Twilight 2: New Moon

[Cosmic Muse]

I find it really funny that two women are having this discussion, I'd say at least 80% of the guys here will be able to say from personal experience that a teenage girl picking a guy who's bad for her over a nice, stable guy happens all the time.

I guess I must fall into that rare 20% range because I'd rather be alone than hitch myself to a controlling, manipulative bad boy. The sad thing is that sometimes girls learn all too late the fatality of their decisions.

Unlike Bella, I'm not attracted to danger. Every since I can remember I've stayed as far away from purveyors of danger, even if it meant ostracizing myself from other people I knew were no good. I'd say hello to them but that was about it.

[ScottotD]

Fatality seems like a strong term in the context of dating, it's human nature from my experience.  People who are bored or feeling lost gravitate to the unknown and mysterious for the thrill of danger.

I find it really funny that two women are having this discussion, I'd say at least 80% of the guys here will be able to say from personal experience that a teenage girl picking a guy who's bad for her over a nice, stable guy happens all the time.

I find it funny that you've claimed you're not a Twihard and yet you seem to live in this thread...

Although most, if not all of what you do is not comment on the film but comment on others commenting on the film.

Isn't there's a term for that....?

You're here more than me so what does that say about you I wonder?  I was (perhaps foolishly) attempting to engage in conversation, which seems less... distasteful than mocking and/or condeming imagined fans of a series for enjoying something you don't.


However I'm sure you'll continue to dismiss any objection to your attitude as you do whenever anyone questions it so I won't won't to labor the point.

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for a "nice guy" to start bleating. 

It seems you're confusing "bleating" with conversation, hardly surprising given the tone of this thread in general.

[Tripe]

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for a "nice guy" to start bleating. 

It seems you're confusing "bleating" with conversation, hardly surprising given the tone of this thread in general.

Nope 

[Cosmic Muse]

Fatality seems like a strong term in the context of dating, it's human nature from my experience.  People who are bored or feeling lost gravitate to the unknown and mysterious for the thrill of danger.

Considering the statistics of women in highly abusive relationships who don't leave, it's a pretty apt term. I prefer men (And the keyword here is men.) who know who they are, what they want in life and have the maturity to let me know what they're looking for. I'm not the sort who likes mystery and danger at all.

[jewishcarpenter]

[ScottotD]

Fatality seems like a strong term in the context of dating, it's human nature from my experience.  People who are bored or feeling lost gravitate to the unknown and mysterious for the thrill of danger.

Considering the statistics of women in highly abusive relationships who don't leave, it's a pretty apt term. I prefer men (And the keyword here is men.) who know who they are, what they want in life and have the maturity to let me know what they're looking for. I'm not the sort who likes mystery and danger at all.

I see your point but to me the traditional 'bad boy' character is more the arrogant, uncaring, macho type as opposed to someone who's actually directly aggressive.  I'd say it seems like your overthinking the characters and the fan's adaption of it but that's just my take.

[Cosmic Muse]

I see your point but to me the traditional 'bad boy' character is more the arrogant, uncaring, macho type as opposed to someone who's actually directly aggressive.  I'd say it seems like your overthinking the characters and the fan's adaption of it but that's just my take.

You see, this is what confuses me about the Twilight movies. They want you to side with Bella and Edward, but the way they conduct themselves, they act like hormonal asstards. Realistically, if Edward was so guilt ridden about her safety he should have slapped a restraining order against Bella in the first movie if she just couldn't get the hint. Instead, he keeps telling her to stay away one moment then trying to get close to her the next. And then, in new moon, just to hallucinate that Edward is there Bella goes to extreme lengths just to see a spectral form of him, like he's the embodiment of her Emo Sense warning her of danger. If I was constantly telling my significant other in spectral form not to do something only to get ignored, I'd finally get sick of it and tell him to just go kill himself in a stupid manner because I'm going to go find me someone with more sanity. And you just cannot tell me people of weak, poorly developed minds won't try and emulate what they see their idols doing even if it's based on a fictional couple.

[Toby Danger]

I have a hard time imagining Edward as a 'bad boy'. Hell, looking at his actions in the movie, this guy is the complete opposite of a bad boy.
He's a complete coward.

Think about it, after the incident at the birthday party, what does Edward do? Does he shrug it off, warn Bella to be more careful in the future, slap Jasper around and tell him to get his bloodlust in check so this doesn't happen again?

Nope, he runs away like a big pussy, unwilling to face the problem. And the moron doesn't even have a decency to let Bella down easy with this. He just buggers off without even a proper goodbye, and doesn't even write.

He might be right about staying away from her, but does that mean he and his entire family have to break contact with her? Have they not heard of this miraculous technology called e-mail or the telephone?

And when he hears about Bella's 'death', his first instinct is suicide? How about going back to Forks to find out what happened, asshole? Maybe pay your respects to Bella's dad? Nope, apparantly your loss is more important.

What a dick. And he needs to eat a damn sandwich.

[Cosmic Muse]

I have a hard time imagining Edward as a 'bad boy'. Hell, looking at his actions in the movie, this guy is the complete opposite of a bad boy.
He's a complete coward.

Think about it, after the incident at the birthday party, what does Edward do? Does he shrug it off, warn Bella to be more careful in the future, slap Jasper around and tell him to get his bloodlust in check so this doesn't happen again?

Nope, he runs away like a big pussy, unwilling to face the problem. And the moron doesn't even have a decency to let Bella down easy with this. He just buggers off without even a proper goodbye, and doesn't even write.

He might be right about staying away from her, but does that mean he and his entire family have to break contact with her? Have they not heard of this miraculous technology called e-mail or the telephone?

And when he hears about Bella's 'death', his first instinct is suicide? How about going back to Forks to find out what happened, asshole? Maybe pay your respects to Bella's dad? Nope, apparantly your loss is more important.

What a dick. And he needs to eat a damn sandwich.

I don't know. In my mind it just looks tp me like Edward Cullen and Bella Swan are two of the most screwed up, depraved teenage characters in cinema. The first thing they both do when faced with separation in whatever form is to run swiftly towards the danger?

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

I have a hard time imagining Edward as a 'bad boy'. Hell, looking at his actions in the movie, this guy is the complete opposite of a bad boy.
He's a complete coward.

Your description of Edward's actions reminds me of John Merrick's criticism of Romeo in the play "The Elephant Man" - that Romeo didn't really love Juliet because he was so quick to accept that she was dead, (paraphrasing) "Did check her pulse? Did he hold a mirror up to check for her breath? If it had been me, I would have checked."

[ScottotD]

I see your point but to me the traditional 'bad boy' character is more the arrogant, uncaring, macho type as opposed to someone who's actually directly aggressive.  I'd say it seems like your overthinking the characters and the fan's adaption of it but that's just my take.

You see, this is what confuses me about the Twilight movies. They want you to side with Bella and Edward, but the way they conduct themselves, they act like hormonal asstards. Realistically, if Edward was so guilt ridden about her safety he should have slapped a restraining order against Bella in the first movie if she just couldn't get the hint. Instead, he keeps telling her to stay away one moment then trying to get close to her the next. And then, in new moon, just to hallucinate that Edward is there Bella goes to extreme lengths just to see a spectral form of him, like he's the embodiment of her Emo Sense warning her of danger. If I was constantly telling my significant other in spectral form not to do something only to get ignored, I'd finally get sick of it and tell him to just go kill himself in a stupid manner because I'm going to go find me someone with more sanity. And you just cannot tell me people of weak, poorly developed minds won't try and emulate what they see their idols doing even if it's based on a fictional couple.

I could reference many studies that show people are not directly influenced to act based on media and I'm sure you could find many that show otherwise.  I think "weak, poorly developed minds" is being unessesarily cruel to the fanbase, however to use the same comparison as Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck.  Teenagers (many of whom may have "weak, poorly developed minds") have been reading Romeo and Juliet for a long time and suicide pacts are still pretty uncommon.

[LucasM]

What a dick. And he needs to eat a damn sandwich.

Well... maybe eat someone who's eaten a sandwich.   

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

I could reference many studies that show people are not directly influenced to act based on media and I'm sure you could find many that show otherwise.  I think "weak, poorly developed minds" is being unessesarily cruel to the fanbase, however to use the same comparison as Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck.  Teenagers (many of whom may have "weak, poorly developed minds") have been reading Romeo and Juliet for a long time and suicide pacts are still pretty uncommon.

So uncommon that Heathers used it in their plot as a "current epidemic"....?

[ScottotD]

I could reference many studies that show people are not directly influenced to act based on media and I'm sure you could find many that show otherwise.  I think "weak, poorly developed minds" is being unessesarily cruel to the fanbase, however to use the same comparison as Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck.  Teenagers (many of whom may have "weak, poorly developed minds") have been reading Romeo and Juliet for a long time and suicide pacts are still pretty uncommon.

So uncommon that Heathers used it in their plot as a "current epidemic"....?

Heathers is a comedy, a great comedy.  Man, I should get a copy of Heathers.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

I could reference many studies that show people are not directly influenced to act based on media and I'm sure you could find many that show otherwise.  I think "weak, poorly developed minds" is being unessesarily cruel to the fanbase, however to use the same comparison as Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck.  Teenagers (many of whom may have "weak, poorly developed minds") have been reading Romeo and Juliet for a long time and suicide pacts are still pretty uncommon.

So uncommon that Heathers used it in their plot as a "current epidemic"....?

Heathers is a comedy, a great comedy.  Man, I should get a copy of Heathers.

  So, you're claiming that the teenage suicide epidemic was only made up as a joke in that movie?

So, Billy Joel also wrote "You're Only Human (Second Wind)" in 1985 not because there was a real concern about that at the time....he just did it for the hell of it?

From The New York Time Magazine

After declining for decades, the rate started climbing in the late 1950's, especially for boys. By the 1980's, it had tripled - to 11.3 per 100,000 teenagers 15 to 19, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Does your view of reality end at the tip of your nose or the bridge of it?