Star Trek...2013...Yep, it's happening.

[D.B. Barnes]

They need a villain who can repeatedly kick the shit out of Kirk and the Enterprise, with a decent motive, only for things to come good at the end. 

Sorry, Christensen and Lucas have sucked so much of the badass out of this guy, I'll just never be able to look at him the same way I used to.

[a pretty girl is like]

They need a villain who can repeatedly kick the shit out of Kirk and the Enterprise, with a decent motive, only for things to come good at the end. 

Sorry, Christensen and Lucas have sucked so much of the badass out of this guy, I'll just never be able to look at him the same way I used to.

Noooooooooooooooo!  Don't say that.

[Russell]

Sorry, Christensen and Lucas have sucked so much of the badass out of this guy, I'll just never be able to look at him the same way I used to.

I live in my own little world where the prequels don't exist. I personally consider them to be completely apocryphal. I see the prequels much the same way Atheists see creationism. I cannot begin to describe the world of irony contained in that statement.

[mrbasehart]

Vader never had a good motive, other than "the Emperor told me to."  And frankly, from the neck down, he looks a little silly.

[a pretty girl is like]

Vader never had a good motive, other than "the Emperor told me to."  And frankly, from the neck down, he looks a little silly.

Basehart, you take everything good and you....you...rip my heart out. 

[Sideswipe]

Tarkin told him what to do.  He was never more than a glorified thug.

[shodan]

yea that was part of his character that he could have become this ultimate sith lord, being a living avatar of the force, but his transition to the dark side broke him. thats also why he never seemed to try and fulfill the rule of two and kill his master, hence the emperor  trying to turn Luke.

[Russell]

Vader never had a good motive, other than "the Emperor told me to." 

That's the fault of the prequels.

[Sideswipe]

No it wasn't.  What about in RoTJ where Vader says:  "I must obey my master."

[shodan]

and a new hope when Tarkin orders him to stop choking one of the officers. dont blame everything on the prequels.

[James of LinHood]

No it wasn't.  What about in RoTJ where Vader says:  "I must obey my master."

Although, I have to say that, "I must obey my master" is much better than what the prequels basically added to that sentence.  Which is, "I must obey my master because he promised to help me keep my wife from dying...but she died anyway.  So, I'm not sure why I'm still sticking around with this guy."  I would have rather gone on not knowing that last bit.  Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

[RVR II]

No it wasn't.  What about in RoTJ where Vader says:  "I must obey my master."

So when was it that you had to obey Optimus Prime?

[mrbasehart]

No it wasn't.  What about in RoTJ where Vader says:  "I must obey my master."

Although, I have to say that, "I must obey my master" is much better than what the prequels basically added to that sentence.  Which is, "I must obey my master because he promised to help me keep my wife from dying...but she died anyway. 

Not forgetting the, "I almost killed her myself" bit. 

[D.B. Barnes]

I don't give a shit who he was taking orders from. It didn't make him any less of a BAMF in the OT. Lucas and the whiny, ineffectual little douche took one of the most intimidating characters in the history of film and neutered him beyond recognition.

[daltysmilth]

Must every thread degenerate into a discussion of why the prequels sucked?