Re: Prometheus (2011)

[ManUnderMask]

Ridley Scott has said, multiple times, that Prometheus is not a prequel to Alien.  It's set in the Alien universe, but does not lead into the first film.  In fact, in an interview I heard a week or two ago, he said there'd be at least two more films to explain how we get to the Alien series.

I hate it when a really poor, boring movie is supposed to lead into sequels because that means they intentionally released a boring movie where nothing happens in order to save the good stuff for the sequels. Hey Ridley, make an exciting, engaging, good movie and I'll look forward to a sequel. Make a piece of crap and I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[mrbasehart]

Ridley Scott has said, multiple times, that Prometheus is not a prequel to Alien.  It's set in the Alien universe, but does not lead into the first film.  In fact, in an interview I heard a week or two ago, he said there'd be at least two more films to explain how we get to the Alien series.

I hate it when a really poor, boring movie is supposed to lead into sequels because that means they intentionally released a boring movie where nothing happens in order to save the good stuff for the sequels. Hey Ridley, make an exciting, engaging, good movie and I'll look forward to a sequel. Make a piece of crap and I'll spend my money elsewhere.

He didn't use it as an excuse to make a boring movie, he said it because people wanted to know how directly it connected to Alien.   

[ManUnderMask]

He didn't use it as an excuse to make a boring movie, he said it because people wanted to know how directly it connected to Alien.   

I don't believe Scott intended to make a boring movie. I doubt many filmmakers intend to make them that way. I adore Ridley Scott, and I really wanted to enjoy Prometheus, but I just didn't. I was a little disappointed with the lack of xenomorphs, but not enough to turn me off from it. What turned me off from it was it was a boring, useless movie. Scott really tried to do the slow burning suspense that worked so well in Alien, but it didn't here because Alien was a complete movie where stuff happened. The only two characters who did anything, and that's using the term  loosely, were Noomi Rapace (I forget her character's name) and Michael Fassbender (who was awesome). The rest was a gigantic mess that is obviously supposed to lead into a Prometheus 2. So instead of getting a full, good movie that can stand on it's own like the original Alien, or the first Matrix, we get a boring, slow paced first act so that all the good stuff can happen in the sequel. In fact, this movie reminded me a lot of the third and fourth Resident Evil movies: nothing happens and then there's a sequel hook (except nothing good ever happens in the sequels).

This is just my opinion though.

[Rainbow Dash]

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[ManUnderMask]

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Seems kind of dangerous. I think I'll let you do it.

[Russell]

I actually liked the film. Maybe I did like it because it was tense, interesting, thought-provoking but not meant to be all that scary. Did anybody else find it interesting that the film was a pretty soft-R?

[Pak-Man]

I don't think you could get away with

A detailed, self-inflicted impromptu cessarian/abortion

In a PG movie.

[Rainbow Dash]

It all makes sense now!

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[Relaxing Dragon]

It all makes sense now!

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But where does this fit into the equation?

[Russell]

I don't think you could get away with
A detailed, self-inflicted impromptu cessarian/abortion
In a PG movie.

No, but we have seen things just as graphic in PG-13 rated films. Need I remind you of the graphic shredding of one of the guys in the plane propeller in last year's Captain America? The way Sebastian Shaw was killed in X-men: First class?(Just to name a very random few) Not to mention the face melting and head exploding in Raiders of the lost ark?(which was 31 years ago)

[mrbasehart]

I don't think you could get away with
A detailed, self-inflicted impromptu cessarian/abortion
In a PG movie.

No, but we have seen things just as graphic in PG-13 rated films. Need I remind you of the graphic shredding of one of the guys in the plane propeller in last year's Captain America? The way Sebastian Shaw was killed in X-men: First class?(Just to name a very random few) Not to mention the face melting and head exploding in Raiders of the lost ark?(which was 31 years ago)

It's not just about the explicitness of the action, it's also about its context.  2 of the examples you list - I've yet to see X-Men: First Class - have a number of factors that would "soften" the overall rating of the film: that it's happening to the bad guys, that it's more of a fleeting action than a complete scene, and that set alongside the rest of those films, those moments are few an far between.  Prometheus has a number of things throughout that give it its rating (which got a 15 over here), not just that particular scene - although that particular scene mentioned above would give almost any film an R. 

[Russell]

I don't think you could get away with
A detailed, self-inflicted impromptu cessarian/abortion
In a PG movie.

No, but we have seen things just as graphic in PG-13 rated films. Need I remind you of the graphic shredding of one of the guys in the plane propeller in last year's Captain America? The way Sebastian Shaw was killed in X-men: First class?(Just to name a very random few) Not to mention the face melting and head exploding in Raiders of the lost ark?(which was 31 years ago)

It's not just about the explicitness of the action, it's also about its context.  2 of the examples you list - I've yet to see X-Men: First Class - have a number of factors that would "soften" the overall rating of the film: that it's happening to the bad guys, that it's more of a fleeting action than a complete scene, and that set alongside the rest of those films, those moments are few an far between.  Prometheus has a number of things throughout that give it its rating (which got a 15 over here), not just that particular scene - although that particular scene mentioned above would give almost any film an R. 

So violence happening to good guys is somehow worse than violence happening to bad guys(especially when it's in a medical context)? Anybody for a cup of common sense?

[mrbasehart]

I don't think you could get away with
A detailed, self-inflicted impromptu cessarian/abortion
In a PG movie.

No, but we have seen things just as graphic in PG-13 rated films. Need I remind you of the graphic shredding of one of the guys in the plane propeller in last year's Captain America? The way Sebastian Shaw was killed in X-men: First class?(Just to name a very random few) Not to mention the face melting and head exploding in Raiders of the lost ark?(which was 31 years ago)

It's not just about the explicitness of the action, it's also about its context.  2 of the examples you list - I've yet to see X-Men: First Class - have a number of factors that would "soften" the overall rating of the film: that it's happening to the bad guys, that it's more of a fleeting action than a complete scene, and that set alongside the rest of those films, those moments are few an far between.  Prometheus has a number of things throughout that give it its rating (which got a 15 over here), not just that particular scene - although that particular scene mentioned above would give almost any film an R. 

So violence happening to good guys is somehow worse than violence happening to bad guys(especially when it's in a medical context)? Anybody for a cup of common sense?

Trust me, that's how it works with censors.

[Russell]

Trust me, that's how it works with censors.

I am struggling to come up with a precedent where good guys in a PG or PG-13 movie were either mutilated, murdered or seriously injured.
Anybody got any suggestions?

[Sideswipe]

Just off the top of my head, Captain James T. Kirk in Star Trek Generations, John Connor in Terminator: Salvation Theoden in Return of the King.  Do CGI Characters count?  Optimus Prime in all of the Transformer movies.