way that I'm gonna watch this one!
So now that we know michael bay is fixated with male genitalia and bathroom jokes... anyone wondering what he'll do in the third one? I think we should all be very afraid. Somebody needs to stop this man!
Quote from: Piobman on July 05, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
Saw the first one with Rifftrax... and that's the ONLY way that I'm gonna watch this one!
So now that we know michael bay is fixated with male genitalia and bathroom jokes... anyone wondering what he'll do in the third one? I think we should all be very afraid. Somebody needs to stop this man!
What bothers me the most is that, from the interviews that I've seen and articles that I've read, Michael Bay is a really smart guy and hopefully he'll do something special someday... I'll continue to keep hope alive.
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: Piobman on July 05, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
Saw the first one with Rifftrax... and that's the ONLY way that I'm gonna watch this one!
So now that we know michael bay is fixated with male genitalia and bathroom jokes... anyone wondering what he'll do in the third one? I think we should all be very afraid. Somebody needs to stop this man!
What bothers me the most is that, from the interviews that I've seen and articles that I've read, Michael Bay is a really smart guy and hopefully he'll do something special someday... I'll continue to keep hope alive.
Why should he? These are makng money and they suck. People are going back to see it more than once. Only thing that makes me have hope was a report that the Sunday numbers last weekend took a big dip (word got out, maybe?).
I kept hoping that after Brian DePalma got rich ripping off Hichcock and making gore films he'd go back to doing the quirky and clever stuff he used to do like
Sisters, Get To Know Your Rabbit or
Phantom of the Paradise. But it was not to be.
I know he's doing a remake of
PotP - I'm not hopeful.
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
What bothers me the most is that, from the interviews that I've seen and articles that I've read, Michael Bay is a really smart guy and hopefully he'll do something special someday... I'll continue to keep hope alive.
I'm just trying to figure out if Michael Bay has such a degree of intelligence, why does he continue to make dumb movies? Is this because he knows that people will see some of his movies because of people telling their friends or critics saying how ludicrous it is? If this is the case, he's a modern day P.T. Barnum who knows that absurdity is like the honey that attracts flies. I guess the promise of a cheesy movie is too much for some people to ignore, right?
You know, this is just pure fantasy I know, but I'd actually love to see Bay direct a movie with Oscar caliber written all over it, even if he uses a false name for the directing credits initially. Wouldn't it be the biggest shock for everyone to find out that the biggest Oscar winning movie was directed by Michael Bay after the fact?
Quote from: Midna on July 06, 2009, 04:15:14 AM
Quote from: CSAllen on July 05, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
What bothers me the most is that, from the interviews that I've seen and articles that I've read, Michael Bay is a really smart guy and hopefully he'll do something special someday... I'll continue to keep hope alive.
I'm just trying to figure out if Michael Bay has such a degree of intelligence, why does he continue to make dumb movies? Is this because he knows that people will see some of his movies because of people telling their friends or critics saying how ludicrous it is? If this is the case, he's a modern day P.T. Barnum who knows that absurdity is like the honey that attracts flies. I guess the promise of a cheesy movie is too much for some people to ignore, right?
Some people may have said this about Roger Corman at one point.
Certainly had an eye for hiring talent (Coppola, Scorsese, Bogdonovich, Jonathan Demme, John Sayles Jack Nicholson, Robert Vaughn, James Cameron, Gale Anne Hurd, Ron Howard (to direct), James Horner, Joe Dante, to name a few) but....
Only film he ever made that lost money was the one time he went for serious content (
The Intruder).
Found this online (http://www.anecdotage.com/browse.php?category=people&who=Corman): "Corman once offered a word of advice to would-be directors: 'In science-fiction films the monster should always be bigger than the leading lady.'")
Well, like I said, Bay would have to disguise the fact he's directing a serious, Oscar worthy film. I know considering his clout that would be pretty hard though, unless he had people signing Non-disclosure contracts and he moved the production to a foreign country who just wouldn't care he was directing anything. But my scenario is that the movie is widely embraced by critics and movie goers alike, wins a ton of Oscars not in a technical arena but in the main categories, mind you all the time nobody having a clue Bay directed it, and it being revealed after all the accolades and awards that Bay was in fact the director. Wouldn't it be a giddily entertaining shock to all that such a well executed movie was helmed by a director everyone considers a hack?
Quote from: Midna on July 06, 2009, 08:55:27 AM
Wouldn't it be a giddily entertaining shock to all that such a well executed movie was helmed by a director everyone considers a hack?
At the risk of sounding like a broken record....try watching this (NSFW because of the racial slurs). Someone actually found a way to post it in one piece...
Thanks a lot for the link. I'll have to watch it when i get some Free Time though. I'm reading the IMDB page for it and it sounds like one hell of a movie.
Bay now has the "Keys to the Kingdom" -- my question is "what's he gonna do with 'em?". His next non-transformers-related movie should be revealing...
Quote from: CSAllen on July 06, 2009, 04:13:31 PM
Bay now has the "Keys to the Kingdom" -- my question is "what's he gonna do with 'em?". His next non-transformers-related movie should be revealing...
You're making me think Bay's next film is going to be a mainstream softcore porno.
Quote from: CSAllen on July 06, 2009, 04:13:31 PM
Bay now has the "Keys to the Kingdom" -- my question is "what's he gonna do with 'em?". His next non-transformers-related movie should be revealing...
Bay's last six os so movies have had northe of 100 million dollar budgets and all made major profits. His production company has made several movies, many of them crappy remakes, that have made money. He's had the "keys to the kingdom" for a while now.
Quote from: Darth Geek on July 07, 2009, 06:04:48 AM
Quote from: CSAllen on July 06, 2009, 04:13:31 PM
Bay now has the "Keys to the Kingdom" -- my question is "what's he gonna do with 'em?". His next non-transformers-related movie should be revealing...
Bay's last six os so movies have had northe of 100 million dollar budgets and all made major profits. His production company has made several movies, many of them crappy remakes, that have made money. He's had the "keys to the kingdom" for a while now.
So who put people with shitty taste in charge of handing out the "keys to the kingdom"?
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on July 07, 2009, 06:22:19 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on July 07, 2009, 06:04:48 AM
Quote from: CSAllen on July 06, 2009, 04:13:31 PM
Bay now has the "Keys to the Kingdom" -- my question is "what's he gonna do with 'em?". His next non-transformers-related movie should be revealing...
Bay's last six os so movies have had northe of 100 million dollar budgets and all made major profits. His production company has made several movies, many of them crappy remakes, that have made money. He's had the "keys to the kingdom" for a while now.
So who put people with shitty taste in charge of handing out the "keys to the kingdom"?
Come on PSCD, you should now by now that movie studios consider profit above all. Artistic merit or integrity be damned.
I don't know....it seems to me like Michael Bay is intentionally making his movies aimed at a certain demographic, like people with a less discerning amount of taste (Such as the teen market.) because he knows he can get their money rather easily. Is he a shrewd businessman or a poor director? I tend to think of Bay as a pariah.
it wasnt 1 demographic that made Transformers 2 the first movie of the year to gross 300 million domesticly, or made it the second fastest movie to 200 mil. A lot of people liked the movie. It had higher exit reviews from audiences than Star Trek did.
yup. T2-NEW.... popcorn, action
Quote from: Sideswipe on July 11, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
It had higher exit reviews from audiences than Star Trek did.
That's not saying much in some people's opinion.
Quote from: Sideswipe on July 11, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
it wasnt 1 demographic that made Transformers 2 the first movie of the year to gross 300 million domesticly, or made it the second fastest movie to 200 mil. A lot of people liked the movie. It had higher exit reviews from audiences than Star Trek did.
That's funny considering that Star Trek got my butt in a theater. I'm notorious for not going to a movie just to see a movie.
Am watching transformers this movie is killing me, talking too rfast to understand, poor kid screaming
Quote from: Sideswipe on July 11, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
it wasnt 1 demographic that made Transformers 2 the first movie of the year to gross 300 million domesticly, or made it the second fastest movie to 200 mil. A lot of people liked the movie. It had higher exit reviews from audiences than Star Trek did.
Guess what other film had great (80%) exit polls?
The Phantom Menace. :)
Quote from: mrbasehart on July 17, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Sideswipe on July 11, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
it wasnt 1 demographic that made Transformers 2 the first movie of the year to gross 300 million domesticly, or made it the second fastest movie to 200 mil. A lot of people liked the movie. It had higher exit reviews from audiences than Star Trek did.
Guess what other film had great (80%) exit polls?
The Phantom Menace. :)
Just a hunch....I'll bet the exit polls for the
Jackass movies were pretty high too. That doesn't mean that there was a "cross section of the public"....
Finished watching now. It wasn't a movie, there are parts in the front that are like a movie. I couldn't really connect with the trsnsformers vibe after the flag draped coffins showed up. The megan fox robot truck thing was sort of kinky. Towards the end, there were a lot army ads. Lebouf reallt worked hard on screaming BUmblebee!!! With conviction. All the actors seemed to have taken an acting course from the micromachines guy. Can't say if it was good or bad. Not a movie. It just was not a movie
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/502975 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/502975)
Quote from: Moleman on July 19, 2009, 08:09:14 PM
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/502975 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/502975)
Kirbopher has done it again. ;D