Thoughts on cinematic titanic

[callmeMRTIBBS]

First time post- but proud mistie since 95.

I grant you that i have only seen clips of the first movie from CT.  But honestly- I have no intention of spending my money on it.

Heresy? 

I'll tell you why.

The guys here at RiffTrax have worked too hard. 

The guys (call them film crew, riff trax or whatever- i call them some of the funniest guys i have ever paid to watch or listen to) brought it back- especially Mike who brought this all about through Legend.  Mike took the concept- evolved it- and made it work for a new audience.  And it's incredibly entertaining- watching 300 with Rifftrax now.

CT is, to me, a group of people who said, "Hey- those guys are doing it- lets jump on".  So they tried to jump aboard the success that RiffTrax has had.  These are people that with one exception- quit MST3k.  They thought it was time to move on, weren't happy doing it, were bored, or just thought the show and idea had run it's course.

But once they see the guys have a great following and getting more accolades from doing this- they want a piece of the action.

So for me, I am staying with the ones who brung me.  Maybe Joel created MST3k.  But Mike was always a superior host, and a phenominal writer.  Kev will always be Servo to me.  And Bill Corbett, he should have been along the whole time on MST3k.  (don't get me wrong- I liked Trace, but Bill is a funny, funny guy.)

Those three brought back the riffs, they are the ones who have- metaphorically- kept on circulating the tapes.

I know I will probably take a bit of a flaming for this- but it's my honest opinion.

And hey- I doubt Kev ever reads this- but if he does...Year at the Movies was spectacular

[Isaac S.]

Well, I respect Mike, Bill, and Kevin as much as anyone, but I wouldn't let that stop you from enjoying CT.  I do have a special place in my heart for these guys who stayed with the riffing gig when everyone else was leaving it for seemingly greener pastures, for the same reason I respect couples who stay married even when the grass starts to look greener on the other side.  But similarly, I also respect people who have the balls to admit the grass wasn't greener, as it turned out, and come back to what they love, and I will always believe in second chances.

Maybe a touch dramatic, but I admire both the steadfast and the repentant, and that does carry over into other, less important realms as well (like riffing).

[SaucyRossy]

This isn't thoughts on Cinematic Titanic this is you justifying why you don't want to spend the money to get it.

Mike, and the crew have said they wish CT the best and who knows there could always be a collaboration between the two camps in the future.

Whatever, if you don't want to get it then it's your loss.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

I doubt the reasons you list for people leaving the show are true except for Joel, and I doubt he was bored, he just wanted to do things the Mallon didn't want to do...  Frank and Trace both left when the network was losing intrest in the show (CC, before the move to Sci-Fi), they had the chance to get some work in Hollywood and took it, most people would if they felt their current jobs were going to be gone soon...

If you are not supporting CT out of loyalty to RiffTrax that's your option, nothing wrong with that.  I'll keep buying CT in the hope they get better, both CT and RiffTrax are niche markets so they both could use all the support we can give them if we want to get more....

[Fortis]

I watched the trailer, I really liked the layout of the six riffers all standing/sitting there, that made me laugh. Sadly, nothing else did. I really want them to do well, I think it is awesome they are doing it, but I gotta say, I prefer Rifftrax, I don't know if it is better writing, or just delivery. But I'm sticking with Rifftrax.

I have nothing against Joel, but for some reason I can't watch any of the MST3K's with him in them, I know they all had pretty much the same writers and stuff throughout all the seasons, but I think Mike has more charisma and better delivery than Joel.

So good luck Cinematic Titanic, I will check you out again when your next movie comes out, but the Oozing skull hasn't really interested me.

[callmeMRTIBBS]

This isn't thoughts on Cinematic Titanic this is you justifying why you don't want to spend the money to get it.

Mike, and the crew have said they wish CT the best and who knows there could always be a collaboration between the two camps in the future.

Whatever, if you don't want to get it then it's your loss.

Actually this is my thoughts on Cinematic Titanic.  I didn't say my thoughts on The Oozing Skull.  It was my thoughts on the project.  I appreciate a passionate stance on the subject, as I think that most of the RiffTrax fans are made up of steadfast Mysties.  However, these are my feelings on the project.

And no, I don't believe there will be a collaboration at any time.  I honestly don't.  While RiffTrax has wished the best for them, Joel has flat out not acknowledged Rifftrax in an interview where a question was asked about it.  And Trace has claimed to not know what RiffTrax was, and then say no he probably wouldn't be involved in that, once it was clarified.

I have always felt there were two different camps, and I think this has shown it a bit more.  I am certainly dissapointed, as I always loved Trace as a part of the MST3k universe, but frankly RiffTrax has the three people I need and I think puts out a great product.

Re: Fortis-

I agree- visually it's interesting to have the riffers.  But like you aside from a few chuckles the trailer left me wanting.  And some reviews I am reading deff. agree with this- that it lacks the punch, and there are far too many long stretches of nothing- even at points that cry out for a riff.

And I agree- Mike was a more charismatic host, and I enjoy his delivery more.

And marty- you can find different interviews on the web as to why people left.  But I assure you I am not exagerating, I am basing on interviews with Joel, Trace, and others.

[Doctor Who?]

Wow.

I really just saw someone cut off their own nose to spite their face.

I had no idea there where two "camps",I always thought the MST3K guys all got along.

I can understand liking one host more then another,but this is weird.

Why do you hate Joel again,i mean he created the show?

What is this all about.

If you don't like the format or the jokes on CT that is one thing,but to decide not to even give it a shot and maybe miss out on some great riffing just becouse you think there is some war between Joel and Mike,,,

I mean wow.

This makes the Kirk Vs. Picard people look almost sane.

Wow.

[AmandaGal]

Yeah, I agree. It's not like you can't buy both.  Buying one doesn't betray the other.  I think some rifftrax employees bought the CT dvd even.

Personally, I haven't bought CT just because I'm too cheap, but I will probably buy it once it becomes downloadable.

[callmeMRTIBBS]

Wow.

I really just saw someone cut off their own nose to spite their face.

I had no idea there where two "camps",I always thought the MST3K guys all got along.

I can understand liking one host more then another,but this is weird.

Why do you hate Joel again,i mean he created the show?

What is this all about.

If you don't like the format or the jokes on CT that is one thing,but to decide not to even give it a shot and maybe miss out on some great riffing just becouse you think there is some war between Joel and Mike,,,

I mean wow.

This makes the Kirk Vs. Picard people look almost sane.

Wow.

Okay this is just flaming for the sake of flaming.  To say I cut off my nose to spite my face...you pulled a well known quote in an attempt to cut me down and it in no way applies to absolutely anything I said.  Its like someone using their word of the day calendar to rebut an argument.

To claim no knowledge of what I am talking about what I say the camps.  Um...there is rifftrax and ct...that is two camps.  Now, I don't claim to know Mike or Kev or Bill...or anyone that has anything to do with RiffTrax...but I am pretty sure they aren't under the same production umbrella as CT so that would make it two different entities.

Think through your argument before you flame.

Besides- if you really think they all got along and frolicked in kittens- why did Josh leave because he was so unhappy- in fact why did anyone leave?  People didnt' get along with each other.  I dont' claim insider information- but simple logic tells you that.  Plus a little research.

I don't hate Joel, but I feel this is a case of Jealousy.  Rifftrax is gaining popularity and these people want their own piece of the pie.  Fine and dandy- but I don't have to buy it.  I have never said I hate Joel- I very much enjoyed Joel's tenure as host and technocrat of the show.  He was the host when i became a Mystie.  However As stated other places in this forum even, in some interviews he has come off as an ass.  And not even acknowledging RiffTrax until all the fuss came up adds to it.  Sorry I don't buy the newsletter deal.  He got caught trying to dismiss it, got called on it.  And now they are trying to bat it around as banter.  And it doesnt' fly.  Its called spin.  Or damage control if you prefer.

I feel you have taken everything I have said out of context.  I have never damned Frank Coniff's family to the seventh circle of hell, nor have I hoped for a painful flaying of Mary Jo Pehl that involves her still living form in a salt bath.  I have merely stated that I felt that CT was a "Me Too" product and I had no interest.  This was based on reading multiple reviews, and formulating my own opinion on said reviews and my person feelings.  I shared these feelings here, and it ends at that.  I hold a gun to no one's head and demand they drink the kool aid.  I simply wanted to use the forum for it's intended use- to share my feelings.

Don't try to dismissively paint me as a geek with your Kirk vs. Picard statement either.  this is me weighing two products.  And I feel one of them is inferior and trying to hold on desperately to the past.

As for Amanda- my feelings aren't totally out of loyalty for RiffTrax- though I am loyal.  My opinion is based on reviews of the first episode and how it was very sub par.  And the fact that most of the people involved were people I didn't particularly enjoy (save for Frank and Trace).  Sorry- but Josh was horrible and has made every early episode I have tried to watch- unwatchable.

I want to make it clear I am not trying to start a holy war- just voicing my opinion.

[Doctor Who?]

Wait,what?

Are you calling me a flamer just becouse I think your coming on the CT boards to say that Joel is only doing this to cash in.  Given that you have said you are not going to even give CT a chance I fail to see why you would even come to the CT boards to say anything,seems to me if anyone's a flamer it's you.

people get to change jobs once in a while you know.  Hey do you have any idea how many times the writers for the Simpsons have left for a few years and come back?  If that is truly what Joel has done he is just a babe in the woods compared to The Simpson's writers and producers.

Also two project dose not mean that there are two camps.  I mean does going to the Sears tower mean that you don't support the Empire State Building,or that if you go to the ESB you don't support the Sears Tower?  They are both tall buildings after all.

Also Joel Created MST3K so if anyone cashed in on it it was Mike when he couldn't get another job.  Also I love Rifftrax but it is not that big,I only found it last fall when my computer took me here by mistake.

Also did you ever think that maybe the only reason Joel didn't talk about Rifftrax is becouse he has not had the chance to listen to one yet and unlike you he didn't want to open his mouth about something he hadn't tried yet?

Also Mike has wished Joel well so why can't you?

Also if you enjoyed MST3K then this is a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are not even giving new movie Riffing project from the creator of MST3K a chance becouse for some reason you think you will be betraying Mike even when he has stated that this isn't the case.

Also sorry but this iis one of the geekist(Is that even a word?)things I have ever seen,and being a Doctor Who fan I would know.

[BEERxTaco]

I want to make it clear I am not trying to start a holy war- just voicing my opinion.

As someone on this board once told me, your opinion is wrong.   

You should probably quit while you're behind.

[RVR II]

I want to make it clear I am not trying to start a holy war- just voicing my opinion.

As someone on this board once told me, your opinion is wrong.   

You should probably quit while you're behind.

Classic!

[MrTorso]

...I only found it last fall when my computer took me here by mistake.

I am scared of your computer's abilities.

[Doctor Who?]

Me too.

I can't remember what i was looking for but i think i must have miss spelled it.

[Scott M Davis]

I may not have cared for The Oozing Skull myself, but I do look forward to what CT maybe putting out in the future.