Spiderman, Rebooted

[Cosmic Muse]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

[Darth Geek]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies.

[Cosmic Muse]

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies.

You know, I was always under the impression that the alien symbiote made Peter more aggressive and violent because it was inherently evil. If my memory serves me correctly, the symbiote had been banished to the Beyonder's realm from its homeworld by its own kind because of its violent nature, but don't quote me on that. I just don't get why a simple thing like that could have been so lost in translation like that. Again, the alien symbiote made Peter aggressive, not an Emo Douchebag.

Oh, and don't even get me started on the whole Eddie Brock Jr. thing. I own a lot of the Venom solo comics and his dad's name was Carl Brock, not Eddie Sr. I've even scanned, uploaded and linked to the panel where Peter Parker actually speaks to Carl Brock in San Francisco from Venom: Lethal Protector that was written by Venom's creator, David Michelinie. 

[TeamRAD]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled.

Sans the $330+ milliion it grossed domestically, there's a lot of blame to be passed around for the creative & likability misfires of it. Although my main one happens to be, for which I'm sure I mentioned earlier in this thread, is Sam & his brother messing w/ Sargent's script. With the critical/commercial success of 2, I don't have the slightest idea why they got involved, but they did, and that's the end of it. But I cannot fault Sam for how he handled Venom, it wouldn't be any differently if I was in his position and was commanded to place Carnage in the picture. I'm sure the results would be similar. 

It's too bad, the potential and future of the franchise was off the charts prior to the release of 3, and now it's murky. Nonetheless, I have faith in the fanboy who's behind it, but would still love to ask him on the motivation of not having Gwen as the love interest in the original. The handling of Venom isn't the tragedy of the film franchise to date in my opinion, it was that.

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies.

I'm shocked there wasn't a reference to Michael Bay anywhere in that post, DG! I even did a Firefox search to make sure!! 

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies.

You know, I was always under the impression that the alien symbiote made Peter more aggressive and violent because it was inherently evil. If my memory serves me correctly, the symbiote had been banished to the Beyonder's realm from its homeworld by its own kind because of its violent nature, but don't quote me on that. I just don't get why a simple thing like that could have been so lost in translation like that. Again, the alien symbiote made Peter aggressive, not an Emo Douchebag.

I'm pretty sure your memory has served you correctly for the most part, but wasn't it banished b/c it wanted to commit itself to its host rather than fatally consuming the said host of its adrenaline? I interpreted the race as being insane, and it furthermore gives credence to the symbiote's sentient nature, the significance Parker's rejection played, and then the eventual birth of Venom.

[Darth Geek]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled.

Sans the $330+ milliion it grossed domestically, there's a lot of blame to be passed around for the creative & likability misfires of it. Although my main one happens to be, for which I'm sure I mentioned earlier in this thread, is Sam & his brother messing w/ Sargent's script. With the critical/commercial success of 2, I don't have the slightest idea why they got involved, but they did, and that's the end of it. But I cannot fault Sam for how he handled Venom, it wouldn't be any differently if I was in his position and was commanded to place Carnage in the picture. I'm sure the results would be similar. 

It's too bad, the potential and future of the franchise was off the charts prior to the release of 3, and now it's murky. Nonetheless, I have faith in the fanboy who's behind it, but would still love to ask him on the motivation of not having Gwen as the love interest in the original. The handling of Venom isn't the tragedy of the film franchise to date in my opinion, it was that.

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies. DIE MICHAEL BAY, DIE!

I'm shocked there wasn't a reference to Michael Bay anywhere in that post, DG! I even did a Firefox search to make sure!! 

Fixed it for you.

P.S. It's German. Roughly translated: The Uwe Boll, The.

[Cosmic Muse]

I'm a little puzzled about the Bay reference. My dislike of Bay stems from the fact only one movie he made entertained me, and that was The Rock. Raimi on the other hand, I expected more from him with Spider-man 3 because of how much I loved the previous two. He even had the gist of what it is like to possess a symbiote with the way Doctor Octopus' tentacles interacted with each other and Otto Octavius in Spider-man 2. As a Venom fan I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the way Venom was worked into the movie.

[TeamRAD]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled.

Sans the $330+ milliion it grossed domestically, there's a lot of blame to be passed around for the creative & likability misfires of it. Although my main one happens to be, for which I'm sure I mentioned earlier in this thread, is Sam & his brother messing w/ Sargent's script. With the critical/commercial success of 2, I don't have the slightest idea why they got involved, but they did, and that's the end of it. But I cannot fault Sam for how he handled Venom, it wouldn't be any differently if I was in his position and was commanded to place Carnage in the picture. I'm sure the results would be similar. 

It's too bad, the potential and future of the franchise was off the charts prior to the release of 3, and now it's murky. Nonetheless, I have faith in the fanboy who's behind it, but would still love to ask him on the motivation of not having Gwen as the love interest in the original. The handling of Venom isn't the tragedy of the film franchise to date in my opinion, it was that.

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies. DIE MICHAEL BAY, DIE!

I'm shocked there wasn't a reference to Michael Bay anywhere in that post, DG! I even did a Firefox search to make sure!! 

Fixed it for you.

P.S. It's German. Roughly translated: The Uwe Boll, The.

...hahahaha. There we go!   

I'm a little puzzled about the Bay reference.

DG just enjoys hating on Bay (even in the Avatar thread!), and I was just playing around, per norm. It's all part of his charm. So you were thoroughly underwhelmed by the way Venom was woven into the movie? Well answer me this, do you know of anyone that was joyous or even "meh" about how it worked?? Because I don't know anyone of that nature.

[Elijah Baley]

I was always a DC comics guy, so I never notice when Marvel pisses away its legacy. I mean, they'd have to resurrect Uncle Ben for me to notice a Marvel travesty of any sort.

That said, Spider-Man never seemed to have as interesting a Rogue's Gallery as any major comic book character. His villains' theme was generally different sorts of animals, if my reading is right. It just doesn't hold up to dangerous insanity --- Batman villains all shared some clinical derangement --- and the issues I read never had the kind of sustained, hamfisted social commentary that Star Trek and, relevantly, X-Men had. It's a cotton candy comic stuck in an age which demands its meat and potatoes.

That said, even I could believe that Venom would have been nice, paired with a villain and that Sandman would also have been nice, paired with a villain. They didn't work together at all. It'd be like the next Batman flick pairing The Clock King with Killer Croc.

[mike5150]

I'm not shocked whatsoever as it's pretty wide-known Sam's all about the silver-age of comics. I cannot say enough about Venom, because he was my gateway into the comic book world. He's always been the de facto badass for me, and Parker's ultimate foil, but looking into Sam's pedigree and personality w/o taking in the aforementioned knowledge into consideration, I'm not surprised whatsoever he wasn't a fan of Venom. In many ways, I envy that my late-father had the chance to grown up in the silver-age, that had to have been too much fun.

That's just too bad that Raimi is so limited in that respect. It really hampered my likability of Spider-man 3 because of how blase the character was handled. Not too many people realize that Venom saved Spider-man from fading away because in the 80's they were running out of original characters that fans could get interested in. They kept recycling all the old classics and were running out of storylines. Readership was starting to wane for the webslinger. I think Eddie Brock deserved and still deserves more respect than what he received in his first live action incarnation.

Yeah, I was disappointed with how he was handled too. I'm glad we got the black suit, but the change in him was ridiculous. I'm not just talking about the dancing (which was stupid), but the idea that Peter Parker, who has already had a major change that gives him significantly more power than he had, gets the suit and the added power is what makes him cocky and a jerk? Huh? Making him a cocky douche isn't interesting, Sam. Making him more aggressive as he's handling criminals and The Sandman, that's interesting. The suit should have made him kill Harry Osbourn in a fight, and that made him decide to reject it. I also still say that the shot where Brock becomes Venom in the church was originally designed to be the last shot of the movie. Look at the camera movement and tell me that doesn't remind you of the last shot from the previous two movies.

I just don't remember him ever playing the piano. Can spiders naturally play piano? Oh, and would tarantula be too cheesy? For some reason I can only think of him Mysterio and Electro as big time villians. (besides kingpin, lizard and vulture)

[TeamRAD]

That said, Spider-Man never seemed to have as interesting a Rogue's Gallery as any major comic book character.

Interesting? Besides Venom, I can agree w/ you on that, Elijah. However, I do think they're a ton of fun, and that's forever been the appeal of the Spidey-verse for me. Fun.

My meat & potatoes lies in the Buffyverse, and that brings the fun & maddening philosophical backbone like no other comic I know. The only thing missing from Buffy is baseball. 

[ScottotD]

Really? I think Spider-Man is pretty much second only to Batman as far as villians go.

[Sharktopus]

Really? I think Spider-Man is pretty much second only to Batman as far as villians go.

Seconded. Sure, most of them are animal-themed, but - as J. Michael Straczynski tried to voice down our throats during his run - most are natural enemies of the spider: Scorpion, Lizard, Tarantula... Rhino. Okay, maybe not so much. Anyway, Spidey may only have 3 A-list villains but he has more B-list villains than anyone but Batman.

[TeamRAD]

I'm not denying the girth of Spidey's RG. It's splendid. I just only find one truly gripping.

[ScottotD]

I'm not denying the girth of Spidey's RG. It's splendid. I just only find one truly gripping.

Agreed but most heroes have one major villian and then a collection.  Superman and Spider-man are the only two individuals who spring to mind with more than one (Lex and Bane, Osborne and Venom) but Supe's second tier is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less impressive than Spidey's.

[Sharktopus]

I'm not denying the girth of Spidey's RG. It's splendid. I just only find one truly gripping.

Agreed but most heroes have one major villian and then a collection.  Superman and Spider-man are the only two individuals who spring to mind with more than one (Lex and Bane, Osborne and Venom) but Supe's second tier is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less impressive than Spidey's.

I'm assuming you meant Brainiac but have Lucha on the brain.