Transformers 2 in summer 2009

[Tyrant]

The Decepti-girl that tries to seduce Sam is a 'Con who scanned an Alice In Wonderland animatronic. It's told via the pre-movie comics. Would have been nice if Bay had found a way to explain it also in the movie for those of us who didn't read the comic, though. 

Now you know some of what I felt about the Star Trek reboot.  Supposedly making the thing for a "wider audience" but the audience doesn't know the whole story unless they've been reading comic books for months prior?

If it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen.

Amen. It's not that hard to assume the audience hasn't been reading all the printed material or surfing the Internet for spoilers before the movie comes out. It's lazy film making to avoid the 10-20 seconds of screen time that might explain stuff the director, for being invested in the project, should have read up on him/herself and thus would know what made it  into the screenplay and what didn't and what might be too important or trivial enough to leave out.

I forgive a lot of the plot and logic holes in this movie overall, but even I have to admit that this was a sloppy move on his part. I and others were thinking up until recently that this was Bay's take on a Pretender, which is fairly significant.

[TeamRAD]

....hahahahahahahahaha.

Hey Edgar, what's your take on it?

Spoiler

Would I be freaking you guys out if i told you I'm developing a bit of a crush on Michael Bay? I mean he does have a nice six pack and all...but still he's not as hot as Optimus Prime.

Oh, and here are 10 gaping plot holes from Yahoo concerning revenge of the Fallen:

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

seriously with #9 there.
I think that was the point where it went from just ridiculous movie to what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you movie, for me at least.

I thought my popcorn was laced w/ ecstasy when #9 arrived on screen. Oh man, it's so great!

[Zandrax]

My apologies if this link has been shared, but it sums everything up in a FAQ.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php

Normally I would put spoilers up, but this is hundreds of posts in, so it's a pretty safe bet nobody who's gotten this far should be upset at spoilers.

Are there honestly 46 new Transformers in the movie?
I have no fucking clue. It's impossible to tell most of them apart except for Optimus and the Racist Twins (there's another yellow Autobot who I constantly thought was Bumblebee). There could be 46, or there could be 12. I honestly would believe 12 if someone had said that.

What is the status of the Transformers at the beginning of the film?
The Autobots have joined the military to hunt down the Decepticons. We're told the Decepticons are "doing things," but they appear to be hiding peacefully when the Autobots show up and brutally murder them.

What?
Yeah. The Decepticons aren't apparently doing anything, then the Autobots show up, the Decepticons run for their goddamn lives, and the Autobots hunt them down and brutally murder them. It's kind of weird.


Why is the U.S. military helping them?
Supposedly to help keep the Transformers a secret from the public. Although since the climax of the last film was a massive firefight involving 50-foot robots and took place over five miles of downtown Los Angeles and the beginning of this film wrecks several miles of Shanghai, China, they seem to be incredibly shitty at their job.

How does the U.S. military help them?
Well, not at all, actually. They just kind of come along with guns and stuff, and act like they're going to help, but the Autobots do all the work.

Why is the U.S. military in this movie at all, then?
Because Michael Bay has a huge erection for jets and tanks and aircraft carriers and considers giant robots only a necessary evil for the film. At least 15 full minutes of the film's 150-minute run time is nothing but footage of jets and tanks and planes without any robots or actual action whatsoever.

How is Sam Witwicky dragged back into the fight?
Well, he finds a fragment of the Allspark shard. You know, the Allspark that he spent all last movie being told he shouldn't give to Megatron, but when he gave it to Megatron, it killed Megatron. That one. Anyways, the shard makes the Beef see symbols and act like more of an spaz than usual.

So the Decepticons want the shard? Why?
Uh... to bring Megatron back to life?

What?
That's what they said.

But the Allspark killed Megatron in the first movie.
Yes.

...and now it can also bring him back to life.
It's very powerful, this Allspark.

Uh-huh. So what's their plan to get it?
They send a small R/C car who talks like Joe Pesci in Casino to get it.

Shouldn't they have sent Starscream or somebody?
Look, there's another Allspark shard and get that one anyways, so it doesn't matter.

Well, then why do they give a shit about Sam?
The symbols. In his head. That the shard of the Allspark gave him.

They weren't in the other shard?
Apparently not.

So how do the Decepticons plan to get the symbols, I guess?
Well, the Decepticons have very cunningly created a hot chick robot who they enrolled in the same college and put in the same astronomy class as Sam. And they made her a huge slut.

Wait.
Waiting.

There's a slutty Decepticon?
Yeah, she's a real ho. The Decepticons apparently have an incredibly powerful slut-making program, because she has it down, man. Anyways--

Didn't Sam touch the shard and get the symbols stuck in his head on his first day of college?
Yes.

So the Decepticons made a slutty robot to attend his college and enrolled her in classes and put her in on-campus housing just in case Sam ended up being important at some point in the future?
Apparently. It was an elaborate plan, but it sure paid off.

How so?
Well, not at all. The slut-bot made out with him for a little bit then immediately tried to kill him, neither for any apparent motive or gain.

It sounds preposterous.
Doesn't matter, because the Decepticons use the shard piece they do have to resurrect Megatron! He's back! Ooo! Scary!

Why is this scary? All he wanted was the Allspark, and now it's gone.
...because he has a boss! He's called the Fallen, because he's so evil! He has an evil plan to use a machine on Earth to blow up the sun and make energon! Or something! It's not very clear.

Now you're just making shit up as you go along, aren't you?
Best not to think too much about it. Anyways, the symbols in the Beef's head are a map to where this machine exists, so the hunt is on and Sam shortly is captured by other, less slutty Decepticons in one of the many instances where Bumblebee inexplicably abandons the Beef so he can conveniently be in trouble.
Then a robot called the Doctor who speaks gibberish with a German accent shoves things up Shia's nose and gets the symbols.

That's that, then, right? The Decepticons win?
No! Because Optimus Prime saves Sam before they cut off his head, which has another treasure inside!

Really? What is that?
No one really bothers to explain this, actually. Suffice to say, the Decepticons continue to want Sam. Oh, then Optimus Prime fights three Decepticons at once and dies.

Where the hell were the other Autobots during this fight?
I don't know. They were with him before the fight, but then they disappear and show up right after he dies. But they appear sad about Optimus dying. Marginally. I mean, they don't get any screen time or dialogue to convey any feelings or anything, but there's some sad music playing for a little bit afterwards. I assume this means the robots that are off-screen are grieving.

Well, if one shard brought Megatron back to life, can't Sam just use his shard piece to resurrect Optimus?
Yes. He could.

...
...

Well?
He doesn't.

Why not?
I'm not sure exactly.

Then what the hell does he do?
He decides get those symbols that were in his head translated to figure out what the Fallen's up to.

Which Autobot does the translating?
Err... none of them. Actually, it's John Turturro.

What. The fuck.
Yeah, since he was laid off from his super-secret government agent job, he now works in a NY deli and runs a super-popular Transformers conspiracy theory website. Like ya do.

And why couldn't an Autobot translate these symbols?
Because Bumblebee is mute and the Racist Twins are poor black robots from the slums of Cybertron who never learned how to read. It's a sad commentary on Cybertronian society. Like The Wire, actually.

Where the hell are the other Autobots?
I don't know. Away. They seem to be unable to be reached. They're probably grieving about Optimnus still. Clearly, John Turturro is the reasonable solution here.

So Turturro translates the symbols.
No, that would be silly. He does, in an incredibly bizarre series of connect-the-dots, lead them to Jetfire, an elderly and deceased Transformers whose corpse is hanging out in the Air & Space Museum.

What good is he dead?!
Ah! Remember the shard? Sam uses it to bring Jetfire back to life!

Not Optimus?
No! This way, Sam can get the symbols translated... so he can, er... find the ancient machine... that can, uh... possibly bring Optimus back to life.

You have to fucking be kidding me.
Moving on! Jetfire teleports everyone to Egypt, including some of the missing Autobots --

Wait, what? Teleports?
Yes, teleports.

Transformers don't teleport.
Jetfire does.

But -- wait a second, he's a fucking jet. He could fly everybody to Egypt, right? And that would make perfect sense for both the character and the franchise!
Well, I guess so. But he chooses not to. The point is Jetfire teleports them all to Egypt where he explains that there used to be 7 or 8 Primes, and they traveled around the galaxy blowing up suns for energon. But they never did it on planets with life.
Well, they had set the machine up on Earth and not noticed all the life running around, and one of the Primes just said fuck it, let's do it anyways. This was evil, so they called that Prime the Fallen and beat the shit out of him although he escaped.

Okay...
So that other mysterious reason that the Decepticons wanted Sam's brain? It's because it contains some very vague clues about the Matrix of Leacdership, which is the device that turns on the sun-exploding machine. The Fallen needs the Matrix to blow up the sun and get his Energon.

Hold on. That's what the Matrix of Leadership does in the movie?
Yes. Works the sun-exploding machine.

I'm fuzzy on how "Leadership" covers that.
I didn't name it. But it does sound a little nicer than "Matrix of Blowing Up the Goddamn Sun."
If I may continue, in order to protect the Earth, the 6-7 other Prime hid the Matrix on Earth and made a tomb with their own bodies. Isn't that cool?

...
...

No. No it is not. If they wanted to protect Earth, why did they leave the Matrix on the planet? They're a space-faring race, they could have hid it anywhere in galaxy! Second of all, what the fuck does making a tomb of their own bodies do? Shouldn't they have stayed alive to protect the Matrix? Or finish off the Fallen? Or just not die and leave Earth and the entire Transformer race in jeopardy?
Uh...

And why hide the Matrix at all? Don't they need Energon to survive? Didn't they say they go to other lifeless planets? These idiot Primes just doomed their whole species for no fucking reason whatsoever! No wonder the Decepticons are so pissed.
...ahem. Eventually, Sam and crew find the Matrix, which instantly crumbles into dust. Sam puts the dust in a sock because he thinks it will bring Optimus back to life.

Grr.
What follows is the most spectacular part of the movie, as Sam and Mikaela try to run the several miles back to the military camp during a massive Decepticon attack where the military has dropped Optimus Prime's corpse.

Why is that awesome? They could drive back in one of the Autobots and be there in a minute or two.
They don't do that.

What?
They walk.

Of course they do. And I assume the Autobots just mysteriously disappear again until a second before a Decepticon is about to kill Sam.
Yes. Exactly.

I am already incredibly sick of this movie, and I'm just typing questions about it. Sam resurrects Optimus, Optimus kills the Fallen, end of story, right?
Pretty close. Sam dies, though.

Really?
Yeah, for a little while. But then the Transformers in heaven send him back because he still has work to do.

Fuck you.
I'm serious.

Fuck you. There's no way.
It's true. The 6-7 Primes are there in the clouds like Mufasa's head in The Lion King, and tell Sam he's awesome and he needs to live again so he can bring Optimus back to life.

I may be ill.
Then Jetfire appears out of nowhere and rips out his own heart right in front of Optimus to give him his elderly old robot powers. This makes Optimus into a flying badass who defeats the Megatron and Starscream and the Fallen in a little less than two minutes. After the last 30 minutes of the movie have been nothing but explosions -- not all of which have any obvious causes -- it's a bit disappointing.

Anything else you want to add?
Well, only that although Sam jams the Matrix of Leadership into Optimus Prime's chest to resurrect him, a Decepticon takes it out like 10 seconds later and Optimus is fine. Just a little weird, is all.

Can you give me any reason I would want to see this film in theaters?
I can't answer every question, man.

BONUS ROUND!

So it's not as bad as shitting your pants?
Marginally. I honestly had to make a pro and con list to figure it out.

Why on earth would anyone make a film about giant robots but have myriad scenes of some random douchebag's first day of college?
I don't have the faintest clue.

Could there have been more trite, less inspired song for Bumblebee to play when Sam says he's going to college than The Pointer Sisters' "I'm So Excited"?
No. No there couldn't.

Why can't Bumblebee talk, but the other Autobots can?
Because Bumblebee is retarded, but in a Sling Blade kind of a way. This explains how he kills the living fuck out of a Decepticon later.

Why does Sam's mom buy and consume a pot brownie?
Well, Sam's mom was in a coma for the last 30+ years, which explains how she had never heard of marijuana, and why she didn't understand the consequences of eating it even after her husband specifically told her it was a pot brownie (Sam was unfortunately conceived and born during this period). A better question is why any college student in America would be selling pot brownies at an on-campus bake sale, let alone to a middle-aged woman.

A lot was made of how Shia the Beef's hand injury was written into the film. How was this done?
Well, sometimes Shia had a huge bandage on his hand, and sometimes he didn't.

That doesn't sound "written in" at all.
Well, no actual words are used to explain it. It might be more accurate to say it "shows up sometimes."

Why would a robot need to fart, pee, or vomit? And why would it need testicles?
Michael Bay does not understand what a robot is.

What is the point of the character of Sam's college roommate, and why the fuck does he stay for the entirety of the movie?
I have no clue. He's not comedy relief, because that's covered by 90% of the Transformers themselves. He technically leads the Beef to John Turturro, but surely there could have been another way to do that. Besides, Turturro just leads them to Jetfire anyways. It's all extraneous.

Why can only a Prime kill the Fallen? Why can Jetfire teleport? Why can the Fallen wave a staff and make shit fly around? Why do actual cars and Autobots get sucked into Devastator's maw, but John Turturro and that other kid can run around?
Because... because FUCK YOU, that's why.

Can you explain Megan Fox's appeal?
Yes. She looks like a porn star and has the same acting talent as one, yet for some reason she makes mainstream movies. This tonal disconnect is what's so appealing about her.

If you had to pick a single scene that exemplifies Michael Bay's utter disdain for story and continuity, what would it be?
When five Decepticons sink to the bottom of the ocean to retrieve Megatron's corpse. A submarine tracks five "subjects" going down, and when they get there, one of the Decepticons is killed to give parts to Megatron. 5 -1 +1 = 5, right? No, because the sub somehow tracks "six" subjects coming up. Not only is this very basic math, this is the simplest of script errors. It could not possibly have been more than one page apart in the script. And yet  Michael Bay either didn't care to notice or didn't give a fuck. "Math? Math is for pussies. My movies are about shit blowing up, man."

Could you sum up the film in one line of its dialogue?
"I am standing directly beneath the enemy's scrotum."

[Cosmic Muse]

Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.

[Junkyard]

Wow. I didn't see the movie, so I have no idea how accurate that is, but...wow.

This part:

Why would a robot need to fart, pee, or vomit? And why would it need testicles?
Michael Bay does not understand what a robot is.

Mad me laugh aloud here. I'm still giggling a bit.

Me too. I'm not sure what it is, but something in that matter of fact statement struck me as especially funny. I think it's because it manages to be a true and logical explination for something so deeply absurd.

[Zandrax]

Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.

True, but Skywarp could only go a few miles at a time. Jetfire went to the other side of the world.

I do seem to recall Jetfire using the term "Space Bridge", but like making "The Matrix Of Leadership" something that fires an intergalactic weapon, it was probably just an attempt to make a flimsy link to the original.

Of course, why a dusty old codger would have a cool name like Jetfire and change into a sleek 20th century jet is something I don't think I'll ever figure out. basically they took one of the most awesome ideas ever (an SR-71 Transformer) and gave it Kup's personality.

[Junkyard]

Hey, something i missed- did they explain in the film why Bumblebee can't talk again?

[a pretty girl is like]

Hey, something i missed- did they explain in the film why Bumblebee can't talk again?

Nope.  They pretty much had Megan Fox ask hey is he not talking again and Shia says uh uh he's not talking again. 

[Junkyard]

So either Ratchet is the worst robot doctor in the universe or Bumblebee got his robot brain damaged somewhere along the line.

Also, all this talk about the Sluticon character has made me curious- when she reveals herself to be a decepticon, is it just like a hologram turning off, liquid metal, or is it like normal transformers where the outside chassis shifts and relocates? If there's a scene in this movie where Sam has to fight a decepticon with shoulders made up of two halfs of a human head and feet hanging off of it's kneecaps, I guess I will shell out the 7 bucks to see the damn movie.

[MSTJedi]

From all this, I think I'm waiting for this to come out for rental from Redbox. I can't see paying more than a buck to watch all the drivel that's been discussed here.

[bettertomorrowamy]

What hath become of Mt.Dewatron?  Me wonderiths?

[Raven]

Wow. I didn't see the movie, so I have no idea how accurate that is, but...wow.

Pretty accurate. 

[Cosmic Muse]

Uh...about Transformers not being able to teleport, the only one i knew that did that was Skywarp. Weird they gave Jetfie Skywarp's ability. Maybe he was using the same machine Megatron used to assimilate all his Decepticons' powers into his own body.

True, but Skywarp could only go a few miles at a time. Jetfire went to the other side of the world.

I guess in a movie so rife with errors by the end of it you just stop asking questions or your brain will start overloading.

[Tyrant]

We saw TF2 again yesterday. I actually liked it better the second time around. Things which were confusing the first time made more sense the second time. Like what happened to the Allspark shard Sam found and what not (used to reactivate Jetfire, hence it not being around thereafter to bring back Prime, assuming it could). It was still big and stupid, but it was still fun. And still a full auditorium with happy people leaving after wards.

[iv3rdawG]

Some stuff definitely could have been cut. Specifically the stuff when Sam first goes to college and the scenes with the parents. And some of the "comedic relief" was just horrible. It was somewhat enjoyable but I cant see sitting through it again for a while. It was just too long.