Thoughts??

[gbeenie]

I agree the riff shouldn't be mean-spirited (see: SW Ep 1) but I haven't picked up any meanness in this one, or the previous Trek. It's treated as silly, and maybe that seems mean to the trekkies, but that's the point of Rifftrax. To make a movie look silly, right?

I'm with you Pak-Man, they of course fun of the Trek Franchise characters, but I don't see any real loathing in either of those riffs. But some Trek fans seem to take any slight to the franchise as a personal attack...

OR you're just using your own seething hatred of Star Trek and its fans (which you've exhibited a-plenty in these discussions about Trek movies) as the basis for a ridiculous stereotype.

[Nunyerbiz]

I bring up an admittedly small aspect of a few rifftrax that bothers me, only one of them related to Trek, and I'm simply dismissed as a trekkie who is taking things as a personal attack. I had no problem with anything they said in Trek V and I've stated a couple of times that I'm no great fan of any of the movies (apart from Khan).... but who needs critical thought and reading comprehension?

I retract everything I said. Mike and the gang are great and all these movies deserve everything they get! Broad generalizing is fun!

[Pak-Man]

Yikes! Well I was just looking for an example of the mean-spiritedness everyone is talking about...

[gbeenie]

See, macleod, here's the thing:

I GET IT.

In fact, it's safe to say I've GOTTEN it from the time I read your first post on the subject of Star Trek (which is pretty much exactly the same as your most recent post on the subject; I'll get to this in a minute).

You hate Star Trek and dismissively regard 100% of its fans as drooling sycophants, unable to cast so much as a glance askance, much less view with a critical eye, ANYthing that Paramount chooses to slap the Star Trek label onto.

I understand completely that this is your opinion. Indeed, I don't think it's possible for anyone who has visited this forum even casually in the last six months NOT to know that's your opinion. And AS your opinion, it's your absolute right to express it, as you have done ad-fucking-nauseum.

However, there is a certain level of saturation one can reach, and when you constantly express the exact same opinion in pretty much the exact same way over and over, you run the very real risk of BELABORING THE POINT.

So, what I would say to you is: what else ya got? What you've offered on the subject of Star Trek so far has been rather long on juvenile insults, and rather short on thoughtful, substantive arguments.

I'm serious about this. I really would like to hear something new from you that bolsters your points. Is there anything behind the contemptuous sneer you've shown here, or are you content simply to sit back and feel superior?

[PlayMSTie]

Um, guys, do you think maybe we could all take a deep breath and calm down here? I don't think this is worth an out-and-out brawl.

[BathTub]

Um, guys, do you think maybe we could all take a deep breath and calm down here? I don't think this is worth an out-and-out brawl.

Thems Fightin Werds!

[Bob]

Dude, there is just one way to settle this.

[gbeenie]

Um, guys, do you think maybe we could all take a deep breath and calm down here? I don't think this is worth an out-and-out brawl.

I'm perfectly calm. It's not like I have a personal problem with the guy; it's just that his shtick is getting old.

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

Yikes! Well I was just looking for an example of the mean-spiritedness everyone is talking about...

dont try to teach pakky they dont get it.  the most you can do is whip them up into a heated frenzy fueled by loathing of different opinions till they have a heart attack in the hopes they cotaminate the gene pool. 

As a fairly genius person once said IN THIS VERY THREAD no less, they petty bickering will continue forever. 

I really would like to hear something new from you that bolsters your points. Is there anything behind the contemptuous sneer you've shown here, or are you content simply to sit back and feel superior?

name me two places where you successfully argued that star trek makes decent movies, especially in the cases of V and VI?  Notice i used the words DECENT not good and not less bad than blank. 

ps im a rabid trekky i own all seven seasons of DS9 that i spent the full price on (129 bucks a season) have watched them all multiple times, i own more star trek novels than probably most of this board.  My irrational love for the shows cannot block out the times they suck, i cant be that irrational. 

[Nunyerbiz]

Dude, there is just one way to settle this.

The Simpsons make everything better.

Also, there is nothing wrong with some spirited discussion every now and again. I don't have anything against anybody here, but I don't think we need to be such driveling wussies that the very hint of debate brings the "OMG! Calm down... not a flame war! oh noes! must lock thread, wouldn't want something out of the oridinary to break out!".

[sarcasm_made_Easy]

I know IM not trying to calm anyone down.  How would i enjoy my days ?  or nights if you want to get technical

[macleod]

I know IM not trying to calm anyone down.  How would i enjoy my days ?  or nights if you want to get technical

Thanks man, this IS enjoyable...

...I guess I must have said something wrong...oh well...

[macleod]

See, macleod, here's the thing:

I GET IT.

In fact, it's safe to say I've GOTTEN it from the time I read your first post on the subject of Star Trek (which is pretty much exactly the same as your most recent post on the subject; I'll get to this in a minute).

You hate Star Trek and dismissively regard 100% of its fans as drooling sycophants, unable to cast so much as a glance askance, much less view with a critical eye, ANYthing that Paramount chooses to slap the Star Trek label onto.

I understand completely that this is your opinion. Indeed, I don't think it's possible for anyone who has visited this forum even casually in the last six months NOT to know that's your opinion. And AS your opinion, it's your absolute right to express it, as you have done ad-fucking-nauseum.

However, there is a certain level of saturation one can reach, and when you constantly express the exact same opinion in pretty much the exact same way over and over, you run the very real risk of BELABORING THE POINT.

So, what I would say to you is: what else ya got? What you've offered on the subject of Star Trek so far has been rather long on juvenile insults, and rather short on thoughtful, substantive arguments.

I'm serious about this. I really would like to hear something new from you that bolsters your points. Is there anything behind the contemptuous sneer you've shown here, or are you content simply to sit back and feel superior?

Man, I shouldn't respond but I will. No, I normally don't prefer to wax philosophical where Star Trek is concerned. But believe it or not, I LIKE the orginial series, and have seen most of the episodes. But really, beyond a mild interest in an old sci-fi show, my emotions aren't linked to the series. When thinking about these movies, it dawned on me that most of them are silly; the latter seem to pander to Trekkies in a way that just makes me laugh, and most of them (perhaps II excepting) tend to serve as poor replacements to the TV show. I think this is true of most movies based off TV shows: they simply feel like long episodes. And if you don't have any particular attachment to the series, then you'd have a tough time considering them "great" movies.

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy them (well, maybe not V) but as someone who feels mostly ambivalent about their quality, I just stand slack-jawed at the people who assume that I somehow need to love these things...

[gbeenie]

See, macleod, here's the thing:

I GET IT.

In fact, it's safe to say I've GOTTEN it from the time I read your first post on the subject of Star Trek (which is pretty much exactly the same as your most recent post on the subject; I'll get to this in a minute).

You hate Star Trek and dismissively regard 100% of its fans as drooling sycophants, unable to cast so much as a glance askance, much less view with a critical eye, ANYthing that Paramount chooses to slap the Star Trek label onto.

I understand completely that this is your opinion. Indeed, I don't think it's possible for anyone who has visited this forum even casually in the last six months NOT to know that's your opinion. And AS your opinion, it's your absolute right to express it, as you have done ad-fucking-nauseum.

However, there is a certain level of saturation one can reach, and when you constantly express the exact same opinion in pretty much the exact same way over and over, you run the very real risk of BELABORING THE POINT.

So, what I would say to you is: what else ya got? What you've offered on the subject of Star Trek so far has been rather long on juvenile insults, and rather short on thoughtful, substantive arguments.

I'm serious about this. I really would like to hear something new from you that bolsters your points. Is there anything behind the contemptuous sneer you've shown here, or are you content simply to sit back and feel superior?

Man, I shouldn't respond but I will. No, I normally don't prefer to wax philosophical where Star Trek is concerned. But believe it or not, I LIKE the orginial series, and have seen most of the episodes. But really, beyond a mild interest in an old sci-fi show, my emotions aren't linked to the series. When thinking about these movies, it dawned on me that most of them are silly; the latter seem to pander to Trekkies in a way that just makes me laugh, and most of them (perhaps II excepting) tend to serve as poor replacements to the TV show. I think this is true of most movies based off TV shows: they simply feel like long episodes. And if you don't have any particular attachment to the series, then you'd have a tough time considering them "great" movies.

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy them (well, maybe not V) but as someone who feels mostly ambivalent about their quality, I just stand slack-jawed at the people who assume that I somehow need to love these things...

THAT's a reasonable statement of opinion on your part, macleod. And that I don't have any issue with; in fact, I even agree with some of it.

MY problem comes with what appears to be your corollary: the blanket assumption that anyone who argues with your assessment of Star Trek, or defends anything Trek-related, is somehow making the statement that anything with the Star Trek label on it is inherently good and wonderful, and that you're insane for not liking it. In this forum at least, I haven't seen anybody making that statement, although you've been acting as if EVERYBODY is making it.

Granted, I don't know you personally (you're probably a decent enough fellow); I can only go by what you've written. If you feel I'm misrepresenting your position, please let me know.

[gbeenie]

Dude, there is just one way to settle this.

THUNDERDOME.