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Alice the only thing close to a likable character?

Started by elusive robert denby, March 21, 2010, 07:15:41 PM

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ShadowDog

However, she's hooked up with Jasper, right?  Ew!  She doesn't have much taste.
"Did she just say Chipping?"

stansimpson

Alice, the classmates, and the dad were all likable on some level to me.

That's what really surprised me about the first movie because I expected it to be a bonafide Bad Movie.  For the kids, I thought they were goofy but self-aware enough to pull off being likable and real (rather than being the typical cardboard sugar Disney Channel teens).  I think Compound summed up the dad perfectly.  And I'm with denby on Ashley Green.  Not sure if she's the only supernatural character I like just cuz I fancy her or if she's actually a decent character.   ;)

Thrifty

Alice was okay--she's certainly more likeable than Edward or Bella--but I thought she was annoyingly perky.

Tyrant

Victoria. Because she's trying to kill Bella and that's cool by me.

Darth Geek

Quote from: Tyrant on March 22, 2010, 08:05:25 AM
Victoria. Because she's trying to kill Bella and that's cool by me.
And she's gorgeous, especially with her red hair. Rawr.


elusive robert denby

Spoony of The Spoony Experiment summed up Bella perfectly:

You know, the more I think about Bella, the more shocked and appalled I am at her behavior. Throughout the movies she displays a neediness and selfishness that verges on sociopathic, almost as if she can't even begin to comprehend the feelings of others as she leaves misery and broken hearts in her wake– and not just of her potential paramours. Think about her father, Charlie, and all the melodrama he has to put up with. She regularly comes home battered, bruised, and beaten, but answers his honest concerns only with lies. She disappears into the woods, collapses from exhaustion and exposure, causing him to mobilize a town-wide search for her *beep* dead body, and returns with absolutely no explanation. Then she drops everything to flee to Italy for an indeterminate amount of time, and even the vampire Alice voices more concern for Charlie's feelings than Bella does. Her hopeless, helpless, woe-is-me attitude veers beyond mere misogyny and becomes truly grotesque.

Think about her friends and her mother, whose lives would be devastated if her suicidal thrill-seeking ended her life. Does she care? No, because she can't see beyond her own needs, acting for months like a petulant child denied her favorite toy. When it becomes clear that becoming a vampire would call off the truce between the Cullens and the werewolves, does Bella care that her incessant demands to become a vampire would therefore put the Cullens (who she claims to care about) in constant, mortal danger? No. Does she care that people are dying, being torn apart by wolves, sucked dry by vengeful vampires, all because she doesn't have the good sense to get away from undead monsters? No. Does she care that her dad, who dotes on her constantly (only God knows why) has to clean up after these bodies? No. Does she even spare a moment to consider Edward's feelings against turning her into a monster like him? No.

In fact, her desire to become a vampire is completely selfish as well. She's worried about getting old, fat, and wrinkly like everyone else, and damn it, that's not fair! Why should Edward stay young and dreamy for all eternity, and not ME? ME, ME, ME! Even once Edward has gone, I don't think her pissy mood has as much to do with being alone as hating the thought that Edward could possibly be happy without her.

Anyone who relates to this girl is incredibly disturbed and needs some serious mental help. Anyone who's ever been in love has perhaps wrestled with the same feelings, the same neediness that Bella experiences in these movies, but it's a high school crush. We got over it. We moved on. Sure, that first love and that first loss were hell, but we got a grip on our lives and moved on. You should never have to beg for love, and if you do, it ain't love

THE QUEEN!!!

Alice was the only person in the movie I wouldn't vomit on if I met her in real life. The others I would throw a bomb at and run away from. But even she has that horrible clothes sense and ugly haircut. There is, in other words, nothing redeeming about this movie. But nice try.
"Kissing is like WiFi. Just get within the general area." ---New Moon RT

anais.jude

Actually, I think Alice's radio silence was really messed up. She should have kept her email address and then, when Bella kept emailing and whining about Edward, she should have slapped some sense in her and told her to date Jacob. Bella would have gotten over sparkly boy, dated jacob, done the deed, and then gone to college like a normal person

Tyrant

I find Bella to be a completely repulsive character. On screen, she comes off as detached, uncharismatic, and manically depressed. That her "friends" try throughout the movie to consistently and aggressively include her in anything when it's obvious she doesn't give a crap about being around them is sloppy story telling. That her Dad doesn't get her some psychiatric help is even messier. That she would appeal to any guy is just...beyond logic.

Unless it's just normal for Bella to be the moody, selfish little twit she is. In which case sitting in front of a window for months and screaming and writhing in bed might be typical.

Stephanie Meyer and Tommy Wiseau seem to be operating on the exact same frequency when it comes to understanding human behavior.

anais.jude

Quote from: Tyrant on March 22, 2010, 03:21:08 PM
Stephanie Meyer and Tommy Wiseau seem to be operating on the exact same frequency when it comes to understanding human behavior.

Oh Hai, reality

THE QUEEN!!!

I was actually thinking about how horrible Bella is during this movie. I couldn't help think why she is screaming in her sleep over an emo guy, and the only way she is healed is through ANOTHER boyfriend? That's what we call codependency. Terrible message to be sending to fragile 13 year old girls.
"Kissing is like WiFi. Just get within the general area." ---New Moon RT

Lovye

Quote from: THE QUEEN!!! on March 22, 2010, 10:58:17 PM
I was actually thinking about how horrible Bella is during this movie. I couldn't help think why she is screaming in her sleep over an emo guy, and the only way she is healed is through ANOTHER boyfriend? That's what we call codependency. Terrible message to be sending to fragile 13 year old girls.

It's POSSIBLE (not that a 13 year old would think this way), that she was screaming over Victoria being able to kill her now...

THE QUEEN!!!

Quote from: Lovye on March 22, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: THE QUEEN!!! on March 22, 2010, 10:58:17 PM
I was actually thinking about how horrible Bella is during this movie. I couldn't help think why she is screaming in her sleep over an emo guy, and the only way she is healed is through ANOTHER boyfriend? That's what we call codependency. Terrible message to be sending to fragile 13 year old girls.

It's POSSIBLE (not that a 13 year old would think this way), that she was screaming over Victoria being able to kill her now...

Considering, in the film anyway, she didnt even know about that til AFTER that montage, I don't think that's true.
"Kissing is like WiFi. Just get within the general area." ---New Moon RT

PlayMSTie

Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 21, 2010, 07:20:24 PM
She is one of the few who is - and normally I hate this word - proactive.



Although she did forget that there are other phones in Italy.  ;)
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Bring back Bridget!

Lemming Howard

I agree with Mr. Denby that Spoony nailed Bella in his review of the movie.  I heard his review before ever seeing the movie(and only with the rifftrax).  It didn't spoil the movie whatsoever.  It is extraordinary how she is supposed to be even a sympathetic character never mind she's the "heroine."
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