The Dark Knight (SPOILERS)

[RVR II]

There! Ya'see??

[bettertomorrowamy]

I demand a recount.....hanging chads....blah.....get off my lawn!

[Doctor Who?]

Does anyone know what the budget for the Dark Knight was compared to Batman begins?

It sure looks like it cost a lot more to make.

[Wheaty Petestraw]

Don't you guys remember rule # 2687 of the internet ?.......Don't feed the troll

That's the most ridiculous cop-out the internet has ever known. The instant someone disagrees with the opinion of the masses, it's trolling. Did you ever stop to consider that people have differing opinions? A couple years down the road when all the excitement about Ledger's death dies down, there will be less people inclined to give this movie a rating higher than 80%. Remember, when Star Wars episode I came out, there were shitloads of fanboys proclaiming it to be TEH GRAYTIST MOOVEE EVAR MAID!!!!!

I really hope you people come to your senses, and soon. There is no way this movie belongs in the top 250 at imdb.com, let alone the #1 spot. Was Ledger's performance good? Yes. Was it worthy of an oscar? Ummm... no. My favorite part, however, is how so many people claim this movie needed to be long for character development.. wait, WHAT? The Joker shows up, robs a mob bank and has his goons kill each other off. It was completely predictable that HE was the one wearing the clown mask who said that he was supposed to kill the bus driver, before the bus backed in and crushed the other guy.

[gbeenie]

I think he has taken Issac's place as biggest jerk on the internet.

I was NEVER a jerk.

I'm not crazy... I'm not...

[Wheaty Petestraw]

The Main reason people are getting offended and out of shape is that your are incessant in your dislike for the movie.   I mean, if you simply didn't like the movie, you would have posted as such, given your reasons for not liking the movie, and you would have moved on.  But instead you simply repeat the same thing over and over ad nauseam, trying to get a reaction out of people.  That, in and of itself, is the definition of trolling.  You want to have an argument.  What this says about your character is troubling.  Do you have some sort of self-esteem isssue that must be satiated by "winning" arguments about trivial subjects like movies?  You've said your piece, now let's move on.

Could the same not be said for you and everyone else trying to "win" this argument of opinions? Remember, when you're pointing your finger at someone, three more are pointing back at you.

[bettertomorrowamy]

The Main reason people are getting offended and out of shape is that your are incessant in your dislike for the movie.   I mean, if you simply didn't like the movie, you would have posted as such, given your reasons for not liking the movie, and you would have moved on.  But instead you simply repeat the same thing over and over ad nauseam, trying to get a reaction out of people.  That, in and of itself, is the definition of trolling.  You want to have an argument.  What this says about your character is troubling.  Do you have some sort of self-esteem isssue that must be satiated by "winning" arguments about trivial subjects like movies?  You've said your piece, now let's move on.

Could the same not be said for you and everyone else trying to "win" this argument of opinions? Remember, when you're pointing your finger at someone, three more are pointing back at you.

What if....you are a farmer who caught his other 3 fingers in a thresher, but the index finger was saved?

[Wheaty Petestraw]

The Main reason people are getting offended and out of shape is that your are incessant in your dislike for the movie.   I mean, if you simply didn't like the movie, you would have posted as such, given your reasons for not liking the movie, and you would have moved on.  But instead you simply repeat the same thing over and over ad nauseam, trying to get a reaction out of people.  That, in and of itself, is the definition of trolling.  You want to have an argument.  What this says about your character is troubling.  Do you have some sort of self-esteem isssue that must be satiated by "winning" arguments about trivial subjects like movies?  You've said your piece, now let's move on.

Could the same not be said for you and everyone else trying to "win" this argument of opinions? Remember, when you're pointing your finger at someone, three more are pointing back at you.

What if....you are a farmer who caught his other 3 fingers in a thresher, but the index finger was saved?

"What if" is a situation for comic book nerds and... oh... *slowly backs out of thread*

[Ortega]

FYI, those words were not directed at you Asshair.  I understand why you would be distressed when something is in your face that everyone praises, yet you find average at best.  I was referring to Doctor Sleepless, who has been droning on ad nasueam since July 18. 

[Doctor Who?]

Yeah i don't mind if someone likes Batman Forever more then TDK,now may not understand it and I may say so but it doesn't bother me.

What bothers me about Doctor Sleepless is that he keeps acting like we are attacking him personally whenever we point out something we like about the movie.

Also the way he through a tantrum when we wouldn't say we hated the movie by turning around and saying that he liked it and since he had said that we now HAD to say we didn't like it.

I for one was not trying to force him to like the movie i was just trying to talk about what I liked about it and find out what he didn't like about it.

[daltysmilth]

Well, maybe I just don't think everyone feels the need to make a political statement in everything, and I don't feel the need to look for political statements in every movie I see.  Sometimes I just want to enjoy movies for what they are on the surface, and not think too hard about the "deeper meaning" of every line of dialogue or every image.  My point is that you can find anything you want to in a movie if you look hard enough.  Take of a movie like "Shaun of the Dead".  You could say it comments on how fickle people are, and how easily people abandon their moral standards when faced with adversity, and how stubbornly we revert to the status quo once an adverse situation is under control, or you could say it's just a really funny and all-around well-crafted zombie movie.  Which one is closer to how its creators intended it?  My money is that it's probably closer to the second one than the first.  But that's just my opinion.

Sure, if you look hard enough you can find parallels to politics in a lot of things.  However, you can also look at Animal Farm as a cute little story about talking pigs.  But if you do, you are missing a big part of the story.  

I've never heard your argument before.  And i'm pretty surprised actually.  I could possibly understand how you would be annoyed with people who try and make you think about a film if you just want to enjoy it... like if a teacher was making you write a paper about it.  The thing is... no one is forcing you to think about it.  And it seems to me that you are demanding less for your money.  It's like you are complaining that your watermelon has all this red squishy stuff beneath the pretty green skin.  It's hard for me to believe that you are actually asking Hollywood to put less into the films they make.  

The point is, I don't really care if you see the political parallels or not.  You don't have to.  Feel free to get as little out of the film as you like.  But why argue against their existence?  For a lot of people, it's a very cool thing that a big blockbuster is politically conscious in an unbiased way.

(Also, in your shaun of the dead example, I don't see how accepting both of your interpretations at the same time wouldn't make it a more timeless and important film.)

EDIT: I'm making it out as if Batman was some huge political allegory.  It's not, the political relevance is just a quick aside.  Sorry for making it out that way.

I'm not saying I want less intellectual content out of movies.  Far from it.  I love a movie that makes me have to think about things.  But I would rather see movies that focus on more general, timeless, philosophical content than contemporary issues that people are going to forget about in 20 years.  Which admittedly the Dark Knight does.  The idea of escalation is something that people will probably have to consider for a long time.

I will say, though, that I don't want every movie I see to give me something to think about.  And a movie doesn't have to be deep for me to enjoy it.  One of my favorite movies of all time is Camp Nowhere.  I don't think anyone would accuse that movie of being deep.  But it's fun.  To put it in food terms, I like filet mignon, but I don't want to have it for every meal.  Sometimes I just want some Burger King.

[Dim of the Yard]

While we're complaining about stuff that we don't like, I'm going to take a moment and whine about the sonar bits of the movie.  Not that it's highly unlikely.  Oh, no.  I'm complaining mostly about the fact that it was fairly hurty on the eyes.  The first time I saw the movie, I was about 20 feet from the screen, due to the fact I got to the theater late and all of the good seats were taken up.  So whenever the bits with the sonar popped up, I was outright miserable.  The second time I saw it, this time with family, we were 3/4 of the way in the back of the theater, and I was still hurting every time the sonar came into use.  I had to shut my eyes each time the damn thing came up on screen and either judge from the SWOOSH-ing noises whether the sonar was done or not, or I had to have my boyfriend poke me a couple of times.

Why so serious about sonar?  Because I get migraines.  Those are not fun in the least, believe you me.  I would not have been happy if Dark Knight gave me a migraine, which thankfully, it didn't.  I stopped watching the Harry Potter movies because Prisoner of Azkaban gave me a vicious migraine (the Patronus was the trigger.  Maybe I'm a Dementor?), and I would have had no problems staying away from Dark Knight if it had given me a migraine, too.  Physical health kind of takes priority over a summer blockbuster.

But I still thought the movie was awesome.  I thought Harvey Dent was the best part of the movie, so, as odd as it sounds, I'm apathetic as to whether or not Heath Ledger gets the Oscar for his performance as the Joker.  *shrug*

There.  I got an early start on this thread's daily dose of drama.   

[Variety of Cells]

I'm not saying I want less intellectual content out of movies.  Far from it.  I love a movie that makes me have to think about things.  But I would rather see movies that focus on more general, timeless, philosophical content than contemporary issues that people are going to forget about in 20 years.  Which admittedly the Dark Knight does.  The idea of escalation is something that people will probably have to consider for a long time.

I will say, though, that I don't want every movie I see to give me something to think about.  And a movie doesn't have to be deep for me to enjoy it.  One of my favorite movies of all time is Camp Nowhere.  I don't think anyone would accuse that movie of being deep.  But it's fun.  To put it in food terms, I like filet mignon, but I don't want to have it for every meal.  Sometimes I just want some Burger King.

Annnnd debate closed.  Finally we both have given in enough to where our different positions are not mutually exclusive.  *shakes your hand* It's been a pleasure arguing with you. 

Also, some one asked about budget.  The estimated budgets from IMDB are as follows

Begins: $150,000,000
Dark Knight: $180,000,000

Which is strange considering a comment that the cinematographer made in an article which stated that the budget was 3 times as much as it would have been if it were all shot on 35 instead of portions being shot in 70mm.  But that means the budget would have only been 60,000,000 dollars.  So either some one is exaggerating, or those numbers are incorrect.  Or he could have just been referring to the technical portion of the budget, and not the above the line portion.  I'm going to guess it was probably the latter. 

[Doctor Who?]

Thanks for the info.

that is very interesting.

[esoobaC .T bocaJ]

2. Hopefully Robin doesn't show up at all, I find him lame IMO.

Christian Bale has been quoted in saying that he won't do any batmans that have Robin in them. I just can't find the quote.

I believe what he said was if they did a movie with Robin they'll be doing it without Batman, because he'll have chained himself to a radiator in protest.  Something along those lines anyway.

it took me forever to find this, but I knew I posted it before

all I know is, if Casey Kasem isn't Robin in the next one, I'm never seeing another Batman movie again!!

oh, nevermind

"The Dark Knight" will be appearing in theaters on July 18th and while director Christopher Nolan has yet to confirm a third film, we have heard several times from Christian Bale that the Batman re-do will be a trilogy.

It seems that the third installment will bring back Two-Face, in addition to other villains. But will Batman be able to handle such deadly foes, or will he need the help from a caped crusader, Robin?

Luckily, Bale understands that introducing the lame sidekick in these amazing films is ludicrous and just in case Robin is ever given a chance to fight crime, he will have to do it alone, since Batman will be on strike.

"If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I'll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work," Bale told StarPulse. And we thank you.