Holy crap, it's Rorshach!

[Tyrant]

Hey, geniuses are often eccentric and look scary. Especially the really creative ones. If I saw him in a bar, I'd still buy him a drink. 

[Doctor Who?]

If I saw him at a bar I would stay well away.

If that is what he does sober I don't even want to think about what he does drunk.

[RoninFox]

I hear when he gets drunk he sends giant vagina squids to people.  Real weird guy.

[Edward J Grug III]

You just don't understand him because he's a genius.

[Tripe]

He and Rasputin are peas in a pod.

He looks like he also tell fortunes and will be poisoned,stabbed,shot,and dumped in a river at some point.

I don't think either of you have any idea what Rasputin actually looked like:



So Moore and he have facial hair, but then so do i and so do a bunch of people. Rasputin looked like any Orthodox cleric you'd care to talk to, it wasn't Rasputin's looks that got him the reputation he had (much of it inaccurate, the only one exhibiting Madness in most famous years of his life was The Tsaritsa Alexandra Fyodorovna).

Moore much more closely resembles Geoffrey Bayldon as Catweazle:


(great show incidentally, good kids books too:) )

Or Ian Anderson



And in both of those instances theres a sort of wild man of the woods kind of thing being attempted.

You know who else is often eccentric and looks scary? Psychopaths.  Books and covers and all that.

Most people with psychopathy personality disorder wouldn't look like Moore at all.  Here are a couple:



Psychopaths are predators, not loons. Hence this book by Robert Hare:



There are tons of psych/sociopaths out there, few of them are criminals, even less look like hairy crazies.

You just don't understand him because he's a genius.

The work of genius is usually pretty easy to understand, I'm not sure what there is about Moore that is supposed to be so hard to understand.

[Tripe]

He looks about as much like Rasputin as you do.

[bettertomorrowamy]

Didn't everybody have beards like that in Rasputin's time?  It's not really the beard that made him famous, it's his charismatic take over of the czar's family.....and his fantastically strange murder.  The beard is only known because to our modern sensibilities it is CRAZY to have a big beard.

[Tripe]

What?

You have dark hair and a beard, as does Moore and Rasputin. That's ti that's the extent of the resemblance between the three of you.

You're just using Rasputin as a reference based on the mischaracterization of the man put out, mostly , by Felix Yusupov.

I mean he also looks a bit like the depictions of Ben Gunn, the only common denominator is facial hair and in some of those cases dark colouration.

Didn't everybody have beards like that in Rasputin's time?  It's not really the beard that made him famous, it's his charismatic take over of the czar's family.....and his fantastically strange murder.  The beard is only known because to our modern sensibilities it is CRAZY to have a big beard.

Exactly, Rasputin wasn't either of the things people often think about him, he wasn't mad nor was he a monk. He was very influential on Alexandra Fyodorovna and, in a different way Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich but he wasn't the beast that Yusupov (and I suppose Boney M* too) painted him as.


*though that is a great song, and Yusupov is a fascinating chap himself (and one who is commemorated somewhere in any fictional show or movie made in the US).

[a pretty girl is like]

Didn't everybody have beards like that in Rasputin's time?  It's not really the beard that made him famous, it's his charismatic take over of the czar's family.....and his fantastically strange murder.  The beard is only known because to our modern sensibilities it is CRAZY to have a big beard.

Hey!  I resemble that remark!

[Chaos]

Hey, all this talk about bears and Rasputin is really interesting. But you know what I wish we had? A thread for talking about WATCHMEN.

I saw it on opening weekend, and I just saw it again last night with my wife. I'm a hardcore, longtime fan of the comic (like Steve-O, from way WAY before it was cool). My wife had never even heard of it until the trailer came out several months back, and I studiously avoided telling her anything about it leading up to us seeing it together.

I absolutely loved it the first time I saw it, and I think I actually liked it even better the second time through, because I noticed some things that I had missed the first time. She loved it to, especially the characterization of Rorschach. I'm probably one of the few hard-core fans that not only understands the change to the ending, but gladly say that it is BETTER (for a movie version) than the book ending - because the book ending just could not work in a movie without people feeling it was pulled out of someone's ass. I told my wife about the differences on the way home from the movie, and she immediately said "A giant space octopus? Really? Wow, that wouldn't work in a movie."

Some of the song choices were definitely weird, but I actually think Cohen's Hallelujah works really well in that scene. I'm sure a lot of you folks south of the border don't even know who Cohen is (a lot of people I've talked to think Hallelujah is John Cale's creation, which is insulting... fucking Shrek making fucking bad covers popular). Cohen is all about darkness and passion, and that song fits in absolutely perfectly with people getting passionate after nearly getting themselves killed. Plus, the poor guy needs the money really badly, so I'm just glad to see him getting some songs out there again (a couple of years ago, his accountant who was a personal friend of his for over 20 years, skipped town with almost all of his money, he was practically broke and had to come out of being mostly-retired to start performing again).

So yeah... good movie. I definitely would have liked to see more time spent on Rorshach's descent, and more time showing Ozy's strengths and good side (like how he didn't just rest on the laurels of his parents' success but basically gave all of his inheretence away to charity and built himself back up to a super-rich from scratch). It certainly would have made him seem less instantly a villanious character that way... but I understand time constraints, and the small things like this are completely outshadowed by the awesomeness of the rest of the movie. 9.7 out of 10... and I consider myself a harsh critic.

[bettertomorrowamy]

I liked all the music in it, except for that crappy "Desolation Row" cover at the end.

[anais.jude]

Hey Now, Chaos, just because we aren't as cool as you "Canadians" doesn't mean we've never heard of Leonard Cohen! Been a fan since High School I have!

[Chaos]

I did say "a lot" of you probably didn't know who he was, you know. I never said anything about all of you.

I'm sure there are some of you hip youngsters who have heard of Cohen, probably because someone told you it was nice and angsty, which I understand you young people like.

My wife is a huge fan and always has been, and I have respect for the fact that he's still modest after all these years (when he won a Juno award, the Canadian equivalent of a Grammy, or as I more appropriately refer to them, the "everyone gets a trophy" awards, he said "Only in Canada could a man like me win an award like this. Thank you."), and that he considers himself a poet first and a performer second. He puts a lot of himself and a lot of soul into everything he does, and it shows.

If you like a good beat and a great voice, go away and listen to your own music. If you like thought-provoking, beautiful lyrics sung very gravelly but honestly, check out Cohen.

[Chaos]

Sweet. Now go make me a sammich.

[stansimpson]

Hey, all this talk about bears and Rasputin is really interesting. But you know what I wish we had? A thread for talking about WATCHMEN.

I saw it on opening weekend, and I just saw it again last night with my wife. I'm a hardcore, longtime fan of the comic (like Steve-O, from way WAY before it was cool). My wife had never even heard of it until the trailer came out several months back, and I studiously avoided telling her anything about it leading up to us seeing it together.

I absolutely loved it the first time I saw it, and I think I actually liked it even better the second time through, because I noticed some things that I had missed the first time. She loved it to, especially the characterization of Rorschach. I'm probably one of the few hard-core fans that not only understands the change to the ending, but gladly say that it is BETTER (for a movie version) than the book ending - because the book ending just could not work in a movie without people feeling it was pulled out of someone's ass. I told my wife about the differences on the way home from the movie, and she immediately said "A giant space octopus? Really? Wow, that wouldn't work in a movie."

Some of the song choices were definitely weird, but I actually think Cohen's Hallelujah works really well in that scene. I'm sure a lot of you folks south of the border don't even know who Cohen is (a lot of people I've talked to think Hallelujah is John Cale's creation, which is insulting... fucking Shrek making fucking bad covers popular). Cohen is all about darkness and passion, and that song fits in absolutely perfectly with people getting passionate after nearly getting themselves killed. Plus, the poor guy needs the money really badly, so I'm just glad to see him getting some songs out there again (a couple of years ago, his accountant who was a personal friend of his for over 20 years, skipped town with almost all of his money, he was practically broke and had to come out of being mostly-retired to start performing again).

So yeah... good movie. I definitely would have liked to see more time spent on Rorshach's descent, and more time showing Ozy's strengths and good side (like how he didn't just rest on the laurels of his parents' success but basically gave all of his inheretence away to charity and built himself back up to a super-rich from scratch). It certainly would have made him seem less instantly a villanious character that way... but I understand time constraints, and the small things like this are completely outshadowed by the awesomeness of the rest of the movie. 9.7 out of 10... and I consider myself a harsh critic.

What did she think of Bubastis?  Even if she loved the movie, that still had to have been at total WTF moment for her.

I mean, if we're talking about the movie as a movie (independently of the source material), you have to consider that a flaw, right?