2007 Oscars

[mrbasehart]

Wasn't Nanook found out to be staged by the director?

[6079SmithW]

Wasn't Nanook found out to be staged by the director?

Parts of it, pretty much. On the other hand, it's a really good movie, so that doesn't really worry me. If I wanted absolute historical accuracy, I would be more interested in a book or something, documentaries are films and as such are often changed to fit the structure of one.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

if all this is true about documentaries, and no REAL information is supposed to be passed cant we just change the name of the category to propaganda.

[6079SmithW]

if all this is true about documentaries, and no REAL information is supposed to be passed cant we just change the name of the category to propaganda.

Hey, Triumph of the Will is a documentary, too. All film is propaganda.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

not true,  you just go and try tell me what opinion blue brothers was trying to put forth 

[6079SmithW]

not true,  you just go and try tell me what opinion blue brothers was trying to put forth 

Misogynistic undertones, in that most of the visible women, Aretha Franklin and Carrie Fischer most notably, were trying to keep the band and therefore the fun from happening.

Irresponsibility, in that the viewpoint that it's perfectly ok to abandon your homelife and throw your career away because you want to go have fun is strongly implied.

Want me to go on? I'm good at this, but it's not always fun.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

sure i can go on i think its funny.

lets see how about........... 

jaws

or

Wallace & Gromit in The Curse of the Were-Rabbit

[6079SmithW]

sure i can go on i think its funny.

lets see how about........... 

jaws

or

Wallace & Gromit in The Curse of the Were-Rabbit

Oh, Jaws is easy, dangers of unfettered capitalism. The beach should have been closed, but the mayor (I think) refused to do so out of greed and unwillingness to lose money. The movie is arguing the value of human life over tourism, money, etc. Granted, that's not a particularly debatable point, but I haven't seen the movie for a while and can't remember the more detailed ones.

Wallace and Gromit? Gromit is a completely feudal servant, willing to serve his master for no real reward and in spite of the fact that he is the more capable and useful individual. This is British class propaganda, my friend.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

gromit is also a dog, a talking dog perhaps but a dog, his actions therefore are no different than any other dogs.

[6079SmithW]

gromit is also a dog, a talking dog perhaps but a dog, his actions therefore are no different than any other dogs.

Oh, that's speciesism, right there. If he is as intelligent and capable as a human, he shouldn't be treated like an animal. Speciesist.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

eh'  hes just lucky we dont eat him

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Sarcasm,  why is it a liberal thing to care about the environment?  Even Bill O'Reilly came down on the side of global warming last night on 60 Minutes.  The closest thing to a political statement in Happy Feet was about how over-fishing the oceans is dwindling the food sources for these penguins.   It's not a liberal or conservative statement at all to notice this or to acknowledge the levels of mercury in fish due to industrial pollution.

No i agree with you, it is everbodys problem, personally I like the taste of fish, the concept that is getting harder and less safe to eat fish actually makes me very angry.  However there is a big difference between argument and propaganda.  Which do you think the movie about the sad starving penguins, and the evil penguin imprisoning humans is? 

Um, no offense, but this 'liberalism" isn't exactly a new thing. In fact, it might be described as "Every well known disney kids film". Bambi anyone?

I think Happy Feet is a movie that presents certain music with cute CGI penguins.


Personally, I never watch the Oscars unless Jon Stewart is involved.

[6079SmithW]

eh'  hes just lucky we dont eat him

Any more? I'm kidding around here, but I do geniunely think that nearly every film ever made espouses a viewpoint and is therefore propaganda, intentionally or not. It is therefore, in my opinion, not a fair criticism in many cases. However, it does bother me when movies alter reality into an unrecognizable form to make their point, as this becomes a strawman argument, and Moore at his worse can be fairly accused of doing so. I don't fully agree, but it's not something I would debate.

[Variety of Cells]

Wasn't Nanook found out to be staged by the director?

Parts of it, pretty much. On the other hand, it's a really good movie, so that doesn't really worry me. If I wanted absolute historical accuracy, I would be more interested in a book or something, documentaries are films and as such are often changed to fit the structure of one.

It was staged on both ends, by Nanook and the director.  They both wanted to create a film that showed how Nanook's people used to live, before a lot of the influence of our culture.  For example, Nanook had guns and standing houses, but they never used them in the film.  It is false in that it doesn't portray how they were living at the time, but it is also the truth, in that it portrays exactly how they used to live.  And I feel it is a much more important and useful document than just taking a camera and filming how they actually lived.  None of what they did in the film was made up, it's just not what they normally do any more. 

One story that I find amazing is that for the scenes inside the igloo, they couldn't get enough light inside to expose the film.  So they built a separate igloo that was only half an igloo.  And you see the whole family getting undressed and under the blankets.  Can you even imagine how insanely cold that must have been?  And all for the sake of making a film that accurately depicted how they used to live.  I feel it's more of a documentary then most films, because it actual documents something, and shows you exactly how it's done, and what their life used to be like.

[starfighter]

gromit is also a dog, a talking dog perhaps but a dog, his actions therefore are no different than any other dogs.

    Sorry, but Gromit doesn't talk.