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The Dark Knight (SPOILERS)

Started by Rufus T, July 29, 2007, 10:04:15 AM

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Raven

Just wanted to say a couple of other things I hadn't noticed reading everyone elses experience.   I saw this 3 times this weekend and the experiences had some similarities.  The Midnight showing had a rowdy croud who riffed on the commercials before the show but the second the actual movie started 400 people shut up at once and didn't say a word till the Joker took his mask off.  Awesome.

I have a question about the opening scene.  Was the gas grenade that the joker placed in the bank manager's mouth supposed to be sleeping gas?
That's how I took it because if he set off sleeping glass with everyone else holding grenades,  that adds a new level of evil.  I kept forgetting to pay close attention but I'm pretty sure they only showed the inside of the vault in the investigation scene so the teller area could have been all blown to hell. 

I like that the joker employs the mentally disabled ensuring that there are no traitors in his crew and his genuine indifference towards them (the one phone call scene). 

Two of my favorite Joker lines were only one word each.  Ledger's delivery on them was perfect.  The first was his "Yeah" in response to Spawn's question about getting away with stealling money from the mob and getting away with it.  The second was how he said "Hi" to Harvey in the hospital.  Awesome. 

I can honestly say that if you held a gun to my head and told me to pick a favorite part of this movie, I don't think I could do it.  If hard pressed I'd say the Joker's dialogue as a whole would have to be my favorite part.  I don't care if it makes me a bad person or not but I thought everything he did was hilarious.  I laughed at the number of knives in his pocket, and the "S" he painted on the side of the semi.  I did get mad at Batman during the final fight scene with the joker, when he didn't let Joker explain where he got his scars.  I don't think I could get tired of those stories.

I thought the semi flip looked really cheesy in the trailors but given the context of how Batman flipped it, it turned out pretty cool.  Batman bouncing his cycle off the wall and stopping looked pretty dumb though.  But if that's the only thing I have to complain about then the movie as a whole is aces. 

I think that there are capable actors who could take up the Joker as Ledger did him if they want to continue his story, but I'm sad Ledger won't be around to do it himself.  The Riddler would be my next choice for villian but the Nolan's should be free to do whatever the hell they want from here on out. 

For those that complain about the Batman voice, get a life.  The easiest thing you can do to mask your voice is to talk in a whisper.  It's a thousand times better than Clooney spouting off dialog that would have everyone in the room wondering where George Clooney got the Batman suit from. 

The cast and crew did a great job of keeping the last hour of the movie a secret.  A lot of people thought the movie was over with Joker's capture or shortly thereafter. 


Rattrap007

Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
For those that complain about the Batman voice, get a life.  The easiest thing you can do to mask your voice is to talk in a whisper.  It's a thousand times better than Clooney spouting off dialog that would have everyone in the room wondering where George Clooney got the Batman suit from. 
Adam West never needed to disguise his voice....



daltysmilth

Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
For those that complain about the Batman voice, get a life.  The easiest thing you can do to mask your voice is to talk in a whisper.  It's a thousand times better than Clooney spouting off dialog that would have everyone in the room wondering where George Clooney got the Batman suit from. 

Except Christian Bale isn't just "talking in a whisper".  He's making himself sound like someone who's smoked 18 packs of cigarettes a day for the past 27 years and is extremely angry about it. 
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Raven

Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
For those that complain about the Batman voice, get a life.  The easiest thing you can do to mask your voice is to talk in a whisper.  It's a thousand times better than Clooney spouting off dialog that would have everyone in the room wondering where George Clooney got the Batman suit from. 

Except Christian Bale isn't just "talking in a whisper".  He's making himself sound like someone who's smoked 18 packs of cigarettes a day for the past 27 years and is extremely angry about it. 


Does anybody know if they are digitally changing his voice or if he's doing it himself.   If they aren't altering it by using audio effects then what's the difference. 

Thorns of Crimson Death

Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
For those that complain about the Batman voice, get a life.  The easiest thing you can do to mask your voice is to talk in a whisper.  It's a thousand times better than Clooney spouting off dialog that would have everyone in the room wondering where George Clooney got the Batman suit from. 

Except Christian Bale isn't just "talking in a whisper".  He's making himself sound like someone who's smoked 18 packs of cigarettes a day for the past 27 years and is extremely angry about it. 


Does anybody know if they are digitally changing his voice or if he's doing it himself.   If they aren't altering it by using audio effects then what's the difference. 

I can't see the logic behind using effects to change Bale's voice.  It sounds much like how a Death Metal singer will alter their voice but talking instead of screaming.  The closest thing I can compare it to is Nathan Explosion's regular talking voice in "Metalocalypse". 

I don't want to hear "well he has all these other gadgets, why doesn't he make something to alter his voice?" any more.  That would be retarded.  The way his voice is now (which is to keep his identity a secret) is to be intimidating.  And if you ask me, it works better than any voice modifier they could come up with.  You don't want Batman to sound like Darth Vader or a robot.  It would take away from the fact that he's only human.  Get over the voice already, those of you who dislike it.
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The thing is the thing people object to is also why it's cool.

Because it's unsettling in some hard to define way.

I kinda liked it.

Raven

Quote from: Thorns of Crimson Death on July 21, 2008, 05:20:29 PM

I can't see the logic behind using effects to change Bale's voice.  It sounds much like how a Death Metal singer will alter their voice but talking instead of screaming.  The closest thing I can compare it to is Nathan Explosion's regular talking voice in "Metalocalypse". 

I don't want to hear "well he has all these other gadgets, why doesn't he make something to alter his voice?" any more.  That would be retarded.  The way his voice is now (which is to keep his identity a secret) is to be intimidating.  And if you ask me, it works better than any voice modifier they could come up with.  You don't want Batman to sound like Darth Vader or a robot.  It would take away from the fact that he's only human.  Get over the voice already, those of you who dislike it.

I agree fully, nobody complains when Henry Rollins does it while singing, and a vigilante running around the city trying to intimidate people is the same goal of most metal bands.  To appear intimidaing and aggressive. 

RoninFox

Quote from: Raven on July 21, 2008, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: Thorns of Crimson Death on July 21, 2008, 05:20:29 PM

I can't see the logic behind using effects to change Bale's voice.  It sounds much like how a Death Metal singer will alter their voice but talking instead of screaming.  The closest thing I can compare it to is Nathan Explosion's regular talking voice in "Metalocalypse". 

I don't want to hear "well he has all these other gadgets, why doesn't he make something to alter his voice?" any more.  That would be retarded.  The way his voice is now (which is to keep his identity a secret) is to be intimidating.  And if you ask me, it works better than any voice modifier they could come up with.  You don't want Batman to sound like Darth Vader or a robot.  It would take away from the fact that he's only human.  Get over the voice already, those of you who dislike it.

I agree fully, nobody complains when Henry Rollins does it while singing, and a vigilante running around the city trying to intimidate people is the same goal of most metal bands.  To appear intimidaing and aggressive. 

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just read this and then thought back to...

Quote from: Rattrap007 on July 21, 2008, 04:11:29 PM
Adam West never needed to disguise his voice....

And all I can think of is the Christian Bale Batman voice saying "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." and I'm laughing my ass off.
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daltysmilth

Yeah, I also agree that it makes sense for Batman to disguise his voice.  Michael Keaton did it, Val Kilmer did it less successfully, and Kevin Conroy did it.  I just think Christian Bale could have picked a less annoying voice to use as his Batman voice.  I don't think anyone would disagree, though, that the Bale is the best Bruce Wayne there ever has been.
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Thorns of Crimson Death

Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 05:53:44 PM
Yeah, I also agree that it makes sense for Batman to disguise his voice.  Michael Keaton did it, Val Kilmer did it less successfully, and Kevin Conroy did it.  I just think Christian Bale could have picked a less annoying voice to use as his Batman voice.  I don't think anyone would disagree, though, that the Bale is the best Bruce Wayne there ever has been.

I don't find it annoying in the slightest, a bit monotone when he's not yelling and just talking, but not annoying.  That's just me though.

Agreed, Bale is the best BW there has ever been and perhaps the best BM, again, just my opinion.
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Quote from: Thorns of Crimson Death on July 21, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 05:53:44 PM
Yeah, I also agree that it makes sense for Batman to disguise his voice.  Michael Keaton did it, Val Kilmer did it less successfully, and Kevin Conroy did it.  I just think Christian Bale could have picked a less annoying voice to use as his Batman voice.  I don't think anyone would disagree, though, that the Bale is the best Bruce Wayne there ever has been.

I don't find it annoying in the slightest, a bit monotone when he's not yelling and just talking, but not annoying.  That's just me though.

Agreed, Bale is the best BW there has ever been and perhaps the best BM, again, just my opinion.

I don't know.....I had a BM the other night that was pretty amazing.
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on July 21, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Thorns of Crimson Death on July 21, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 05:53:44 PM
Yeah, I also agree that it makes sense for Batman to disguise his voice.  Michael Keaton did it, Val Kilmer did it less successfully, and Kevin Conroy did it.  I just think Christian Bale could have picked a less annoying voice to use as his Batman voice.  I don't think anyone would disagree, though, that the Bale is the best Bruce Wayne there ever has been.

I don't find it annoying in the slightest, a bit monotone when he's not yelling and just talking, but not annoying.  That's just me though.

Agreed, Bale is the best BW there has ever been and perhaps the best BM, again, just my opinion.

I don't know.....I had a BM the other night that was pretty amazing.

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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on July 21, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Thorns of Crimson Death on July 21, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: daltysmilth on July 21, 2008, 05:53:44 PM
Yeah, I also agree that it makes sense for Batman to disguise his voice.  Michael Keaton did it, Val Kilmer did it less successfully, and Kevin Conroy did it.  I just think Christian Bale could have picked a less annoying voice to use as his Batman voice.  I don't think anyone would disagree, though, that the Bale is the best Bruce Wayne there ever has been.

I don't find it annoying in the slightest, a bit monotone when he's not yelling and just talking, but not annoying.  That's just me though.

Agreed, Bale is the best BW there has ever been and perhaps the best BM, again, just my opinion.

I don't know.....I had a BM the other night that was pretty amazing.

Yeah, I pretty much threw a meatball out there for anyone to just knock it outta the park.  Well done.  :clap:
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on July 21, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
I don't know.....I had a BM the other night that was pretty amazing.
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