Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilertastic Thread

[Henry88]

Leia and Luke will have larger roles in the next films (and I bet they are both going to die).

oh joy.

[soguru]

Whatever happens, it just needs to be done well, and for a good reason. I think if they do anything with Luke and Leia... Leia would sacrifice herself heroically, and Luke's promise would be to come back and do his best to redeem Kylo... but at this point I don't know if that's remotely possible. If Luke dies, it should somehow be the Catalyst for redeeming Ren... and he goes through all this emotional hell as a result. I don't mean like Emo Ren, just conflicted in a very understandable way.

[Ben]

When I first saw Luke standing at the edge of that cliff, I could't help thinking just how damn cliched it looked: The wise old sage, peering out towards the distant horizon and being all mystic.

Then it hit me as I was walking home: Luke was up there because he sensed Han Solo die. It's one of those little details nobody utters aloud in the movie, but when you piece them together yourself, it's like a punch to the stomach.

[soguru]

Maybe so. You could be reading a little too much into it though. Luke's got to be conflicted. His perceived "failure" has doubled. Kylo Ren... Han... Rey is our new hope, the one who through her journey has shown Luke he has not failed, but that there are some things that happen in the universe and are just beyond his control.

[Ben]

Maybe so. You could be reading a little too much into it though.

Dude. I'm a NERD. It's a Star Wars movie. Of COURSE I'm supposed to read too much into it. :p

[SJP]

What questions did this movie raise for you guys?

Here are some that I had?:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey's family?
Why did Kylo Ren seem to know about Rey? ("Was there anyone else with them?" "A girl" "Rrrraagghh!")
Did Han and Leia hold anything against Luke for failing with Kylo Ren?
Is Fin really the son of Leia and Lando, and so Han killed Lando, and that's why he's not in the movie?

These are purely speculation.  Any relation between these and the truth are purely coincidence or luck.
1. Snoke is a clone of the Emperor.  That's a wild guess, but if the Expanded Universe is being sidestepped as opposed to eradicated, that's a plotline that could survive.  I think the size of him is probably a fake-out; if it's not, that'd be really cool and unexpected.
2. I assume Rey is either Luke's daughter or potentially Leia and Han's daughter.  Again, Expanded Universe, the Solos had a couple of kids.  This also explains 3 to some degree.  It also ties the brother/sister relationship from the first movie together.
4. I doubt it; he's probably mad enough at himself.
5. Knowing the series, he could easily be related to somebody important; I wouldn't want him to be, though.  Han wasn't related to anyone and he turned out fine.  But the fact that he mentioned in passing as having been torn from a family he didn't know suggests the First Order 'drafts' babies and raises them to be killing machines, so it leaves his backstory wide open.  That he used a lightsaber at all and retained some morality probably means he is probably special Force-wise, but how would be a mystery.  If he's related to Lando, though, that's a pretty big coincidence.  Maybe he's from the Windu family tree?

[Glass Pipe]

What questions did this movie raise for you guys?

Here are some that I had?:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey's family?
Why did Kylo Ren seem to know about Rey? ("Was there anyone else with them?" "A girl" "Rrrraagghh!")
Did Han and Leia hold anything against Luke for failing with Kylo Ren?
Is Fin really the son of Leia and Lando, and so Han killed Lando, and that's why he's not in the movie?

These are purely speculation.  Any relation between these and the truth are purely coincidence or luck.
1. Snoke is a clone of the Emperor.  That's a wild guess, but if the Expanded Universe is being sidestepped as opposed to eradicated, that's a plotline that could survive.  I think the size of him is probably a fake-out; if it's not, that'd be really cool and unexpected.
2. I assume Rey is either Luke's daughter or potentially Leia and Han's daughter.  Again, Expanded Universe, the Solos had a couple of kids.  This also explains 3 to some degree.  It also ties the brother/sister relationship from the first movie together.
4. I doubt it; he's probably mad enough at himself.
5. Knowing the series, he could easily be related to somebody important; I wouldn't want him to be, though.  Han wasn't related to anyone and he turned out fine.  But the fact that he mentioned in passing as having been torn from a family he didn't know suggests the First Order 'drafts' babies and raises them to be killing machines, so it leaves his backstory wide open.  That he used a lightsaber at all and retained some morality probably means he is probably special Force-wise, but how would be a mystery.  If he's related to Lando, though, that's a pretty big coincidence.  Maybe he's from the Windu family tree?

Snoke was a hologram so no he's not a huge giant. 

Rey is either Luke's daughter or an immaculate conception like Anakin.  What if the emperor had a daughter and she seduced Luke like Morgana La Fey did in Excalibur?

Oh I didnt even think of Lando or Mace.  That would figure.  I like the idea of him just being a plain old regular guy but still being a main player.

[Glass Pipe]

Who was Max Von Sydow?  He showed up for only a nanosecond.  What happened to him?  He's a major actor so I don't get why he would show up in a bit part.

[JimJ]

Who was Max Von Sydow?  He showed up for only a nanosecond.  What happened to him?  He's a major actor so I don't get why he would show up in a bit part.

My guess is he was the Obi-Wan figure who was designated to watch over Rey by whoever left her there.

[Darth Geek]

I had a great time with the movie, and only had some relatively small gripes. Several of which several people have brought up already, so I'll just add a bit.
And I can't believe we're doing spoiler tags on a thread that is titled that it has spoilers, but whatever.

My problem with Hans death was that I saw it coming as soon as Ren was on the bridge. I was hoping they would do something unexpected or interesting with it, but nope.

Also, Han's death is ENTIRELY LEIA'S FAULT! I really hope in the next movie that she is held responsible for that. At the very least the guilt of it should be tearing her apart. I don't think Han would have shot his son in cold blood from a distance or anything, but he certainly wouldn't have gotten that close to a dangerous Sith on a precarious bridge. Why? Because Han Solo isn't fucking stupid! Leia is.

[soguru]

I prefer to let a movie take me for a ride so I don't want to guess what happens. If a movie takes me for a ride well enough, then I can feel like I am part of the movie and I won't think about what's going to happen next too much. It did that very well.

[Rainbow Dash]

Overall I really enjoyed it.  Felt like Star Wars, and easily better than the prequels.  All the action sequences except the stupid CGI monster on the Salvage ship were great.  I especially loved how the Lightsaber fights were sword fights and not the dance routines of the prequels.

Only 4 things that irked me though.

1.  Poor explanation of the state of the Galaxy.  The Republic runs things, so why is there still a resistance?  The First Order is supposed to be the smaller, yet highly organized force. 

2.  No Luke.  He needed to show up for that final battle.  He needed to do something other than be a nearly literal cliffhanger, standing on a cliff.

3.  Terrible tease with Gwendoline Christie.  Promote Captain Phasma like mad, and cast her in the role, then she does absolutely nothing during the entire film except get knocked over by Chewbacca...

4.  Snoke?  The big bad guy's name is Snoke?  Did Lucas force them to put that in there? 

[soguru]

4.  Snoke?  The big bad guy's name is Snoke?  Did Lucas force them to put that in there?

You know how in other languages some words sound like something else, maybe something silly? Maybe some names in other languages might sound silly when you first hear them? My point is this: Whatever race or planet Snoke hails from, Snoke may for all we know be the verbal equivalent of "Nimrod", or "Mighty Warrior". I just don't think it's fair to judge a character by their name. Look at Dexster Jettster. Kind of a cool name I guess, but shitty character. Seriously... what's in a name? Example: Rainbow Dash sounds silly, but is in fact... bad ass.

[anais.butterfly]

Leia and Luke will have larger roles in the next films (and I bet they are both going to die).

oh joy.

Genuine curiosity. What would you like to happen with the characters? Maybe what you imagine is better.

[Imrahil]

Just one thing... I still think it's important to have spoilers even in this thread, mostly because if somebody clicks the "show posts" links under your username on your profile, it will show ALL your posts, and that has the potential for seeing spoilers.

And if you click "Spoiler" tag they show up there too. So too bad.

I'm still pissed that JJ killed off Han. He did it to lend emotional weight to a movie that he was making and he didn't earn that. We care about Han because of 30 years of storytelling; you want emotional weight, kill off one of your own fucking characters, don't appropriate someone else's. It's cheap and shitty. He did the same thing in Star Trek when he blew up Vulcan.

He also went out like a punk, to a long-haired emo kid.  It's fucking atrocious.