Peter Jackson to direct "The Hobbit"

[Petey Wheatstraw]

I am curious as to what shots you think he took from other movies

Fellowship:



Plus "Proudfeet!", the slashing of the beds at the Inn, etc.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0167261/movieconnections

References
The Birth of a Nation (1915)
Metropolis (1927)
Triumph des Willens (1935)
Mary of Scotland (1936)
Olympia 1. Teil - Fest der Völker (1938)
Aleksandr Nevskiy (1938)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Ivanhoe (1952)
Shichinin no samurai (1954)
The Dam Busters (1955)
Paths of Glory (1957)
Psycho (1960)
-  Camera shot: spinning down to and up from Gandalf's eye.
Spartacus (1960)
-  Gladiator training/Formation on Helm's Deep bridge
Carnival of Souls (1962)
-  Borrows the shot of corpse opening eyes looking straight up while laying underwater
Zulu (1964)
Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Patton (1970)
Hotaru no haka (1988)
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)
Mononoke-hime (1997)
Pacte des loups, Le (2001)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0167260/movieconnections

References
Intolerance: Love's Struggle Throughout the Ages (1916)
-  The siege towers, especially the attack ramps which are used to clamp on to the walls, and their movement up to the walls
The Third Man (1949)
-  Samwise's shadow preceding him up the stairs when he rescues Frodo
Vertigo (1958)
-  The famous 'vertigo' reverse-tracking shot is used

And another question, what are your favorite directors?

Charles Chaplin, Orson Welles, Jean-Luc Godard, Hitchcock, Kubrick, David Lynch, Coens, Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, George A. Romero, Melvin Van Peebles, Ralph Bakshi, to name a few. I can't name them all off the top of my head, but these are a few of my favorites.

[mrbasehart]

He specifically mentions those two shots he took from Bakshi in his commentary, saying he wanted to pay homage to the previous version of the movie.  I'm surprised you're taking Jackson to task for "stealing" shots froms movies, and yet Tarantino is one of your favourite directors.   

[Petey Wheatstraw]

I specifically said that I don't have a problem with borrowing ideas from other films as long as the movie's good. And Tarantino makes some great movies.

[mrbasehart]

Oh, I agree, I think Tarantino is a great director, though I wish he'd stop talking about the ideas he has for movies and just go and make them!

You must admit that a lot of those connections are tenuous at best.  Braveheart? 13th Warrior? It's like someone has decided if there's some swordplay and a bit of open ground, it influenced the movie.   

And could someone please tell me the relationship between Stagecoach and Lord of the Rings? I'm thinking really hard here....

[Fortis]

Now now, lets not attack him. I guess it could be viewed at stealing shots, personally I think he is paying homage to older things that he respects. Everybody does it. I mean, Tolkien himself could be viewed as stealing his characters and people from older stories and such. But he was doing it because he respected the work and instituted it into his. Like for instance, in the book Letters from Tolkien, Tolkien gets writers block during the Balin's Tomb chapter. This happened for months. Guess what brought him out of his writers block, at the same time the movie Fantasia came out. So, after watching a little movie called "Fantasia." He came home and started writing.

Hmm...




Everybody does it either on purpose to establish resonance and familiarity with other works people will be used to, or as tribute, or even subconsciously. Does this take away from Tolkien's credibility? Hell no. But I also think you shouldn't take away Jackson's credibility for it either.

[Fortis]

My favorite directors (I'm picky)

M. Night Shyamalon (liked his directing not necesarily his writing)
Joe Wright
Peter Jackson

That's it.

Edit: I have a lot more favorite writers and cinematographers than directors.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

You must admit that a lot of those connections are tenuous at best.

Sorry, I meant to delete a few of those. I didn't mean to include all of those connections. I deleted a few of them, however, but the ones that, as I glanced them, were essentially "LOTR has a wizard - just like this other movie!"

[Chaos]

OK, I'm confused. Genuine question here...

Isaac, you say that you don't mind the borrowing of ideas as long as the source movie is good. You've stated that you think Bakshi's adaptation was good. Jackson has specifically stated that the shots in question (which, remember, were also described in the books, in part or in whole) were done with the imagery they were to pay homage to Bakshi's work. But you've said that Jackson stole those images from Bakshi's work, and applied rancor towards him because of it (among other things). Can you please clarify?

Incidentally, despite the fact that I loved Jackson's LotR movies, I do not "worship" him. By any means. He was very true to the books IN MANY AREAS. And in those areas that he stayed true to the books, the movie was breathtaking. It was when he deviated from the spirit of the books that the movie lost a lot of its momentum for me (pretending Aragorn was dead, Faramir taking the hobbits all the way back to Minas Tirith, pushing too far with the Arwen / Aragorn relationship, making Arwen's life tied to the fate of the ring, etc.). However, for me, these were temporary annoyances that did not ultimately detract from my enjoyment of the films. On the whole, the few areas where he deviated too far from the spirit of the books did not destroy the rest of the fantastic work that he did.

And going back to the whole "worship" thing again, I'll also say that I pretty much hated his adaptation of King Kong. I didn't think it was a very good movie at all. Some of the stuff he had in there was just absolutely incomprehensible. How does graphically showing giant insects slowly devouring men add ANYTHING to the story of a giant gorilla? My wife and I were quite disappointed by this movie, especially after he had done so well with LotR. It was a real letdown.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

Jackson has specifically stated that the shots in question (which, remember, were also described in the books, in part or in whole)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_%281978_film%29#Screenwriting_and_development

The scene where the Ringwraiths arrive in the hobbits' room and slash at their beds, only to find that they are not there, is not in the book, only the discovery of the aftermath. Also, Tolkien implies that the attack was carried out by agents of the Ringwraiths in Bree, possibly including one Bill Ferny, not the Ringwraiths themselves (though they were present in the town).

That's one. And Frodo hid separately from the other hobbits in the scene I posted pictures from both adaptations (which show practically the same shot). The line "Proudfeet!" is not in the book.

Isaac, you say that you don't mind the borrowing of ideas as long as the source movie is good.

I said that I didn't mind the borrowing of ideas as long as the film that uses borrowed ideas is good. Read more carefully next time. I was saying that if Jackson's films were good, it would be forgivable to borrow ideas. Most of the films that Jackson borrowed from are good.

[Chaos]

Ok, so your response to a genuine question with no attack or accusation in it is to continue to speak down to the other person, and continue to be rude.

Just checking, thanks.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

How was I speaking down to you? How was I being rude towards you? Asking that you read my posts more carefully is a valid suggestion. I wasn't being rude at all. You're way overreacting. Your response is kind of like if I had said "I like the color you chose to have your house painted in", and you responded with "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN, YOU HEARTLESS BASTARD??? ARE YOU SAYING I'M GAY??? YOU SON OF A BITCH!"

[Cosmic Muse]

I'm just wondering if we'll be seeing any characters from Lord of the Rings make cameos in Hobbit, like Elrond or Legolas (It could happen because he's Prince of Mirkwood.) and we know Gollum will be a given. Oh, and Liam Neeson should play Legolas' dad, Elven King of Mirkwood.

Ian McKellen was keen to reprise the part of Gandalf: Jackson had told him, "You must play Gandalf whether I direct or not." Andy Serkis also admitted, "I'd find it very hard to turn down [playing] Gollum again, as he's very much become a part of me." Orlando Bloom, Viggo Mortensen, Cate Blanchett, Elijah Wood and Christopher Lee have said they would reprise their roles as Legolas, Aragorn, Galadriel, Frodo Baggins and Saruman if they were required for either prequel. Composer Howard Shore had also said he has thought of some themes for the film.

This is very good news since it will provide alot of connectivity to the Lord of the Rings trilogy with such familiar characters.

[doggans]

I'm having extreme difficulty imagining how they'd fit Frodo, Galadriel, Aragorn, or Saruman in The Hobbit. Except for maybe in flashbacks/forwards or something.

[gbeenie]

Ah if we can but fully understand the meaning of that baked good then the secrets of the universe will be ours.

One ring pan to rule them all....

[Tripe]

two eggs to bind them.
1/2 cup sugar to sweeten them all
And in an oven set at 375, bake them.