Christopher Nolan

[Nunyerbiz]

So the point of the movie was that Batman is completely ineffective against a certain type of criminal?

seriously? that's what you are going with? pissing in the mouth of decades of comic lore... really? I thought Batman was the master detective.



it would probably just be easier to admit that TDK was flawed....

[Russell]

So the point of the movie was that Batman is completely ineffective against a certain type of criminal?
seriously? that's what you are going with? pissing in the mouth of decades of comic lore... really? I thought Batman was the master detective.
it would probably just be easier to admit that TDK was flawed....

I think you're still missing my point, be it intentionally or unintentionally. Part of the movie was what does Batman do when threatened with more people being murdered unless he turns himself in? It's not about being effectual or ineffectual Nun, it's about what your ethics tell you to do. you're acting like Batman can do anything, and that would be silly because it would reduce the dramatic tension in the film. Batman is not all-seeing and all-knowing, and if you'll recall, Batman came up with the cell-phone radar system, not Fox.

[Smith Dr John Smith]

I have to say Nolan does remind me quite a bit of Hitchcock.  Let me explain.  They both made popular thrillers that could be dismissed by critics as popcorn movies but they both made their movies with such craftsmen ship and their movie have some sort of subtext behind them that they easily stand toe to toe with most art house movies despite being popcorn flix.

Batman Begins explores the nature of justice and why the most popular Superheros don't kill in a way that had never been done before in a superhero movie.

The prestige and Inception were both in there own way about exploring the nature and structure of film,why we make films and why film have the effect on us that they do.

The Dark Knight was all about how the modern battlefield has changed.  It explore freedom vs.protection,the good of the person vs.the good of the group and it brought up the very real possibility that there is no way to win against a real sold out terrorist who don't care what happens to himself with out giving up your own morals and your own public image.

All of these movies did these thing under the cover of being popular thrillers so lots of people go to them and just like Hitchcock's work don't see anything beyond a thriller but I think the subtext is there if you are looking for it.  This and and the fact that his movies are so well shot and acted is what I think makes Nolan one of the best directors working today.

[Nunyerbiz]

So the point of the movie was that Batman is completely ineffective against a certain type of criminal?
seriously? that's what you are going with? pissing in the mouth of decades of comic lore... really? I thought Batman was the master detective.
it would probably just be easier to admit that TDK was flawed....

I think you're still missing my point, be it intentionally or unintentionally. Part of the movie was what does Batman do when threatened with more people being murdered unless he turns himself in? It's not about being effectual or ineffectual Nun, it's about what your ethics tell you to do. you're acting like Batman can do anything, and that would be silly because it would reduce the dramatic tension in the film. Batman is not all-seeing and all-knowing, and if you'll recall, Batman came up with the cell-phone radar system, not Fox.

Hmmm... I will have to watch the movie again then...  But there was no dramatic tension in the film to begin with because Joker was all seeing and all knowing. Anyway you want to slice it, the dues ex machina has been a lame literary device for centuries... and TDK needed one in a big way to come to a conclusion.

And for the record, I'm hardly trying to slam Nolan... I said from the beginning that I've enjoyed every movie of his that I've seen, TDK included, but I don't think the guy walks on water. The Prestige and Memento are great movies... Inception needs a crapload of exposition for it's premise to hold water, but is pretty damn good as well. I thought Batman Begins was excellent... and TDK was slightly disappointing by comparison.. but hardly a bad film.