PotC: Dead Man's Chest was terrible

[J-Proof]

X3 was okay, but could have been better imo.

Get some Chris Nolan into that beee-aaaaatch

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

X-3 won me over the second i realized they just killed cyclops.  God that guy was a bad actor

[RobtheBarbarian]

I liked X3 better than X2 for some reason. It might have had something to do with the premise of the moving going back to the classic style of the X-Men and the Brotherhood tearing at each other instead of the forced-feeling pseudo-alliance from X2.

[Sharktopus]

X-3 won me over the second i realized they just killed cyclops.  God that guy was a bad actor

But they'd just made him interesting by having him switch roles with Wolverine. Now Scott was all broody and who-gives-a-crap, and Logan's leading the team through Danger Room exercises. It could've been a good, meaty dynamic, but instead they just killed him.

I didn't have any probably with James Marsden's acting as Cyclops, and I though he was one of the only bright points in Superman Returns. The writing for Cyclops, on the other hand...

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

It's funny Sharky, I liked X3.  I'm convinced Brett Ratner is at his best when he's emulating someone else.  I think his best movies are Red Dragon and X3, and both of those movies have one thing in common; they don't feel like Brett Ratner movies, he was copying the vibe of the previous films in the series.  Ratner is a hack, but he can make a good movie when he doesn't have to come up with anything creative on his own, and can just copy previous filmmaker's visions.

Anyway, back on topic.  Maybe non-sensical is the wrong word...Maybe more like randomly silly.  Like the story had no logical direction or interesting characters.  OK, there's the ship, the key, the chest, the heart, but these were nothing but McGuffins.  There's no genuine plot, just set piece after set piece that allows the characters to run around in.  I didn't find the comedy funny, the action exciting, nor the drama captivating.  Afterwards, the only feeling I had was that it was a waste of time.

Alright, now I understand why you dislike it so.

I admit a lot of stuff could have been cut, but I liked it better with those things in. I liked some of the characters. The male lead wasn't that interesting (how many are?), but Jack Sparrow and Female Lead still had a fair amount of charm and a good turn of character developement. I thought that the two pirates leftover from the first movie were an entertaining pair, kind of like Rozencrants and Guildenstern with gum disease, and the british commander has some power to his role.

[Sharktopus]

I admit a lot of stuff could have been cut, but I liked it better with those things in. I liked some of the characters. The male lead wasn't that interesting (how many are?), but Jack Sparrow and Female Lead still had a fair amount of charm and a good turn of character developement. I thought that the two pirates leftover from the first movie were an entertaining pair, kind of like Rozencrants and Guildenstern with gum disease, and the british commander has some power to his role.

At the risk of sounding really snarky, how great is a movie where you can't remember the characters' names?

"Rosencrantz & Gildenstern with gum disease" 

[J-Proof]

I admit a lot of stuff could have been cut, but I liked it better with those things in. I liked some of the characters. The male lead wasn't that interesting (how many are?), but Jack Sparrow and Female Lead still had a fair amount of charm and a good turn of character developement. I thought that the two pirates leftover from the first movie were an entertaining pair, kind of like Rozencrants and Guildenstern with gum disease, and the british commander has some power to his role.

At the risk of sounding really snarky, how great is a movie where you can't remember the characters' names?

"Rosencrantz & Gildenstern with gum disease" 

hey! I loved RotJedi but wouldn't have been able to tell you ponda baba's name!!

[Pak-Man]

Cyclops suffers from what I like to call the Leonardo Syndrome. It's what happens to a character when his only defining trait is "Leader." See also: Duke, Rodimus Prime, Blossom...

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Honestly, most of the time, they don't matter.

Give me a break. It's been, like, a year since I've seen it, and I'm not good at names. >.>


X-3 I have issues with. Many. But the biggest is "The Pheonix", described as "a creature of pure desire". It seems like they've just had a plot point to make Jean become evil. Furthermore, it might be excuseable if she actually, you know, behaved like a creature of pure desire. Instead, she did something never clearly defined to Scott, took orders from magneto, and spent most of the film just standing around and being moody.  For that matter, she was as much unlike a "being of pure desire" as it is possible to be, save for making out with Logan.

[Sharktopus]

Cyclops suffers from what I like to call the Leonardo Syndrome. It's what happens to a character when his only defining trait is "Leader." See also: Duke, Rodimus Prime, Blossom...

Yeah, my roommate and I call it Leader Syndrome. From the TMNT thread:

Poor Leonardo suffers from Leader Syndrome. For some reason leader characters in cartoons are only ever given leader personalities and lines. Let's go! Look out! We have to stop them! And so forth. Leonardo, Optimus Prime, Duke, Liono, etc. It happens in comics, too. Cyclops is the perfect example. Even characters who can be interesting in their own books end up boring when they lead teams. Superman in Justice League, Captain America in Avengers, and Robin in Teen Titans become dull, one-dimensional characters. That's the curse of Leader Syndrome.

[Persistence of Memory]

I wouldn't say it was terrible. It was like 2006's Back to the Future: Part II. Almost bad, but a fun movie.

[gbeenie]

I liked X3 better than X2 for some reason. It might have had something to do with the premise of the moving going back to the classic style of the X-Men and the Brotherhood tearing at each other instead of the forced-feeling pseudo-alliance from X2.

Actually, Rob, X2 was a (very) loose adaptation of God Loves, Man Kills, a graphic novel from 1982. In it, the X-Men, along with Magneto, work to stop William Stryker, a televangelist who, while preaching against mutants from the pulpit, was secretly heading a paramilitary operation aimed at wiping them out. Not to mention, Magneto actually ran Xavier's school for a while in the mid-1980's.


And I thought they went back to the well one too many times with Magneto in X3; I waited for so long to see the Hellfire Club, only to have my hopes dashed.

And what the fuck was with the Angel subplot that was never paid off?

And why was Rogue getting "the cure" even remotely important to the story?

And Juggernaut's not a mutant; the "cure" kid should have had no effect on him.

And why was Cyclops killed off? James Marsden have something better to do?

And Magneto can fly; was there any reason for the Golden Gate Bridge bit OTHER than "it looked cool?"

And why have Arclight and Callisto in there at all? The movie versions sucked ass, and bore no resemblance whatsoever to the comics characters.

And come to think of it, did any woman in that movie act as anything other than plot meat? (BTW, look at Ratner's other films [but only if you really really want to; I would never force that on anyone]; has he ever directed a female character who did anything other than move the plot forward and/or look good?)

[gbeenie]

Cyclops suffers from what I like to call the Leonardo Syndrome. It's what happens to a character when his only defining trait is "Leader." See also: Duke, Rodimus Prime, Blossom...

Yeah, my roommate and I call it Leader Syndrome. From the TMNT thread:

Poor Leonardo suffers from Leader Syndrome. For some reason leader characters in cartoons are only ever given leader personalities and lines. Let's go! Look out! We have to stop them! And so forth. Leonardo, Optimus Prime, Duke, Liono, etc. It happens in comics, too. Cyclops is the perfect example. Even characters who can be interesting in their own books end up boring when they lead teams. Superman in Justice League, Captain America in Avengers, and Robin in Teen Titans become dull, one-dimensional characters. That's the curse of Leader Syndrome.

If you get a chance, have a gander at Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men. Apart from being Really Fucking Good, the book finally makes Cyclops interesting.

[Sharktopus]

Cyclops suffers from what I like to call the Leonardo Syndrome. It's what happens to a character when his only defining trait is "Leader." See also: Duke, Rodimus Prime, Blossom...

Yeah, my roommate and I call it Leader Syndrome. From the TMNT thread:

Poor Leonardo suffers from Leader Syndrome. For some reason leader characters in cartoons are only ever given leader personalities and lines. Let's go! Look out! We have to stop them! And so forth. Leonardo, Optimus Prime, Duke, Liono, etc. It happens in comics, too. Cyclops is the perfect example. Even characters who can be interesting in their own books end up boring when they lead teams. Superman in Justice League, Captain America in Avengers, and Robin in Teen Titans become dull, one-dimensional characters. That's the curse of Leader Syndrome.

If you get a chance, have a gander at Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men. Apart from being Really Fucking Good, the book finally makes Cyclops interesting.

Yeah, by pretty much changing Scott into a completely different character. I appreciate what Joss has tried to do with him, but that guy's not Cyclops. None of what Joss has done will stick.

[Phantom of Krankor]

And Magneto can fly; was there any reason for the Golden Gate Bridge bit OTHER than "it looked cool?"

Magneto can only fly when there's metal under him to propel himself up. Hence, why he was flying around in the statue of liberty in the first movie. Sorry, just wanted to point that out.

The biggest problem with X3 was that it didn't touch many of the subplots very much at all. So many of them could have been expanded more to make it more interesting. I still liked X3 though. Its a big, dumb movie, but still fun to watch.

BTW, Fox keeps saying that X3 was the last movie of the series, but what the heck was up with the ending?! And what about the scene at the end of the credits?! You simply can't end the series like that.