Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[RoninFox]

  I can't imagine a What If issue of this movie that doesn't make tons of money.

I can.  It could be a convoluted mess that doesnt know what story it wants to tell or how to balance the characters so that they dont feel needlessly tacked on.

These two things are unrelated.

It will still make tons of money.

If it is a convoluted mess it will make slightly less after the word of mouth spreads, but it is going to have a huge opening weekend.  Whether this is the actual movie they want or not, this is a movie that geeks have been waiting to see for decades.

[Darth Geek]

Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.

[RoninFox]

Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.

Again, not necessarily the same thing.  You can make a ton of money and still "lose" the weekend.

[Darth Geek]

Ronin, normally I would agree. But it is opening against Captain America 3, and already established franchise that everyone loves. So unless the Marvel Universe movies shit the bed in the meantime, or Cap 3 has terrible trailers or something, I think that will dominate the weekend.

Again, not necessarily the same thing.  You can make a ton of money and still "lose" the weekend.

Well, true. But given how front loaded blockbusters are, and how much they cost, unless they dominate the opening weekend (which they have to do to make close to 100 million) they are considered a bomb. Or breakeven at best. Granted, that doesn't take into account foreign markets, which are more and more important nowadays. But it has to do with public perception and studio expectations.

[RoninFox]

Also, I might be wrong here, but I seriously doubt that both movies will stay on that weekend.  I wouldn't be shocked at all if they push back BvsS by a week or two in a couple months.

[Darth Geek]

Also, I might be wrong here, but I seriously doubt that both movies will stay on that weekend.  I wouldn't be shocked at all if they push back BvsS by a week or two in a couple months.

Agreed. Although I think most weekends have similar competition that year.

[RoninFox]

I have heard that some people are predicting next year will be the death of the summer blockbuster, because there are so damn many of them that there aren't enough audience members to support them.  I think if any genre will survive that it'll be the Superhero movies, but then who knows, maybe we're going toward another Batman and Robin dropoff.

[Sideswipe]

Actually the super hero movies this year have been under performing.  Spider-Man 2 and the new X Men movie havent performed as they were predicted to. Captain America under performed domestically, it made less than the first one. 

[Darth Geek]

I really wish Hollywood would back off on the monster busgets in their blockbusters.
A)Cut the running time back to around 90 minutes, particularly at the script level. Don't let the directors shoot all kinds of unnecesary stuff.
B)Hire lesser known but more interesting cast, rather than inflating the budget with actors/actresses that cost a lot AND get back end.
C)We are used to a lot of action now, especially cities being destroyed. Cut it down a little and make it more creative.

Think of how much Guillermo Del Toro did with the Hellboy movies at a fraction of the cost of a superhero movie even at the time.

[Darth Geek]

http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Aquaman will be pissed off "about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean."

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.

[RoninFox]

http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Aquaman will be pissed off "about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean."

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.

This depends on how informed he is at the beginning of the film.  He could simply see it as "an attack from those land dwellers" without knowing there was an alien influence.  It all depends on how closely Atlantis monitors the surface.

[Darth Geek]

http://www.chud.com/152493/batman-v-superman-is-not-a-man-of-steel-sequel-its-a-justice-league-prequel

So Aquaman is cast. For what will probably be a pretty minor role here, to be expanded later.

Aquaman will be pissed off "about the World Engine and what it did to the Indian Ocean."

Um...you can blame Superman for a LOT of things in Man of Steel, but I don't think the villain's World Engine is one of them.

This depends on how informed he is at the beginning of the film.  He could simply see it as "an attack from those land dwellers" without knowing there was an alien influence.  It all depends on how closely Atlantis monitors the surface.

True. Although that might paint him as an uninformed idiot. True or not, that's not exactly the best intro for a character they want to spin off.

[Sideswipe]

People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.

[Darth Geek]

People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.

I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.

[RoninFox]

People still care about Aquaman? I thought he was considered the joke of the superhero world.

I think that's only because of the Superfriends cartoon.

Pretty much, yeah.  There have been much better versions of Aquaman over the years, just none that have supplanted the impression Superfriends made.