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Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

Started by Henry88, October 20, 2013, 01:51:53 PM

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Johnny Unusual

Yeah, I Aquaman is pretty good, though I feel some writers work to hard to make him antagonistic.  Not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's ground already covered by Namor (who is a total asshole).

Darth Geek

Yeah, I always hated Namor. Just an arrogant jerk.


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Quote from: RoninFox on June 16, 2014, 09:40:41 AM
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People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.
I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.
Pretty much, yeah.  There have been much better versions of Aquaman over the years, just none that have supplanted the impression Superfriends made.

Agreed, Aquaman's a badass.
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Watch out, Aquaman might send a lamprey to bite your ass while you are sitting on the toilet!  Somehow...

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Johnny Unusual

But did anyone really look good after the Super Friends?

Oh, that reminds me.


RandyMistie

In the early 90's, Peter David, an amazing writer and artist; arguably the Jack Kirby of his day, re-invented Aquaman, Daredevil, Kingpin, and many other comics characters of DC and Marvel...

Paul Dini and Alan Burnett built on Peter David's template for their Aquaman, who was killer cool, and double tough.

Although the Robot Chicken Aquaman made me laugh till I nearly pissed myself.
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Soguru

I am sure this question has been asked before but I must ask it again... why does it have to be versus? Is there really anything that can legitimately be at stake under such a premise?

Sideswipe

I think its just a working title.

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RandyMistie

Well, Batman fans do not care for Superman and Superman fans think Batman is a dark, whiney bitch... frankly, and what is wonderful, is that it is an animosity born out of fan ideology, rather than from comic book writers or publishers.

Back in the early days of the Justice League, Batman and Superman were "Super-Friends"! Then, as comics got darker and more adult in the late 80's and early 90's, Frank Miller established the already growing tension between Batman fans, who hate super-powered, alien, freaks, and Superman fans who hate glowery, brooding, vampire wannabees...

It is a fun rivalry that DC encourages at conventions and in their stories... It's The World's Greatest Detective and mental acuity against Super-Punching Power from another WORLD!

Gods, I hate Superman...
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Johnny Unusual

Quote from: RandyMistie on June 18, 2014, 11:18:21 AM
In the early 90's, Peter David, an amazing writer and artist; arguably the Jack Kirby of his day, re-invented Aquaman...
Yeah, the Aquaman stuff is good... but you do realize that Peter David is not an artist, right?  I mean, he's an artist in the same sense that ANY writer is an artist, but he doesn't draw the stuff in the comics he writes.  I wouldn't really compare him to Jack Kirby, not because Kirby is better (though David is a humble enough guy that he would admit this is the case), but because in terms of storytelling and style, they are quite different.

I think David is more comparable to Stan Lee or Steve Gerber (though lighter and less cynical than the latter).  That said, I feel that this approach was both a boon and a bane for the character.  When David wrote him, he did make him tougher but also balanced this attitude with humour.  A lot of other writers seemed to just try to make him "badass" and really seemed to be straining to maintain his badass bona fides, which made the character uninteresting to me in the hands of many other writers.

Personally, I really liked the goofier take on Aquaman in Batman: the Brave and the Bold.  It's an attitude more inspired by Marvel's Hercules and it manages to make the character interesting and likable without leaning on "he's cool because he's badass" which is often boring unless it can be done cleverly.

RandyMistie

Very good. I stand corrected. Even as I typed, "The Jack Kirby of his day..." I felt a great disturbance in The Force... as if I had made a grave error... LOL! Yes, of course, you are right, but he always had the best artists working with him so I assumed him a Frank Miller type, but... there you go about "assuming" LOL!

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RoninFox

Another Brit trying to take our superhero jobs.

I don't know, its hard to picture him without hearing the accent, but if he can Americanize his voice enough I can kind of see it.

The question is, which Robin would he be.  Since Ben's playing an older Bat and I've already heard talk of Nightwing being somewhere in the world, that leaves Master Dick out of it.  So would he be Tim Drake or Damian Wayne?

Dare we ask for a Jason Todd and an eventual crowbar attack in live action?
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