Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - SPOILERS HERE

[kunedog]

I'm saying exactly what I posted . . . not what you misunderstand (or imagine) me to have said.

Looks like Rise of Skywalker is going to limp across $1B worldwide this week.  I wonder if will be so successful as to outearn Joker.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3305145857/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs

[ScottotD]

Again: zero evidence that her harrassment was worse than average, only that it's gotten way, way more coverage than average (as does everything else the press thinks might salvage TLJ).

WTF would "the press" care about 'salvaging' The Last Jedi (as if it needed it) what would they have to gain?

[Edward J Grug III]

Again: zero evidence that her harrassment was worse than average, only that it's gotten way, way more coverage than average (as does everything else the press thinks might salvage TLJ).

WTF would "the press" care about 'salvaging' The Last Jedi (as if it needed it) what would they have to gain?

Kunedog has proven time and time again they aren't interested in reality. They have an agenda and an axe to grind. There's no point trying to get through.

[MrTorso]

I'm saying exactly what I posted . . . not what you misunderstand (or imagine) me to have said.

Nice dodge.

[kunedog]

WTF would "the press" care about 'salvaging' The Last Jedi (as if it needed it) what would they have to gain?

Because they're invested in the agenda TLJ tried to push, and not happy that Disney is openly (maybe even desperately) distancing ROS from it.

I'm saying exactly what I posted . . . not what you misunderstand (or imagine) me to have said.

Nice dodge.

There's no need to dodge a baseless accusation.  You just pulled a "So you're saying" as if people can't go read my posts themselves.

[kunedog]

Kunedog has proven time and time again they aren't interested in reality. They have an agenda and an axe to grind. There's no point trying to get through.

Alright then, let's put agendas aside and steer the thread back to reality.  Here, I'll start:

The reality is that Last Jedi showed naked contempt for the OT while discarding the plot hooks from TFA and leaving none for ROS, severing both ends of its own story.  It was like a masterclass of the absolute worst, comically insane mistakes a sequel can make, particularly the middle film of a sequel trilogy. 

The damage to the Star Wars brand was immediate, severe, and long-lasting.  The consequent box office results across multiple movies have been right in front of us ever since . . . but sure, I'm the one ignoring reality.

[ScottotD]

WTF would "the press" care about 'salvaging' The Last Jedi (as if it needed it) what would they have to gain?

Because they're invested in the agenda TLJ tried to push,

What agenda is that?

Kunedog has proven time and time again they aren't interested in reality. They have an agenda and an axe to grind. There's no point trying to get through.

Alright then, let's put agendas aside and steer the thread back to reality.  Here, I'll start:

The reality is that Last Jedi showed naked contempt for the OT while discarding the plot hooks from TFA and leaving none for ROS, severing both ends of its own story.  It was like a masterclass of the absolute worst, comically insane mistakes a sequel can make, particularly the middle film of a sequel trilogy. 

The damage to the Star Wars brand was immediate, severe, and long-lasting.  The consequent box office results across multiple movies have been right in front of us ever since . . . but sure, I'm the one ignoring reality.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Cyrusso]

Sigh, look, Kunedog, dude you're always entitled to your opinion. However, I get the feeling that you're engaging in some seriously overblown hyperbole. As a result I feel you're not really open to discussing this at all. When you say that the last Jedi has contempt for the original trilogy I honestly have no idea what you are talking about man.

I think I've made this clear many times but I absolutely adore the original trilogy to pieces. Yeah I think it's possible that some day some filmmaker might make a series of Star Wars movies that are better than the original trilogy but it's gonna take an awful lot of hard work and dedication to make that happen.

I think Rian Johnson did a great job of trying to deconstruct the mythos behind the Jedi and the force. For that I think he gets either too little credit or just...contempt where there should Be respect. As much as you might not wanna hear this, I think there is a very legitimate argument to be made that the last Jedi is really really great.

See, you seem to forget that Lucas added things like midi-chlorians to Star Wars. In my opinion as far as creative mistakes go that was the low point for Star Wars. After that it was all uphill from there. Just my opinion though. Doesn't mean I'm right, and it doesn't mean you have to like it.

I think JJ did a great job with the rise of Skywalker in that he managed to do something that I feel did justice to everything that happened in the last Jedi without having to walk back everything that happened or do a take back or the equivalent of "it was all a dream."

[Pak-Man]

Episode 7 echoes previous Star Wars movies, as per tradition.  - Fans: This is too much like Star Wars!
Episode 8 subverts expectations - fans: This doesn't feel enough like Star Wars and seems to alienate the fans!
Episode 9 caters to the fans as hard as it possibly can - Fans: SIGH. No!

[Cyrusso]

Episode 7 echoes previous Star Wars movies, as per tradition.  - Fans: This is too much like Star Wars!
Episode 8 subverts expectations - fans: This doesn't feel enough like Star Wars and seems to alienate the fans!
Episode 9 caters to the fans as hard as it possibly can - Fans: SIGH. No!

100% agree with you Pak.

[F-Zero]

Kunedog has proven time and time again they aren't interested in reality. They have an agenda and an axe to grind. There's no point trying to get through.

Alright then, let's put agendas aside and steer the thread back to reality.  Here, I'll start:

The reality is that Last Jedi showed naked contempt for the OT while discarding the plot hooks from TFA and leaving none for ROS, severing both ends of its own story.  It was like a masterclass of the absolute worst, comically insane mistakes a sequel can make, particularly the middle film of a sequel trilogy. 

The damage to the Star Wars brand was immediate, severe, and long-lasting.  The consequent box office results across multiple movies have been right in front of us ever since . . . but sure, I'm the one ignoring reality.

Seriously though, minus the adjectives Kunedog is right and yet I still loved ROS. 

[Edward J Grug III]

Kunedog has proven time and time again they aren't interested in reality. They have an agenda and an axe to grind. There's no point trying to get through.

Alright then, let's put agendas aside and steer the thread back to reality.  Here, I'll start:

The reality is that Last Jedi showed naked contempt for the OT while discarding the plot hooks from TFA and leaving none for ROS, severing both ends of its own story.  It was like a masterclass of the absolute worst, comically insane mistakes a sequel can make, particularly the middle film of a sequel trilogy. 

The damage to the Star Wars brand was immediate, severe, and long-lasting.  The consequent box office results across multiple movies have been right in front of us ever since . . . but sure, I'm the one ignoring reality.

100% proving my point, thank you.

[ScottotD]

Episode 7 echoes previous Star Wars movies, as per tradition.  - Fans: This is too much like Star Wars!
Episode 8 subverts expectations - fans: This doesn't feel enough like Star Wars and seems to alienate the fans!
Episode 9 caters to the fans as hard as it possibly can - Fans: SIGH. No!

100%

[MrTorso]

There's no need to dodge a baseless accusation.  You just pulled a "So you're saying" as if people can't go read my posts themselves.

So you're implying...?

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Episode 7 echoes previous Star Wars movies, as per tradition.  - Fans: This is too much like Star Wars!
Episode 8 subverts expectations - fans: This doesn't feel enough like Star Wars and seems to alienate the fans!
Episode 9 caters to the fans as hard as it possibly can - Fans: SIGH. No!

And each one takes in over a billion at the box office (ROS will probably go over a billion this week). 

So many articles out there about how disappointing the box office is, as if it should be making 5 billion by now or something.

Seems people have expectations that have no basis in history.  If you look at the box office trends of all 3 trilogies this latest one is following the same trend as the first 2, 1st movie does the most, second and third movies each draw about half as much.