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What I don't understand is...

Started by CJones, July 21, 2014, 03:17:07 PM

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CJones

...what the fuck did I just watch!?

Why does half of the male cast wear scrubs for the whole movie? Why does "Science" scrub kill not-Scott? Why does he try to kill not-blond girl, only to be killed himself by Maniac scrub. Why does scrub Dad come home, then immediately go to the 7-11, then presumably go back to work. Why does nobody think it's odd that these people are wearing scrubs outside of a hospital?

Why does everyone get killed (oh wait, it was all a dream). But then they all get killed again (oh wait, it was all a dream, AGAIN).  Well at least everyone's okay... God damnit, Maniac scrub just sneaked into your house a third time, possibly for real this time.

Who needs three different land lines to their house? No wonder no one can tell which phone is ringing or where.

I thought they were going to lobotomize Maniac scrub because he was a homicidal maniac. But he'd already been lobotomized at the start of the movie. So did that make him a maniac? And able to escape from an insane asylum with presumably locked doors?

One thing I'm pretty sure of: Somebody lobotomized scrub Dad.

Trekker4747

"Science" coming in to kill and such was the one, really big, odd thing to me too. He graduates high-school and the first thing he wants to do is to go kill a handful of people he never has to interact with again for his entire life?

Given that the killer(s) slash the victims across their neck why isn't there a hell of a lot more blood left behind by the victims?

Why does the house seem to keep every single light on in it all of the time, even when people are sleeping?

Why were the two phones connected to two different lines in the bathroom?

Which, actually, I "might" be able to answer one of those questions.

I guess it's "possible" to "need" three different lines going to your house. They have a teenaged daughter so, obviously, that right there means they need another line for her, who being a teenage girl in the 1980s decades before cell-phones were cheap, reliable, and commonplace enough to the point everyone has one, is going to be on the phone all of the time.

The second line could also, then, be for the mother who'd likely need her own line so that there could be one always-free phone for the father to be reached by the hospital in the case where both his daughter and wife are both on the phone.  It's likely one of the lines was solely his that the wife and daughter were never supposed to be on.  This third phone being a dedicated "emergency" line for the father;  the mother and father sharing the primary phone for their usual needs. There just needs to be a way for the father always being able to be contacted in time before cell phones and even pagers were very common place, cheap, and practical.

Now.

First of all, this doesn't explain why when the phone rings near the end of the movie he doesn't go right to "his" phone to see if it's for him. If it is, cool, the system works and he's been reached by the hospital.  If it's not his phone ringing, screw it, his daughter or wife can get their own phones themselves he's a busy, very bored (or heavily medicated) man who doesn't have time to answer his daughter's or wife's phones.

And having more than one line in your home isn't quite so simple as just calling the phone company and asking them to set you up with one.  (You "can" do this to have a party line in your home but this would solve none of the problems with needing a free phone when one is being used.)  There needs to be the right set-up with the wiring behind the walls/phone jacks.    If you have three lines in your home the wiring is going to be pretty precise and complex. Done "right" the daughter should only have her access to her line in her own bedroom and nowhere else in the house,  the father's dedicated "emergency contact" line servicing only one or two specific places and then the primary line servicing the rest of the house where a phone is needed.

But, again, the home has to be WIRED this way. You don't just plug a phone into a wall and tell it which line it belongs to and hope it behaves.  For all three lines to be accessible in every room in the house would mean every room in the house would need three phone jacks in it and then pray everyone can keep straight which jack goes to which line and that they're all wired the same way so that "plug/jack one" in every room services the same line.  (I lived in an apartment once with a friend where this wasn't the case, in every room there was a dual connection phone jack and in every room a different position on the jack serviced the same line.)

Yeah, all of that to say "It can make some since to have three lines in the same home but as depicted in the movie it doesn't make much sense."




Darth Geek

I'm wondering why the killer left the house to go back to the hospital, kill the father, drag his corpse across town back to the house and put it in the pool, then kill the last girl.


Trekker4747

Quote from: Darth Geek on July 21, 2014, 06:08:59 PM
I'm wondering why the killer left the house to go back to the hospital, kill the father, drag his corpse across town back to the house and put it in the pool, then kill the last girl.

Well, that was a dream, so... ;)

Yeah, for being a deranged killer in need of lobotomy in order to function somewhat normally he surely did seem able to think on his feet and accomplish quite a bit inside of one night.

And was the nurse lady really going to try and to hit on the scruffy looking bus-stop dude?


Darth Geek

Quote from: Trekker4747 on July 21, 2014, 06:19:31 PM

And was the nurse lady really going to try and to hit on the scruffy looking bus-stop dude?
Was that part of the girl's dream too?


Trekker4747

Quote from: Darth Geek on July 21, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: Trekker4747 on July 21, 2014, 06:19:31 PM

And was the nurse lady really going to try and to hit on the scruffy looking bus-stop dude?
Was that part of the girl's dream too?

Ummm.... I think it was in Limbo.  I dunno, and really, I don't even think Steven Tyler knows. (Either of them.)

Sugar Ray Dodge

I'm gonna assume that NOTHING we saw after they left the school actually happened and that it was all the dream of Roland Deschain after being throw back in time by the Dark Tower.

ScottotD

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Trekker4747

Okay, here's another one.

First of all, let us ignore that fact that apparently everything that happened between the time the pissy red-haired girl laid down on her bed and woke up near the end of the movie was a dream.  Because, first of all, that idea is stupid and doesn't make any sense in the context of everything that happens during the movie (like parts of it taking place outside of her perspective, she didn't know about the lobotomy patient, etc.)

Here's the sequence of events and all of them seem to contradict each other.

Before/during the opening title sequence we see the killer with a healed surgical scar on his head attacking the woman in the opening segment before the movie proper begins.

We then next hear of him in the hospital when we meet Give-a-Damn Dad talking about him with the nurse and they mention that he's in need of a lobotomy.  They then "check in" on him (re: sorta look at his bed from across the room) and we see that he's (somehow) escaped from the hospital.

Presumably hours later we see Give-a-Damn Dad come home where a news-report speaks of the murders committed outside the hospital, presuming it to be an escaped patient or something.

Give-a-Damn Dad then goes into the hospital to "check in on a patient."

The attacks and murders occur in the house by the lobotomy patient, who doesn't have a surgical scar on his head (though I guess it could be covered by the surgical cap.)

Later that night/very early the next morning GaDD calls his wife and she asks about the escaped patient.

The next morning/afternoon the dad returns home, answers one of his phones, and is told by his staff that one of his patients has escaped, prompting him to "rush" back to the hospital.

So what the heck is going on here? Did the hospital know the guy escaped or not? If they did when? If not did they really go several hours not checking in on thus guy's room?  Why wasn't he hooked up to any machines, IVs, life signs monitors, etc. He was a SURGICAL PATIENT!   I mean, I'll give you he "could" escape if he managed to unhook himself from the machine and managed to get out before anyone checked on the alarms going off or being seen.

But his disappearance really went unnoticed from anywhere between a few hours (when the dad went back to the hospital/the murders were found/he calls home) and 12 hours (the call the next morning.)

And, man, he really did clean up the house very, very well after the girl "fainted", not to mention recovered from hsi injury.

Ugh, this movie makes no damn sense.  And it tries to make it all add up my making the whole thing a dream but even THAT doesn't make sense!

Steven Tyler, you suck.




TheUnabeefer

I think it's all the dream of Diane's from right after the jitterbug contest during the opening credits up until when the cowboy comes in to wake her up. After that it's all her "post-sleep/dream" awakened state where she has to come to terms with having had someone killed and what she's become through being in the Hollywood "game".... with a few flashbacks from before her sleep/dream, which led up to her putting the hit on Camilla Rhodes, her lover who betrayed her.

It's all actually pretty straightforward, and kudos to anyone who knows right off what I'm talking about. :D
...and there he was, reigning supreme at number two.  The One... The Only... The Unabeefer.