Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilertastic Thread

[Tripe]

The thing is, if you're older than about 15 and unreservedly love any movie, you're perhaps a wee bit too uncritical in your appreciation of things. But finding niggles shouldn't cause the whole thing to be ruined for you. That goes o the whole suspension of disbelief thing.

Déjà vu, and here I thought we were done with the suspension of disbelief topic....

It is possible to have a few complaints about something and still like it.  Movies are like people, not one is perfect, blindly ignoring any flaws is just as unhealthy as obsessing over them.

Exactly.

[Johnny Unusual]

I can't imagine anyone who would find Jaws doesn't work for them because you can't actually explode a shark like that.  As long as the internal logic of the movie works, it's fine.  And heck, there are some times when even when the internal logic is broken it still works or can even be improved (when done right, of course).

[Tripe]

And now, to honor what I said earlier, a quibble I had with Jaws. Brody's taste in wine is shit.

Or was that stuff brought by Hooper (I might be confusing the wine purchases with The Goodbye Girl now)

Anyway, terrible wine!

[Darth Geek]

And now, to honor what I said earlier, a quibble I had with Jaws. Brody's taste in wine is shit.

Or was that stuff brought by Hooper (I might be confusing the wine purchases with The Goodbye Girl now)

Anyway, terrible wine!

I think the wine was brought by Hooper. Which doesn't make it any better because he is established as being wealthy and educated, so you'd think he'd know about wine.

[Russell AKA Soguru]

This is a bit of a continuation of an earlier post I made, and I hope it finally puts a lot of certain opinions to rest. I can look past scientific impossibilities in movies, just as long as I care about the characters in the stories of our films. Look at it this way: It's kind of like someone you love and they firmly believe in God. Do you stop loving them(or worse yet, do you hate them, belittle or degrade them) just because you have very opposing, conflicting ideas about the nature of the universe?  Of course not, and you don't continuously call them out for their beliefs because it's a very personal, very important thing that somehow helps them. Am I saying Star Wars is like a religion? Maybe, but I think it's more accurate to say that the force is more of a religion than anything else. My point is this: Star Wars is a science fantasy epic that has always mingled two very obvious things together: science and fantasy... the later undeniably much more heavily than the former. So don't be surprised if something exceeds the realm of the scientifically plausible.

So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Darth Geek]

Considering the science fiction of Star Wars is completely separate from discussions about the Force.
I think we're more willing to accept scientific impossibilities because it is clearly VERY advanced technologically relative to us.

[Tripe]

Thing is Star Wars is a fantasy movie with technological trappings.

Might as well talk about how the Eye of Sauron doesn't work with any laws of science applicable to telecommunication.

[Tripe]

Though I will say contemplating the budget meeting for the Star Killer has fun potential.

[Parker_Hylton]

I keep hearing people say the Starkiller was "one-shot."  Was that a book-only thing or did they say that in the movie?  I don't recall it moving after it fired the first time, I assumed that it drew power to fire from the star that it orbited, but didn't drain the whole thing with one shot.

If we're breaking it down into weird "magic works because THIS" thing, I could understand it if say
1.) You have techno-babble ammo and "load her up" before each shot.
2.) Then you drain some (but not all) plasma from the nearby star.  This "charges" the  weapon with power to shoot the techno-babble ammo.
3.) Ammo is rare and expensive, star-draining takes a long time but...makes a good excuse for matching the impression I got from the movie.

Oh, forgot to add:  Ammo is delicate enough that one old human, one old wookie, a "not even a jedi yet" jedi, and a bumbling stormtrooper can blow up a planet with a satchel charge while never being bothered by a planet's worth of stormtroopers.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Though I will say contemplating the budget meeting for the Star Killer has fun potential.

Yeah, the massive fleet of ships they could have built instead of hollowing out a planet would have been enough to overwhelm any opponent....

But it is somewhat realistic, historically there have been many despots that squander resources on super-weapons.

[SJP]

Cracked has numerous examples.  A search of "Weapons of War" on there will bring up at least 20 articles about hilariously stupid (and real) weapons that were built for awe-inspiring purposes, but proved to be some of the stupidest, most pointless things money was ever wasted on.

EDIT: The one in particular I was thinking of was the 2B1 Oka Nuclear Cannon developed by Soviet Russia.  The thing was a copy of the U.S. M-65, with the unfortunate side effect of destroying itself after firing a shot.  There's actually also an article called "5 Real-Life Death Stars," which I didn't know about until today, that actually does have numerous weapons/fortress defeated by a single, stupid oversight.  Like the rest of the early days of Cracked, they are addictive and thought-provoking history lessons...and funny as hell.

[Tripe]

Working in an institution the meetings would have to be hilarious as the representatives of the fleet and other stake holders passive aggressively snipe at each other while being unable to prevent the green lighting of the base...

[MartyS (Gromit)]

So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.

If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA will you avoid it?  There would be jokes pointing out all it's flaws.

How can you really enjoy something without thinking about it?  And when you think about stuff you reveal the greatness and also any flaws.  Even for movies I love and have watched dozens of times I can point to moments that I wish were not there or could have been better, doesn't mean I won't watch those movies many more times in the future and enjoy the heck out of them each time.

[Darth Geek]

So I'm delicately trying to say... TFA gave me a great story with new characters I can love and care about again. If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.

If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA will you avoid it?  There would be jokes pointing out all it's flaws.

How can you really enjoy something without thinking about it?  And when you think about stuff you reveal the greatness and also any flaws.  Even for movies I love and have watched dozens of times I can point to moments that I wish were not there or could have been better, doesn't mean I won't watch those movies many more times in the future and enjoy the heck out of them each time.

It doesn't mean that he doesn't think about it. It just means that what flaws he sees aren't deal breakers to him.

[Tripe]

If we ever get a Rifftrax of TFA

I think that's a given.