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[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

That is just the most insane thing I've ever heard...figuring out a character's name in the movie by its action figure. That's some crack writing there.

I don't think it's the writing. I think Bay and Hasbro have formed an unholy alliance. Bay provides movies that are
incredibly confusing and Hasbro fills all the plot holes in with the descriptions with their action figures. You can't understand
one without the other.

Well, since they evidently can change appearance at will (the Twins behind the screen), you never can know for sure which one you're looking at, do you?

Could they do that in the cartoon?  Or is this a Bay invention?

[RoninFox]

In the first episode of the old cartoon, they got rebuilt after a crash to be able to transform into Earth machines.  There was a device on the ship that took care of that.  Without that device, pretty sure they're stuck with whatever forms they have.

[Darth Geek]

In the first episode of the old cartoon, they got rebuilt after a crash to be able to transform into Earth machines.  There was a device on the ship that took care of that.  Without that device, pretty sure they're stuck with whatever forms they have.

Yeah, that is what I remember from the show. In TF: The Movie, Unicron was able to transform Megatron and others by a morphing effect.

The very idea of morphing from one form to another entirely negates the need to transform at all. Seriously. Michael f$%#@ed up the TITLE DESCRIPTION!

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

In the first episode of the old cartoon, they got rebuilt after a crash to be able to transform into Earth machines.  There was a device on the ship that took care of that.  Without that device, pretty sure they're stuck with whatever forms they have.

Yeah, that is what I remember from the show. In TF: The Movie, Unicron was able to transform Megatron and others by a morphing effect.

The very idea of morphing from one form to another entirely negates the need to transform at all. Seriously. Michael f$%#@ed up the TITLE DESCRIPTION!

Well then how are you EVER supposed to be able to tell them apart visually (even to each other) since what they were as a vehicle becomes part of their robot appearance - the doors of the truck cab on his chest, for instance.

[Cosmic Muse]

In the first episode of the old cartoon, they got rebuilt after a crash to be able to transform into Earth machines.  There was a device on the ship that took care of that.  Without that device, pretty sure they're stuck with whatever forms they have.

Which would have been inanimate scrap metal. :p The G1 series would have been very short then.

[Indomitus]

In the first episode of the old cartoon, they got rebuilt after a crash to be able to transform into Earth machines.  There was a device on the ship that took care of that.  Without that device, pretty sure they're stuck with whatever forms they have.

Yeah, that is what I remember from the show. In TF: The Movie, Unicron was able to transform Megatron and others by a morphing effect.

The very idea of morphing from one form to another entirely negates the need to transform at all. Seriously. Michael f$%#@ed up the TITLE DESCRIPTION!

Well then how are you EVER supposed to be able to tell them apart visually (even to each other) since what they were as a vehicle becomes part of their robot appearance - the doors of the truck cab on his chest, for instance.

You're trying to find logic, and all you'll find is an aneurysm.
The original cartoon was neat, but not really deep or thorough in its science.  Take that and MichaelBay-ify it, and, well...  Just let it go.  You'll only hurt yourself.

[Red Tape]

I've seen the movie twice (both times with Rifftrax, I'm not stupid) and I have not heard the cycles called Arcee. Is it covered by a riff?

They are referred to a couple of times, but the only way you can catch it is with the subtitles on because it's in the background chatter. What I was wondering is why they were calling them twins when there were clearly three of them. So one of them actually had a different name . . . I still wanna know why they were even twins to begin with. It's a Bay movie, why even ask, right?

Maybe it was really "Arcee, Twins".  That would explain why there are three of them. Of course, this movie has so much fast talking that a pause for a comma just doesn't seem possible.

[Relaxing Dragon]

Am I the only one who only saw two twins? I mean, I realize I wasn't paying the hardest attention to the movie (I don't hate my brain that much), but I just remember two blithering stereotypical idiots. Not three.

...speaking of those particular bots, I mean.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

Am I the only one who only saw two twins? I mean, I realize I wasn't paying the hardest attention to the movie (I don't hate my brain that much), but I just remember two blithering stereotypical idiots. Not three.

...speaking of those particular bots, I mean.

Yeah....they were the two halves of the ice cream truck....

When they crashed in the chase in China there was only the two of them there - beating on each other.

[Darth Geek]

Am I the only one who only saw two twins? I mean, I realize I wasn't paying the hardest attention to the movie (I don't hate my brain that much), but I just remember two blithering stereotypical idiots. Not three.

...speaking of those particular bots, I mean.

They were referring to Arcee, the three motorcycles.

One thing I will at least have to give this movie credit for. It seemed like they used their wheels more in robot mode. Something I was actually (shockingly) impressed with in the first one when the one Decepticon on the highway used his wheels like roller blades. It has been a long time, but I don't remember them doing that in the cartoon. I thought it was one of the only creative things they did in the first one, and it looks like they upped that in the second.

[Darth Geek]

I was talking with a friend of mine who hates Bayformers as much as I do and the topic of scanning other things, "Why don't all of the Decepticons just scan Optimus Prime and clean house?"

[Darth Geek]

I think the only reason Quiptracks didn't riff this movie is because, while Glen Morshower is in this, he does not reassign anyone.