Grindhouse

[pyro]

judging from the cover and back it doesn't seem to be extended

That's not a rental

[MrTorso]

Are you saying that the Blockbuster rental version is different than the retail one?? If so that sucks. I was under the assumption that the only difference was that all the retail versions say "Not for Rental" so that consumers think the store they got it from is breaking some kind of law when they are not.

[whoopdefndo]

I'm impressed a movie that tanked so hard could inspire so much debate. 

I saw it opening night way back when. Liked it enough. Planet Terror had more of the manic energy I was expecting from the event, but honestly (and I know people who are used to 100 million dollar budgeted movies might think this is sacrilege), I wanted it to look shittier. No CGI (or minimal). More Zelig-grainy, less Avid-fart grainy. I wanted it to look like an actual shitty movie that was made in 78 and never found a distributor, not a movie made to look it was shot in the 21st century as if they never stopped making grindhouse titles. I wanted it to look like it was made for half a million dollars in five days, Corman-style.

Death Proof had an interesting Tarantino meets Jack Hill quality to it, but what pissed me off the most about all the dialogue wan't the smugness of it (young people hanging out in bars or going on road trips usually talk as if every word is the most important word ever uttered, so that conceit rang sorta true). What bothered me was tha Tarantino-ness of it. A tone of voice that sounded so fresh and original when Q himself rattled off the Madonnalogue inb Reservoir Dogs, and what brought flirting to a more raw and visceral level when Traovlta & Thurman did it in Pulp Fiction, NOW sounds like a bunch of Tarantinos talking to each other. Talking AT each other. It doesn't feel fresh anymore. You can't go horsebackriding in it, or swimming. The chase scene was awesome, but it was a looooong time getting there.

I would've been much more interested in these 2 guys taking a much smaller budget (like grindhouse directors' budgets) and a 10-day shooting schedule and made the best movies they could make. Based on that criteria, I'd say a marathon of "Masters of Horror" would feel more like a grindhouse experience than "Grindhouse." Super-short, low-budget, shot fast...Coscarelli's "Incident on and off a Mountain Road" and Larry Cohen's "Pick Me Up" had the sort of vibe Planet Terror & Death Proof tried to synthesize, and those flicks did t naturally.

Still, call me a masochist, I'm interested in seeing the individual movies, missing reels restored, maybe even without the Avid-farts. Let the movies succeed or fail on their own merits (such as they are) with no gimmick to excuse any faults.

[pyro]

Are you saying that the Blockbuster rental version is different than the retail one?? If so that sucks. I was under the assumption that the only difference was that all the retail versions say "Not for Rental" so that consumers think the store they got it from is breaking some kind of law when they are not.

Nope, just saying I'm not blind... The rental version says "BLOCKBUSTER EXCLUSIVE" along the top, I'm assuming the unrated/edited part is covered up at the bottom by the bar code and 2 day stickers......  I watched it last night and the rental version is definitely extended even though the missing reel is still there

[Mr.Nobody]

Are you saying that the Blockbuster rental version is different than the retail one?? If so that sucks. I was under the assumption that the only difference was that all the retail versions say "Not for Rental" so that consumers think the store they got it from is breaking some kind of law when they are not.

Nope, just saying I'm not blind... The rental version says "BLOCKBUSTER EXCLUSIVE" along the top, I'm assuming the unrated/edited part is covered up at the bottom by the bar code and 2 day stickers......  I watched it last night and the rental version is definitely extended even though the missing reel is still there

I'm not sure if Blockbusters policy has changed (I haven't rented there in years) but it used to be they would not carry Unrated cuts of movies.  It had to be the R rated version.  As far as it being exclusive to blockbuster, Netflix will have the movie as of Oct 16 which is also the official retail release date. 

[pyro]

Don't know when they changed it, but they do now carry unrated versions of everything..... Though I'm not sure if they carry NR movies like Pink Flamingos, we're hoping to find out soon 


And it's not available at Blockbuster yet either, so don't think they have an advantage there....  employees get to rent stuff a week or 2 before it's released

[homerjayla]

Deathproof was pretty boring from what I saw of it. I fell asleep after they where talking to the Icey hot ad man.

[bettertomorrowamy]

Deathproof was pretty boring from what I saw of it. I fell asleep after they where talking to the Icey hot ad man.

That's the beginning of the movie. 

I finally got a copy from Netflix, and it was FUCKING awesome.

[Phantom of Krankor]

I got a copy of it from Netflix too. Its good ( but no where near as good as planet terror of course ), but one thing I think Tarentino could've done is cut down the first half of the movie because you spend way to long getting to know characters who get slaughtered later. And I really think it was a bad idea for them to split up the Grindhouse movies, because it really took away from the Grindhouse experience that made viewing it in the theater so fun.

[MrTorso]

And I really think it was a bad idea for them to split up the Grindhouse movies, because it really took away from the Grindhouse experience that made viewing it in the theater so fun.

Even if they released the theatrical version it wouldn't even come close to the same experience as seeing it in the theater. Personally I find all the fake scratches and film pops at home a complete distraction.  It is even more annoying in Death Proof when halfway through the flick they stopped using the scratches.

[bettertomorrowamy]

And I really think it was a bad idea for them to split up the Grindhouse movies, because it really took away from the Grindhouse experience that made viewing it in the theater so fun.

Even if they released the theatrical version it wouldn't even come close to the same experience as seeing it in the theater. Personally I find all the fake scratches and film pops at home a complete distraction.  It is even more annoying in Death Proof when halfway through the flick they stopped using the scratches.

I agree with you there.  I don't understand why he stopped using them halfway through, or for that matter why he bothered using them to begin with.  It's pretty pretentious.  I get the fact that these movies are homages to his 70's favorites, but that is going a little too far.  I could except it more if the movie was set in the 70's, but that idea totally dissolved for me when the text messaging started.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

And I really think it was a bad idea for them to split up the Grindhouse movies, because it really took away from the Grindhouse experience that made viewing it in the theater so fun.

Even if they released the theatrical version it wouldn't even come close to the same experience as seeing it in the theater. Personally I find all the fake scratches and film pops at home a complete distraction.  It is even more annoying in Death Proof when halfway through the flick they stopped using the scratches.

PT and DP weren't made for the home video market anyway.

Still, the way the films are presented on the DVDs is what the director's approved, so that's how they are intended to be seen. Can't change that even if you don't like the look of the films. Just like you can't wish for a black and white version of Dawn of the Dead because you don't like the blue zombies.

I don't understand why he stopped using them halfway through, or for that matter why he bothered using them to begin with.  It's pretty pretentious.  I get the fact that these movies are homages to his 70's favorites, but that is going a little too far.  I could except it more if the movie was set in the 70's, but that idea totally dissolved for me when the text messaging started.

I loved the scratched look of the film! I don't understand the complaint about the setting. The movies weren't supposed to be set in the 1970s. The idea wasn't that these were two '70s grindhouse features. The idea is that grindhouses are still going and as soon as you enter in the theater, you are getting the full experience, including bad prints and missing reels! That isn't beng pretentious - it was COOL. They weren't going "too far"!

I have to reiterate that these are theater movies, and Grindhouse is a theater experience. I don't think that home video is the right market for Planet Terror and Death Proof. These movies should have had a Rocky Horror Picture Show-style distribution deal, where they kept playing the double feature at midnight on Fridays and Saturdays after the regular distribution of the film (screenings at regular theater hours) had ended. Putting it out on Easter Weekend was also a huge mistake.

[MrTorso]

I have to reiterate that these are theater movies, and Grindhouse is a theater experience. I don't think that home video is the right market for Planet Terror and Death Proof. These movies should have had a Rocky Horror Picture Show-style distribution deal, where they kept playing the double feature at midnight on Fridays and Saturdays after the regular distribution of the film (screenings at regular theater hours) had ended. Putting it out on Easter Weekend was also a huge mistake.

Yes they are theater movies which is why they should of released the DVDs without the scratches and pops.  Don't get me wrong I like the flicks and I went twice to see Grindhouse in the theater.   Harvey Scissorhands totally screwed the marketing up all around for Grindhouse. TWC wouldn't let the Clinton Theater in Portland screen the movie. A theater if ever there was to show Grindhouse. They also wouldn't give the "Grindhouse Film Festival" have a print either. An entire festival of people who love these types of flicks.

[bettertomorrowamy]

And I really think it was a bad idea for them to split up the Grindhouse movies, because it really took away from the Grindhouse experience that made viewing it in the theater so fun.

Even if they released the theatrical version it wouldn't even come close to the same experience as seeing it in the theater. Personally I find all the fake scratches and film pops at home a complete distraction.  It is even more annoying in Death Proof when halfway through the flick they stopped using the scratches.

PT and DP weren't made for the home video market anyway.

Still, the way the films are presented on the DVDs is what the director's approved, so that's how they are intended to be seen. Can't change that even if you don't like the look of the films. Just like you can't wish for a black and white version of Dawn of the Dead because you don't like the blue zombies.

I don't understand why he stopped using them halfway through, or for that matter why he bothered using them to begin with.  It's pretty pretentious.  I get the fact that these movies are homages to his 70's favorites, but that is going a little too far.  I could except it more if the movie was set in the 70's, but that idea totally dissolved for me when the text messaging started.

I loved the scratched look of the film! I don't understand the complaint about the setting. The movies weren't supposed to be set in the 1970s. The idea wasn't that these were two '70s grindhouse features. The idea is that grindhouses are still going and as soon as you enter in the theater, you are getting the full experience, including bad prints and missing reels! That isn't beng pretentious - it was COOL. They weren't going "too far"!

I have to reiterate that these are theater movies, and Grindhouse is a theater experience. I don't think that home video is the right market for Planet Terror and Death Proof. These movies should have had a Rocky Horror Picture Show-style distribution deal, where they kept playing the double feature at midnight on Fridays and Saturdays after the regular distribution of the film (screenings at regular theater hours) had ended. Putting it out on Easter Weekend was also a huge mistake.

Keep your nuts in their sack!  Why is everything life and death with you?

[Petey Wheatstraw]