PIrates of the Caribbean 3

[Compound]

So why...

Calypso?  Seriously, she seems like a totally random choice other than the fact that most people have heard of/read the Odyssey, so they would have heard of the name. 

Since Tia whatshername was portrayed as a bit of a Houngan, I'm guessing that they chose Calypso to tie into the Carribean music of the same name. I guess.

[Pak-Man]

The only Con (as far as I'm concerned): Will ends up being the captain of the Flying Dutchman at the end. This bugs me. I understand that the only way to solve the issue after Will got stabbed was to do it this way, but sheesh, it left me with a sour taste in my mouth (couldn't he just not have been stabbed at all?)...... For one, Will and Elizabeth (arguably the movies' two main protagonists) are left together and in love, but they can ONLY see each other every TEN YEARS. As a viewer I am not entirely left with a feeling of satisfaction when the two characters I invested the most in are left with such a limited outcome. Elizabeth could die within the ten year period and Will would never know. Elizabeth got pregnant and had Will's kid and Will never knew..... That just seems like a major jip for two characters that the audience has been rooting for for almost nine hours-worth of movie time!!! And besides, aside from Bootstrap saying some obscure line like "where we go she cannot follow" we aren't really given a clear understanding of why Elizabeth can't be a part of Will's crew....

I actually agree on that one. I've spent 3 movies waiting for Will and Elizabeth to settle down together and they get married (In the BEST WEDDING SCENE EVER, BTW) and a happy ending seems eminent, and then BAM. He becomes the ferryman for the dead. His young promising life is exchanged for his decrepit father's life, who just stays aboard the dutchman ANYWAY to ferry the dead WITH HIM. :^) It was a bittersweet ending to say the least.
HOWEVER, it does set up interesting possibilities for sequels. If they decide to do another movie or set of movies, they can keep Jack as the main thread of all the pirates movies, but they can either choose to break Will's curse or shift the focus to a different set of protagonists who stumble into Jack's chaotic life. Either way, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Pirates of the Carribean: The Fountain of Youth. :^)

[starfighter]

    It occurred to me to look up the opening date of the Pirates  theme park ride to find the one at Disneyland opened in 1967. So, I wonder who would have starred in the Pirates movies if Disney had filmed them forty years ago.  Maybe they would have gone for stars from other studios, but from their own regulars I chose Dean Jones as Jack Sparrow and (avoiding the usual suspects of Annette and Frankie) selected either Lesley Ann Warren or Goldie Hawn for Kiera's role and the future game show host John Davidson in place of Orlando.  Of course, this depends on how many songs were in the movie.  Oh, yes, there would have been songs!
     Any other choices?  I already checked; Tommy Kirk wasn't working for Disney anymore by this time.

[Douglin]

The only Con (as far as I'm concerned): Will ends up being the captain of the Flying Dutchman at the end. This bugs me. I understand that the only way to solve the issue after Will got stabbed was to do it this way, but sheesh, it left me with a sour taste in my mouth (couldn't he just not have been stabbed at all?)...... For one, Will and Elizabeth (arguably the movies' two main protagonists) are left together and in love, but they can ONLY see each other every TEN YEARS. As a viewer I am not entirely left with a feeling of satisfaction when the two characters I invested the most in are left with such a limited outcome. Elizabeth could die within the ten year period and Will would never know. Elizabeth got pregnant and had Will's kid and Will never knew..... That just seems like a major jip for two characters that the audience has been rooting for for almost nine hours-worth of movie time!!! And besides, aside from Bootstrap saying some obscure line like "where we go she cannot follow" we aren't really given a clear understanding of why Elizabeth can't be a part of Will's crew....

I actually agree on that one. I've spent 3 movies waiting for Will and Elizabeth to settle down together and they get married (In the BEST WEDDING SCENE EVER, BTW) and a happy ending seems eminent, and then BAM. He becomes the ferryman for the dead. His young promising life is exchanged for his decrepit father's life, who just stays aboard the dutchman ANYWAY to ferry the dead WITH HIM. :^) It was a bittersweet ending to say the least.
HOWEVER, it does set up interesting possibilities for sequels. If they decide to do another movie or set of movies, they can keep Jack as the main thread of all the pirates movies, but they can either choose to break Will's curse or shift the focus to a different set of protagonists who stumble into Jack's chaotic life. Either way, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Pirates of the Carribean: The Fountain of Youth. :^)

Apparently there was a deleted scene saying that if Calypso had been there for Davy Jones after 10 years then his curse would have been lifted and he could have left the dutchman, so the will/elizabeth scenario and end-of-credits scene would have made for a happy ending that way.

I think for the next one, they should ditch the fountain of youth and will/elizabeth stuff and instead do a kind of Whacky Races/Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad World/Cannonball run type thing where some pirate dies and leaves 6 copies of a treasure map to six pirates(including Jack & Barbosa) and they have to all race and trick each other to get it.

[Dim of the Yard]

Feel free to call me an idiot here, but I wasn't actually all that fond of this one.  I didn't see the second movie, so maybe I was missing something when going into the theater, but I left the theater feeling oddly empty.  Don't get me wrong; I thought the fight scenes were spectacular, the CGI was well integrated here, I loved Elizabeth's complete reversal of character from the first film, and I did have a lot of fun during the film.  But for the most bizarre reason, I just wasn't into it.  I don't know what happened.

Sorry, guys....

[Principal_Skin-trade]

FLYING THOMPSONS GAZELLE OF THE YARD?!

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I saw the movie yesterday and found it to be simply delightful. I enjoyed it as much as the first two. I must point out a historical inaccuracy in the movie though: the term "peices of eight" refers to just that: a gold coin would be broken up into eight peices for payments of fractional debts. That's also why prices for stocks end in increments of 12.5%.

This movie was good, even if it had some hazy points. I'm looking forward to getting all of them cleared up when the thing comes out in a three-DVD boxed set. I thought that Calypso's transformation sequence was a little anti-climactic, along with the fact that she didn't take much of an active, direct hand in the events. Instead of smiting or granting boons she just made a storm and whirlpool, then buggered off as soon as she recieved Davy's corpse.

[PlayMSTie]

The only Con (as far as I'm concerned): Will ends up being the captain of the Flying Dutchman at the end. This bugs me. I understand that the only way to solve the issue after Will got stabbed was to do it this way, but sheesh, it left me with a sour taste in my mouth (couldn't he just not have been stabbed at all?)...... For one, Will and Elizabeth (arguably the movies' two main protagonists) are left together and in love, but they can ONLY see each other every TEN YEARS. As a viewer I am not entirely left with a feeling of satisfaction when the two characters I invested the most in are left with such a limited outcome. Elizabeth could die within the ten year period and Will would never know. Elizabeth got pregnant and had Will's kid and Will never knew..... That just seems like a major jip for two characters that the audience has been rooting for for almost nine hours-worth of movie time!!! And besides, aside from Bootstrap saying some obscure line like "where we go she cannot follow" we aren't really given a clear understanding of why Elizabeth can't be a part of Will's crew....

I actually agree on that one. I've spent 3 movies waiting for Will and Elizabeth to settle down together and they get married (In the BEST WEDDING SCENE EVER, BTW) and a happy ending seems eminent, and then BAM. He becomes the ferryman for the dead. His young promising life is exchanged for his decrepit father's life, who just stays aboard the dutchman ANYWAY to ferry the dead WITH HIM. :^) It was a bittersweet ending to say the least.
HOWEVER, it does set up interesting possibilities for sequels. If they decide to do another movie or set of movies, they can keep Jack as the main thread of all the pirates movies, but they can either choose to break Will's curse or shift the focus to a different set of protagonists who stumble into Jack's chaotic life. Either way, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Pirates of the Carribean: The Fountain of Youth. :^)

Apparently there was a deleted scene saying that if Calypso had been there for Davy Jones after 10 years then his curse would have been lifted and he could have left the dutchman, so the will/elizabeth scenario and end-of-credits scene would have made for a happy ending that way.

Ohhhh. That explains a lot. Well, for heaven's sake, they should have left that in!! All that crappy never-ending mythological mumbo-jumbo and they left out the ONE BIT that would have made sense and provided for a happy ending. Dolts. 

[eclipt1c]

I really didn't like this movie, for many reasons, but since it was so long, and I saw it last Friday, I don't remember half of them.  What I do remember was that for me the fights were really boring.  I'm not really interested to see people dance around with swords on the decks of ships, I'd rather watch the much cooler ships with more personality than most of the actors blow eachother out of the water.  Also, when Calypso grew to 100 feet tall, I thought I was watching Village of the Giants, which would have made the movie so much better if giant ducks came and started dancing/fighting on the decks of the ships.  Also, Keira Knightley's speech was complete crap.  It was just the same ol' 'blah blah rally together, it's the last stand' crap from practically every action movie that trys to be epic: Eragon, Lord of the Rings, X-Men, etc. and was equally wholly uninspiring.  Also, why did they have the evil British guy all the sudden pee his pants when the Dutchman came up to attack him?  And the whole fleet randomly turning away in fear of 2 ships blowing up 1 ship of the line, forgetting the fact that they still outnumbered the Pirates 2:1?

Also, the weird surrealist scenes with Depp were annoying.  They were cute for about 2 minutes, after which point Dali, Picasso, and Pollack would have looked at each other and said, 'That shit is weird.'

But some good things:  Nighy, Rush, and Chow Yun Fat were great.  Keira Knightley was hotter than usual

[Hebs]

Just saw this today, actually, somehow resisting all the spoilers, but I have to say I'm comme-ci comme ca about this, too.
I'm not going to spout any femenist speech, but I get tired of the "Kiera Knightly is the so hot" pillow shots.  Blah.
BUT I love the action - it definitely delivers.  And for a freakin' 3 hour movie, the story moves really well.

The Jack Sparrow x 13 dream sequence in purgatory look like a Bjork video.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Simply announcing the hotness of an actor or actress does not amount to a sexist or misogynistic remark.  It is an expression of desire, an appreciation of one aspect of that which makes them who they are.

I think that Knightly and Depp both look stylish and a bit sexy in swashbuckling gear, particularly with the hat on.

One category in which I think the movie was a bit short was Jack Sparrow's "eternal punishment". I mean, granted, being stranded and alone is kinda unpleasant, but you'd think it could have a little more clever psychological torture or fire and brimstone added to it.

[Nunyerbiz]

Ok, it was better than the last one. I still don't think it justified it's running time. Summer blockbusters aren't 167 minutes long. When did blockbusters forget to do a few things great instead of just being good at a bunch of stuff?

[dignan]

I loved it, and after thinking it over, Elizabeth really kind of had a Kiss of Death thing going on these last two movies.  Anybody she kissed or who kissed her (Jack, Sao Feng, Norrington, Will) ended up dead minutes later.     That's kind of funny. 

[J-Proof]

PAK-MAN (in regards to your quote of me, this is what I found out and posted on page 1 of the topic, and what Douglin reiterated)

Okay -- I read into it more and the producers/writers said thus: Will's sentence was ten years, and that's all -- the only reason it would last longer than that (such as in Davy's case) would be for him to have lost the love he felt for his woman and start rampaging the waters in search  for barnacled-slaves etc etc (and also by /not/ fulfilling his ten year duty in the first place). Because Davy came back and became bitter toward that which he loved (mostly because that which he loved wasn't still tehre waiting for him), and started rampaging the waters is why he became the tentacle-face that was forever-bound to the Flying Dutchman. Because Will comes back and he and Elizabeth are still loyal to each other, his sentence of ten years is over.


sources:
http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/movies/index.cgi?read=98721
http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/movies/index.cgi?read=98904

That being said, I think Pirates is my newest favorite trilogy =)

[Pak-Man]

Which raises the question. If the Dutchman needs a captain, who gets to ferry the dead now?