Star Trek XI

[Tripe]

Alien - science fiction or just a "monster in the dark" story that happens to be on a space ship?  Same with Event Horizon...

Except Event Horizon is the old dark house rather monster in the dark. Sunshine is more of the same (I'm scared to post that on the Sunshine love fest) oh and it's annoyingly scientifically impossible.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

Alien - science fiction or just a "monster in the dark" story that happens to be on a space ship?  Same with Event Horizon...

Except Event Horizon is the old dark house rather monster in the dark.

My point exactly.   And that's what DS9 (and later shows) always felt like to me - standard TV sitcom and drama plots only the set is a ship or space station and the actors are wearing latex on their faces.  Otherwise, no difference.

[Ortega]

My point exactly.   And that's what DS9 (and later shows) always felt like to me - standard TV sitcom and drama plots only the set is a ship or space station and the actors are wearing latex on their faces.  Otherwise, no difference.

I would disagree with you there.  ST voyager was FAR more gulity of a TV sitcom plot than DS9 ever was.  Watch VOY and no matter what happens, no matter what they do, at the end of every episode, everything is back to square one.  With Ds9 there was an overall story arch going on with all the characters, and when something big happened, it wasnt washed away, never to be heard of again. 

[Blueguy]

My point exactly.   And that's what DS9 (and later shows) always felt like to me - standard TV sitcom and drama plots only the set is a ship or space station and the actors are wearing latex on their faces.  Otherwise, no difference.

I would disagree with you there.  ST voyager was FAR more gulity of a TV sitcom plot than DS9 ever was.  Watch VOY and no matter what happens, no matter what they do, at the end of every episode, everything is back to square one.  With Ds9 there was an overall story arch going on with all the characters, and when something big happened, it wasnt washed away, never to be heard of again. 

Absolutely.  It went far beyond the war and focused on "littler" plots, like Tora Ziyal, Dukat, Quark vs. Brunt, Nog wanting to join Starfleet, O'Brien and Bashir hanging out and becoming unlikely friends, Bashir and Garak, Odo wanting to know about his past, Sisko vs. Eddington, Mirror Universe (which I didn't particularly care for though), etc...  All that stuff carried on over years of the show instead of just being focused on for one episode and forgotten.

For me, that is a big part of what made that series feel "alive" to me.

[Sharktopus]

Who's saying Bones won't be in it?

Everything I've read about it so far.

ILM's confirmed that they're working with the original Enterprise, so I don't see why wouldn't they have Dr. McCoy onboard.

My point exactly.   And that's what DS9 (and later shows) always felt like to me - standard TV sitcom and drama plots only the set is a ship or space station and the actors are wearing latex on their faces.  Otherwise, no difference.

I would disagree with you there.  ST voyager was FAR more gulity of a TV sitcom plot than DS9 ever was.  Watch VOY and no matter what happens, no matter what they do, at the end of every episode, everything is back to square one.  With Ds9 there was an overall story arch going on with all the characters, and when something big happened, it wasnt washed away, never to be heard of again. 

Absolutely.  It went far beyond the war and focused on "littler" plots, like Tora Ziyal, Dukat, Quark vs. Brunt, Nog wanting to join Starfleet, O'Brien and Bashir hanging out and becoming unlikely friends, Bashir and Garak, Odo wanting to know about his past, Sisko vs. Eddington, Mirror Universe (which I didn't particularly care for though), etc...  All that stuff carried on over years of the show instead of just being focused on for one episode and forgotten.

For me, that is a big part of what made that series feel "alive" to me.

Ditto. That's why I liked DS9. Science fiction works best when it shows us ourselves in a funhouse mirror. To me, science fiction should be a setting, a launching board, rather than the crux of the story.

[Tripe]

It all comes down to different forms of sci-fi.  When you get down to it the Macro Genres of Sci-Fi, Fantasy and Horror aren't really that distinct since they over lap one another and when you delve into the three there are even more graduations.

Though I do agree with Duck about Alien and Even Horizon. it goes back to those overlaps.

DS:9 had it's share of Fantasy too in addition to the slice of life stuff. I mean , OK they were called the wormhole aliens but essentially they were gods.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

ILM's confirmed that they're working with the original Enterprise, so I don't see why wouldn't they have Dr. McCoy onboard.

I thought this was a "Kirk and Spock at the Academy" movie....

Or by "original" do they mean that ersatz Enterprise in the TV show of the same name?  Because only Berman, Braga and a couple thousand rabid fanboys consider that the original.

If it's that ship, then they're just re-writing history again because of their lack of creativity.

Sounds like this really is "Star Trek XI: The Last Nail"

(PS - If I had time, I'd find the article I have with a quote from one of the producers of "Lost" - talking to a writing magazine - saying that they don't know why the lottery numbers keep coming up....and they doubt that they'll ever come up with a reason or an explanation for it.   It's probably the same with all the "little clues" that fans of "Lost" have been hanging onto and debating. That show is another "We're just throwing whatever crap we can think of into this - even we don't know what it's about"  show that's going to end badly (a la "The X Files" and "Twin Peaks") with little to no answers.  And now one of these guys is making Trek movies.      )

[Chaos]

(PS - If I had time, I'd find the article I have with a quote from one of the producers of "Lost" - talking to a writing magazine - saying that they don't know why the lottery numbers keep coming up....and they doubt that they'll ever come up with a reason or an explanation for it.   It's probably the same with all the "little clues" that fans of "Lost" have been hanging onto and debating. That show is another "We're just throwing whatever crap we can think of into this - even we don't know what it's about"  show that's going to end badly (a la "The X Files" and "Twin Peaks") with little to no answers.  And now one of these guys is making Trek movies.      )

I think the writers of Lost could take some lessons from the FANS of Lost. I was reading a really interesting forum a couple of months ago that was talking about the theory that the majority of the unexplained, "magical" type stuff that was happening on the Island would actually turn out to have hyper-scientific explanations. For example, the reasons for the button, the electromagnetic disruptions, and the giant explosion in the hatch when the button was no longer being pushed, was because what the Darma Initiative actually did was create a micro-black hole. The numbers and the button were to perform maintenance on the energy grid that contained the black hole. Stuff like that. It was fascinating to see some of the ideas that people had come up with to logically explain most of what was going on.

It's really a shame that it's just a bunch of crap that they're randomly cobbling together.

[Tripe]

(PS - If I had time, I'd find the article I have with a quote from one of the producers of "Lost" - talking to a writing magazine - saying that they don't know why the lottery numbers keep coming up....and they doubt that they'll ever come up with a reason or an explanation for it.   It's probably the same with all the "little clues" that fans of "Lost" have been hanging onto and debating. That show is another "We're just throwing whatever crap we can think of into this - even we don't know what it's about"  show that's going to end badly (a la "The X Files" and "Twin Peaks") with little to no answers.  And now one of these guys is making Trek movies.      )

See that's what give me pause about this film more than anything else, the dread hand of Abrams a man whose career continuance perplexes me.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

(PS - If I had time, I'd find the article I have with a quote from one of the producers of "Lost" - talking to a writing magazine - saying that they don't know why the lottery numbers keep coming up....and they doubt that they'll ever come up with a reason or an explanation for it.   It's probably the same with all the "little clues" that fans of "Lost" have been hanging onto and debating. That show is another "We're just throwing whatever crap we can think of into this - even we don't know what it's about"  show that's going to end badly (a la "The X Files" and "Twin Peaks") with little to no answers.  And now one of these guys is making Trek movies.      )

I think the writers of Lost could take some lessons from the FANS of Lost. I was reading a really interesting forum a couple of months ago that was talking about the theory that the majority of the unexplained, "magical" type stuff that was happening on the Island would actually turn out to have hyper-scientific explanations. For example, the reasons for the button, the electromagnetic disruptions, and the giant explosion in the hatch when the button was no longer being pushed, was because what the Darma Initiative actually did was create a micro-black hole. The numbers and the button were to perform maintenance on the energy grid that contained the black hole. Stuff like that. It was fascinating to see some of the ideas that people had come up with to logically explain most of what was going on.

It's really a shame that it's just a bunch of crap that they're randomly cobbling together.

That's why I don't bother with these shows that supposedly have a "Story Arc".....I don't believe there's anyone left in television that knows how to write one (short of J. Michael Straczynski....and he seems to be on hiatus).

[Chaos]

That's why I don't bother with these shows that supposedly have a "Story Arc".....I don't believe there's anyone left in television that knows how to write one (short of J. Michael Straczynski....and he seems to be on hiatus).

Yeah... the only shows I watch with any regularity anymore are Dr. Who (because I must support what little quality is left in British TV), and House (because he's an irreverent jackass, just like me).

I considered giving Prison Break a chance when it first came out, but was very glad that I didn't, because of their FOUR MONTH hiatus in the first season. I just can't be interested in a story if I have to remember for four months what happened. It's not worth the effort. These kinds of shows are more appropriate to never watch on TV, and just buy all of the DVDs in one go once the show is done, if you are so inclined.

Mostly though, I just don't bother with TV. Especially now that a lot of shows can be streamed online right from the station's website. I have software that filters ads and flash crap out of webpages - if only someone would invent a way to do that with TV so we could get rid of those on-screen logos, ads, and "coming up next" areas of the screen.

[BathTub]

That's why I don't bother with these shows that supposedly have a "Story Arc".....I don't believe there's anyone left in television that knows how to write one (short of J. Michael Straczynski....and he seems to be on hiatus).

No! you must buy! Babylon 5: The Lost Tales Vol. 1

[Sharktopus]

ILM's confirmed that they're working with the original Enterprise, so I don't see why wouldn't they have Dr. McCoy onboard.

I thought this was a "Kirk and Spock at the Academy" movie....

That was a different treatment that Berman and Braga wrote. Abrams and the two guys who wrote the Transformers movie (Uh-oh...) have hinted pretty heavily that this is the Original Series era. The Kirk and Spock in school nonsense never sounded right to me - Spock's considerably older than Kirk (as is McCoy, for that matter) so they wouldn't have gone to Starfleet Academy together. And Spock was already serving aboard the Enterprise under Pike before Kirk took command. Of course, that's all assuming this movie doesn't contradict previous continuity that heavily.

Anyway, we should learn more this weekend. Paramount's promised major announcements at Comic-Con.

[Sideswipe]

Well thats sounds like good news.  I was dreading a Starfleet Academy movie, tenatively titled Star Trek 90210.  That would have been the end if that happened.  If they have a space adventure theres a lot more chance this movie will be watchable.  I still dont want to see Matt Damon as Kirk though.

[Rude]

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And the new spock is.... Zachary Quinto? Who the hell is he?
One of the guys from Heroes i guess. Whatever~

Quinto Spock Deal Looks Certain - Will Split Time Between Star Trek and Heroes

More and more reports continue to support the story that Zachary Quinto will be the new Mr. Spock. Moviehole is now reporting that that Quinto has finalized his deal with Parmount. TVGuide.com has also confirmed the story and noted that Heroes exec producer Tim Kring says he is 'thrilled' for his star to be the new Spock...

-Rude