Movies that make LESS sense with rewatching

[bratpop]

So, does God decide to make your ghost green and have no legs?

[mrbasehart]

There are a few things that you have to kind of look past but I think that film got enough things right that I can overlook the goofs.

This is where we differ.    I believe that a film, like the Sixth Sense,  that practically stands or falls on its revelation at the end of the movie, betraying its own logic can be fatal.  It highlights the superficiality of the narrative and that the director is only serving the movie as a shock device, rather than a coherent story with the ability to suspend the disbelief of the audience.  Goofs happen all the time in movies, I know, but Shyamalan's undermining of his own movie world unravels the film for me, exposing it as a phony magic trick.

Well, if you accept that there's an afterlife or heaven that you can go to or wait to go to you kinda have to accept anything else along the way because it implies some sort of deity or complex ruleset.  Like Trek.  You accept warp drive, you accept all the hokum that they hook onto it.

Within that context I think 6th Sense makes a heckuva lot of sense.

-dale

They're different things.  If Star Trek tells me that warp drive can make us travel faster than light, to the maximum of warp 9, then I can accept that because the movie has set out its rules.  If it later tells me that you can actually go to warp 12, with no logical explanation other than it serves the movie better, then that's the undermining I'm bothered with in Sixth Sense.  But even there, it's not as important in Star Trek because it probably wouldn't be the fatal flaw that destroys the movie's credibility.  Data singing would do that.   

[a pretty girl is like]

The last ten minutes of Akira. And I've been trying for nearly twenty years.

He is...Tetsuo. 

That's all you need to know.

[MSTJedi]

The last ten minutes of Akira. And I've been trying for nearly twenty years.

He is...Tetsuo. 

That's all you need to know.

Hell, I didn't get the FIRST ten minutes of that movie, let alone the rest of it. I love anime (good anime), but that one just didn't make any sense to me.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

This is not quite the same as "movies that just make no sense whatsoever," mind you.

-Regarding "Akira"

To qualify for this topic, a movie has too appear to be coherent the first time round.

Another example I've thought of is Rise of the Silver Surfer. I just kinda coasted with the film's logic. It wasn't until a friend brought it up that I went "Oh yeah, if the surfer could kill Galactus, why didn't he just do so in the first place, instead of going 'oh well, galactus has my world hostage'."

[Doctor Who?]

I have to say The Matrix movies.

I was over 18 and my brother wasn't when they came out so i had to go with him for him to get in and while i didn't really like them that much they seemed to make sense at the time.  When i saw them on dvd i was shocked to find that in theaters I didn't notice that the movies were really just one giant plot hole.

[Thrifty]

This is where we differ.    I believe that a film, like the Sixth Sense,  that practically stands or falls on its revelation at the end of the movie, betraying its own logic can be fatal.  It highlights the superficiality of the narrative and that the director is only serving the movie as a shock device, rather than a coherent story with the ability to suspend the disbelief of the audience.  Goofs happen all the time in movies, I know, but Shyamalan's undermining of his own movie world unravels the film for me, exposing it as a phony magic trick.

Yeah, and I mean, Gordon Shumway isn't even THAT weird of a name.

[bettertomorrowamy]

: "if it wasn't for my horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college".

They need to find the person who said that and force them to explain it at gun point.

I like to think it's about a boy who couldn't get his car started before a crucial final exam, so relied on his trusty steed to get him to the exam room on time.  Passing the test, he graduated, but then discovered college life wasn't what it cracked up to be (perhaps the absence of ihs horse made him homesick) so he dropped out after a year.  He's still grateful for the experience though, so doesn't speak bitterly about the whole affair.

I'd like to think that his horse was Mr. Ed, and Mr. Ed did all his general studies course homework for him but when he got to the upper level classes Mr. Ed was no help so the guy had to drop out.

[PsypherPunk]

If it later tells me that you can actually go to warp 12, with no logical explanation other than it serves the movie better...

Warp 10 was the theoretical maximum. And yes, they topped it. In Voyager. And promptly mutated into lizards.

Damn it, I love that series  

[mrbasehart]

If it later tells me that you can actually go to warp 12, with no logical explanation other than it serves the movie better...

Warp 10 was the theoretical maximum. And yes, they topped it. In Voyager. And promptly mutated into lizards.

Damn it, I love that series  

Yeah, but before that, in one of the final episodes of TNG where Picard is travelling through time, the medical ship that Crusher is in command of can go to warp 12 or something.   

[Kzinistzerg]

The Matrix is the Sierpinski's Gasket of movies.

It looks really cool, until you realize: A: it's all the same thing again and again and it never ends, B: there's only 1 idea involved, C: you need a computer to make it, D: it's made entirely out of triangles, and E: no matter how closely you look at it, it's constructed solely of holes.

Plot holes.

[bratpop]

There aren't any plotholes in the Matrix. Silly human.

[Reductio_ad_absurdum]

My question is though... are we talking about movies that become more (instead of less) incoherent the next few times you watch, or just the moments where fridge logic smacks you across the face and squicks you out?

FYI:  I am a Tropeholic - http://tvtropes.org.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The former.

And thanks. I'm a RECOVERING tropeaholic and you just made me have a relapse. I barely tore myself away from Nightmare Fuel.

[Kzinistzerg]

Ah, yeah, I know what you mean. I'm resisting the urge to click that link now...