Grindhouse

[Chaos]

Well to be fair, in Pulp Fiction there is a scene where Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta talk about hamburgers, which has really nothing to do with the plot but is extremely funny.

The difference there being that when SLJ and JT were talking about hamburgers, it was FUNNY. They also didn't talk about hamburgers for roughly 39 minutes straight (in the full-length, non-US version that I unfortuantely sat through).

[Phantom of Krankor]

Ok, well, Planet Terror was okay (certainly a hell of a lot better than Death Proof), but I found it unnecessarily gorey... gore for the sake of gore, as I have said on more than one occasion, is not really very entertaining.

Well, the violence was meant to be over the top and done in good humor to not really turn anyone off about it. But like someone else said, you have to be familiar with 70s exploitation films which had probably even more over the top violence just for the sake of violence as well as all of the random and pointless innuendo which Planet Terror parodies.

[RhodesWatson]

Well to be fair, in Pulp Fiction there is a scene where Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta talk about hamburgers, which has really nothing to do with the plot but is extremely funny.

Yeah but their conversation took all of 2 minutes!!! that is a far cry from numerous 20 minute conversations about nothing.

[Big Blonde]

Yeah but their conversation took all of 2 minutes!!! that is a far cry from numerous 20 minute conversations about nothing.

Well, while the dialog in Death Proof may seem like it's meaningless, I'd argue that it's just like the beginning of Reservoir Dogs. Steve Buschemi spends at least 20 explaining why he doesn't tip waitresses and discussing what the real meaning of Like a Virgin is. Nothing to do with the plot of the movie, but it's just Tarantino's way of characterizing. I personally think that all the conversations between the girls were very interesting and gave a lot of insight into their characters, but that's just me.

[RhodesWatson]

Well, while the dialog in Death Proof may seem like it's meaningless, I'd argue that it's just like the beginning of Reservoir Dogs. Steve Buschemi spends at least 20 explaining why he doesn't tip waitresses and discussing what the real meaning of Like a Virgin is. Nothing to do with the plot of the movie, but it's just Tarantino's way of characterizing. I personally think that all the conversations between the girls were very interesting and gave a lot of insight into their characters, but that's just me.

It's completely meaningless to me because most of the characters are not too interesting to begin with, they're just cookie cutter, run-of-the-mill junkies AND they do NOTHING but get high and talk about getting high. If we're going to get background on someone, why don't we get more about Stuntman Mike besides what the Cowboy Sheriff and his son say about his motives?

[Chaos]

Ok, well, Planet Terror was okay (certainly a hell of a lot better than Death Proof), but I found it unnecessarily gorey... gore for the sake of gore, as I have said on more than one occasion, is not really very entertaining.

Well, the violence was meant to be over the top and done in good humor to not really turn anyone off about it. But like someone else said, you have to be familiar with 70s exploitation films which had probably even more over the top violence just for the sake of violence as well as all of the random and pointless innuendo which Planet Terror parodies.

I am familiar with the works of 70s exploitation films. It's a serious mistake to confuse someone not liking something with someone not understanding it. And I didn't even say anything about the violence. I was specifically referring to the level of gore, which is a different issue. I clearly said that I enjoyed the "action" parts in an unthinking, switched-off kind of way.

[MrTorso]

Really??!

Junkies??

Really??!

[Big Blonde]

It's completely meaningless to me because most of the characters are not too interesting to begin with, they're just cookie cutter, run-of-the-mill junkies AND they do NOTHING but get high and talk about getting high. If we're going to get background on someone, why don't we get more about Stuntman Mike besides what the Cowboy Sheriff and his son say about his motives?

I wouldn't really call any of the girls junkies, since all they do is smoke pot and drink. Besides, I think the difference in the two groups of girls interesting. The first group seems a lot more promiscuous with their bodies and other substances, while the second group seems a lot tamer in comparison. All of this is based off the conversations that each group has. It also makes me wonder if Tarantino didn't do this on purpose and have the wilder girls die and let the calmer girls survive, but I might be reading to much into the movie.

[Chaos]

That movie seemed more like Tarantino followed Kurt Russel to a bar and just filmed the boring shit that was going on around him, then CGIed in the bits before and after the bar.

[RhodesWatson]

That movie seemed more like Tarantino followed Kurt Russel to a bar and just filmed the boring shit that was going on around him, then CGIed in the bits before and after the bar.

I apologize to all Tarantino fans well in advance, but Chaos seems very much on the ball to me.

[Quicksilver]

ok this is my honest interpretation, mind you rumple minze, weed and vicotin, but anyway.

tarantino lost me on grindhouse. the dialog dragged, however the ending almost makes up for it. Planet Terror; I think this movie rocked. I found the gore so over the top it was hilarious. Like I said to my fiance, "the movie's so gory it tops everything, almost monty python like." She wouldn't watch the disemboweling of the guy in the hospital, but after that she and I were just laughing our asses off.
like the table leg leg. the helicopter the grenade launch jump. the nurse's friends. the especially your father(messed up). the I never miss sequence, and the second I never miss

[bettertomorrowamy]

ok this is my honest interpretation, mind you rumple minze, weed and vicotin, but anyway.

tarantino lost me on grindhouse. the dialog dragged, however the ending almost makes up for it. Planet Terror; I think this movie rocked. I found the gore so over the top it was hilarious. Like I said to my fiance, "the movie's so gory it tops everything, almost monty python like." She wouldn't watch the disemboweling of the guy in the hospital, but after that she and I were just laughing our asses off.

Planet Terror was by Rodriguez.  Death Proof was by Tarantino. 

[Quicksilver]

ok this is my honest interpretation, mind you rumple minze, weed and vicotin, but anyway.

tarantino lost me on grindhouse. the dialog dragged, however the ending almost makes up for it. Planet Terror; I think this movie rocked. I found the gore so over the top it was hilarious. Like I said to my fiance, "the movie's so gory it tops everything, almost monty python like." She wouldn't watch the disemboweling of the guy in the hospital, but after that she and I were just laughing our asses off.

Planet Terror was by Rodriguez.  Death Proof was by Tarantino. 

I'm completely aware of that......hmm, what did I say wrong. oh I said grindhouse, meant death proof, I had to re-read my post about three times before I caight that......opps.

Tarantino really wasnt good in either movie, his character sucked in planet terror and his writing of death proof sucked. The dialogue in death proof was soooooooo boring. He tried to do it in planet terror too, with his character, just some small things but they lost me.

[SmilinJackRoss]

Well, I for one adored Death Proof.  I know this has been said already, but it bears repeating...Death Proof is an homage to a certain type of filmmaking, namely 1970's exploitation action films.  Going into Death Proof, you really have to have some baseline knowledge of these films to truly appreciate Death Proof for whay it is.  These movies have a certain style and tone, they many times feature exploitation of women, as well as authentic action & stunts, & very often many of them padded out the movie with dialogue to make them reach a feature length runtime.  All these things Tarantino recognizes & adheres to, but also winks at them and flips them on their head.

Death Proof was brilliant, and I loved every minute of it.

I have Planet Terror sitting at home, but haven't had the chance to watch it yet.

[Chaos]

Can you accept the fact that somebody in the world could, at the same time, understand what Tarantino was going for, AND think he failed miserably?

I am completely aware of what the 70s exploitation films were about. I have watched them. I have enjoyed a (very small) number of them. I have the "baseline knowledge" you speak of. I still feel, personally, that Death Proof was a steaming pile of moldy crap.

I wish people would stop saying "you have to understand X," as though implying that the ONLY way you could not like something is if you were too stupid or uninformed to "get" it.