George Lucas Making More Changes For Star Wars Blu-Ray Release

[Prince of Space 5049]

My five year son is not a particularly huge SW fan, he's watched some of the Clone Wars here and there but never really got attached to it... About his only real tie to the franchise is playing Lego Star Wars on the Wii... But he has reminded me that I am taking him to see TPM:3D pretty much every time he catches one of the TV commercials... so I guess Lucas gets a few more of my ducats. I was strongly considering the iPod / Rifftrax combo in the theater... but then it would become "what are you listening to Dad?, why do you keep pausing that for a split second Dad?, can I listen Dad? Why are you laughing Dad?" ... yea, you get the picture... no rifftrax for me.

Show that little dude some Galactic Senate debates. Little dudes LOVE Galactic Senate debates!

"I like the water"

[Russell]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

[Darth Geek]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

[Russell]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

And like the Teletubbies they will eventually outgrow them. But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

[Watchman]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

And like the Teletubbies they will eventually outgrow them. But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

But they have plenty of things within them to outgrow. Most obvious one would be Ewoks (you have outgrown them, I hope).
Other things to outgrow: Jabba's Texas Blues Rock. Getting a bad feeling about "getting a bad feeling about this". Repetitive shots of fighter pilots speeding close to the surface of the death star. The Emperor's annoying "greedy prospector" laugh. More laughing from the Emperor. The Emperor laughing while zapping. Any concern over the Ewoks roasting the protagonists for BBQ. Losing the pleasant associations you used to have with the name "Skywalker". And if you're a spiritual child who grows up into an existential atheist, you'll roll your eyes every time a character says "The Force" or "The Dark Side". God is dead and the emperor's still cackling.

Hmm, it just occurred to me that the emperor's demise by vader bears some striking similarities to Coleman Francis throwing the dude down the well in Red Zone Cuba. Could it be?!

[doggans]

But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

Sadly, the number of acquaintances I have who were fun, nerdy kids but grew up to become boring, serious adults would dispute that theory.

[daltysmilth]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

And like the Teletubbies they will eventually outgrow them. But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

I still think if the prequels had come out 10 years earlier people would have liked them as much as the original trilogy.

[D.B. Barnes]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

And like the Teletubbies they will eventually outgrow them. But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

I still think if the prequels had come out 10 years earlier people would have liked them as much as the original trilogy.

That's an interesting theory. Care to explain why?

[daltysmilth]

"I like the water"

Somebody tell me truthfully, do children REALLY like the prequels? Like watch them over and over in one day?

I'm sure they do. They're the Teletubbies of the Star Wars universe.

And like the Teletubbies they will eventually outgrow them. But there is no outgrowing the original trilogy.

I still think if the prequels had come out 10 years earlier people would have liked them as much as the original trilogy.

That's an interesting theory. Care to explain why?

The problem with the prequels, or at least Episode I, as I see it, is that there was so much expectation built up for it for so long that there's no way Lucas could have fulfilled everyone's expectations.  If there had been less time for people to build up those expectations, it would have been much easier to satisfy them.

[Russell]

The problem with the prequels, or at least Episode I, as I see it, is that there was so much expectation built up for it for so long that there's no way Lucas could have fulfilled everyone's expectations.  If there had been less time for people to build up those expectations, it would have been much easier to satisfy them.

A lot of people have tried to play that card DaltySmith, but for one thing history has shown us that even in the cases of built up expectations, a movie was considered an artistic failure anyway... example: Star Trek the Motion picture, perhaps even the Lost in Space movie... did Lost in Space ever have any hardcore fans though?

[Prince of Space 5049]

The problem with the prequels, or at least Episode I, as I see it, is that there was so much expectation built up for it for so long that there's no way Lucas could have fulfilled everyone's expectations.  If there had been less time for people to build up those expectations, it would have been much easier to satisfy them.

A lot of people have tried to play that card DaltySmith, but for one thing history has shown us that even in the cases of built up expectations, a movie was considered an artistic failure anyway... example: Star Trek the Motion picture, perhaps even the Lost in Space movie... did Lost in Space ever have any hardcore fans though?

For me, the best reason this argument doesn't hold up is "The Lord of the Rings".  Most fans were very hesitant to embrace this ambitious project.  After all, how could these films possibly live up to books that had been cherished for decades by readers.  There simply was NO way they could satisfy the masses.  We had all put our own images in our own minds of the characters and settings.

Well, what happened?  A masterful triumph in most opinions.

[doggans]

TELL THAT TO FARAMIR. 

//not actually too bitter about that
//even though I still disapprove

[Darth Geek]

Even when Return of the Jedi came out, weren't there people complaining about the Ewoks? (Rightfully so, I might add) The difference being that there is so much elst in RotJ that is great, whereas the prequels are full on, beginning to end, "Ewok primitive culture beating technology" style bullshit mistakes that are inherantly bad ideas from the get go.

[daltysmilth]

The problem with the prequels, or at least Episode I, as I see it, is that there was so much expectation built up for it for so long that there's no way Lucas could have fulfilled everyone's expectations.  If there had been less time for people to build up those expectations, it would have been much easier to satisfy them.

A lot of people have tried to play that card DaltySmith, but for one thing history has shown us that even in the cases of built up expectations, a movie was considered an artistic failure anyway... example: Star Trek the Motion picture, perhaps even the Lost in Space movie... did Lost in Space ever have any hardcore fans though?

For me, the best reason this argument doesn't hold up is "The Lord of the Rings".  Most fans were very hesitant to embrace this ambitious project.  After all, how could these films possibly live up to books that had been cherished for decades by readers.  There simply was NO way they could satisfy the masses.  We had all put our own images in our own minds of the characters and settings.

Well, what happened?  A masterful triumph in most opinions.

But see, the thing with Lord of the Rings was that people realized that there was no way the movies could live up to all of their expectations from the books.  In fact, I bet a lot of fans of the books thought the movies were going to suck.  Plus, Lord of the Rings fans only had the three books, the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, and whatever crappy books Christopher Tolkien was able to cobble together from his father's notes, a couple of text adventures, the Rankin Baas animated movies, and the Ralph Bakshi one.

Star Wars, on the other hand had the movies, a couple of cartoons, a couple of made-for-tv movies, video games, and dozens of novels and graphic novels published on a regular basis every year from 1991 forward, all building up people's expectations to unrealistic levels.

[daltysmilth]

Consider, for contrast, Ang Lee's Hulk movie.  Fans of the comic all agree that it was the worst abomination ever committed by a human, and that Ang Lee is worse than Hitler for making it.  I, on the other hand, thought it was pretty good, and I bet a lot of others who haven't read the comics would agree.

Or the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy movie.  With a few exceptions, whether or not you liked the movie seemed to correspond with whether you were a fan of the story in some other medium.  People who were fans of the books, TV show, Radio Show, computer game, or towel all seemed to hate it.  Those who hadn't seen or heard the story in some other medium seemed to like it.  I was one of the rare fans of the books who liked the movie, but mainly because I knew and expected going in that it was going to be different from the books.