I learned that you don't have to follow the chain of command to get your designated places aboard this early Enterprise ::)
I learned JJ Abrams learned from other successful series. The enemy ship is a cross between the Jupiter Mining Corporation ship Red Dwarf and the evil Shadow ships from Babylon 5. Brilliant!
I learned that sometimes a black hole will spit you safely into another time and place, and sometimes it'll shred you and your ship into tiny pieces.
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on November 20, 2009, 09:54:18 AM
I learned that sometimes a black hole will spit you safely into another time and place, and sometimes it'll shred you and your ship into tiny pieces.
Yeah, I guess we need further 'studies' on this issue :P
I learned that in the 23rd century people hang out in bars getting drunk to 300-year-old music.
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on November 20, 2009, 09:54:18 AM
I learned that sometimes a black hole will spit you safely into another time and place, and sometimes it'll shred you and your ship into tiny pieces.
Yeah that drove me nuts. Sorry to sound like a stickler for reality in science-fiction, but applying magical properties to black holes still strikes me as stupid. If they'd given some sort of reason, no matter how bizarre (Nero's Phlebotinum reactors overloaded in proximity to the supernova and the singularity), why those ships went back in time after getting sucked through a black hole, I'd be less bothered.
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: RobtheBarbärian on November 20, 2009, 09:54:18 AM
I learned that sometimes a black hole will spit you safely into another time and place, and sometimes it'll shred you and your ship into tiny pieces.
Yeah, I guess we need further 'studies' on this issue :P
I've only seen this movie in the theaters so my memory might be sketchy, but I think the Narada was being fired upon by the Enterprise with everything she had while being consumed by the Black Hole the Red Matter that was still onboard the Romulan vessel had created. Pay attention kiddies!!!
I also learned that students who were just on academic suspension and hold a low rank will be just handed the keys to the flagship.
Cheaters always prosper
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Cause these so called new 'directors' keep going BASS-ACKWARDS with the franchise!! :angry:
There's just ssooo much that could take the franchise FORWARD Into The Future! :grr:
I learned that a single star going supernova is big enough to threaten the entire galaxy.
Just so you know, supernovas have happened in our galaxy, several times. One of them was observed in October 1987, and was measured by astronomers as approximately 600 astronomical units (meaning 600 times the average radius of Earth's orbit around the sun).
The Milky Way Galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years in diameter.
1 light year = 63,239.6717 Astronomical Units or AU
So the Milky way is about 6,323,967,170 AU. So somehow a supernova threatens something around 10,539,945 its size.
Okay, so I understand why they wanted it that big from a story standpoint. After Romulus is destroyed, Spock still needs to destroy the supernova to advance the plot, but if there are no lives at stake there'd be no point. But still, a simple tweak of the dialog could have fixed this. "With the few surviving Romulans evacuated, their ships were still being overtaken by the expanding star. I had to act quickly." There. You don't have to put the whole galaxy at risk, Spock would have acted in order to save one ship.
JJ Abrams' reaction to the idea of scale:
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Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Cause these so called new 'directors' keep going BASS-ACKWARDS with the franchise!! :angry:
There's just ssooo much that could take the franchise FORWARD Into The Future! :grr:
The 2200s are not the future?
Also I thought it was one star making a bunch of others go supernova in a chain reaction. Also it's not like it is any sillier then anything else that has happened in the past of Star trek. For one thing there is no way to travel faster then like and as far as we know there is no such race as Vulcans.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Cause these so called new 'directors' keep going BASS-ACKWARDS with the franchise!! :angry:
There's just ssooo much that could take the franchise FORWARD Into The Future! :grr:
The 2200s are not the future?
::) I'm talkin bout a 1960's franchise evolving into a 1980's-90's franchise, then 'de-evolving' into a short lived 'Enterprise' series, and de-evolving Further into this movie >:(
face it berman killed the idea of going further into the future. if they had announced another spin most people would have said 'Great like we need another crappy Star trek spin off" But you do this and people say "Wow kirk and Spock are back I am going to give this a shot." Sorry i would love to see a post Dominain war series as much as the next fan but from what i can tell talking to people fans like us are the only one who wanted to see that.
If they said that one supernova was going to cause a chain reaction of other supernovas, that would be one thing, but they didn't. I listened for just that. I remember Spock saying that A star exploded and talking about the single supernova. Didn't ruin the movie for me, but it was something that bugged me.
I learned that futuristic starships have concrete walls and ceiling with exposed industrial girders as well as they stash language labs next to large tanks with valves on them. Also, they have huge complex un-staffed areas for water turbines with clear pipes and no security in their control computers.
Ok about the Supernova but i am not sure why people keep going on about the tanks and water. it seems to me something as powerful as a warp drive would take a lot of water or something like water to keep it cool.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
Ok about the Supernova but i am not sure why people keep going on about the tanks and water. it seems to me something as powerful as a warp drive would take a lot of water or something like water to keep it cool.
The water isn't for cooling the warp drive. It's for cooling Pavel's gaming PC.
Quote from: D.B. Barnes on November 20, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
Ok about the Supernova but i am not sure why people keep going on about the tanks and water. it seems to me something as powerful as a warp drive would take a lot of water or something like water to keep it cool.
The water isn't for cooling the warp drive. It's for cooling Pavel's gaming PC.
I think the water pipes and turbine served the same purpose as those piston things in Galaxy Quest.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 07:51:18 PM
face it berman killed the idea of going further into the future. if they had announced another spin most people would have said 'Great like we need another crappy Star trek spin off" But you do this and people say "Wow kirk and Spock are back I am going to give this a shot." Sorry i would love to see a post Dominain war series as much as the next fan but from what i can tell talking to people fans like us are the only one who wanted to see that.
I'm not sure about that. I think that people who didn't have an attachment to Star Trek at all would have accepted any timeline and any set of characters. There's nothing special about Kirk, Spock, etc.,
But that's just a hunch. We'd need market research to be sure.
Quote from: Trekker4747 on November 20, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
I learned that futuristic starships have concrete walls and ceiling with exposed industrial girders as well as they stash language labs next to large tanks with valves on them. Also, they have huge complex un-staffed areas for water turbines with clear pipes and no security in their control computers.
Some of those sets reminded me of "Space Mutiny."
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Cause these so called new 'directors' keep going BASS-ACKWARDS with the franchise!! :angry:
There's just ssooo much that could take the franchise FORWARD Into The Future! :grr:
The 2200s are not the future?
::) I'm talkin bout a 1960's franchise evolving into a 1980's-90's franchise, then 'de-evolving' into a short lived 'Enterprise' series, and de-evolving Further into this movie >:(
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood, let the hate flow through you
that's from one of the Star Trek movies, right?
Quote from: esoobaC .T bocaJ on November 21, 2009, 06:13:51 AM
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Quote from: RVR II on November 20, 2009, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 20, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
After seeing fan reaction to this movie i learned that Star Trek fans are the angriest people on the planet. Even when the franchise becomes populare again they find a reason to get mad.
Cause these so called new 'directors' keep going BASS-ACKWARDS with the franchise!! :angry:
There's just ssooo much that could take the franchise FORWARD Into The Future! :grr:
The 2200s are not the future?
::) I'm talkin bout a 1960's franchise evolving into a 1980's-90's franchise, then 'de-evolving' into a short lived 'Enterprise' series, and de-evolving Further into this movie >:(
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood, let the hate flow through you
that's from one of the Star Trek movies, right?
Yeah.. Ya'know when that Goober fish (swimming through the ice there) snagged that Kirk character only to be saved by mutant Darth Spahk.. 8)
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 21, 2009, 05:51:29 AM
Quote from: Trekker4747 on November 20, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
I learned that futuristic starships have concrete walls and ceiling with exposed industrial girders as well as they stash language labs next to large tanks with valves on them. Also, they have huge complex un-staffed areas for water turbines with clear pipes and no security in their control computers.
Some of those sets reminded me of "Space Mutiny."
YES. I thought of that the first time I saw this in the theater. I don't think they did a riff about that, though.
I don't remember a direct comparison between the two movies, but there was at least one similar riff where they mention the Enterprise has a big basement. Can't remember the exact wording.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 21, 2009, 05:51:29 AM
Some of those sets reminded me of "Space Mutiny."
Same, in discussions I often call JJ's Enterprise "The Southern Sun."
I learned that in the future all disagreements...ALL disagreements... will be settled by everybody beating the crap out of each other.
And making Black Holes don't forget that.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 22, 2009, 08:57:56 AM
I learned that in the future all disagreements...ALL disagreements... will be settled by everybody beating the crap out of each other.
Nah...that was the original..
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Although....
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:clap: :clap: :clap: Pwned by a Hobgoblin.
I learned about thirty-five minutes in that Forklifts are alive and well in The Future! And not the floating kind one would have imagined. So a potent weapon is still available. That said anti-gravity seems to be reliable enough that transports fly over crowds of people who seem totally unconcerned that tons of machinery are floating maybe ten feet above their heads.
I learned that spokes on wheels are no longer necessary.
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 23, 2009, 01:39:50 PM
I learned that spokes on wheels are no longer necessary.
I learned that in the future, you'll find "Beastie Boys" in the classical music section(If it's anything like Futurama)
QuoteSome of those sets reminded me of "Space Mutiny."
HANDRAILS!!!!
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
I learned that the song "Spock Funk" is pretty darn catchy.
I learned that Scottie can get a uniform asap but Kirk needs to hang out in his rebellious "black" till the end.
I learned that Hollywood is now looking to my age group to cast for character's "parents".
Quote from: neeka27 on November 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
Pyramids in Akaba and now canyons in Iowa... what's next?
Well to be fair it did look like it was man made and it is 300 years in the future,maybe they found Dilitium crystals deep under Iowa.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 23, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
Well to be far it did look like it was man made and it is 300 years in the future,maybe they found Dilitium crystals deep under Iowa.
Wow...changing the timeline even did that (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dilithium)?
I think it's more likely that that's where they mined the magical stuff that's allowing them to build Constitution-class heavy cruisers on the ground in Iowa and then get them off the planet in one piece.
yeah, i'm kinda disappointed that 200 years in the future they're still building spaceships on the ground. where the hell are the space elevators i was promised? >:
:D
(btw, has he been on the cover of Star Trek Magazine
yet?)
Quote from: Imrahil on November 23, 2009, 06:43:40 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 23, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 23, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
Well to be far it did look like it was man made and it is 300 years in the future,maybe they found Dilitium crystals deep under Iowa.
Wow...changing the timeline even did that (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dilithium)?
I think it's more likely that that's where they mined the magical stuff that's allowing them to build Constitution-class heavy cruisers on the ground in Iowa and then get them off the planet in one piece.
Suspensionofdisbeliefium.
:D
Isn't that like kryptonite for a Trekkie?
I learned that Delta Vega is close enough to Vulcan for marooned Spock to watch the destruction of his homeworld. With his naked eyes.
So that's pretty close then.
-dale
I learned that an actor can play Captain James T. Kirk without having to utilize an overexaggerated impression of William Shatner.
Quote from: dalem on November 23, 2009, 08:39:50 PM
I learned that Delta Vega is close enough to Vulcan for marooned Spock to watch the destruction of his homeworld. With his naked eyes.
So that's pretty close then.
Closer than the Earth to the Moon, if the depiction is right.
And yet far enough away to not feel any effects from the singularity that consumed the planet. Ain't physics grand?
Also... I learned that it's more satisfying to maroon your hated enemy on a random planet to suffer instead of keeping them on the ship so you could enjoy and perhaps enhance their suffering firsthand.
Plus, it's VERY important that this planet seem inhospitable and yet have a Federation outpost within survivable walking distance.
Quote from: D.B. Barnes on November 23, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on November 23, 2009, 06:43:40 PM
Suspensionofdisbeliefium.
:D
Isn't that like kryptonite for a Trekkie?
If it was, TOS wouldn't have gotten past the fight with the Gorn in "Arena"
Quote from: Indomitus on November 24, 2009, 08:37:13 AM
Quote from: dalem on November 23, 2009, 08:39:50 PM
I learned that Delta Vega is close enough to Vulcan for marooned Spock to watch the destruction of his homeworld. With his naked eyes.
So that's pretty close then.
Closer than the Earth to the Moon, if the depiction is right.
And yet far enough away to not feel any effects from the singularity that consumed the planet. Ain't physics grand?
Also... I learned that it's more satisfying to maroon your hated enemy on a random planet to suffer instead of keeping them on the ship so you could enjoy and perhaps enhance their suffering firsthand.
Plus, it's VERY important that this planet seem inhospitable and yet have a Federation outpost within survivable walking distance.
To steal a line from Film Brain of "Bad Movie Beatdown" - "Why? Because the plot says so....!"
WHY did Pike quit? Maybe the riff way too loud, but I didn't get why he just handed the keys over to some kid like Kirk.
And what did Kirk really do to be named CAPTAIN of the freaking Enterprise? I mean, he got beat up a lot, sure, but other than that, I don't know what he did that was so much better than anyone else.
Quote from: Tony Farms AKA Puma Man on November 27, 2009, 06:02:44 AM
WHY did Pike quit? Maybe the riff way too loud, but I didn't get why he just handed the keys over to some kid like Kirk.
And what did Kirk really do to be named CAPTAIN of the freaking Enterprise? I mean, he got beat up a lot, sure, but other than that, I don't know what he did that was so much better than anyone else.
The Enterprise, with Kirk at the helm, stopped Nero and prevented him from destroying Earth the way he destroyed Vulcan. Also, he saved Pike's life. And I believe Pike was promoted to Admiral.
Quote from: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 08:00:34 AM
The Enterprise, with Kirk at the helm, stopped Nero and prevented him from destroying Earth the way he destroyed Vulcan. Also, he saved Pike's life. And I believe Pike was promoted to Admiral.
That really doesn't address Pike's impulsive decision to promote Kirk to First Officer in the first place, especially after the way Pike reacted to Kirk even being on the ship at all.
I guess we should file that under "Obsessive Fans Demand It So We Better Make It Happen Somehow"
Quote from: Indomitus on November 27, 2009, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: Thrifty on November 27, 2009, 08:00:34 AM
The Enterprise, with Kirk at the helm, stopped Nero and prevented him from destroying Earth the way he destroyed Vulcan. Also, he saved Pike's life. And I believe Pike was promoted to Admiral.
That really doesn't address Pike's impulsive decision to promote Kirk to First Officer in the first place, especially after the way Pike reacted to Kirk even being on the ship at all.
I guess we should file that under "Obsessive Fans Demand It So We Better Make It Happen Somehow"
I'll agree that it seemed pretty shoehorned in. I don't think it was a matter of fan demand as much as it was "an Enterprise with Captain Kirk has to happen in this movie, we need to find a way to make it happen."
Quote from: Tony Farms AKA Puma Man on November 27, 2009, 06:02:44 AM
WHY did Pike quit? Maybe the riff way too loud, but I didn't get why he just handed the keys over to some kid like Kirk.
At the end? Because he was in a wheelchair. Can't be a Captain in a wheelchair, evidently.
Why did he make Kirk First Officer? Good question. Unless we're to believe that that ship was staffed with nothing but Cadets of equal standing to Kirk with the exception of Spock...but even then with the suspension, Pike could be accused of favoritism anyway.
Another thing I learned....when on a dangerous mission to save a planet from certain destruction, always make sure that
only one person in your group has all of whatever it is you need to take care of the problem (
especially if they're wearing red.) so that if they don't make it there with you, whatever you can do from then on will be for nothing anyway.
Quote from: ManUnderMask on November 23, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: neeka27 on November 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
Pyramids in Akaba and now canyons in Iowa... what's next?
Yellowstone National Park done blowed up as a super volcano like they said it would on those 21st century science documentaries.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 27, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: ManUnderMask on November 23, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: neeka27 on November 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
Pyramids in Akaba and now canyons in Iowa... what's next?
Yellowstone National Park done blowed up as a super volcano like they said it would on those 21st century science documentaries.
What? No butt shots as Kirk climbs El Capitan? Darn it! ;)
I gotta watch this movie now, then watch the riff later tomorrow.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 27, 2009, 03:06:31 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 27, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: ManUnderMask on November 23, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: neeka27 on November 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
Pyramids in Akaba and now canyons in Iowa... what's next?
Yellowstone National Park done blowed up as a super volcano like they said it would on those 21st century science documentaries.
What? No butt shots as Kirk climbs El Capitan? Darn it! ;)
Perhaps
this will hold you over?
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Quote from: D.B. Barnes on November 27, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 27, 2009, 03:06:31 PM
What? No butt shots as Kirk climbs El Capitan? Darn it! ;)
Perhaps this will hold you over?
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Hmmm.....something about that just seems....wrong. :P
Just finished watching the movie unriffed first. I've watched almost all the movies, all the TNG, most TOS, some Deep Space Nine, little Voyager.
I guess I dont understand why they HAD to change things up and create alternate reality. I think they could have told mostly the same story and kept the back history in tact.
And the whole drill weapon..... seems to me that a single F-15 could have taken it out and Vulcan should be ashamed.
Quote from: Bob on November 27, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
And the whole drill weapon..... seems to me that a single F-15 could have taken it out and Vulcan should be ashamed.
Well, some how in this time line Vulcan has no weapons....
Defense systems during a time when the Klingons are still out there making war is illogical, I guess.
Quote from: Bob on November 27, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Just finished watching the movie unriffed first. I've watched almost all the movies, all the TNG, most TOS, some Deep Space Nine, little Voyager.
I guess I dont understand why they HAD to change things up and create alternate reality. I think they could have told mostly the same story and kept the back history in tact.
And the whole drill weapon..... seems to me that a single F-15 could have taken it out and Vulcan should be ashamed.
Yeah and then the same people who complain about the new time line would be complaining that the tech was more advanced then in TOS,the sets didn't look the same(Never mind that cheap tv sets from the 60s would never work on a movie screen),Pike commanded the Enterprise for 20 years,Kirk entered starfleet when he was 18 not 25,and a billion other things. A new time line was the only way to go and there was no way to make fans happy because star trek fans number one passtime is complaining about any new Star trek product while ingoring what went wrong in the past and acting like it was perfect. I feel sorry for Abrams because there was no way for him to win. Also the only reason Spcok could destroy the drill was because his ship was from the future too.
Feel free to nitpick i am just saying i really don't see how this film is any worse then any of the "good" old Trek movies or Tv shows.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Bob on November 27, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Just finished watching the movie unriffed first. I've watched almost all the movies, all the TNG, most TOS, some Deep Space Nine, little Voyager.
I guess I dont understand why they HAD to change things up and create alternate reality. I think they could have told mostly the same story and kept the back history in tact.
And the whole drill weapon..... seems to me that a single F-15 could have taken it out and Vulcan should be ashamed.
Yeah and then the same people who complain about the new time line would be complaining that the tech was more advanced then in TOS,the sets didn't look the same(Never mind that cheap tv sets from the 60s would never work on a movie screen),Pike commanded the Enterprise for 20 years,Kirk entered starfleet when he was 18 not 25,and a billion other things. A new time line was the only way to go and there was no way to make fans happy because star trek fans number one passtime is complaining about any new Star trek product while ingoring what went wrong in the past and acting like it was perfect. I feel sorry for Abrams because there was no way for him to win. Also the only reason Spcok could destroy the drill was because his ship was from the future too.
Feel free to nitpick i am just saying i really don't see how this film is any worse then any of the "good" old Trek movies or Tv shows.
Meanwhile, he was just over in another thread saying that he can't understand why they remade
The Omen because Patrick Troughton was in it.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 27, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Bob on November 27, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Just finished watching the movie unriffed first. I've watched almost all the movies, all the TNG, most TOS, some Deep Space Nine, little Voyager.
I guess I dont understand why they HAD to change things up and create alternate reality. I think they could have told mostly the same story and kept the back history in tact.
And the whole drill weapon..... seems to me that a single F-15 could have taken it out and Vulcan should be ashamed.
Yeah and then the same people who complain about the new time line would be complaining that the tech was more advanced then in TOS,the sets didn't look the same(Never mind that cheap tv sets from the 60s would never work on a movie screen),Pike commanded the Enterprise for 20 years,Kirk entered starfleet when he was 18 not 25,and a billion other things. A new time line was the only way to go and there was no way to make fans happy because star trek fans number one passtime is complaining about any new Star trek product while ingoring what went wrong in the past and acting like it was perfect. I feel sorry for Abrams because there was no way for him to win. Also the only reason Spcok could destroy the drill was because his ship was from the future too.
Feel free to nitpick i am just saying i really don't see how this film is any worse then any of the "good" old Trek movies or Tv shows.
Meanwhile, he was just over in another thread saying that he can't understand why they remade The Omen because Patrick Troughton was in it.
Did I say because he was in it? Quote me,I didn't say that. All I said was I didn't see why they felt the need to remake it. Before you try to pull something this movie is not a remake any more then Mirror Mirror is a remake and i don't see you complaining about that episode very chance you get. Now get off my back.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 27, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: ManUnderMask on November 23, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: neeka27 on November 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
I learned that there are some pretty steep ass canyons in Iowa
Pyramids in Akaba and now canyons in Iowa... what's next?
Yellowstone National Park done blowed up as a super volcano like they said it would on those 21st century science documentaries.
you heard it here first folks
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Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
All I said was I didn't see why they felt the need to remake it.
You questioned the need to remake something after all crap you've give people for hating remakes....that's enough.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 27, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 27, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
All I said was I didn't see why they felt the need to remake it.
You questioned the need to remake something after all crap you've give people for hating remakes....that's enough.
THIS WAS NOT A REMAKE! IF IT WAS MIRROR MIRROR WAS A REMAKE WHERE IS YOUR HATE FOR THAT! I am not riding anyone but you have been coming after me ever since i said i liked this movie. I LIKED SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T GET OVER IT! I was having polite debate with another user and you come into this thread start riding me like you have been since this film came out. Knock it off! Lots of people liked this movie too why don't you spend some time going after them or do something useful that will advance you cause like buying a gun and flying to hollywood so you can shoot J.J.Abrams.
Look I am sorry that i liked this movie really I am. I am also sorry that only 1 out of every ten remakes doesn't suck. I am also sorry that that one out of ten remakes that doesn't suck i will sometimes like. I am also sorry I didn't ask you before talking to another user about this movie. I am sorry you can;t get over what i think about this movie. I am sorry that what i think about this movie is the most important thing in the world to you. To end I am sorry i am not you.
P.S you don't think that there is a chance that I could find that the Omen has not dated that much but that Star trek is very dated. Also is there another chance that i find one movie to be well made and the other not?
I don't know how anybody can hate this movie, it was a pretty ballsy re-imagining... and yes, there is a difference between re-imagining and re-make.
I learned that Romulans don't know a thing about work place safty and that there is a Starfleet outpost that must be filled with tribbles. Oh and I also learned that there is at least two actors who have been in both Star Trek and Doctor Who and they are both in this movie and in the same scene.
I learned that Star Trek fans only care about realism, plot, and consistency when it comes to this film.
Quote from: Moleman on November 27, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
I learned that Star Trek fans only care about realism, plot, and consistency when it comes to this film.
Meh... frankly I only care about how good a movie is anymore, as far as I am concerned, everything else is secondary. However, there are times when plot holes are excusable, and times when they're not *cough*Star Trek Generations*cough*.
Alright, I'm watching the commentary:
1) It's not a canyon, it's a quary....besides, this is FUTURE Iowa....
2) They're not glass bottles in the bar, they are made from some....sci-fi, futuristic crystal......
3) Scenes were shot in a Budweiser factory
4) They liked the handrails and that was deliberate in the ship because, it was reasoned, if one is in a space craft, the way it would be jostled, it would make sense.
Personally for me, Star Trek Died when TNG went off the air. After watching this i felt i was watching Dawson Creek more then Star Trek or Star Trek for Dummies. It Seems to me that in order for something to be popular it has to appeal to the lowest common denominator. At least most of the Time. Look at Twilight for god sake.
Quote from: Road_Element on November 27, 2009, 09:32:07 PM
Personally for me, Star Trek Died when TNG went off the air. After watching this i felt i was watching Dawson Creek more then Star Trek or Star Trek for Dummies. It Seems to me that in order for something to be popular it has to appeal to the lowest common denominator. At least most of the Time. Look at Twilight for god sake.
You're seriously comparing this movie to Twilight? That's pretty ballsy, man.
I didn't hate the movie, I would give it 3/5 stars. Entertaining on its own, but I still dont know why they had to mess with the timeline.
Besides the Romulans having an "ultimate" weapon that a single F-15 could take out, I was confused why the guys sky dived onto the platform without a phaser? A phaser might have come in handy..... and why the Romulans on the weapon did not have one was a bit much too.
Quote from: Moleman on November 27, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
I learned that Star Trek fans only care about realism, plot, and consistency when it comes to this film.
Then you've never read a single review of
Star Trek V, Nemesis, the "Enterprise" series or heard anything of the whole
ST:TWoK/"Chekov wasn't on board the Enterprise during 'Space Seed'," debate, eh?
Speaking of Chekov.....
Another thing I learned, just because you're the Captain of a newly launched flagship, you don't have to bother finding out who the most vital members of your bridge crew are....
....and even though the surname Chekov is well known to anyone who has been exposed to high school level literature, Captain Pike either can't remember it or figure out how to pronounce it.
I learned that being the helmsman on the Enterprise is a low pressure job. Mr "Harold" Sulu didn't seem too bothered that he couldn't get the ship moving when the Captain wants it too. That scene was supposed to be funny I guess but came across to me as lame and not making much sense, except delaying the Enterprise for the sake of the plot.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 10:38:13 AM
I learned that being the helmsman on the Enterprise is a low pressure job. Mr "Harold" Sulu didn't seem too bothered that he couldn't get the ship moving when the Captain wants it too. That scene was supposed to be funny I guess but came across to me as lame and not making much sense, except delaying the Enterprise for the sake of the plot.
I thought the point was to show that The Enterprise was a brand new state of the art ship that didn't have a crew asigned yet because it wasn't really supposed to be out of space dock.
Hey is anyone else able to name the two actors in this movie that were also in Doctor Who at some point?
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 28, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Star Fleet Driving School.
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 28, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Everyone makes mistakes,even in the military. You want to see some mistakes look up military history it's full of them. Over all i think most of the complaints about this movie are just fans that are upset that it wasn't their fan script being shot. It's not that the choices the film makers made were bad it's just that they are not the choices that some of the fans would have made.
Also every movie ever made does everything because the plot says so. In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot. I really don't see how this "bad" movie is worse then any so called "good" movie trek or other wise.
I'm fine with nitpicking I am just saying i don't think this movie is as badly made as it is being made out to be.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 28, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Everyone makes mistakes,even in the military. You want to see some mistakes look up military history it's full of them. Over all i think most of the complaints about this movie are just fans that are upset that it wasn't their fan script being shot. It's not that the choices the film makers made were bad it's just that they are not the choices that some of the fans would have made.
Also every movie ever made does everything because the plot says so. In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot. I really don't see how this "bad" movie is worse then any so called "good" movie trek or other wise.
I'm fine with nitpicking I am just saying i don't think this movie is as badly made as it is being made out to be.
Yes it is.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot.
First, it's "Cary"...and it's "spies" Second, they think he's the CIA operative because he appears to have answered a page/trap for the CIA agent the bad guys thought was following them. Did you even watch the movie?
Genuine "cause and effect" rather than "plot convenience' like Sulu making such a simple mistake. He never could have been cleared for flight if something that elemental wasn't second nature to him at that point in his training.
It was because the script needed some reason for them to arrive late and they wanted a "moment" for the character to introduce himself.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 28, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Everyone makes mistakes,even in the military. You want to see some mistakes look up military history it's full of them. Over all i think most of the complaints about this movie are just fans that are upset that it wasn't their fan script being shot. It's not that the choices the film makers made were bad it's just that they are not the choices that some of the fans would have made.
Also every movie ever made does everything because the plot says so. In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot. I really don't see how this "bad" movie is worse then any so called "good" movie trek or other wise.
I'm fine with nitpicking I am just saying i don't think this movie is as badly made as it is being made out to be.
Yes it is.
I think the average episode of Next Gen had more plot holes then you will find in this tow hour movie. If you ask me this is why fans always kill franchises,no matter what is done they will find something to complain about. Fans should always be ignored.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 28, 2009, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot.
First, it's "Cary"...and it's "spies" Second, they think he's the CIA operative because he appears to have answered a page/trap for the CIA agent the bad guys thought was following them. Did you even watch the movie?
Genuine "cause and effect" rather than "plot convenience' like Sulu making such a simple mistake. He never could have been cleared for flight if something that elemental wasn't second nature to him at that point in his training.
It was because the script needed some reason for them to arrive late and they wanted a "moment" for the character to introduce himself.
So was ballance of Terror a bad episode because Spock made a mistake and hit a button? Sulu was supposed to be new to the ship and have you ever made a mistake while driving a car? Everyone has does that mean that that person never passed their driving test.
I really don't see how anyone can say that this movie was worse then any other Star trek movie or episode. The only reason this is getting bashed is because fans always bash everything new. I rember when the fans were bashing Enterprise as the worst thing ever when it was on the air now all the fans are complaining that this wasn't an enterprise movie. I just think it is silly the way fans always hate everything new and that doesn't just go for trek it goes for Doctor Who,The Simpsons,Babylon 5 pretty much everything with a fan base. Trust me in ten years you will all be complaining that the new trek film or TV series isn't as good as this. I have said my piece now get back to being angry.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on November 28, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on November 28, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
No I think the point was to delay the Enterprise so it wasn't part of the general destruction of the fleet. Nero would then be able to recognize it as the Enterprise and not destroy it outright. A fatal error on the villain's part in any Trek episode.
Yes, it was definitly a "stalling" tactic on the level of "because the plot says so". Sulu may be a rookie "and possibly high", but he would have learned about the emergency brakes in school.
Everyone makes mistakes,even in the military. You want to see some mistakes look up military history it's full of them. Over all i think most of the complaints about this movie are just fans that are upset that it wasn't their fan script being shot. It's not that the choices the film makers made were bad it's just that they are not the choices that some of the fans would have made.
Also every movie ever made does everything because the plot says so. In North by Northwest why do the spys think Carry Grant works for the CIA? because it is needed for the plot. I really don't see how this "bad" movie is worse then any so called "good" movie trek or other wise.
I'm fine with nitpicking I am just saying i don't think this movie is as badly made as it is being made out to be.
Yes it is.
I think the average episode of Next Gen had more plot holes then you will find in this tow hour movie. If you ask me this is why fans always kill franchises,no matter what is done they will find something to complain about. Fans should always be ignored.
No, they shouldn't.
I enjoy the classic series episodes when they're on TV but anything Star Trek outside of that I just can't stand. All the next generation crap is just that, crap. Its just so boring and its like nothing happens at all. Its like nothing means anything. There's no fun adventure like the classic series had. I'm not going to sit here and nitpick all the little things I don't like as if I have a stick up my backside. I'll just say that I find them all incredibly boring. Besides the more adventure like atmosphere, the classic series has a certain charm to it because of how cheap it was and how poor the acting was. Its like you're watching a play and its almost as if the point of the show was to try to entertain the viewer. The next generation stuff is just kind of....there, like if you wanted to imagine you were there instead of just watch a show and enjoy it.
That's what makes this movie awesome. Red matter? Who the F cares? Isn't that the point? You're supposed to watch a movie to be entertained not fantasize that what you're seeing is real. That's what Rifftrax is for, because its fun to make jokes when you compare it to real life because MOVIES ARE NOT REAL LIFE!!!! You think the original Star Wars movie is like real life? Come on, lightsabers?, dog fights in space? the force? You want to talk about Deus Ex Machina just look at the force, this magical thing that a person just wishes to happen and it solves the problem. But does anyone care or even try to notice these things? No. We sit back and just enjoy the F-ING movie. Why can't it be done here too?
To translate my post into being on topic:
I learned that it is better to worry about how smart you look to other people than to enjoy a movie.
Personally, I learned that the only thing I ever liked about the Star Trek series, from when I first saw the episodes in the 60's to this movie is the spaceship. It's the starship that takes you out of this world and to many others. With every series and every movie the special effects get better and better. The main objective being to make the starship as real as possible. It the only thing I'll ever value in any Star Trek movie. To some extent they pull it off in this one.
Quote from: Moleman on November 28, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
You're supposed to watch a movie to be entertained not fantasize that what you're seeing is real.
Everyone think about that quote for a minute....
Ahhh...so the problem with Trek fans who think that this film is shit - and like in this very thread find fault with things like black holes that don't work the same way twice, etc - is that we suffer from a "lack of suspension of disbelief"....
.....but at the same time the problem with us is we're
not suppose to pretend that what's going on in the movie is real....and that's the only reason we don't enjoy it.
WTF are you talking about?
Or are you just assuming that anyone who is a fan of a series - be it movies, tv or books - and cares about it's continuing quality is automatically out of touch with reality? Like people who have problems with
Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, any Superman movie since
Superman II and this upcoming version of
Sherlock Holmes?
And you bring up The Force as a Deus Ex Machina....that's only in the awful prequels which many, many, many people here bitch about. Is magic in Harry Potter a Deus Ex Machina? You'd think he could have saved that kid in
Goblet of Fire then. How about Gendalf coming back in
Lord of the Rings?
Or - depending on your beliefs -
The Ten Commandments?
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on November 28, 2009, 04:15:48 PMWTF are you talking about?
I can understand you being confused if you're going to put words in my mouth (or in my....uh......posts...). I said nothing about suspension of disbelief. I'm talking about caring. Why care if a black hole doesn't work the same way twice? Why even try to look for it? Why do you choose to let something like that bother you? And yes it is a choice.
I'm not watching the movie so that I can "believe" its real. Why would I need suspension of disbelief? I'm watching a damn movie, its already "disbelief".
man, this thread got major trek nerd for the past couple pages....too thick....must breathe! :speechless:
Well then here's some more. I don't know if it been remarked elsewhere but I learned that the Romulans were no longer a mysterious race of beings unlike in The Original Series (TOS). In the movie their relation to Vulcans were so well known that Humans couldn't tell the difference between the Vulcan and Romulan languages. No wonder the trekkies are up in arms!
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Well then here's some more. I don't know if it been remarked elsewhere but I learned that the Romulans were no longer a mysterious race of beings unlike in The Original Series (TOS). In the movie their relation to Vulcans were so well known that Humans couldn't tell the difference between the Vulcan and Romulan languages. No wonder the trekkies are up in arms!
Black hole. Alternate reality.
That explains everything.
I learned that science fiction is terrible because its fiction.
I would like to say despite this movie being in my top 10 favorite sci-fi movies of all-time, I enjoyed the Rifftrax as well. That's because I don't see Rifftrax as making fun of the movie. Making fun of certain aspects, sure. But I see it as using the content of a movie to create a comedic routine from. That's all. The purpose is to have a laugh not to make sure people are informed about how bad a movie is (with a few exceptions like The Room and Maniac). Rifftrax only adds to the movie viewing experience making the overall entertainment package better. So needless to say, because I like Star Trek 2009 so much by itself, the Star Trek rifftrax is one of my favorite rifftrax ever. That baby Shatner thing Bill did was one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard in a rifftrax. Hey, there we go:
I learned that Shatner's acting talent is a birth defect.
Maybe black holes are really just like graters. You can move along it one way and be fine, but if you go the other way you destroyed.
Quote from: spaceforarent on November 29, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
Maybe black holes are really just like graters. You can move along it one way and be fine, but if you go the other way you destroyed.
Indeed
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Well nero flew his ship into the first black hole and he wasn't under attack. The second black hole was created at the center of his ship and his ship was under fire. i don't think that is a problem with the plot or logic of the movie.
I don't think Nero flew in the first time as much as the black hole that was formed sucked both him and Spock in.
Quote from: Moleman on November 28, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
I learned that it is better to worry about how smart you look to other people than to enjoy a movie.
:clap:
Never the less the black hole was not being created inside his ship and he wasn't being fired on at the time. that was my main point.
Quote from: Lovye on November 29, 2009, 10:10:50 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Well then here's some more. I don't know if it been remarked elsewhere but I learned that the Romulans were no longer a mysterious race of beings unlike in The Original Series (TOS). In the movie their relation to Vulcans were so well known that Humans couldn't tell the difference between the Vulcan and Romulan languages. No wonder the trekkies are up in arms!
Black hole. Alternate reality.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
That explains everything.
Actually it might. I don't know if they tried to justify this, but just as an exercise, let me see if I can muddle my way through.
Old timeline: Romulans and the early Federation have numerous armed encounters but Romulans never reveal themselves until one fateful encounter against Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, that encounter being the first indication to the Federation of a shared ancestry between Romulans and Vulcans.
New timeline: Nero goes back in time and attacks the USS Kelvin. An alien appears on screen that resembles a Vulcan, and though the ship is destroyed there are survivors to report back what they witnessed in the encounter.
The Vulcans are consulted to try and explain, but they have no answer.
Through either subspace transmissions about the attack or spies within the Federation, the Romulans learn of a potential renegade Romulan ship attacking the Federation without support of the Empire.
Afraid that if the Federation learned of the Romulan's history on their own they might draw conclusions to lead to a war (that would be disadvantageous to them at that point) Romulans contact the Federation directly in order to declare that the mysterious ship is not acting under their command.
I learned that people will hijack any thread no matter what if it means getting a point across.
(yes I realize I'm being hypocritical)
Quote from: RoninFox on November 29, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Lovye on November 29, 2009, 10:10:50 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Well then here's some more. I don't know if it been remarked elsewhere but I learned that the Romulans were no longer a mysterious race of beings unlike in The Original Series (TOS). In the movie their relation to Vulcans were so well known that Humans couldn't tell the difference between the Vulcan and Romulan languages. No wonder the trekkies are up in arms!
Black hole. Alternate reality.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
That explains everything.
Actually it might. I don't know if they tried to justify this, but just as an exercise, let me see if I can muddle my way through.
Old timeline: Romulans and the early Federation have numerous armed encounters but Romulans never reveal themselves until one fateful encounter against Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, that encounter being the first indication to the Federation of a shared ancestry between Romulans and Vulcans.
New timeline: Nero goes back in time and attacks the USS Kelvin. An alien appears on screen that resembles a Vulcan, and though the ship is destroyed there are survivors to report back what they witnessed in the encounter.
The Vulcans are consulted to try and explain, but they have no answer.
Through either subspace transmissions about the attack or spies within the Federation, the Romulans learn of a potential renegade Romulan ship attacking the Federation without support of the Empire.
Afraid that if the Federation learned of the Romulan's history on their own they might draw conclusions to lead to a war (that would be disadvantageous to them at that point) Romulans contact the Federation directly in order to declare that the mysterious ship is not acting under their command.
Excellant!
That might be some of the best fan wank I've ever seen. Good job.
I learned that Star Trek fans are the most irritating people on the planet.
It's still Buffy fans for me, but Star Trek fans are a very close second.
People with different tastes are the worst ::)
Nerds, man. What are you gonna do?
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2009, 04:21:31 AM
Quote from: RoninFox on November 29, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Lovye on November 29, 2009, 10:10:50 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Well then here's some more. I don't know if it been remarked elsewhere but I learned that the Romulans were no longer a mysterious race of beings unlike in The Original Series (TOS). In the movie their relation to Vulcans were so well known that Humans couldn't tell the difference between the Vulcan and Romulan languages. No wonder the trekkies are up in arms!
Black hole. Alternate reality.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 29, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
That explains everything.
Actually it might. I don't know if they tried to justify this, but just as an exercise, let me see if I can muddle my way through.
Old timeline: Romulans and the early Federation have numerous armed encounters but Romulans never reveal themselves until one fateful encounter against Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, that encounter being the first indication to the Federation of a shared ancestry between Romulans and Vulcans.
New timeline: Nero goes back in time and attacks the USS Kelvin. An alien appears on screen that resembles a Vulcan, and though the ship is destroyed there are survivors to report back what they witnessed in the encounter.
The Vulcans are consulted to try and explain, but they have no answer.
Through either subspace transmissions about the attack or spies within the Federation, the Romulans learn of a potential renegade Romulan ship attacking the Federation without support of the Empire.
Afraid that if the Federation learned of the Romulan's history on their own they might draw conclusions to lead to a war (that would be disadvantageous to them at that point) Romulans contact the Federation directly in order to declare that the mysterious ship is not acting under their command.
Excellant!
I'm seeing this movie in a whole new light. Damn Rifftrax for making fun of it at all! Can I change my vote over in the rank-a-riff thread?
Quote from: Imrahil on December 01, 2009, 07:25:30 AM
Quote from: ScottH on December 01, 2009, 07:17:26 AM
People with different tastes are the worst ::)
It's not the different tastes; it's the proselytizing fanaticism.
Yes. Exactly.
Quote from: Thrifty on December 01, 2009, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 01, 2009, 07:25:30 AM
Quote from: ScottH on December 01, 2009, 07:17:26 AM
People with different tastes are the worst ::)
It's not the different tastes; it's the proselytizing fanaticism.
Yes. Exactly.
See, I'd consider myself a Star Wars nerd, a fan of Star Trek, and a fan of Whedon, but I can recognize crap when I see it and don't blindly love everything done by these purveyors of entertainment. And it does annoy me when people take things too far and won't see the truth before their eyes. This includes other parts of life, as well, but that's for another thread. Blind fanaticism/zealotry really is annoying, whatever form it takes.
I learned that Uhura "demonstrated exceptional oral sensitivity" on Spock.
I also learned that product placements are no longer a thing of the past, but unattractive people apparently are.
Yeah, I'm also a Buffy fan but the hard core fanatics are both scary and annoying.
Quote from: poopoopeepee on December 01, 2009, 12:40:46 PM
I also learned that product placements are no longer a thing of the past, but unattractive people apparently are.
LMFAO
Being a fan is all well and good, but with science fiction, especially Star Trek and Star Wars, you have the most disloyal fans. They swear huge fanatical love of the product, but simultaneously a hatred of about 70% of it. I'm not saying that fandom has to be an all or nothing situation, but I hear fans of Star Wars or Star Trek talk more about what's wrong with some aspect of the series than what's right.
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
:clap:
I learned that rather than Starfleet being the destination of the creme de la creme of post WWIII humans and off-worlders as Roddenberry imagined it...it was actually just the last stop for overgrown juvenile delinquents, people with identity issues and penniless guys with nowhere else to go......
Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I thought the name came from his favorite show "Bones" on FOX. Huh, shows what I know.
Quote from: Bob on December 15, 2009, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I thought the name came from his favorite show "Bones" on FOX. Huh, shows what I know.
And I thought it was because Kirk could get recreational Viagra under the table from McCoy....
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I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I thought the name came from his favorite show "Bones" on FOX. Huh, shows what I know.
And I thought it was because Kirk could get recreational Viagra under the table from McCoy....
Dear sir, you disgust me. Turn in your library card immediately.
Also learned that even though Vulcan was a centuries old civilization and they not only had weapons in the original timeline before Nero shows up and kills Kirk's father - even to the point of arming Old Spock's science vessel for what was believed to be a peaceful mission - all of that is somehow changed and Vulcan doesn't have so much as a pea shooter with which to defend their planet.
Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
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Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
Kirk had antiquarian interests, though (see: Trek 2, 4; in Spectre of the Gun he knew all about the OK Corral, names which I don't even know outside that episode).
Yeah, so did Calgon.
Quote from: Imrahil on December 20, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: ScottH on December 19, 2009, 09:49:56 PM
Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
Kirk had antiquarian interests, though (see: Trek 2, 4; in Spectre of the Gun he knew all about the OK Corral, names which I don't even know outside that episode). There's no surprise that he'd know it.
Yes, but that was the Old Kirk who grew up in the timeline with his Dad still alive. In that timeline, Kirk's middle name Tiberius wasn't chosen because it was his grandfather's name - Nero's showing up somehow went back and changed
that too - but because Dad was also a maven about ancient history and though highly of that Emperor.
This Kirk's interest in history probably doesn't go any deeper than the interest in old cars and how do destroy them.
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Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
Kirk had antiquarian interests, though (see: Trek 2, 4; in Spectre of the Gun he knew all about the OK Corral, names which I don't even know outside that episode). There's no surprise that he'd know it.
Yes, but that was the Old Kirk who grew up in the timeline with his Dad still alive. In that timeline, Kirk's middle name Tiberius wasn't chosen because it was his grandfather's name - Nero's showing up somehow went back and changed that too - but because Dad was also a maven about ancient history and though highly of that Emperor.
This Kirk's interest in history probably doesn't go any deeper than the interest in old cars and how do destroy them.
And classical music.
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Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
Kirk had antiquarian interests, though (see: Trek 2, 4; in Spectre of the Gun he knew all about the OK Corral, names which I don't even know outside that episode). There's no surprise that he'd know it.
Yes, but that was the Old Kirk who grew up in the timeline with his Dad still alive. In that timeline, Kirk's middle name Tiberius wasn't chosen because it was his grandfather's name - Nero's showing up somehow went back and changed that too - but because Dad was also a maven about ancient history and though highly of that Emperor.
This Kirk's interest in history probably doesn't go any deeper than the interest in old cars and how do destroy them.
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
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Quote from: Imrahil on December 14, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: JoshWay on December 14, 2009, 11:32:12 AM
I learned that the term "sawbones" will not survive into our future, greatly complicating the distribution of nicknames.
Yes, the complete misunderstanding of the origin of that nickname really irritated me.
I doubt it was a misundertanding as much as the term being outdated now, let alone many years in the future.
Kirk had antiquarian interests, though (see: Trek 2, 4; in Spectre of the Gun he knew all about the OK Corral, names which I don't even know outside that episode). There's no surprise that he'd know it.
Yes, but that was the Old Kirk who grew up in the timeline with his Dad still alive. In that timeline, Kirk's middle name Tiberius wasn't chosen because it was his grandfather's name - Nero's showing up somehow went back and changed that too - but because Dad was also a maven about ancient history and though highly of that Emperor.
This Kirk's interest in history probably doesn't go any deeper than the interest in old cars and how do destroy them.
And classical music.
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Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Cute.
I have watched every episode of the old show and don't remember Kirk's middle name or how he got it even coming up. Also if you are going to complain about that and give it as a reason for the movie being bad maybe i should point out that Kirk was James R.Kirk in one episode and it was changed with out reason at some point.
No I am talking about people who go after this movie and act like it is the worst thing under the sun because they didn't give the "Right" reason for Kirk's middle name and then act like the old show was perfect and there were no mistakes in it. Sorry but I am a fan but even i can see that 90% of all Star Trek is dated a mistake riddled.
We need to just have a no sarcasm rule on this forum because it always leads to something like this. What i was trying to say was that if the new Star trek movie is so flawed that it shouldn't exist or be enjoyed then old Star Trek shouldn't either because it is just as flawed. Look at James R.Kirk for one thing. That change was never addressed on screen. Also the Kirk we met in the old show was 35 how do we know that his interest in old stuff didn't start some time between 25 and 35?
I'm fine with her not liking the movie it's just that she can't seem to go three posts between some sort of rant about it and she seems to think that if she keeps bringing up manor things that only someone who owns tons of Star Trek books cares about would notice those of us who like it will decide it was a bad movie. It's been almost a year since the movie came out and the hate is getting a little old. It's getting near Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings levels.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 02:45:07 PM
No I am talking about people who go after this movie and act like it is the worst thing under the sun because they didn't give the "Right" reason for Kirk's middle name and then act like the old show was perfect and there were no mistakes in it.
I've pointed this out before but if you think this is the first time Trek fans have argued over the plot inconsistencies in the shows, the movies and back again, you've never read a word about Trek (the "Chekov wasn't on the Enterprise when Khan was aboard" just for example). The difference is that the movies and at least until the end of TNG they used to make the effort to be as consistent as possible....Abrams seems almost to have gone out of his way to make sure that almost nothing was correct.
In my post was having fun with the fact that Imrahil was speaking of this Kirk as though it was a given that nothing in Abrams' timeline change would effect that aspect of Kirk's personality and why....
And funny how I'm
now being ragged on for knowing info about the original Trek when before I was accused of not really being a fan at all...
QuoteSorry but I am a fan but even i can see that 90% of all Star Trek is dated a mistake riddled.
Like the majority of your posts.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
I'm fine with her not liking the movie it's just that she can't seem to go three posts between some sort of rant about it and she seems to think that if she keeps bringing up manor things that only someone who owns tons of Star Trek books cares about would notice those of us who like it will decide it was a bad movie. It's been almost a year since the movie came out and the hate is getting a little old. It's getting near Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings levels.
And god knows, I'm the only one in this thread who has pointed out things that the film got wrong.....
Sorry I have Asperger syndrome and that makes it hard for me to spell. I run spell check on all my posts but if it doesn't catch it i don't stand much of a chance do I?
Also you are the only person who seems to be on a crusade to prove the movie is bad because it didn't star the bloated corpse of William Shatner.
Also the things that you are upset about who besides you is mad about them? The fact is no one cares about why Kirk is James T.Kirk. Also nothing in the movie can be seen as being as bad as changing a character's name like they did in the old perfect show. You decided this movie was bad before you saw a frame of the trailer and now you are on a crusade to force everyone else to hate it,expect to be mocked.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 03:38:43 PM
Make fun of the person with a brain disorder that makes spelling hard. I run spell check on all my posts but if it doesn't catch it i don't stand much of a chance do I?
And I know about this how?
There are plenty things you've gotten wrong in your posts in the past that had nothing to do with your spelling.
QuoteAlso you are the only person who seems to be on a crusade to prove the movie is bad because it didn't star the bloated corpse of William Shatner.
You mean that "corpse" who co-starred in "Boston Legal" for four years? ::)
This has nothing to do with Shatner - or any other member of the original cast. When have you ever seen me post that? This is about that if they wanted to make a prequel because they can't think any new stories post TNG to do. Fine if that's all they wanted to do.
But there was no reason they
had to re-write everyone's history to do it. Especially when the story they came up with has it's own horrific plot holes and ever-changing rules of physics within itself. PLUS it can't even stick to it's own plot device that everything after a certain stardate was changed...the natural insinuation being that anything that was
before that point would still be the same. Oh no....they can't even do that and put together a coherent story.
Abrams in this film wants Vulcan to be Alderaan - unarmed and at the mercy of Nero. And yet he has Spock's Vulcan ship heavily armed because it's the only way he can have the ending he wants. Or is he claiming that Vulcan in this new timeline disarmed because of the loss of the Kelvin? WTF?
It's bad writing, period. It was written by the team who wrote the two
Transformer films and
The Island. Do you think they suddenly spontaneously grew talent for this one film?
QuoteAlso the things that you are upset about who besides you is mad about them?
Are you kidding? Just one example from here (http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?mforum=allscifi&t=910&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&mforum=allscifi)
QuoteLet me get this straight.
Former Trek movies have blatantly disregarded the details of the Trek franchise's history, resulting in screw-ups like the fact that Khan said he recognized Chekov, even though Chekov was not in the series until the following season.
The Trek series "Enterprise" threw out the established facts from TOS and re-wrote the Trek history to include things we all knew had not happened.
And now -- good God almighty -- the makers of the new movie have blatantly stated that it was made for:
Quote-- the "FaceBook" generation who are only NOT familiar with Trek in general, but are NOT interested (and by implication do NOT care) in Trek's backstory or history.
Hey, I have great idea, folks! Let's dig up Gene Roddenberry's body and beat it until it bleeds! Anybody else interested in doing this?
Something from IMDB:
QuoteThe soul of Star Trek has gone from this movie, replaced with stupid jokes and unexplained plot changes that must've been just because someone thought "wouldn't it be cool"?
Leaving the theater there were some shocked and disappointed looking faces.
So, non-fans view and enjoy but know that this is not Star Trek. This is JJ Abrams SciFi flick #1 with Star Trek written on it.
Fans, it's a fun movie but you're going to have to completely leave your brain at the door, something you should never have to do with a Star Trek movie.
Suffice to say when they talked about making this movie for a broader audience, they haven't just done that, they've completely dumbed it down to a point where only small children and and people who don't like to think will enjoy it. That's OK, but the problem is Star Trek has always been for people who do think, for people who don't like random silliness, who like serious and interesting plots. We had a non-Star Trek fan see it with us and even he thought it was just silly. Too much is unexplained and too much has to be forgiven (in terms of "why did they do this instead of this?" sort of thing.) If you had ANY ties to previous Star Trek series or films, this film will likely break your heart.
Just look around....there's more out there than you can possibly accuse me of being the one and only author of....there just aren't enough hours in the day.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 03:38:43 PM
Make fun of the person with a brain disorder that makes spelling hard. I run spell check on all my posts but if it doesn't catch it i don't stand much of a chance do I?
And I know about this how?
There are plenty things you've gotten wrong in your posts in the past that had nothing to do with your spelling.
QuoteAlso you are the only person who seems to be on a crusade to prove the movie is bad because it didn't star the bloated corpse of William Shatner.
You mean that "corpse" who co-starred in "Boston Legal" for four years? ::)
This has nothing to do with Shatner - or any other member of the original cast. When have you ever seen me post that? This is about that if they wanted to make a prequel because they can't think any new stories post TNG to do. Fine if that's all they wanted to do.
But there was no reason they had to re-write everyone's history to do it. Especially when the story they came up with has it's own horrific plot holes and ever-changing rules of physics within itself. PLUS it can't even stick to it's own plot device that everything after a certain stardate was changed...the natural insinuation being that anything that was before that point would still be the same. Oh no....they can't even do that and put together a coherent story.
Abrams in this film wants Vulcan to be Alderaan - unarmed and at the mercy of Nero. And yet he has Spock's Vulcan ship heavily armed because it's the only way he can have the ending he wants. Or is he claiming that Vulcan in this new timeline disarmed because of the loss of the Kelvin? WTF?
It's bad writing, period. It was written by the team who wrote the two Transformer films and The Island. Do you think they suddenly spontaneously grew talent for this one film?
QuoteAlso the things that you are upset about who besides you is mad about them?
Are you kidding? Just one example from here (http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?mforum=allscifi&t=910&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&mforum=allscifi)
QuoteLet me get this straight.
Former Trek movies have blatantly disregarded the details of the Trek franchise's history, resulting in screw-ups like the fact that Khan said he recognized Chekov, even though Chekov was not in the series until the following season.
The Trek series "Enterprise" threw out the established facts from TOS and re-wrote the Trek history to include things we all knew had not happened.
And now -- good God almighty -- the makers of the new movie have blatantly stated that it was made for:
Quote-- the "FaceBook" generation who are only NOT familiar with Trek in general, but are NOT interested (and by implication do NOT care) in Trek's backstory or history.
Hey, I have great idea, folks! Let's dig up Gene Roddenberry's body and beat it until it bleeds! Anybody else interested in doing this?
Something from IMDB:
QuoteThe soul of Star Trek has gone from this movie, replaced with stupid jokes and unexplained plot changes that must've been just because someone thought "wouldn't it be cool"?
Leaving the theater there were some shocked and disappointed looking faces.
So, non-fans view and enjoy but know that this is not Star Trek. This is JJ Abrams SciFi flick #1 with Star Trek written on it.
Fans, it's a fun movie but you're going to have to completely leave your brain at the door, something you should never have to do with a Star Trek movie.
Suffice to say when they talked about making this movie for a broader audience, they haven't just done that, they've completely dumbed it down to a point where only small children and and people who don't like to think will enjoy it. That's OK, but the problem is Star Trek has always been for people who do think, for people who don't like random silliness, who like serious and interesting plots. We had a non-Star Trek fan see it with us and even he thought it was just silly. Too much is unexplained and too much has to be forgiven (in terms of "why did they do this instead of this?" sort of thing.) If you had ANY ties to previous Star Trek series or films, this film will likely break your heart.
Just look around....there's more out there than you can possibly accuse me of being the one and only author of....there just aren't enough hours in the day.
I have said that I have the disorder many times in threads that I know you have read. Whoops you made a mistake and under your own logic that makes you a bad person.
Every writer has his ups and downs. Those two films were also directed by Bay. Also they wrote Alias,and MI3 and I think those turned out fine.
So you are calling anyone who likes this film stupid? then you wonder why people are sick of hearing from you? Also Star trek was never for people who think it was for people who like to think they think. Anyone who really thinks wouldn't be caught dead watching a show like Star trek. You have one planet that is nothing but warriors and nothing else where do they get their space ships? Who builds their houses? You have faster then light travel. You have transporters. You have character back story changing on the fly. Kirk's name used to be James R.Kirk and his he was one of only eight people to witness a slaughter on the planet(that wasn't earth)he grew up on,but by the time of the third season he was James T.Kirk from earth who has a brother who was a alive just long enough to die. Spock panics in some episodes. Russia seems to still be communist. Also no one was trying to get anything right. The writers were not talking to each other,no one had a plan and do you think the spin off writers cared about getting things right? If so take a look at some of the spin offs some time and tell me they make sense. Witness the changing death toll from WW3,see the defiant nearly destroyed in first contact a movie that happens right in the middle of DS9 and yet it is never mentioned in Ds9. Star trek was full of plot holes and have you ever seen a 'comedy" episode of star trek painful.
Also dozens of people were killed on the Kelvin you can't tell me that that doesn't screw things up in a big way time line wise. Also Valcon is a part of the federation,may be their ships are part of the fleet that is tied down in another system and besides it's not like this is the first time the Enterprise has been the only ship that can save a planet. it happens in every other Star Trek movie and episode it just so happens that this time it was not earth.
If you think this is the only star Trek with any plot hole or that they are somehow worse i don't know what to tell you.
In short i am through debating you. You seem to have gotten very angry over a few little things and I am sorry but that does not make you smarter then the rest of us and you are not going to make anyone hate this movie.
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Holy crap I think I just OD'd on irony :o
Quote from: ScottH on December 20, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
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Holy crap I think I just OD'd on irony :o
Nah see its different. With Plastic Duck, other opinions are valid because they exist to show how inferior they all are in comparison.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
I have said that I have the disorder many times in threads that I know you have read.
You said you had a disorder, yes. Something that makes it difficult (but not impossible) to interact with other people. Everything I've read about it led me to believe that it was an "in person" thing and didn't effect your ability to learn or your ability to read..
Which is why when you can't seem to follow the basic plot of
North by Northwest and claim instead that it has to be bad screenwriting that the spies think Roger Thornhill is Kaplan and claim that "It's good to be the king" is a line in
The Producers when it's from
History of the World: Part I among other things ...and do with such absolute moral authority despite being completely wrong....I tend to think of it being more something other than your disorder.
QuoteSo you are calling anyone who likes this film stupid?
No, I'm calling this a film for people who like shallow entertainment....like fans of the Bay and Uwe Boll films.
QuoteAlso Star trek was never for people who think it was for people who like to think they think.
??? Oh, that's supposed to be two sentences.
QuoteAnyone who really thinks wouldn't be caught dead watching a show like Star trek.
Ahem.... (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2009/05/05/2009-05-05_barack_obama_angelina_jolie_tom_hanks_and_more_famous_trekkies.html) (and that just scratches the surface). Yeah....Stephen Hawking...celebrated non-thinker. ::)
QuoteKirk's name used to be James R.Kirk
You mean this blooper from the second pilot....which according to Roddenberry was a set design error.
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And Spock smiled in the first pilot with Jeffery Hunter. They were still developing the show. Those things don't count yet.
Quote...and his he was one of only eight people to witness a slaughter on the planet(that wasn't earth)he grew up on
"the earth colony of Tarsus IV, who was responsible for the massacre of over 4000 people — including members of both Kirk's and Leighton's families — 20 years before." Kirk is 49 in TWoK so figure he's about 35 in TOS - that would make him around 15 on Tarsus IV. And families move around all the time...
QuoteSpock panics in some episodes.
Name one.
QuoteRussia seems to still be communist.
WTF? The USSR was a socialist republic...and as Roddenberry's view of the future was that there was no money used on Earth anymore - if you needed something you got it. So in a way the whole planet Earth was Socialist.
QuoteIf so take a look at some of the spin offs some time and tell me they make sense.
Because Berman and Braga didn't care - they just wanted the money. And that's when the rot began in the franchise that led them to this ill-advised reimagining.
Quote...see the defiant nearly destroyed in first contact a movie that happens right in the middle of DS9 and yet it is never mentioned in Ds9.
Key word being "nearly"....in which case it's naturally assumed that it would be fixed....or are we back to that "you have to show everything" bullshit of the other thread?
Quoteand have you ever seen a 'comedy" episode of star trek painful.
Yeah...."The Trouble with Tribbles"....what a piece of shit. ::) ::) ::)
QuoteAlso dozens of people were killed on the Kelvin you can't tell me that that doesn't screw things up in a big way timeline wise.
After the fact and within their normal range of influence, yes. But this has things that happened before that point different too - either because their weak story needs it that way or they just didn't bother to learn anything about the series.
QuoteYou seem to have gotten very angry over a few little things
I'm angry that this franchise has been dumbed down to appeal to the lowest common denominator (and if you think I mean that personally, you're right). And that while others can rip apart anything that bothers them constantly - including this film right here in this thread....
like you did in another just now....
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Johnny Unusual on December 20, 2009, 07:16:18 AM
Oo, can you help me not know Dane Cook?
I really wish he would spend the rest of his life getting kicked in the nuts.
.....but somehow I'm the
only one who is vilified for it.
Quote from: Moleman on December 20, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: ScottH on December 20, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Holy crap I think I just OD'd on irony :o
Nah see its different. With Plastic Duck, other opinions are valid because they exist to show how inferior they all are in comparison.
Posts two others I've "owned" on other occasions.....
And it's only "irony" if whenever one of you posted your opinion I showed up to tell you to shut up about it....which I do not.
You are seriously damaged. Seek treatment.
I think I'm in love.
What are the rules on "owning"? Is it just declaring ownage or do you actually have to make a well thought out argument that isn't intentionally confrontational?
If this is a game of "not it" then I think I just lost.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
I have said that I have the disorder many times in threads that I know you have read.
You said you had a disorder, yes. Something that makes it difficult (but not impossible) to interact with other people. Everything I've read about it led me to believe that it was an "in person" thing and didn't effect your ability to learn or your ability to read..
Which is why when you can't seem to follow the basic plot of North by Northwest and claim instead that it has to be bad screenwriting that the spies think Roger Thornhill is Kaplan and claim that "It's good to be the king" is a line in The Producers when it's from History of the World: Part I among other things ...and do with such absolute moral authority despite being completely wrong....I tend to think of it being more something other than your disorder.
QuoteSo you are calling anyone who likes this film stupid?
No, I'm calling this a film for people who like shallow entertainment....like fans of the Bay and Uwe Boll films.
QuoteAlso Star trek was never for people who think it was for people who like to think they think.
??? Oh, that's supposed to be two sentences.
QuoteAnyone who really thinks wouldn't be caught dead watching a show like Star trek.
Ahem.... (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2009/05/05/2009-05-05_barack_obama_angelina_jolie_tom_hanks_and_more_famous_trekkies.html) (and that just scratches the surface). Yeah....Stephen Hawking...celebrated non-thinker. ::)
QuoteKirk's name used to be James R.Kirk
You mean this blooper from the second pilot....which according to Roddenberry was a set design error.
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And Spock smiled in the first pilot with Jeffery Hunter. They were still developing the show. Those things don't count yet.
Quote...and his he was one of only eight people to witness a slaughter on the planet(that wasn't earth)he grew up on
"the earth colony of Tarsus IV, who was responsible for the massacre of over 4000 people — including members of both Kirk's and Leighton's families — 20 years before." Kirk is 49 in TWoK so figure he's about 35 in TOS - that would make him around 15 on Tarsus IV. And families move around all the time...
QuoteSpock panics in some episodes.
Name one.
QuoteRussia seems to still be communist.
WTF? The USSR was a socialist republic...and as Roddenberry's view of the future was that there was no money used on Earth anymore - if you needed something you got it. So in a way the whole planet Earth was Socialist.
QuoteIf so take a look at some of the spin offs some time and tell me they make sense.
Because Berman and Braga didn't care - they just wanted the money. And that's when the rot began in the franchise that led them to this ill-advised reimagining.
Quote...see the defiant nearly destroyed in first contact a movie that happens right in the middle of DS9 and yet it is never mentioned in Ds9.
Key word being "nearly"....in which case it's naturally assumed that it would be fixed....or are we back to that "you have to show everything" bullshit of the other thread?
Quoteand have you ever seen a 'comedy" episode of star trek painful.
Yeah...."The Trouble with Tribbles"....what a piece of shit. ::) ::) ::)
QuoteAlso dozens of people were killed on the Kelvin you can't tell me that that doesn't screw things up in a big way timeline wise.
After the fact and within their normal range of influence, yes. But this has things that happened before that point different too - either because their weak story needs it that way or they just didn't bother to learn anything about the series.
QuoteYou seem to have gotten very angry over a few little things
I'm angry that this franchise has been dumbed down to appeal to the lowest common denominator (and if you think I mean that personally, you're right). And that while others can rip apart anything that bothers them constantly - including this film right here in this thread....
like you did in another just now....
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 20, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Johnny Unusual on December 20, 2009, 07:16:18 AM
Oo, can you help me not know Dane Cook?
I really wish he would spend the rest of his life getting kicked in the nuts.
.....but somehow I'm the only one who is vilified for it.
Quote from: Moleman on December 20, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: ScottH on December 20, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Holy crap I think I just OD'd on irony :o
Nah see its different. With Plastic Duck, other opinions are valid because they exist to show how inferior they all are in comparison.
Posts two others I've "owned" on other occasions.....
And it's only "irony" if whenever one of you posted your opinion I showed up to tell you to shut up about it....which I do not.
NNNNNEEEEERRRRRRDDDDD!!!!
I also learned only the population of Vulcan being destroyed mattered.
The deaths of the crew of all of those ships that arrived there before the Enterprise where never mentioned again....
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
Quote from: Moleman on December 20, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: ScottH on December 20, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 20, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on December 20, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Seriously. Get a puppy or something.
Yes, I keep forgetting. No one's interests or opinions are valid except yours.
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Holy crap I think I just OD'd on irony :o
Nah see its different. With Plastic Duck, other opinions are valid because they exist to show how inferior they all are in comparison.
Posts two others I've "owned" on other occasions.....
And it's only "irony" if whenever one of you posted your opinion I showed up to tell you to shut up about it....which I do not.
Huh? who do you imagine you've "owned" here? that wasn't my point at all.
You
really are delusional enough where you can't see how often you sledge the tastes of others? Although the fact you tend to usually confront imaginary people (hypothetical fans of Transformers, Twilight, etc, etc) probably says a lot about you as well ;D
However, please don't let me stop you and Dr, Who fighting to the death, which I'm sure he'll suggest soon.
Quote from: Moleman on December 21, 2009, 01:33:26 AM
What are the rules on "owning"? Is it just declaring ownage or do you actually have to make a well thought out argument that isn't intentionally confrontational?
Owning as in through argument showing the other person for what they are....like I did with ScottH in the Twilight: New Moon (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,13622.360.html) when I proved that he thinks he can have his own set of facts about a subject and argue them endlessly no matter what kind of evidence you present to prove otherwise.
And speaking of evidence, for all of the name calling of "Nerd" no one is arguing the fact that I shot down all of DW's claims about the show. And I'm still waiting for that list of episodes where Spock panicked (which I'm guessing will all turn out to be ones where he was possessed by another lifeform or otherwise under the influence of something alien).
Quote from: ScottH on December 21, 2009, 07:10:20 AM
Although the fact you tend to usually confront imaginary people (hypothetical fans of Transformers, Twilight, etc, etc) probably says a lot about you as well ;D
Fans of
Transformers,
Twilight and this Trek are "imaginary" and "hypothetical"?
You mean where you used Billy Joel as a supportive arguement? :D
I'll have to remeber to use a lyric from Phil Collins or some equally dull singer/songwriter as indisputable evidence next time
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 21, 2009, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: ScottH on December 21, 2009, 07:10:20 AM
Although the fact you tend to usually confront imaginary people (hypothetical fans of Transformers, Twilight, etc, etc) probably says a lot about you as well ;D
Fans of Transformers, Twilight and this Trek are "imaginary" and "hypothetical"?
The ones you seem most comfortable dismissing are yes, you get very testy when someone actually questions your 'arguement'
Quote from: ScottH on December 21, 2009, 07:45:36 AM
You mean where you used Billy Joel as a supportive arguement? :D
Anyone can go to that thread and see that I supplied much more evidence than just that....but evidently that's all you bothered to read. Because your intellectual curiosity is as deep as a cookie sheet.
Thank you again for making my point.
When is this forum gonna get a damn blacklist / ignore function?
While I didn't think the new Trek movie was miles ahead or behind of the middling baseline set by 40 years of product... I can fully understand why some old-guard Trekkies hate the new movie... because it's not theirs... not part of their canon at all. That drives them fucking nuts. Somebody took what they loved, stripped it of some key components, threw the rest into a big dumpster and went about starting over. Was what they had all that great to begin with? doesn't matter really... Is this new direction that horrifically worse than what it's based on? doesn't matter really... It's just the fact that the franchise took their toys and moved to a different sandbox.
Quote from: Thrifty on December 21, 2009, 09:16:26 AMWhen is this forum gonna get a damn blacklist / ignore function?
Yeah no kidding. I want to be more active in the forum but there's about 3 posters that just totally ruin it for me. Its better to just not post and not get involved than to let myself get upset over an internet forum. How sad is that, right?
Seriously though Plastic Duck......"owned"? What are you,13 years old?
Quote from: Nunyerbiz on December 21, 2009, 09:38:50 AM
I can fully understand why some old-guard Trekkies hate the new movie... because it's not theirs... not part of their canon at all. That drives them fucking nuts.
Yeah, this was a hard truth I had to come to about The Phantom Menace. Star Wars was in the title of the movie, but that's where it stops being Star Wars.
Quote from: Moleman on December 21, 2009, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: Thrifty on December 21, 2009, 09:16:26 AMWhen is this forum gonna get a damn blacklist / ignore function?
Yeah no kidding. I want to be more active in the forum but there's about 3 posters that just totally ruin it for me. Its better to just not post and not get involved than to let myself get upset over an internet forum. How sad is that, right?
Seriously though Plastic Duck......"owned"? What are you,13 years old?
I don't think it's sad, attitudes like his are part of the reason I left this place for a year, had too much negativity in my life without having people I don't know add to it.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on December 21, 2009, 08:28:58 AM
Quote from: ScottH on December 21, 2009, 07:45:36 AM
You mean where you used Billy Joel as a supportive arguement? :D
Anyone can go to that thread and see that I supplied much more evidence than just that....but evidently that's all you bothered to read. Because your intellectual curiosity is as deep as a cookie sheet.
Thank you again for making my point.
Thank you again for suggesting people who disagree with you are stupid, it's very helpful in a 'forum'
I know what I want to learn:
Who was the actor that was in Dr. Who and this new Star Trek Movie? TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simon Peg was in The Long Game.
Deep Roy was in The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 24, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Simon Peg was in The Long Game.
Deep Roy was in The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
Thank you. Please continue with the fussin and fuedin
Quote from: Action Batch on December 20, 2009, 11:07:52 PM
I think I'm in love.
Considering your current avatar, that is
very troubling.
I learned, to paraphrase Caboose of Red vs. Blue, the future is very shiny.
I learned that I can watch every season of House and still not recognize Jennifer Morrison when she does her hair differently. :-\ Oops.
Quote from: PlayMSTie on January 07, 2010, 05:36:18 AM
I learned that I can watch every season of House and still not recognize Jennifer Morrison when she does her hair differently. :-\ Oops.
I learned the same thing. I had to watch the extras before I recognized her.
I learned that the reason Romulus was destroyed and the reason Nero is originally pissed off is that the "unthinkable happened." Someone seriously miscalculated the expansion of the dreaded supernova I guess. Was Janet Napolitano in charge of Romulan Homeland Security?
Hey, bub, THE SYSTEM WORKED!
;)
Quote from: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 06:21:31 AM
Quote from: PlayMSTie on January 07, 2010, 05:36:18 AM
I learned that I can watch every season of House and still not recognize Jennifer Morrison when she does her hair differently. :-\ Oops.
I learned the same thing. I had to watch the extras before I recognized her.
I only recognized her because she so rarely does movies I was all like "OH YEAH! Got some hawt hawt Jennifer Morrison action in this new Star Trek movie! YEEEEE HAAAAAAAW!"
And then she only gets two fucking minutes of screen time! Grrrrr.
I think they make something like 24 new episodes of house a year so she can't have that much free time to work on movies.
She can now. :( Although I hear she's going to be on Broadway in the spring. I actually was never a big Cameron fan, but JM is a good actress.
Just now getting around to this one. So far, I've learned that this DVD's a bitch to reauthor.
Quote from: PlayMSTie on January 08, 2010, 04:46:17 PM
She can now. :( Although I hear she's going to be on Broadway in the spring.
What a waste of hawtness. Broadway is for average looking to ugly people with great voices.
The "Beer Tap" for the warp drive doesn't have appropriate guards. At least not for occupational and safety agency (OSHA) standards...I'm assuming of course.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on February 22, 2010, 06:35:15 PM
The "Beer Tap" for the warp drive doesn't have appropriate guards. At least not for occupational and safety agency (OSHA) standards...I'm assuming of course.
I learned that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration changed its title in the future :D
Also, I really miss Pike's "Yes/No light" chair.
Eric Bana looks more bad ass without hair than in any role I've ever seen him in.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on November 20, 2009, 09:50:29 AM
I learned JJ Abrams learned from other successful series. The enemy ship is a cross between the Jupiter Mining Corporation ship Red Dwarf and the evil Shadow ships from Babylon 5. Brilliant!
I KNEW THAT SHIP LOOKED FAMILIAR. I even thought it was from Babylon 5 even though I couldn't remember what race it was from.
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 24, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Simon Peg was in The Long Game.
Deep Roy was in The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
Oooh I didn't know the little alien guy (aka Scotty's wife) was Deep Roy. Cool.
I learned that Spock would be concerned about people thinking he was playing favorites by having Uhura assigned to his ship, but apparently has no issue about hooking up with her.
I also learned that Captain Pike is dead sexy...rawr. :-*
I also learned that I should probably avoid any forums on here where Star Trek, Star Wars, or Sam Raimi fans gather.
Quote from: Moca Java on April 21, 2010, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: Doctor Who? on December 24, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Simon Peg was in The Long Game.
Deep Roy was in The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
Oooh I didn't know the little alien guy (aka Scotty's wife) was Deep Roy. Cool.
I learned that Spock would be concerned about people thinking he was playing favorites by having Uhura assigned to his ship, but apparently has no issue about hooking up with her.
I also learned that Captain Pike is dead sexy...rawr. :-*
I also learned that I should probably avoid any forums on here where Star Trek, Star Wars, or Sam Raimi fans gather.
Transformers related threads are often pretty heated (I am partly to blame), as well as political and religious threads.
I learned that thinking too hard about what Spock Prime might or might not tell the Federation about the future in order to avoid the problems faced by the crew in the series and movies will come this close to shattering your mind.
I learned that the shiny floors of federation star ships aren't slippery at all.
Quote from: Lemming Howard on August 13, 2010, 07:07:06 AM
I learned that the shiny floors of federation star ships aren't slippery at all.
Johnson's & Johnson's Floor Wax OF THE FUTURE!
Quote from: Darth Geek on August 13, 2010, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on August 13, 2010, 07:07:06 AM
I learned that the shiny floors of federation star ships aren't slippery at all.
Johnson's & Johnson's Floor Wax OF THE FUTURE!
;D
Eh. I guess Star Trek isn't an awful movie but, honestly, I don't think I've ever seen any film that's more obviously just mere set-up for the inevitable sequel. The point of the movie isn't to tell a story really; it's to assemble the cast in one place and slot them into their designated roles. So we get one ridiculous coincidence and silly contrivance after another. The utter ridiculousness of Kirk going straight from disgraced cadet to captain is just the most obvious manifestation. Also Bruce Greenwood stole all his scenes, making everyone else seem like complete lightweights.
Nu-Trek does continue the time-honored Star Trek trend of ruining the Vulcans; fortunately I've seen enough of "Enterprise" to become inured to that sort of thing.