THE PHANTOM MENACE - YES!!

[J-Proof]

Han and Leia had WAY better dialogue than Padme and Ani (imho).

That whole bit about scoundrels and dirty hands had more to say than Padme talking about the baby's room....

Also - Han and Leia were coming from a more developed back story where the two of them were fighting constantly etc etc which made the love connection all the cooler. Padme and Ani fall in love, from what I can tell, because Padme wears low-cut garments around im, and chooses to tel lhim she loves him right before they are about to die....

I dunno - Not saying I don't feel any sort of hatred toward Vader for choking Padme, but Han and Leia had a much better story to tell.

[darthvedder81]

Han and Leia had WAY better dialogue than Padme and Ani (imho).

That whole bit about scoundrels and dirty hands had more to say than Padme talking about the baby's room....

Also - Han and Leia were coming from a more developed back story where the two of them were fighting constantly etc etc which made the love connection all the cooler. Padme and Ani fall in love, from what I can tell, because Padme wears low-cut garments around im, and chooses to tel lhim she loves him right before they are about to die....

I dunno - Not saying I don't feel any sort of hatred toward Vader for choking Padme, but Han and Leia had a much better story to tell.

I dunno. The Han and Leia trist really had nothing at all to do with the overall story, it was just a little bickering subplot that I thought (flame on jerks) ditracted a tad from EMPIRE. I wish George Lucas would've reigned in Kershner a little bit there (or maybe not, I mean he was the genius behind Robocop 2).

I'm not saying every aspect of Anakin/Padme was brilliantly handled but it was a relationship that was VERY important to how Anakin turns to the darkside. It some ways the whole saga hinges on it. Maybe that's why people were so disappointed.

[J-Proof]

Han and Leia had WAY better dialogue than Padme and Ani (imho).

That whole bit about scoundrels and dirty hands had more to say than Padme talking about the baby's room....

Also - Han and Leia were coming from a more developed back story where the two of them were fighting constantly etc etc which made the love connection all the cooler. Padme and Ani fall in love, from what I can tell, because Padme wears low-cut garments around im, and chooses to tel lhim she loves him right before they are about to die....

I dunno - Not saying I don't feel any sort of hatred toward Vader for choking Padme, but Han and Leia had a much better story to tell.

I dunno. The Han and Leia trist really had nothing at all to do with the overall story, it was just a little bickering subplot that I thought (flame on jerks) ditracted a tad from EMPIRE. I wish George Lucas would've reigned in Kershner a little bit there (or maybe not, I mean he was the genius behind Robocop 2).

I'm not saying every aspect of Anakin/Padme was brilliantly handled but it was a relationship that was VERY important to how Anakin turns to the darkside. It some ways the whole saga hinges on it. Maybe that's why people were so disappointed.

Definitely agree. I had no problems with how Han and Leia were directed - but the unrealistic and genuinely unhuman way that Ani and Padme were portrayed (not to mention the cheese-factor) just REALLY disappointed me. Doesn't help that Ani got twenty years older between eps 1 and 2, and Padme didn't change

Anyway - What's done is done. We can cross our fingers and hope that 7-9 are made sometime in the future by Lucas' kids (since he swore personally never to touch Star Wars ever again). But chances are slim methinks. But if they did do 7-9 anytime in the /near/ future, the original cast members would all be about the right age to reprise their roles.

BTW - this guy: http://www.supershadow.com/
... needs to get a frickin' life....

[gammer]

Anyway - What's done is done. We can cross our fingers and hope that 7-9 are made sometime in the future by Lucas' kids (since he swore personally never to touch Star Wars ever again). But chances are slim methinks. But if they did do 7-9 anytime in the /near/ future, the original cast members would all be about the right age to reprise their roles.

Never say never.

The Eagles said they'd play together again when Hell freezes over.
...and what was the name of their reunion tour again?   

[J-Proof]

Hey - they said in that album that they never actually broke up, they were just taking a break

But I agree! Lucas wil lprobably hand it over to his kids, who will hopefully get a decent director to help make the universe into what it used to be. (Of course, my dream director for Star Wars is Peter Jackson).

Does anyone think, though, that the damage done by the prequels quells the ability to bring Star Wars back to the respectable forefront?

[gammer]

Hey - they said in that album that they never actually broke up, they were just taking a break

But I agree! Lucas wil lprobably hand it over to his kids, who will hopefully get a decent director to help make the universe into what it used to be. (Of course, my dream director for Star Wars is Peter Jackson).

Does anyone think, though, that the damage done by the prequels quells the ability to bring Star Wars back to the respectable forefront?

Thats like asking if Batman Begins brings the batman series back to respectable forefront after that Batman & Robin flop.

Lots of room for opinions on the subject...for sure.

[kodiakthejuggler]

BTW - this guy: http://www.supershadow.com/
... needs to get a frickin' life....

I'll say!

A list of various Jedi's Midichlorian Counts

Oh brother!

[J-Proof]

BTW - this guy: http://www.supershadow.com/
... needs to get a frickin' life....

I'll say!

A list of various Jedi's Midichlorian Counts

Oh brother!

Re: Kodiak

Yeah - SuperShadow has been around forever, and claims to be Lucas's right hand man when it comes to Star Wars conceptualization. He claims to have helped write all three prequel scripts (NOT something to be proud of) and also has a list of unofficial Star Wars tidbits all over the site. Sadly, many a secceptable fan thinks that SS is telling the truth. In one section of his page, there are responses to fans /suppsoedly/ written by Lucas himself. I wonder why Georgio hasn't shut down SuperShadow....

The biggest giveaway for SuperSahdow being a fake is his claim to be one of the cast members in the Revenge of the Sith. He claims to be i nthe youngling-massacre surveillance video as like, one of the last ones who gets killed. But the actual actor read SS's claim o nthat page and publicly announced that nobody on the Star Wars team knows who SS is, and that the character he claims to have portrayed, well, isn't him....

Re: Gammer

Yeah I gotcha with the Batman thing.... I actually really enjoyed Batman Begins, and I /did/ look at it as a whole different movie from its predecessors. So the argument could be made that a Star Wars sequelogy would stand on its own! Sort of how Star Trek TNG movies kind of stand separately from Star Trek TOS movies.

If JP had one (or two) wishes that he wished would be fulfilled before going home to Jesus, it would be one small fraction of screentime on both a Star Wars movie and a Tolkien movie.... just one SECOND in costume lol

[dignan]

In regards to Han and Leia, they also had dialogue provided to them by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, which clearly was a hell of a lot better than George's "I don't like sand" fumble of a pickup line. 

[J-Proof]

In regards to Han and Leia, they also had dialogue provided to them by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, which clearly was a hell of a lot better than George's "I don't like sand" fumble of a pickup line. 

lol.... Which sucks - cuz I happen to like girls in the sand Here in CA we see that a lot =)

[darthvedder81]

Hey - they said in that album that they never actually broke up, they were just taking a break

But I agree! Lucas wil lprobably hand it over to his kids, who will hopefully get a decent director to help make the universe into what it used to be. (Of course, my dream director for Star Wars is Peter Jackson).

Does anyone think, though, that the damage done by the prequels quells the ability to bring Star Wars back to the respectable forefront?

A Peter Jackson Star Wars? Lord I hope not. I'd like to see PJ make a film based on an original idea sometime (that isn't schlock or puppet porn) and not simply adapt other people's work or do re-makes.

What damage was exactly done? Regardless of your opinion of their artistic merit the three movies grossed 2 billion worldwide and created a whole new generation of fans. Star Wars is as strong as it's ever been.

To call the prequels a failure on the level of "Batman & Robin" is silly. None of the new episodes were anywhere near as critically or commercially a failure as that debacle.

I found "Batman Begins" to be ponderous and dull. The first hour of the movie has nothing to do with Batman even and is just a bunch of pretentious setup. It's like Christopher Nolan got so worried about going the route of the Joel Schumacher Batman movies he totally overcompensated and forgot to have any fun with the character.

Superhero movies never work for me (with just a couple of exceptions).

[J-Proof]

Well I suppose it depends on whether or not you find financial gain to be the determining factor of a movies "success." I guess I prefer overall fan enjoyment and reputation.

[J-Proof]

Hey - they said in that album that they never actually broke up, they were just taking a break

But I agree! Lucas wil lprobably hand it over to his kids, who will hopefully get a decent director to help make the universe into what it used to be. (Of course, my dream director for Star Wars is Peter Jackson).

Does anyone think, though, that the damage done by the prequels quells the ability to bring Star Wars back to the respectable forefront?

A Peter Jackson Star Wars? Lord I hope not. I'd like to see PJ make a film based on an original idea sometime (that isn't schlock or puppet porn) and not simply adapt other people's work or do re-makes.

I agree with your assessment that PJ is famous for remakes and adaptations, but just about every director is. Very few directors, with the exceptino of George Lucas of course, write their own movies and gain worldwide acclaim for them. That being said, Pete was one of the creative directors and helped write the screenplay for LOTR.

Also - I would consider it much harder for a director to work within a universe already committed to screen by a previous director - it leaves more to compare things next to. I love what Pete did to LOTR, so I would REALLY love to see what he could do to Star Wars.

[IronPigeon]

I haven't seen this movie since it came out in theaters. Some people will always defend it no matter what (delusional people...ha ha). But for me it actually made me enjoy the original series less. I'm not sure how, but it did. The force is some sort of bacteria? WTF? My favorite part is when we find out that Mannequin is some sort of immaculately concieved jedi Jesus.

I'm conflicted.  I promised myself I'd never buy this movie, yet I also said I would buy every riffed dvd. What should I do?

[J-Proof]

Give in and feed Lucas' children.....