Re: Prometheus (2011)

[Nunyerbiz]

I'm not a big Alien franchise fan... I loved the first two movies, having seen them a shitload of times growing up during their initial HBO runs... but I'm not somebody who could tell you the backstory of Westland-Yutari or whatever 'the corporation' is named... That said, Alien 3 and whatever they titled Alien 4... yea... those movies were shit.. at least when compared to what preceded them... and it still pisses me off that they were the only ones released when I was old enough to waste my money seeing them in the theater.

[mrbasehart]

Spoiler

That's what I shouted when I saw the film the first time around.

[Relaxing Dragon]

Many a stupid decision was made by characters over the course of the film (to the point where things were dangerously close to becoming an idiot plot), but weirdly enough that wasn't the one I was the most annoyed with.

The biologist trying to pet the alien snake thing. That one got me. This is the biologist who was previously too scared to even get near a dead alien (and who was now standing in the room just past the thing he was formerly terrified of, now with no problems at all), seeing something that was iffy looking at best, seeing it on an unknown alien world where they knew jack/diddly about their surroundings... and reaching out to pet it and make friends.

Yeah... no.

This FAQ on the movie does a good job of summing things up: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/06/robs_prometheus_faq.php

[goflyblind]

This FAQ on the movie does a good job of summing things up: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/06/robs_prometheus_faq.php

i think "Couldn't see his dong; I don't know for sure." is possibly the best answer to any question ever.

[Tyrant]

Tyrant?

(and I say possible because we still have no clue how a xenomorph egg got on board the Sulaco in Aliens to cause all the trouble it does in Alien 3 and Bishop is the primary suspect)

The queen was onboard the Sulaco and the dropship. I'd just assume that she laid another egg and no one caught sight of it. Newt, Bishop and Ripley were a bit preoccupied at the time. Bishop need not be involved at all. (Yeah, there was the giant egg-laying apparatus that she had in the nest, but that may have been to mass produce egg-laying rather than to lay a single one. Being completely immobile to reproduce doesn't seem to be the xenomorphs' style.

And did they ever deduce why River was made of chocolate?

Eh, I'll go ahead and spoiler this just in case:

The Queen carrying it on board has been the biggest assumption. Although most people state it's never seen on her body during the whole chase through the atmosphere processor and such before she supposedly laid it somewhere on the drop ship, presumably she could have had it up in her sweet spot where she detached from the egg sack the whole time. Bishop's involvement makes slightly more sense just based on visuals. He lies about how much time they have before the processor goes kablooey. He supposedly takes off because the platform is "too unstable" for the drop ship (Hicks is already out so he wouldn't know). He sets it down somewhere and, being a droid, safely descends into the bowels of the processor without getting attacked if he stays out of the xenomorphs' way, grabs an egg, high tails it back to the drop ship while Ripley is having her showdown with the queen, attaches the egg to the ship, and counts on Ripley having too much on her mind to notice the thing on the side of the hull. Ergo, Bishop has fullfilled his Weyland/Yutani programming.

The problem with either assumption is that the eggs are supposedly triggered by movement close by. Who would be moving around when everyone is in stasis when the egg is shown to have (freshly) hatched in Alien 3? Moreover, where the egg is seen is not the cargo hold where the drop ship would have been, but by the looks of things all the way up in the stasis chamber nearer to human prey. Moreover, in a really obvious space on the wall that couldn't possibly be missed.

In reality, here's what probably really happened: There was no way to get the alien on board the Sulaco logically so everyone at the studio threw their hands up in the air and said,"Hell with it. Let's throw one in there anyway! We have to make a sequel!" and they did assuming we, the fans, would spend the next decade and some change trying to figure out how it got on board and do all the work for them.

Also I forgot to mention that my experience with Prometheus was greatly enhanced by the fact that, possibly due to either noise or how I was sitting (or both), I got a unique and free 4-D treatment as the baby wouldn't stop moving the entire movie. Moving/rumbling seats, my ass.

[Sideswipe]

Hahaha, you'll be paying for that rumble feedback entertainment later!  By the way, check your PM's once in a while!!  :-P

[Rainbow Dash]

move along...

[Relaxing Dragon]

I'd be annoyed and point out that Base already posted that, but instead I'll just use this:



Because any excuse is a good excuse when it comes to using that gif.

[mrbasehart]

Tyrant?

(and I say possible because we still have no clue how a xenomorph egg got on board the Sulaco in Aliens to cause all the trouble it does in Alien 3 and Bishop is the primary suspect)

The queen was onboard the Sulaco and the dropship. I'd just assume that she laid another egg and no one caught sight of it. Newt, Bishop and Ripley were a bit preoccupied at the time. Bishop need not be involved at all. (Yeah, there was the giant egg-laying apparatus that she had in the nest, but that may have been to mass produce egg-laying rather than to lay a single one. Being completely immobile to reproduce doesn't seem to be the xenomorphs' style.

And did they ever deduce why River was made of chocolate?

Eh, I'll go ahead and spoiler this just in case:

The Queen carrying it on board has been the biggest assumption. Although most people state it's never seen on her body during the whole chase through the atmosphere processor and such before she supposedly laid it somewhere on the drop ship, presumably she could have had it up in her sweet spot where she detached from the egg sack the whole time. Bishop's involvement makes slightly more sense just based on visuals. He lies about how much time they have before the processor goes kablooey. He supposedly takes off because the platform is "too unstable" for the drop ship (Hicks is already out so he wouldn't know). He sets it down somewhere and, being a droid, safely descends into the bowels of the processor without getting attacked if he stays out of the xenomorphs' way, grabs an egg, high tails it back to the drop ship while Ripley is having her showdown with the queen, attaches the egg to the ship, and counts on Ripley having too much on her mind to notice the thing on the side of the hull. Ergo, Bishop has fullfilled his Weyland/Yutani programming.

The problem with either assumption is that the eggs are supposedly triggered by movement close by. Who would be moving around when everyone is in stasis when the egg is shown to have (freshly) hatched in Alien 3? Moreover, where the egg is seen is not the cargo hold where the drop ship would have been, but by the looks of things all the way up in the stasis chamber nearer to human prey. Moreover, in a really obvious space on the wall that couldn't possibly be missed.

In reality, here's what probably really happened: There was no way to get the alien on board the Sulaco logically so everyone at the studio threw their hands up in the air and said,"Hell with it. Let's throw one in there anyway! We have to make a sequel!" and they did assuming we, the fans, would spend the next decade and some change trying to figure out how it got on board and do all the work for them.

Also I forgot to mention that my experience with Prometheus was greatly enhanced by the fact that, possibly due to either noise or how I was sitting (or both), I got a unique and free 4-D treatment as the baby wouldn't stop moving the entire movie. Moving/rumbling seats, my ass.

How'd that make you feel during - that - scene?

[Raefire]

Well...That was...okay. Felt more like a Part 1 more than anything, really.

Still a bit miffed Scott went with all pretty shiny new tech. I hope his sequel to this explains how it devolved from iPads and holograms to punch cards and one monochrome monitor....

[mrbasehart]

Well...That was...okay. Felt more like a Part 1 more than anything, really.

Still a bit miffed Scott went with all pretty shiny new tech. I hope his sequel to this explains how it devolved from iPads and holograms to punch cards and one monochrome monitor....

I think that's pretty easy to explain - Prometheus was cutting edge space scientists, while Alien was space-truckers. 

[Sideswipe]

Not all truckers are created equal.

[mrbasehart]

Some are more equal than others.

[Nunyerbiz]

Well...That was...okay. Felt more like a Part 1 more than anything, really.

Still a bit miffed Scott went with all pretty shiny new tech. I hope his sequel to this explains how it devolved from iPads and holograms to punch cards and one monochrome monitor....

I think that's pretty easy to explain - Prometheus was cutting edge space scientists, while Alien was space-truckers. 

No.. they were space hipsters and employed monochrome monitors and punch cards ironically... which explains why the alien was so eager to skull fuck every one of their torsos in half.

[Russell]

the alien was so eager to skull fuck every one of their torsos in half.

Oh I can see tha--- huh?!