This really passes for a "band"??

[RobtheBarbarian]

Don't pretend like you understand me. *tear*

[kodiakthejuggler]

LEAVE ROBTHEBARBARIAN ALONE!!!

[MrTorso]

I am not sure how many copies we got in but we sold out of them. Even if we only had 1 copy that is 1 copy to much.

[Wheaty Petestraw]

It's obvious to me who needs the time out. Ingrown Asshair is just a metal maniac. I am too. We understand that our music is not enjoyed by the masses. We understand it's considered stupid and moronic by some. We understand why people aren't won over by "cookie monster" vocals. It is Isaac who doesn't understand. He is appalled that we might throw a barb in his direction regarding his insistence that rap/metal is a good fusion, because he is insecure. He thinks we are out to get him, when in fact we, as metalheads, do it just to piss him off and laugh when he gets upset.

It's what we do, and we mean no harm. But he doesn't get that. He defends his musical tastes so vehemently that he'll drop the f-bomb with aplomb and call us every name in the book, as if it actually sinks into our moronic metalhead brains. It doesn't. Rap/Metal still sucks, and we still laugh at his anger.

Yet we are at ease. We are not steaming. We do not need time out to cool down.

And by the way, the contents of this post are in regards to "Rap/Metal" fusion only and not legitimate genres such as classical, jazz, rock, funk, etc. After all, we ARE talking about a band who's main ingredients are Metal and Rap.

No, and it's quite comical when people keep coming up with the same tired assumptions about metal. Same thing with rap. There are a LOT of derivative and just flat-out crappy bands in both genres.

I disagree about rap/metal not being legitimate... just the stuff that Isaac listens to. Generally, it's a bad idea (or at least poorly executed), but Faith No More were doing it years before Anthrax decided to try their hand at it. They also released their first album (which had elements of rap) before Aerosmith collaborated with Run DMC.

[Wheaty Petestraw]

LEAVE ROBTHEBARBARIAN ALONE!!!

I demand that you take this image of me off of the internet immediately, or I will pursue legal action against you! You have been warned!

[RoninFox]

LEAVE ROBTHEBARBARIAN ALONE!!!

That chick really needs to wax her mustache.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

It's obvious to me who needs the time out. Ingrown Asshair is just a metal maniac. I am too. We understand that our music is not enjoyed by the masses. We understand it's considered stupid and moronic by some. We understand why people aren't won over by "cookie monster" vocals. It is Isaac who doesn't understand. He is appalled that we might throw a barb in his direction regarding his insistence that rap/metal is a good fusion, because he is insecure. He thinks we are out to get him, when in fact we, as metalheads, do it just to piss him off and laugh when he gets upset.

It's what we do, and we mean no harm. But he doesn't get that. He defends his musical tastes so vehemently that he'll drop the f-bomb with aplomb and call us every name in the book, as if it actually sinks into our moronic metalhead brains. It doesn't. Rap/Metal still sucks, and we still laugh at his anger.

Yet we are at ease. We are not steaming. We do not need time out to cool down.

And by the way, the contents of this post are in regards to "Rap/Metal" fusion only and not legitimate genres such as classical, jazz, rock, funk, etc. After all, we ARE talking about a band who's main ingredients are Metal and Rap.

No, and it's quite comical when people keep coming up with the same tired assumptions about metal. Same thing with rap. There are a LOT of derivative and just flat-out crappy bands in both genres.

I disagree about rap/metal not being legitimate... just the stuff that Isaac listens to.

I don't listen to a whole lot of rap-metal. And when I occasionally listen to something from that genre, it's usually from its innovators (I.E., Rage Against the Machine). ALL of the bands that I listen to are legitimate. You only consider music "legitimate" when it fits into your limited view of music. Legitimate does not mean "brutal". Legitimate means that the musicians are honest and actually do enjoy making music. I only listen to music by people who are genuine, and have genuine talent.

Generally, it's a bad idea (or at least poorly executed,

I agree that fusing hip hop with rock has not always been well done, but that doesn't make it a bad idea. The existence of those shitty mainstream bands doesn't take away from the fact that fusing hip hop with rock has been done well, particularly by Hed PE.

but Faith No More were doing it years before Anthrax decided to try their hand at it. They also released their first album (which had elements of rap) before Aerosmith collaborated with Run DMC.

And The Clash added hip hop into their musical styles way before Faith No More. Do you have a point, or are you just continuing to be a shithead?

Another reminder -- KOOL KEITH WAS INFLUENCED BY ESHAM! ESHAM INVENTED ACID RAP! And, for that matter, Esham had albums on the Billboard charts long before anyone knew who Kool Keith was. Your bashing of Esham shows that you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

LEAVE ROBTHEBARBARIAN ALONE!!!

I demand that you take this image of me off of the internet immediately, or I will pursue legal action against you! You have been warned!

In all seriousness, you DO have the same musical tastes as Chris Crocker. Just let it go. Try taking all those Britney Spears, Coldplay, Linkin Park and Hollywood Undead CDs you own and burning them in a bonfire. It will be therapeutic for you.

Then buy some albums by good bands. Have you heard anything from Esham or Hed PE? They're very good.

[jewishcarpenter]

Why do I get the urge to gouge my own eyes out after reading through arguments Isaac is involved in? Why is that Isaac? No one else has that effect on me. "Because I'm right" is not a viable answer, sorry.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

Why do I get the urge to gouge my own eyes out after reading through arguments Isaac is involved in? Why is that Isaac? No one else has that effect on me. "Because I'm right" is not a viable answer, sorry.

The problem here is with IA. I'm joking around with him. He seriously thinks that he's being picked on. I don't know why he gets so wound up about music like this, but this would not happen as often if he didn't insult people for liking music that he does not like -- especially good music, like Esham and Hed PE.

(Again, Esham invented acid rap and influenced Kool Keith, not the other way around.)

[k1]

For anyone who is interested, if you pre-ordered the Hollywood Undead CD from Mr Torso's fine place of work, you get a free autographed booklet.

I laughed when I saw that in the weekly new release email.

[Wheaty Petestraw]

Why do I get the urge to gouge my own eyes out after reading through arguments Isaac is involved in? Why is that Isaac? No one else has that effect on me. "Because I'm right" is not a viable answer, sorry.

The problem here is with IA. I'm joking around with him. He seriously thinks that he's being picked on. I don't know why he gets so wound up about music like this, but this would not happen as often if he didn't insult people for liking music that he does not like -- especially good music, like Esham and Hed PE.

Wait, what? You're telling ME that I think I'm being picked on? Since when did you speak for me (or anyone else for that matter)? I get wound up? That's laughable, but not so much as you considering Roots-era Sepultura to be death metal. Sorry, dude, but those days are long behind them. Their first EP and LP were death metal.. after that, they jumped on the thrash bandwagon and then jumped onto the groove bandwagon when it became popularized by Pantera. They're a trend-hopping band that happened to release some killer material early in their career. They should have called it a day after Chaos AD. Roots was an embarrassment no matter which way you look at it. It figures that you would champion that as their best release. Have you even heard Schizophrenia, Beneath the Remains or Arise?

[Petey Wheatstraw]

Why do I get the urge to gouge my own eyes out after reading through arguments Isaac is involved in? Why is that Isaac? No one else has that effect on me. "Because I'm right" is not a viable answer, sorry.

The problem here is with IA. I'm joking around with him. He seriously thinks that he's being picked on. I don't know why he gets so wound up about music like this, but this would not happen as often if he didn't insult people for liking music that he does not like -- especially good music, like Esham and Hed PE.

Wait, what? You're telling ME that I think I'm being picked on? Since when did you speak for me (or anyone else for that matter)? I get wound up?

So, you basically just confirmed what I just said.

That's laughable, but not so much as you considering Roots-era Sepultura to be death metal.

That's not what I said. What I said, was, in fact, that they were death metal at some point, but that you didn't like that album because it wasn't death metal. I really feel that I shouldn't have to explain these things to you, but you're a bit slow, so I guess it's hard for you to keep up.

Their first EP and LP were death metal.. after that, they jumped on the thrash bandwagon and then jumped onto the groove bandwagon when it became popularized by Pantera. They're a trend-hopping band that happened to release some killer material early in their career.

Are they trend-hoppers, or do they just like experimenting with different things? I'm pretty sure that Frank Zappa wasn't "trend-hopping" when he incorporated funk elements into Over-Nite Sensation (I.E., "I'm the Slime," which P-Funk sometimes cover in their live performances).

And, by the way, EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK DO THE BRAZILIAN TRIBAL MUSIC AND HARDCORE PUNK INFLUENCES ON THAT ALBUM HAVE TO DO WITH "TREND HOPPING"?

They should have called it a day after Chaos AD. Roots was an embarrassment no matter which way you look at it. It figures that you would champion that as their best release. Have you even heard Schizophrenia, Beneath the Remains or Arise?

It's not embarrassing to experiment with a wide range of different styles and advance your art form. You only think that because you're a twerp who thinks that Esham (who invented acid rap) was influenced by Kool Keith (who did not invent acid rap). Roots is not embarrassing. In fact, it's been widely praised as one of the best metal albums of all time. You're just too stupid to handle originality and creativity. If something doesn't sound EXACTLY THE SAME as everything else you enjoy, you won't hear it.

And, for the record, I never said it was their best release. What I said was that it was MY FAVORITE METAL ALBUM. But if you continue to act this stupid, I'll start saying that Roots was Sepultura's best release so you can stomp your feet and wail.

Speaking of Pantera, Dimebag Darrell, Rex Brown, and Vinnie Paul did an album with David Allan Coe called Rebel Meets Rebel. I doubt you've ever listened to that. You probably think that one is embarrassing because it's a cross between metal and country, huh? Good grief, your arguments just keep getting dumber and dumber.

Can someone give this brat his pacifier so he'll stop crying?

[kodiakthejuggler]

In fact, it's been widely praised as one of the best metal albums of all time.

Not sure where you got that information from, but I'm pretty sure Roots doesn't place anywhere near the top of the best Metal albums chart. For the record, I liked what they did on Roots. The title track is great, Cut-Throat is an awesome song, and Ratamahatta is damn fun! And the cover is sweet.

[Petey Wheatstraw]

In fact, it's been widely praised as one of the best metal albums of all time.

Not sure where you got that information from, but I'm pretty sure Roots doesn't place anywhere near the top of the best Metal albums chart.

Well, I didn't say that it's considered the best, just that it was considered "one of the best". According to Wikipedia, The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal ranks it as the 11th best metal album of all time, although I've never actually read that book to confirm this claim.

For the record, I liked what they did on Roots. The title track is great, Cut-Throat is an awesome song, and Ratamahatta is damn fun! And the cover is sweet.

Agreed.