Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilertastic Thread

[RoninFox]

Ha!  Not only was Daniel Craig in it, but check out his name:

Awesome. Apparently he was the stormtrooper who fell for the Jedi mind trick and let Rey go.

[SJP]

So Craig made a funny.  Nice.

That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.

It's true.  A lot of people loved Inception, and at its heart, it's a crime caper with a science fiction twist.

I couldn't enjoy it simply because dreams don't work like that, and my brain won't accept that much of the premise to let the rest go by.  That might also be because I did a research project about it back in school and I know too much about it.  And while a minor quibble, putting A.D. after the date is another one of those things that bug me, but not enough that I throw the movie out.  It's the same thing when people can't watch Titanic because they know art, and they know a painting hanging up in the foyer was painted in 1913 and couldn't have been on the bridge while everyone else is worried about whatever will happen to Billy Zane.  Well, that's what I was worried about...what, was that movie supposed to be about somebody else?

[jonalame]

I think having the Death Star 3.0 in the first place was a bad move and that blowing it up in the first movie, instead of just damaging it or slowing it so it could be a menace for the next two movies, was a worse move(If you take ANH as a standalone, it is the perfect ending. It is kind of clumsy if you take the whole OT into account, though, when the second one shows up. Here we see this mistake repeated.)

Oh, and since we're doing the impossible already, it would have been awesome if they had Starkiller Base go lightspeed and then drop in out of hyperspace into the Republic system and then take out them out "close range"... and maybe have the weapon reflect/refract light into the separate beams. It would be really cool if they just showed up in enemy systems and stole their sun or leeched off all the planet's energy and electromagnetic forces and left them to rot... or something. Yeah. Edit: Ooo! Ooo! They could build a Starkiller Base on an inhabitated planet full of hostages.

Anyway, Death Star 3.0 was executed as well as one could, but the idea of having a third death star threat is, in my opinion, the weakest part of this movie.

[soguru]

That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.

Well Marty, as far as I'm concerned, Star Wars requires that you suspend it pretty far. If you can accept the idea of the force, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to accept anything else in The Force Awakens.

[Darth Geek]

I think having the Death Star 3.0 in the first place was a bad move and that blowing it up in the first movie, instead of just damaging it or slowing it so it could be a menace for the next two movies, was a worse move(If you take ANH as a standalone, it is the perfect ending. It is kind of clumsy if you take the whole OT into account, though, when the second one shows up. Here we see this mistake repeated.)

I agree with this. I don't mind the notion of the bigger Death Star, but if they had let it build up over a movie or two then it would have felt more like something different.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

That's pretty simple, because everyone is different, with different thresholds of what it takes to shake their suspension of disbelief.

Well Marty, as far as I'm concerned, Star Wars requires that you suspend it pretty far. If you can accept the idea of the force, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to accept anything else in The Force Awakens.

I can't make that leap, the existence of the force doesn't render all physics obsolete, they still need ships and stuff, it's not an entire universe run on magic.  It it were a Harry Potter movie it would not have phased me one bit to have someone drain a star.

Anyway I've already gone past the star thing, next time I watch it I'm going with the idea RoninFox came up with to get past the draining a star idea.

Maybe it's explained better in the novel, if so I'll go with that.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Thinking about the interrogation scene, it's kind of nice that shouldn't get spoiled by future revelations, her resistance to the mind probe is immediately recognized as the force, something they couldn't reveal when Vader interrogated Leia.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

I think having the Death Star 3.0 in the first place was a bad move and that blowing it up in the first movie, instead of just damaging it or slowing it so it could be a menace for the next two movies, was a worse move(If you take ANH as a standalone, it is the perfect ending. It is kind of clumsy if you take the whole OT into account, though, when the second one shows up. Here we see this mistake repeated.)

I agree with this. I don't mind the notion of the bigger Death Star, but if they had let it build up over a movie or two then it would have felt more like something different.

Enough time had passed so it wasn't unexpected to have a new super weapon, evil dictatorships do seem to love their super weapons.

I just hope they are done with the death star idea and try something really different, bringing it back a 4th time would be hard to take seriously.

[Darth Geek]

I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.

As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?
It's VERY obvious that she's Luke's daughter. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.

As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?
It's VERY obvious that she's Luke's daughter. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

I hope not, that would make him a deadbeat dad, running away leaving his daughter alone.  Even if they were separated and Luke thought she and her mother were killed by darth emo how could he not sense his own daughter and go look for her.  They better tell a darn good story to explain why he ran away and left her if she does turn out to be his daughter.

I wonder if those flashbacks of hers are explain more in the novel?  I guess I'll find out in a few days...

[Kete]

I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.

As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?
It's VERY obvious that she's Luke's daughter. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Han and Leia knew that she had been kidnapped, and she was on the Starkiller base, but neither was very worried about saving her. Fin had to trick them to save her. If she was their niece and potential new Jedi, I think they both would have cared a little more. Maybe they don't know who she is, but that seems like a bit of a stretch. 

[JimJ]

I hope Finn doesn't turn out to be related to characters we already know. It's just makes this story of an entire galaxy feel that much smaller. Plus, he's a good character, I like him. I don't need him to be related to someone else I like to be interested in seeing his story.

As for Rey, why the hell are people actually speculating on who she's related to?
It's VERY obvious that she's Luke's daughter. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

The only thing against that is that it seems like it would be more satisfying from a story perspective if Ren and Rey were siblings instead of cousins, but I don't see how it would make sense that Han and Leia either don't recognize her or pretended not to.  I also think it'd be cool if she turned out to be Obi-Wan's daughter, since Ewan McGregor and Alec Guiness had a voice over cameo in the scene where she has the vision (Alec Guiness' part was actually a clip of him saying "Afraid" cut to sound like "Rey").  Then again, Frank Oz also recorded stuff for that scene, and I don't think she's Yoda's.  Also, the timeline doesn't really fit.

I do agree that Finn being related to anyone we know is a bad idea, especially since it would perpetuate the joke that are only a handful of black people in the galaxy.

[JimJ]

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[Imrahil]

Soguru seems to have pulled an Uncle Des

[goflyblind]

i'm pretty sure rey is the granddaughter of amidala's decoy: