Star Trek...2013...Yep, it's happening.

[Russell]

I also loved Chris Pine Shirtless this fine Trek film

A woman once told me she'd love to climb Chris's Pine.

[Sideswipe]

this spock has become more emotionally unstable than the original spock, getting more in touch with his human side, hence the make out session.[/quote]

I still think thats BS and really inconsistant.  It seems badly placed to try and apeal to female viewers.

[/quote]there are numerous instances of a lower rank gaining the captaincy after the debilitation of a former captain if that person acts meritoriously and goes above and beyond the call of duty in the Star trek universe. and Kirk was going to a special section of starfleet academy in the first place for a command position.
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Can you name a single instance where someone who hasn't graduated training has been given command of a brand new flag ship with less than a day's experience commanding anything?  Why the brand new Enterprise seems crewed entirely by recent grads in the first place boggles the mind as well.

Kirk was not going to a special section of the academy.  He was going to command training that numerous other people had gone through.

Yeah but hadn't they started transporting live subjects in Enterprise?  Which was, what, 80 years beforehand?

Yeah and in TNG and DS9 They transport at warp speed all the time. In those two series they do say that it is harder then a normal transport but it is the Spock from that timeline who sets it up and just like in those series it doesn't work perfectly so I don't have a problem with it.

[turbospaz3000]

i cant tell who is saying what.

[Smith Dr John Smith]

this spock has become more emotionally unstable than the original spock, getting more in touch with his human side, hence the make out session.

I still think thats BS and really inconsistant.  It seems badly placed to try and apeal to female viewers.

[/quote]there are numerous instances of a lower rank gaining the captaincy after the debilitation of a former captain if that person acts meritoriously and goes above and beyond the call of duty in the Star trek universe. and Kirk was going to a special section of starfleet academy in the first place for a command position.
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Can you name a single instance where someone who hasn't graduated training has been given command of a brand new flag ship with less than a day's experience commanding anything?  Why the brand new Enterprise seems crewed entirely by recent grads in the first place boggles the mind as well.

Kirk was not going to a special section of the academy.  He was going to command training that numerous other people had gone through.

Yeah but hadn't they started transporting live subjects in Enterprise?  Which was, what, 80 years beforehand?

Yeah and in TNG and DS9 They transport at warp speed all the time. In those two series they do say that it is harder then a normal transport but it is the Spock from that timeline who sets it up and just like in those series it doesn't work perfectly so I don't have a problem with it.

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The same reason they were on the ship in Star Trek II.  The same reason the Enterprise is always the only ship in range to save the galaxy,the same reason the crew spends 30 years at the same rank doing the same job. Starfleet has always operated on the rule of cool instead of real world rules. This movie didn't break any rules that had not already been broken in Star Trek's past.  Go back and watch the show,if a real captain broke orders as many times as Kirk did would he still be in command of a state of the art military ship?

[Sideswipe]

They are on the ship in II because by that time the Enterprise is 30 years old and a training ship assigned to the academy, no longer in active duty. 

I realize I forgot to answer your post about the transporting at warp.  Yes it's been done, but only when the both locations are relatively close.  Not many light years away. 

[Jito463]

Actually, to the best of my knowledge, the only time transporting was attempted at warp, was when both ships were traveling at the same speed, within close proximity.  This was transporting from a stationary location to a ship in warp.  That has never been done before in any of the series (again, to the best of my knowledge).  Mind you, this is speaking merely as someone who likes watching the show, not as a nerd who keep tracks of every single technical detail, so this is mostly off the top of my head.

[Smith Dr John Smith]

All I can say is yes they broke a rule and if you think the most important part of the film makers job is to get the workings of the transporter(a device that science tells us can never exist in the first place)right and never change them then just avoid this movie because it is in fact the worst piece of garbage ever made.

But cheer up I am sure some day the Star Trek technical manual will be turned into a film,and it will have no story or action scenes and will be the greatest film ever made.

[Sideswipe]

Its not the fact that it flys in the face of what we know about transporter technology.  It's the fact that it's a cheap cop out and shitty writing.

[Jito463]

In my opinion, they broke several rules (both in character development and in technical details).  This was merely one of them.  I already covered part of the character development problems I had with it, too.  Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?  This isn't just about one technical detail, it's about multiple problems that simply altering the timeline shouldn't have changed.  While I understand the need to suspend disbelief for a movie (yes, i realize that transporters do not actually exist), the movie should still follow the rules of the fictional world it takes place in, which were set by the TV series and movies that preceded it.

[Smith Dr John Smith]

So again why not just film the tech Shatner reading the tech manual.  You know before TNG they couldn't transport at warp period so TNG changed the rules too.  Heck Starfleet didn't even exist in the first season of Star Trek.  Star Trek season one took place in the 2100s and the Enterprise answered to the United Earth Space probe agency,season two on it was in the 2200s and part of the United Federation of Planets,James R Kirk was changed to James T Kirk for no reason,Romulans flew Klingon ships in the third season,Spock can from Vulcania at one point and his mother wasn't human.  Face it Star Trek has never been well written.  If the load of crap being produced right now offends you because it is not in line with the crap you think is important all I can say is avoid the movie.  i don't think there is anything else to say.

[shodan]

well it is set in an alternate timeline, so maybe the technology developed differently and.... wait what the hell? i just realized, why the hell didnt the temporal prime directive come into play here, this should have been caught by the Federation department of temporal investigations!


haha just kidding.... but no really they should have stepped in here.

[Jito463]

So again why not just film the tech Shatner reading the tech manual.  You know before TNG they couldn't transport at warp period so TNG changed the rules too.  Heck Starfleet didn't even exist in the first season of Star Trek.  Star Trek season one took place in the 2100s and the Enterprise answered to the United Earth Space probe agency,season two on it was in the 2200s and part of the United Federation of Planets,James R Kirk was changed to James T Kirk for no reason,Romulans flew Klingon ships in the third season,Spock can from Vulcania at one point and his mother wasn't human.  Face it Star Trek has never been well written.  If the load of crap being produced right now offends you because it is not in line with the crap you think is important all I can say is avoid the movie.  i don't think there is anything else to say.

Sheesh, what crawled up your backside?  Any reason you're getting so testy about my post?

[Sideswipe]

that is standard Doctor Who

[shodan]

So again why not just film the tech Shatner reading the tech manual.  You know before TNG they couldn't transport at warp period so TNG changed the rules too.  Heck Starfleet didn't even exist in the first season of Star Trek.  Star Trek season one took place in the 2100s and the Enterprise answered to the United Earth Space probe agency,season two on it was in the 2200s and part of the United Federation of Planets,James R Kirk was changed to James T Kirk for no reason,Romulans flew Klingon ships in the third season,Spock can from Vulcania at one point and his mother wasn't human.  Face it Star Trek has never been well written.  If the load of crap being produced right now offends you because it is not in line with the crap you think is important all I can say is avoid the movie.  i don't think there is anything else to say.

Sheesh, what crawled up your backside?  Any reason you're getting so testy about my post?

dont worry about it, that's doc.... and a few other people on the forum as well. dont take it personal. technically you're not a fully fledged poster on this forum until he and at least two others have said that you should be raped to death by wolves. this is a popular venting forum i think.

[D.B. Barnes]

A whole new worrrrld...