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[RobtheBarbarian]

Or how about a Lego set of a NAZI consentration camp?

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[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

Or how about a Lego set of a NAZI consentration camp?

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Homemade sets don't count. 

[Russell]

Yeah, you're right.  Like Hitchcock really screwed up Psycho by not showing Norman going back up to the house and dressing as Mom before coming back to kill Marion in the shower...."If something happens, SHOW it."....kill all the shock and surprise in a horror film.   
And btw...we don't know how much any of these Aliens weigh....drones or Queen.  That armored exoskeleton of theirs could be very very light.
Plus any extra weight the drop ship might have read could have been lost in the fact that 1) they were climbing as fast as that ship could go and 2) they were then hit with the wave of an huge explosion.....the ship's sensors were probably dealing with a lot.

Okay so I guess now you're saying I have no right to pick on Aliens? Face it, there are still plot huge gaping plot holes, and nothing you or anybody has said makes sense except to account for dramatic convenience in the movie.

[mike5150]

OK, just put in the DVD to check because I did remember something happening while they were lifting off, go back and watch that scene, one of the side landing skids gets caught on some metal and the ship does tilt that way, also the skid doesn't retract all the way into it's well, we see it with bits of what we think are metal sticking out around the almost fully retracted skid, we have to assume the alien jumped into the well during the moment it was stuck on the metal.  And that is the well the alien comes out of after they land and are walking under the drop ship, when Bishop gets spiked we pan up to see the alien in the well so obviously it fit in there....
Like I said, the plot hole really is how quick the alien could have jumped in and crammed itself into the well for the skid.  Or having what looks like a wheel well for a flat landing skid might be considered a flaw.

I remember that, but I am still unconvinced. It's a movie! If something happens, SHOW it. There's no reason why they couldn't show the Queen tucking herself into an orifice on the ship or given a hint as to that. No matter how you slice it... it just doesn't work on any level.

Yeah, you're right.  Like Hitchcock really screwed up Psycho by not showing Norman going back up to the house and dressing as Mom before coming back to kill Marion in the shower...."If something happens, SHOW it."....kill all the shock and surprise in a horror film.   

Imagine if there had been a scene in Halloween showing Michael Myers spending 15 uncut minutes using rope, duct tape and curtain rods to hang that dead teenager up in the closet for Laurie to find. You have to SHOW these things, or they don't work.

We're gonna need a montage!! A KID KILLIN/HANGIN MONTAAAAGE!!!

[Action Batch]

OK, just put in the DVD to check because I did remember something happening while they were lifting off, go back and watch that scene, one of the side landing skids gets caught on some metal and the ship does tilt that way, also the skid doesn't retract all the way into it's well, we see it with bits of what we think are metal sticking out around the almost fully retracted skid, we have to assume the alien jumped into the well during the moment it was stuck on the metal.  And that is the well the alien comes out of after they land and are walking under the drop ship, when Bishop gets spiked we pan up to see the alien in the well so obviously it fit in there....
Like I said, the plot hole really is how quick the alien could have jumped in and crammed itself into the well for the skid.  Or having what looks like a wheel well for a flat landing skid might be considered a flaw.

I remember that, but I am still unconvinced. It's a movie! If something happens, SHOW it. There's no reason why they couldn't show the Queen tucking herself into an orifice on the ship or given a hint as to that. No matter how you slice it... it just doesn't work on any level.

Yeah, you're right.  Like Hitchcock really screwed up Psycho by not showing Norman going back up to the house and dressing as Mom before coming back to kill Marion in the shower...."If something happens, SHOW it."....kill all the shock and surprise in a horror film.   

Imagine if there had been a scene in Halloween showing Michael Myers spending 15 uncut minutes using rope, duct tape and curtain rods to hang that dead teenager up in the closet for Laurie to find. You have to SHOW these things, or they don't work.

We're gonna need a montage!! A KID KILLIN/HANGIN MONTAAAAGE!!!

EVEN ROCKY HAD A MONTAGE!!!

Always fade out in a montage...if you fade out it seems like more time has passed in a montage...

[RobtheBarbarian]

OK, just put in the DVD to check because I did remember something happening while they were lifting off, go back and watch that scene, one of the side landing skids gets caught on some metal and the ship does tilt that way, also the skid doesn't retract all the way into it's well, we see it with bits of what we think are metal sticking out around the almost fully retracted skid, we have to assume the alien jumped into the well during the moment it was stuck on the metal.  And that is the well the alien comes out of after they land and are walking under the drop ship, when Bishop gets spiked we pan up to see the alien in the well so obviously it fit in there....
Like I said, the plot hole really is how quick the alien could have jumped in and crammed itself into the well for the skid.  Or having what looks like a wheel well for a flat landing skid might be considered a flaw.

I remember that, but I am still unconvinced. It's a movie! If something happens, SHOW it. There's no reason why they couldn't show the Queen tucking herself into an orifice on the ship or given a hint as to that. No matter how you slice it... it just doesn't work on any level.

Yeah, you're right.  Like Hitchcock really screwed up Psycho by not showing Norman going back up to the house and dressing as Mom before coming back to kill Marion in the shower...."If something happens, SHOW it."....kill all the shock and surprise in a horror film.   

Imagine if there had been a scene in Halloween showing Michael Myers spending 15 uncut minutes using rope, duct tape and curtain rods to hang that dead teenager up in the closet for Laurie to find. You have to SHOW these things, or they don't work.

We're gonna need a montage!! A KID KILLIN/HANGIN MONTAAAAGE!!!

EVEN ROCKY HAD A MONTAGE!!!

Always fade out in a montage...if you fade out it seems like more time has passed in a montage...

Well great, now we're talking about Michael knifing people on the stairs of the art museum in Philly.

[mike5150]

OK, just put in the DVD to check because I did remember something happening while they were lifting off, go back and watch that scene, one of the side landing skids gets caught on some metal and the ship does tilt that way, also the skid doesn't retract all the way into it's well, we see it with bits of what we think are metal sticking out around the almost fully retracted skid, we have to assume the alien jumped into the well during the moment it was stuck on the metal.  And that is the well the alien comes out of after they land and are walking under the drop ship, when Bishop gets spiked we pan up to see the alien in the well so obviously it fit in there....
Like I said, the plot hole really is how quick the alien could have jumped in and crammed itself into the well for the skid.  Or having what looks like a wheel well for a flat landing skid might be considered a flaw.

I remember that, but I am still unconvinced. It's a movie! If something happens, SHOW it. There's no reason why they couldn't show the Queen tucking herself into an orifice on the ship or given a hint as to that. No matter how you slice it... it just doesn't work on any level.

Yeah, you're right.  Like Hitchcock really screwed up Psycho by not showing Norman going back up to the house and dressing as Mom before coming back to kill Marion in the shower...."If something happens, SHOW it."....kill all the shock and surprise in a horror film.   

Imagine if there had been a scene in Halloween showing Michael Myers spending 15 uncut minutes using rope, duct tape and curtain rods to hang that dead teenager up in the closet for Laurie to find. You have to SHOW these things, or they don't work.

We're gonna need a montage!! A KID KILLIN/HANGIN MONTAAAAGE!!!

EVEN ROCKY HAD A MONTAGE!!!

Always fade out in a montage...if you fade out it seems like more time has passed in a montage...

Well great, now we're talking about Michael knifing people on the stairs of the art museum in Philly.

No....he's gonna stab ya poimanent...POIMANENT!!!  HE'S GONNA STAB YA INTO TOMARROW ROCK!!  (ok, I will be done now) 

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

Well great, now we're talking about Michael knifing people on the stairs of the art museum in Philly.

Beats Rob Zombie's version all to hell.....

Okay so I guess now you're saying I have no right to pick on Aliens? Face it, there are still plot huge gaping plot holes, and nothing you or anybody has said makes sense except to account for dramatic convenience in the movie.

You can "pick on it" all you want - which is more that people here will let me do with movies I have problems with.   

I'm just pointing out what I (and others, it seems) see as the fallacy behind your logic so that people can take that into account as they read your posts.  "Consider the source", so to speak.

[Russell]

I'm just pointing out what I (and others, it seems) see as the fallacy behind your logic so that people can take that into account as they read your posts.  "Consider the source", so to speak

You know, not naming the specific fallacy is in itself, a fallacy(A  red herring I believe it's called). Secondly, I have read what you have all said, and I just still don't buy it. I point out something it seems like everyone comes up with some convenient excuse. I have a right to say what I say without being scrutinized just because my opinion isn't popular, and let's face facts... why isn't anybody taking my side at all? Politics. Aliens is popular (God only knows why because I don't understand the appeal), and people will defend it to the death, so to speak even if I come up with what I see as plot holes. Seriously, Bishop is a super-advanced android and he didn't notice the 20 foot alien or hear it at all??? And Ripley even with her constant nightmares and recurring paranoia didn't notice it either??? In my opinion, there is just NO way around that. No way at all. Why can't you so much as say you understand my point of view? I've tried to understand yours only to find it just doesn't work. You have got to admit there is room for compromise.

[ScottotD]

Aliens is my third favourite Alien movie (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay after Alien and slightly after Alien 3) and I don't agree with you either.


Just saw this, loved it.  During production I was thinking this would have an issue similar to 'Chinese Democracy' where people would be so caught up in the cost and time they couldn't see past it however anyone watching Avatar thinking "is that it" needs to re-examine themselves.  Sure it's overlong, clunky at times and self-indulgent but it's a James Cameron movie so I expect those things.  I'll definately be seeing this again on the big screen because I know watching it at home will lose a LOT of the impact.

[TeamRAD]

I'm just pointing out what I (and others, it seems) see as the fallacy behind your logic so that people can take that into account as they read your posts.  "Consider the source", so to speak

let's face facts...

Okay, you got thoroughly owned, and it was fun to read. Now can you go troll another thread please?

17 hours and change until eyeball-fucking commences!

[esoobaC .T bocaJ]

Who's ready for Blue Friday?

[ScottotD]

I prefer Blue Monday.

[TeamRAD]

Who's ready for Blue Friday?

Hear, hear!

I prefer Blue Monday.

I prefer "Bizarre Love Triangle".

[mrbasehart]

Aliens is my third favourite Alien movie (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay after Alien and slightly after Alien 3) and I don't agree with you either.


Just saw this, loved it.  During production I was thinking this would have an issue similar to 'Chinese Democracy' where people would be so caught up in the cost and time they couldn't see past it however anyone watching Avatar thinking "is that it" needs to re-examine themselves.  Sure it's overlong, clunky at times and self-indulgent but it's a James Cameron movie so I expect those things.  I'll definately be seeing this again on the big screen because I know watching it at home will lose a LOT of the impact.

Did you see it in 2d or 3d?