Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi (2017) (spoilers free to be seen)

[Henry88]

This thread says spoilers welcome, but I don't know if that still means keeping them in spoiler tags.

no need for tags here,spoilers are free to be seen.

[The Lurker]

Spoiler tags are still helpful.  I don't know about anyone else, but I prefer to hang out in the "Recent Posts" area.

[Darth Geek]

This thread says spoilers welcome, but I don't know if that still means keeping them in spoiler tags.

no need for tags here,spoilers are free to be seen.

Thanks. I edited my post to unhide the spoilers.

[Henry88]

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[Kete]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

[Henry88]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

it seems like taking out the trash to most people.

[Cyrusso]

I wonder what Imrahil and Lesbunny will have to say. They'll probably hate it... just a guess though.

[NRRork]

It really says something for Ian McDarmand because I realized just now the Emperor was on screen about as much as Snoke, and before the prequels, pretend they don't exist-- for real instead of how you just SAY you pretend they don't exist-- his backstory his gone, the fact that his first name is Sheev is gone-- all we know about him is in the original trilogy!

Not much different, right? We basically know his name, that he's the head bad guy, he's manipulating everything, wants to rule the galaxy. And yet they're VERY different, Snoke is considered underdeveloped while the Emperor is one of the most memorable villains of all time. Even though I AGREE with that, I have a hard time really explaining why.

Sorry, I'm rambling. The edible little movie helpers I made worked spectacularly last night and I have leftovers. I adapted a really simple fudge recipe I have-- I deliberately changed that from "I made fudge". Which is a problem I had with this, because what's the euphamism to use here? I can't use the one they use for brownies, you can't say "I made special fudge!" because, well, same invitation to a misunderstanding, isn't it?

[Imrahil]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

Then why fucking use them?

I hate that this trilogy poisons the enjoyment I have (had?--I was reading a ROTJ story to my son last night and it just made me sad to see the bullshit lie of the ending) of the OT.

[Kete]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

Then why fucking use them?

I hate that this trilogy poisons the enjoyment I have (had?--I was reading a ROTJ story to my son last night and it just made me sad to see the bullshit lie of the ending) of the OT.

...and then 30 years later they all died. Good night!

[Cyrusso]

Think you guys are missing something very important that seemed abundantly clear in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, it doesn't matter if your heroes die, as long as they die for something important. In Han's case it was meant to show that he was willing to risk all to try and save his son, so that was dramatically important for us. Though that obviously didn't work out as he and maybe some of us the audience would have liked, it still served as an impetus for both Finn and Rey. Be brave, even in the face of death. Luke died for something too, to exhaust himself to selflessly save lives and what was left of the resistance. Pardon me, but it seems to me that you want to live in a world of untouchable heroes, but that just isn't the reality. Even in a fantasy world, you must have some elements connected to the reality of the situation, otherwise your drama is meaningless. That doesn't mean you can't cheat or avoid death by some means, but that's not always an option for whatever reason. I've said this a million times before, but just like Mccoy said in Star Trek 2, "He's really not dead, as long as we remember him", so please bear that in mind. The ending of the Last Jedi if nothing else is a spiritual ending that should leave you inspired and reminded of why we love Star Wars so much. That's what I took away from it anyway. If you can't appreciate the movie for that, then frankly... I don't know what to tell you.

[PsychoGoatee]

I really dug the movie, great stuff! Had high expectations, was a little dubious on if it would live up to the hype, but for me it hit the spot. It subverted some tropes/expectations while also being another genuine Star Wars adventure to me. I dig it.

On the above topic about killing off characters, I will say, going into this, one of my hopes was (this spoiler post includes some unnamed Harry Potter spoilers by the way) that they didn't kill off Luke Skywalker in this movie. Just because to me that is a bit of a cliche, killing off a key character each movie, can feel a bit formulaic. Here's a non-specific spoiler for the Harry Potter movies, well, I felt they kind of did that for several of those. Like it's part of the routine, got to hit that beat etc. So I would've liked Luke to at least stick around until Episode 9, could still end up dying, but what's the rush?

That said, even though I would've liked Luke to make it, or make it for one more movie after this, I did like how he got to do it a different way, not just a shock moment. It was him doing it on his own terms and kind of being zen / jedi master about it, plus getting to use a new cool jedi superpower along the way. And it got to be kind of fun. And if anybody deserves to have a lot of screentime as a Jedi spirit in the next one, it's Luke.

Big shoes to fill, and for me I do kind of look at these new ones as their own thing, even though it's canon, so I don't have to give it this huge weight of really living up to the original trilogy, which is almost impossible for me. Though honestly, when Luke had that wonder in his eyes, talking to R2 and whatnot, the tone of his voice etc, it really hit me with the Star Wars feels and nostalgia. Can't wait for the next ones.

[Edward J Grug III]

I cannot believe Adrian Edmondson was in a Star War. :O

[Imrahil]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

Then why fucking use them?

I hate that this trilogy poisons the enjoyment I have (had?--I was reading a ROTJ story to my son last night and it just made me sad to see the bullshit lie of the ending) of the OT.

...and then 30 years later they all died. Good night!

It's not that they died. It's that they were completely  miserable and everything they "won" turns out to be hollow and meaningless. All to create a reset button to add to the story that was finished. Luke and Han weren't getting their stories finished, they were being rewritten and used to make Disney's characters seem more important.

That's what makes me so sad. They're now pointless and their victory is hollow.

[Kete]

I don't get the hate for killing off characters.  If it serves the story, then it should happen.  The story is more important than any character.

In the case of the new trilogy, it serves the story best to get rid of all the original characters.  Look to the future.

Then why fucking use them?

I hate that this trilogy poisons the enjoyment I have (had?--I was reading a ROTJ story to my son last night and it just made me sad to see the bullshit lie of the ending) of the OT.

...and then 30 years later they all died. Good night!

It's not that they died. It's that they were completely  miserable and everything they "won" turns out to be hollow and meaningless. All to create a reset button to add to the story that was finished. Luke and Han weren't getting their stories finished, they were being rewritten and used to make Disney's characters seem more important.

That's what makes me so sad. They're now pointless and their victory is hollow.

What about when Obi Wan died? Or when Yoda died? I think the only difference is your emotional attachment to them. What did either of them accomplish with their deaths?

As part of the heroes journey, your mentors must be removed from the story.

And Han's story was absolutely not complete until he sacrificed himself. That is the only reasonable ending to his arc, and not dying in Jedi is one of the main problems with it.