2012 Awards Season (Oscars, Golden Globes, etc.)

[Doctor Who?]

Why'd they hate it?

Hmm. That's a bit complicated, but try and follow me.

The main complaint seemed to be that, animation-wise, it was indistinguishable from CGI effects in live action films. It tried so hard to be photo-realistic (I believe that Pixar even hired a live-action DP as a consultant) that, at least until the 'humans' show up, it was impossible to tell it apart from a standard special-effects movie.

Keep in mind that Pixar is pretty much the biggest animation studio around today, right? And currently, the whole future of the animation industry is pretty much in uncertain limbo thanks to the almost-total death of hand-drawn animaton (which resulted in a lot of 2D animators being forced to switch to a computer if they wanted to keep working) and the development of things like motion capture, right? And for many animators, their whole attraction to animation stems from the fact that it's not like reality, capable of caricature and exaggeration, right?

So, when the biggest animation studio in the world releases a film that's near-impossible to tell apart from a live-action film, they're not going to take kindly to that.. Come awards time, they're naturally going to vote for the overtly 'cartoonier' film-in this case, Kung-Fu Panda.

They're just scared that Wall-E is just one more step to the day when they'll be reduced to creating FX for live-action or tweaking mocap.

But wait a sec first off they needed stuff to look real in order to sell people on the whole idea of a trashed world,if it didn't the first third of the movie would have sank.

Second when it comes to the 2d Pixar has been pretty clear in saying that now that they are partners with Disney they are going to start making some 2d movies and Pixar has worked on 2d movies in the past so if you want 2d survive why punish some of the people who are trying bring it back?

[ImOscardotcom]

Oh, and as just a side note, one or two animators angrily suggested that Pixar was slowly and quietly making a transition to live-action/SFX films.

Turns out, they were right. Sort of.

[mrbasehart]

I'm looking forward to John Carter.  The comic book series is really neat.

[Doctor Who?]

The other thing I don't get is even as far back as Luxo Jr. the backgrounds and objects have always looked pretty real in Pixar stuff so why are they only complaining now.

Also Pixar is now making almost all of Disney's movies so of corse there is going to be some live action and real looking stuff but there are still quiet a few stylised movies coming out.

Also Pixar has a history of not telling people how things have to look so it's not like they are going to flip a switch and kill animation.

Also KFP used motion capture and Wall E didn't so if they are scared that that is where animation is headed why did they give the award to the movie that used it?

[ImOscardotcom]

Also KFP used motion capture

I don't believe they did.

And again, it seems like it's really a 'lesser of two evils' situation.

[ImOscardotcom]

Oh, and:

I'm looking forward to John Carter.  The comic book series is really neat.

Just saying that it's not likely to improve their status with animators.

[mrbasehart]

Oh, and:

I'm looking forward to John Carter.  The comic book series is really neat.

Just saying that it's not likely to improve their status with animators.

I don't think Pixar give a good damn what other animators think.  They're too busy sitting on their giant piles of money. 

[Doctor Who?]

Also KFP used motion capture

I don't believe they did.

And again, it seems like it's really a 'lesser of two evils' situation.

They didn't?

I was sure I saw Jack Black doing some motion capture stuff in some behind the scenes thing.

[ImOscardotcom]

Oh, and:

I'm looking forward to John Carter.  The comic book series is really neat.

Just saying that it's not likely to improve their status with animators.

I don't think Pixar give a good damn what other animators think.  They're too busy sitting on their giant piles of money. 

True.

Back when Disney announced that it was buying Pixar and putting Lasseter in charge, though, the reaction from the industry was roughly similar to how Democrats greeted the election of Obama-now, finally, the right people are in charge and they're going to fix everything. Now that Lasseter and his team have been revealed to be not quite the saviors that were indicated, however...things have soured. Really soured. Hence another reason for the shutout.

Oh, and Stanton's not the only one that's jumping for live-action.

[bratpop]

Animators are all like, "MYARGH!"

Look, they were being lazy cheating bastards as far back as Cinderella, filming people dancing so they could just copy what it looks like when someone is dancing. Mo-cap and realistic CGI are the same crap in a different wrapper.

[ImOscardotcom]

Animators are all like, "MYARGH!"

I was just trying to place the Annie shutout into context. Sorry if I went rather overboard.

Okay, if no one besides me is at all interested in this, I'm done. Simple as that.

Look, they were being lazy cheating bastards as far back as Cinderella, filming people dancing so they could just copy what it looks like when someone is dancing. Mo-cap and realistic CGI are the same crap in a different wrapper.

Rotocoping wasn't threatining to destroy the entire animation industry (or at least make it completely unrecognizable), which is what mocap and realistic CGI (at least, in the minds of its detractors) are doing.

And while you're right, rotoscoping was used extensively for the early Disney features when it came to 'realistic' humans, I'd like to briefly point out that there is
a difference between filming and studying a live actor's performance and merely tracing it.

There. Done.

[bratpop]

Well, shit changes. If people aren't into cell animation, cell animators have to friggin DEAL. Cells are gay.

[ImOscardotcom]

Well, shit changes. If people aren't into cell animation, cell animators have to friggin DEAL. Cells are gay.

I'll be sure to pass that along to them.

[Relaxing Dragon]

Oh hey, Oscars are on now. Not the best opening number I've seen, but I admit I was charmed by the sets.

My picks:

Best Foreign Language Film: Waltz with Bashir
Best Animated Film, Feature: WALL-E
Best Short Film, Live-Action: Grisen
Best Short Film, Animated: Presto
Best Documentary, Short-Subject: The Witness from the Balcony of Room 306
Best Documentary, Feature: Man on Wire
Best Original Song: Jai Ho (Slumdog Millionaire)
Best Makeup: Hellboy II: The Golden Army
Best Original Score: WALL-E
Best Sound: WALL-E
Best Sound Editing: WALL-E
Best Costume Design: Milk
Best Art Direction: The Dark Knight
Best Editing: The Dark Knight
Best Visual Effects: Iron Man
Best Adapted Screenplay: Slumdog Millionaire
Best Original Screenplay: In Bruges
Best Cinematography: The Dark Knight
Best Supporting Actor: Josh Brolin (Milk)
Best Supporting Actress: Marisa Tomei (The Wrestler)
Best Actor: Sean Penn (Milk)
Best Actress: Meryl Streep (Doubt)
Best Director: Danny Boyle (Slumdog Millionaire)
Best Picture: Slumdog Millionaire

[Tripe]

Oh hey, Oscars are on now. Not the best opening number I've seen, but I admit I was charmed by the sets.

My picks:

Best Short Film, Live-Action: Grisen
Best Short Film, Animated: Presto

Yes on both thought I doubt they'll get it.