Spiderman, Rebooted

[ScottotD]

No, I meant Bane, although I've never really read DC. Did Brainiac do something cooler than killing Kal-El?

[TeamRAD]

I'm not denying the girth of Spidey's RG. It's splendid. I just only find one truly gripping.

Agreed but most heroes have one major villian and then a collection.  Superman and Spider-man are the only two individuals who spring to mind with more than one (Lex and Bane, Osborne and Venom) but Supe's second tier is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less impressive than Spidey's.

I think you need to add DocOck to the list of major villains, but he's second tier...along w/ Venom. Osbourne will forever reign as the king. 

[ScottotD]

Oh yeah, Oc is cool.  Everyone is under Osbourne though,


....he killed the woman he loves

[Sharktopus]

No, I meant Bane, although I've never really read DC. Did Brainiac do something cooler than killing Kal-El?

You're thinking of Doomsday, the creature that "killed" Superman. He barely qualifies as a character. Bane broke Batman's back back in the '90s when superhero comics sucked hard:

[mrbasehart]

I actually quite like The Breaking of the Bat and The Death of Superman as events.  Sure, you know that everything's going to go back to the status quo at the end, but there's some really cool stuff in the middle. 

[Sharktopus]

Here's my two cents on villains. Better grab a sammich and settle in.

SPIDER-MAN
A-List
Norman Osborn: arch-enemy, killed Gwen
Venom: creep doppelganger (Respect the umlaut!)
Doc Oc: twerpy science nerd foil

B-List
Kraven
Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion
Vulture
Sandman

C-List
Too many to list

BATMAN
A-List
Joker: Duh. Probably the greatest comic book villain ever created.
Two-Face: I know, he's way below the Joker, but has so much potential that The Dark Knight completely pissed away by killing him.

B-List
Ra's Al-Ghul
Penguin
Riddler
Poison Ivy
Scarecrow
Killer Croc
Mad Hatter
Clayface
Mr. Freeze
Bane

C-List
Ventriloquist/Scarface
Firefly
Dr. Phosphorus

SUPERMAN
A-List
Lex Luthor: prototype for the evil businessman AND evil superscientist archetypes
Darkseid: basically Space Satan

B-List
Brainiac
Metallo
Parasite
Mongul: Darkseid lite, but gets major bonus points for "What Do You Get For The Man Who Has Everything?"

C-List
Toyman

This is all off the top of my head - I'm sure I'm forgetting some major villains...

I'm such a nerd.

[TeamRAD]

Here's my two cents on villains. Better grab a sammich and settle in.

SPIDER-MAN
B-List
Kraven
Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion
Vulture
Sandman

How about adding Kingpin, Chameleon, Lizard, & Carnage to the B-List?   

[Doctor Who?]

I always thought of Chameleon as C-list.  All he can do is change shape so all Spiderman has to to is figure out it's him and then punch him.  He is not really that big a danger.  Most of the time he just seems to slip up and do something stupid ruining his own plan. Verry C list if you ask me.

[TeamRAD]

I always have Chameleon associated w/ Kraven and know he was a member of one of the incarnations of the Sinister Six. So yeah, I've a hard time placing him in the C-List territory.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

SUPERMAN
A-List
Lex Luthor: prototype for the evil businessman AND evil superscientist archetypes

I'll always feel that "Superman's Greatest Enemy" being a mere human being diminishes him.....

But then, I'm from the Silver Age of DC - the time of Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Bizzaro world, etc.   

[MWolf]

No, I meant Bane, although I've never really read DC. Did Brainiac do something cooler than killing Kal-El?

You're thinking of Doomsday, the creature that "killed" Superman. He barely qualifies as a character. Bane broke Batman's back back in the '90s when superhero comics sucked hard:

Doomsday wasnt really a good character. I believe the comics where Superman, Doomsday and that cyborg superman were going at it that they found out that Doomsday just believes superman to be a master that tortured him or something. Some scrawny paleish blue guy (nothing to do with green lanterns)
Anyways both series were pretty damn good. And seeing Superman pummeled to death over 8 or so books was pretty cool.

I still have the funeral for a friend black cover bloody superman logo. Good times =)

[Sharktopus]

How about adding Kingpin, Chameleon, Lizard, & Carnage to the B-List?   

Can't believe I forgot the Lizard. I always think of Kingpin as an A-List Daredevil villain rather than a B-List Spidey villain, especially since he was pretty much just an obese mobster until Frank Miller got a hold of him. It's pretty easy to forget the Chameleon, isn't it?

And Carnage sucks. You might as well toss in all the Hobgoblins at that point.

SUPERMAN
A-List
Lex Luthor: prototype for the evil businessman AND evil superscientist archetypes

I'll always feel that "Superman's Greatest Enemy" being a mere human being diminishes him.....

I love the idea. It says brains beats brawn, even in cheezy superhero comics.

[TeamRAD]

How about adding Kingpin, Chameleon, Lizard, & Carnage to the B-List?   

Can't believe I forgot the Lizard. I always think of Kingpin as an A-List Daredevil villain rather than a B-List Spidey villain, especially since he was pretty much just an obese mobster until Frank Miller got a hold of him. It's pretty easy to forget the Chameleon, isn't it?

And Carnage sucks. You might as well toss in all the Hobgoblins at that point.

I hear you on Kingpin, Shark, but he's undoubtedly a big-time force in the Marvel Universe, period. Hence why I suggested B-List status, and a certain someone just happened to be Spidey's archenemy in this particular game above the likes of Doc Ock & Venom in the very same game...



One cannot mistake his presence...

I second your thought on Carnage but suggested it from a popularity POV. I may not like it, but it's very much so.

Finally, that "indefinite delay" speculation from the other day had me a smidgen on the nervous side...

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8930

*wipes brow*

[Relaxing Dragon]

B-List
Ra's Al-Ghul
Penguin
Riddler
Poison Ivy
Scarecrow
Killer Croc
Mad Hatter
Clayface
Mr. Freeze
Bane

I'm waiting for the day when the Scarecrow moves up to the A-list. He's probably my favorite Batman baddie, and even though he was wasted in the recent flicks he was excellent in Arkham Asylum.

[Courtney]

Spidey 4 indefinitely delayed.

Spider-Man 4 was originally scheduled to begin filming in February of this year in order to make a May 2011 release date. That's not going to happen now on account of the minor problem of not having a script. Didn't seem to stop them on the last one, and certainly didn't stop the last couple of X-Men films, so I don't really see what the big deal is.

In any case, the script has already gone through iterations by James Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross, the last of whom actually has a fairly decent screenwriting resume including The Tale of Despereaux, Seabiscuit, Pleasantville, and Big. Sam Raimi is apparently so unhappy with the script that production has been indefinitely delayed and the script shipped out to Alvin Sargent. After the last Spidey was less than well received, it makes sense that Raimi is being picky since that's how franchises get put on hold and rebooted by someone else five years down the line.

The only problem is that Sargent is the guy who wrote the last two Spiderman films and just happens to be married to Laura Ziskin, who has a producer credit on all 4 Spiderman films. The guy who crapped out Spider-Man 3's script and is being given a shot at writing Spider-Man 4 is married to a producer. Oh nepotism, is there any job you can't get done with half the competence and twice the price?