The Dark Knight (SPOILERS)

[Tripe]

Ah,see you've unfortunately been exposed to productions by people operating under the misapprehension I discribed earlier:

Does that mean "read and seen faithful adaptations of several of the more famous ones?" If so, then you're correct.

How could they be faithful adaptations? Was the person who directed it alive 410 years ago when Shakespeare's troupe actually performed the original rendition?

Yeah, a true faithful adaptation would have to include the actors improvising to please the loud rude people in the front and avoid having pennies thrown at them.

And that's what I'm talking about, those "Faithful" adaptations aren't really faithful at all, they're faithful to the images of Shakespeare created by Schlegel, the romantics and a few theatrical knights.

I can't recommend the book Roaring Boys enough, it's a really good intro to the world of the Elizabethan and Jacobean theatre.

Sadly, as it's a introduction, it never really delves into the Gallifreyan influence on the stage at that time

Oh and while you're at it, read some Middleton too, he doesn't get half the attention he should

[Fortis]

Except of course that Shakespeare was simultaneously better with words than Tolkein

While normally I would have to agree with you considering Shakespeare and Tolkien's works as a whole...I have found that there are some passages in Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion that surpass Shakespeare in every way when it comes to flowing beautiful dialogue...

I've found that sometimes Tolkien's writing is far smoother and more fun to read than Shakespeare's. The words Shakespeare chose to use are far harsher sounding than those Tolkien used. (Latin based words just don't sound that great compared to some old english words)

My english teachers hated me for always saying this to them...

...Iambic Pentameter is boring 


But that's just my take on it, I'm not sure there are that many people who would side with me on this issue. As much as Shakespeare was brilliant (I loved reading him in school because I made a game out of finding out all the crass he had in his plays and laughing about them...seriously, him and Chaucer really shouldn't be read in schools...they were pervs) I just prefer Tolkien.

[Dim of the Yard]

My english teachers hated me for always saying this to them...

...Iambic Pentameter is boring 

Oh, I disagree, but for fun reasons.  You know what else is in iambic pentameter?  Emily Dickinson's poetry.  And what ELSE is in iambic pentameter?  The Gilligan's Island theme song.  I find it very hard to believe that iambic pentameter is boring after singing "I Saw A Fly Buzz When I Died" to the tune of Gilligan's Island.

[Fortis]

My english teachers hated me for always saying this to them...

...Iambic Pentameter is boring 

Oh, I disagree, but for fun reasons.  You know what else is in iambic pentameter?  Emily Dickinson's poetry.  And what ELSE is in iambic pentameter?  The Gilligan's Island theme song.  I find it very hard to believe that iambic pentameter is boring after singing "I Saw A Fly Buzz When I Died" to the tune of Gilligan's Island.

Ah man...I wish I'd thought of that when I was in high school (I always resented my english teachers for not let us use our creativity, especially since they were making me resent writing so much in spite of how much I loved it...until I learned that I could do what my english teachers wanted...and be creative in doing it. I learned everything they had to teach me...did well in class, and then did my own research on the side so that I could argue with them through discussions in class, and essays, why I thought that Shakespeare was a hack...I don't really think that, I just had fun explaining to my teachers why their beloved shakespeare was not as great as they thought, and why a lot of stuff people think he did amazingly...Tolkien did better)

...but yeah...I wish I would have thought about comparing Shakespeare to the Gilligan's Island theme song.



...on a slightly funny side note, my english teachers always called me Frodo (completely unrelated to the Tolkien/Shakespeare compare and contrast), because we were taking a test on Romeo and Juliet the day after I went and saw Return of the King at midnight (I was going on two hours of sleep), and I accidentally wrote Frodo as an answer instead of Romeo, ever since then that nickname stuck with me in my english classes. So now, I have a group of people that sneak into those teachers classrooms and write really big on the white board "Frodo Lives." Just as a little reminder of their favorite english student...heh, my teachers really liked and disliked me (Dislike: I was disruptive)(Like: I was interesting)

[Raven]

How could they be faithful adaptations? Was the person who directed it alive 410 years ago when Shakespeare's troupe actually performed the original rendition?

Yeah, a true faithful adaptation would have to include the actors improvising to please the loud rude people in the front and avoid having pennies thrown at them.
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And there would probably be a lot of juggling.

[Tripe]

Yeah, a true faithful adaptation would have to include the actors improvising to please the loud rude people in the front and avoid having pennies thrown at them.

And there would probably be a lot of juggling.

And performing bears.

[Chaos]

Fortis,

It's true, a lot of Tolkein's passages are beautiful and wonderfully written. The difference is that pretty much ALL of Shakespeare's stuff is around the same caliber, whereas Tolkein only surpasses Shakespeare some of the time. Also, Shakespeare is a better storyteller at the same time. As far as Tolkein was concerned the story was sort of an inconvenient disturbance that distracted from what was really important to him (the language and to a lesser extent the history). If it would have sold, I have a strong feeling that Tolkein wouldn't have written Lord of the Rings at all, but instead just a book full of nothing but the exploration of language, arts, and poetry. But it wouldn't, so he wrote one of the greatest epics of the modern age instead.

Also you have to remember that, while Iambic Pentameter is indeed quite boring, Shakespeare managed to do everything he did with his words WITHIN that very strict confine, while still managing to sound like completely natural language (for the time period). The most hilarious thing I have ever seen in my life was an actor who actually tried to PERFORM speaking with the "de-duh, de-duh, de-duh, de-duh" rhythm. Tool.

[Cosmic Muse]

So, what about The Dark Knight? Anyone think it will surpass the original Star Wars movie in terms of Domestic Box Office intake?

[a pretty girl is like]

So, what about The Dark Knight? Anyone think it will surpass the original Star Wars movie in terms of Domestic Box Office intake?

I do.  I think Titanic's record is pretty safe though. 

[Rude]

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I finally just saw this on Saturday. Pretty damn good.

-Rude

[Chaos]

So, what about The Dark Knight? Anyone think it will surpass the original Star Wars movie in terms of Domestic Box Office intake?

I do.  I think Titanic's record is pretty safe though. 

What's the number to beat? God, that movie sucked.

[a pretty girl is like]

So, what about The Dark Knight? Anyone think it will surpass the original Star Wars movie in terms of Domestic Box Office intake?

I do.  I think Titanic's record is pretty safe though. 

What's the number to beat? God, that movie sucked.

$600 million + just for the domestic. 

[MrTorso]

Titanic's domestic box office is: $600,788,188
Star Wars' is:$460,998,007
Dark Knight as of today: $441,541,000

I read an article that if it were to beat those movies based on actual amount of tickets sold it would have to do 900 million dollars to beat Star Wars and 1.2 billion dollars to beat Titanic.

[Raven]

Titanic's domestic box office is: $600,788,188
Star Wars' is:$460,998,007
Dark Knight as of today: $441,541,000

I read an article that if it were to beat those movies based on actual amount of tickets sold it would have to do 900 million dollars to beat Star Wars and 1.2 billion dollars to beat Titanic.

You have the numbers flipped.  900 million box office would pass Titanic in tickets sold.  The 1.2 billion would beat Star wars adjusted for inflation.

[pezdrake]

So, what about The Dark Knight? Anyone think it will surpass the original Star Wars movie in terms of Domestic Box Office intake?

I do.  I think Titanic's record is pretty safe though. 

It would affirm my faith in humanity if it beats Titanic so I really hope it does.  I'm already happy that it has beaten Home Alone.  (It has beaten Home Alone hasn't it?)