Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)

[LucasM]

I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?


Other news:
Marvel's 'Inhumans' Sets 'Dexter' Grad as Showrunner (Exclusive)

Scott Buck, who is currently overseeing Netflix's Marvel show 'Iron Fist,' will do the same with the forthcoming ABC drama.

ABC and Marvel are turning to a familiar face to oversee The Inhumans.

Dexter grad Scott Buck has been tapped to serve as showrunner on ABC's straight-to-series Marvel and Imax drama, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

The Inhumans, a race of superhumans with diverse and unique powers, were first introduced in Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1965. Since then, they have become among the most popular characters in the Marvel Universe. ABC's The Inhumans will explore the never-before-told epic adventure of Black Bolt and the royal family.

Buck will serve as showrunner on the drama series, with the first two episodes set to exclusively unspool in Imax theaters over a two-week period starting Labor Day Weekend 2017 before the drama debuts on ABC in September in a groundbreaking, first-of-its-kind collaboration that helps cut through the crowded fall landscape.

The Inhumans deal extends Marvel's relationship with Buck, who is currently serving as showrunner on the comic book powerhouse's Netflix drama Iron Fist. Iron Fist is Marvel and Netflix's fourth series, with the fifth — mini The Defenders — set to feature stars from the former as well as Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

Iron Fist marks Buck's first post-Dexter gig. Buck served as showrunner for the final three seasons of Showtime's Michael C. Hall serial-killer-with-a-code drama after taking over for Clyde Phillips. Buck's credits also include Six Feet Under, Rome and Coach. He's repped by CAA.

Picked up straight to series Nov. 14, The Inhumans is ABC's latest Marvel collaboration. The live-action TV series is not taking the place of the planned feature film and is not a spinoff of ABC's Marvel drama Agents of SHIELD. This becomes ABC's third Marvel series, following SHIELD and the late and great Agent Carter. Inhumans is produced by Marvel, ABC Studios and Imax, with all episodes set to be filmed with Imax cameras.

[Edward J Grug III]

I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?

I wasn't convinced it was going to be great anyway, but I'm always hungry for more MCU.

[LucasM]

I wonder if Damage Control is quietly disappearing?

Talk of it certainly seems to have vanished.  After your question, I did a couple searches, and can't find any newer info since about January of this year.  Possibly a crib death?

I wasn't convinced it was going to be great anyway, but I'm always hungry for more MCU.

Yeah, I agree (on both parts).  I think for Damage Control to truly be funny, it would need a budget almost rivaling Agents of SHIELD (and that budget for a 1/2 hour comedy).  Because it would actually have to show catastrophe on a real scale to have the 'antics' play off them comedically.  If the environment isn't believable, the comedy would be likely to fall flat.  Honestly, if they could re-use theatrical catastrophic set pieces already created for the MCU films (i.e. the damaged areas are already built in the computer), it would collapse the budget enormously... of course, then they'd be using top-tier special effects houses, which are not only pricier than those used for TV special effects, but are also booked to capacity for years in advance, I would think.

But I guess we'll get an 'also-ran' with DC's upcoming 'Powerless' in early 2017 (a mid-season replacement).  If you aren't following DC as much, it is a 1/2-hour comedy of an insurance company dealing with superhero fallout (not nearly the budgetary requirements of Damage Control, as they likely only have to show photos of much of the damage they are dealing with).  It apparently stars a RiffTrax film alum, Vanessa Hudgens from High School Musical (who apparently has been performing successfully as a lead on Broadway recently).

[LucasM]

Back a couple pages (possibly even the bottom of page 1 of this thread) I'd started discussing Captain America: Civil War, and I'd intended to get into it from the standpoint of the psychological concepts of moral development as delineated by Lawrence Kohlberg.  [I did my Master's thesis research using those stages and dogmatism as described by Milton Rokeach, seeing how they interacted.  (My theory: that only those who were not dogmatic could reach higher moral development levels.  While my subject pool was too narrow to get conclusive results, they appeared to support that.)]

Here's a quick run-down of the moral stages, from Wikipedia:

Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
            1. Obedience and punishment orientation
                    (How can I avoid punishment?)
            2. Self-interest orientation
                    (What's in it for me?)
                    (Paying for a benefit)

    Level 2 (Conventional)
            3. Interpersonal accord and conformity
                    (Social norms)
                    (The good boy/girl attitude)
            4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation
                    (Law and order morality)

    Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
            5. Social contract orientation
            6. Universal ethical principles
                    (Principled conscience)

To put it simply, in my evaluation of his behavior, Tony Stark varies from stage 2 to stage 4 (tops), while Steve Rogers is most likely in stage 6 (and has been at that stage since he first appeared as the scrawny kid who 'took it outside' to keep a jerk from causing additional emotional pain to a woman suffering from a loved one being [lost?/injured?/absent?] in the war).

So (quoting the Wikipedia page with the exception of the MCU names):

Tony Stark =

Stage two (self-interest driven) expresses the "what's in it for me" position, in which right behavior is defined by whatever the individual believes to be in their best interest but understood in a narrow way which does not consider one's reputation or relationships to groups of people. Stage two reasoning shows a limited interest in the needs of others, but only to a point where it might further the individual's own interests. As a result, concern for others is not based on loyalty or intrinsic respect, but rather a "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" mentality.[2] The lack of a societal perspective in the pre-conventional level is quite different from the social contract (stage five), as all actions at this stage have the purpose of serving the individual's own needs or interests. For the stage two theorist, the world's perspective is often seen as morally relative.

...but during the film, out of guilt, Tony at least appears to get to:

Stage four (authority and social order obedience driven), it is important to obey laws, dictums, and social conventions because of their importance in maintaining a functioning society. Moral reasoning in stage four is thus beyond the need for individual approval exhibited in stage three. A central ideal or ideals often prescribe what is right and wrong. If one person violates a law, perhaps everyone would—thus there is an obligation and a duty to uphold laws and rules. When someone does violate a law, it is morally wrong; culpability is thus a significant factor in this stage as it separates the bad domains from the good ones. Most active members of society remain at stage four, where morality is still predominantly dictated by an outside force.[2]

Steve Rogers, however, is at:

Stage six (universal ethical principles driven), moral reasoning is based on abstract reasoning using universal ethical principles. Laws are valid only insofar as they are grounded in justice, and a commitment to justice carries with it an obligation to disobey unjust laws. Legal rights are unnecessary, as social contracts are not essential for deontic moral action. Decisions are not reached hypothetically in a conditional way but rather categorically in an absolute way, as in the philosophy of Immanuel Kant.[18] This involves an individual imagining what they would do in another's shoes, if they believed what that other person imagines to be true.[19] The resulting consensus is the action taken. In this way action is never a means but always an end in itself; the individual acts because it is right, and not because it avoids punishment, is in their best interest, expected, legal, or previously agreed upon. Although Kohlberg insisted that stage six exists, he found it difficult to identify individuals who consistently operated at that level.[15]

I just thought this was a different 'take' on the film, and one I find more interesting than much of what has been written about it before (e.g. "who was right/wrong?").  I'd hoped to use more of my own text in the writing of this, but the further we get past the film, the more apparent it is that that is unlikely to ever happen, so I figured I'd at least put this out there.

Discuss. 

[k1]

New Agents of SHIELD spin-off news.  Sadly not the Most Wanted one, but....

http://comicbook.com/2016/12/07/marvel-announces-new-digital-tv-series/

Marvel's Agents of SHIELD was all set to receive its own spinoff series in Most Wanted, but dreams were dashed when ABC didn't pick up the pilot. Now Agents of SHIELD is getting another spinoff project, this time in the form of a digital show called Slingshot.

The digital series will follow Elena "Yo-Yo" Rodriguez (played by Natalia Cordova-Buckley), who says of her role "There's a lot of me in Yo-Yo and a lot of Yo-Yo in me." The web series is actually a prequel to the start of season 4, showing how she comes to terms with her powers and giving it a bit of insight into the character's past.

Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot takes place shortly before the beginning of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 4. The digital series features Elena "Yo-Yo" Rodriguez, an Inhuman with the ability to move at super-speed. As a person with powers, she must sign the Sokovia Accords. However, the restrictions of the Accords are in direct conflict with a personal mission she's desperate to fulfill, one that will test her abilities and will include tense encounters with S.H.I.E.L.D. team members.


Slingshot launches on December 13, which is also when Marvel's Agents of SHIELD returns to ABC.

[Pak-Man]

I love Yo-Yo and can't wait for this, but she's not who I'd pick for a spinoff...

[Edward J Grug III]

Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?

[LucasM]

Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?

From the Agents of SHIELD thread:

'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta

So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

I do hope they add it as an extra to the Blus for this season.  [comment outside the purview of this thread: I'm still ticked that NONE of the versions of the first X-Men film has contained the 1/2-hour made for TV show that was aired as a real statement by Senator Kelly on the dangers of mutants.  It was on the Monday before the film released (if I'm remembering correctly).  And it's never been seen since. ]

[LucasM]

[LucasM]

[goflyblind]

Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?

From the Agents of SHIELD thread:

'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta

So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

not in the great white north, anyways:

[LucasM]

Wonder if Slingshot will be watchable outside of the US?

From the Agents of SHIELD thread:

'Slingshot' micro-series up and running.  Netflix style (all available at one).  Starts here: http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-agents-of-shield-slingshot/episode-guide/season-01/01-vendetta

So you'll have to let us know, EJG III, if it works for those outside the US.  I hope so.  While it wasn't mind-blowing, altogether it was a nice 'short solo episode' of AoS.

not in the great white north, anyways:

That sucks!

[Edward J Grug III]

People not from the US can go suck eggs, as usual.

[Edward J Grug III]

http://mcuexchange.com/speculation-damage-control-might-debut-in-spider-man-homecoming/

[LucasM]

http://mcuexchange.com/speculation-damage-control-might-debut-in-spider-man-homecoming/

Cool, thanks for the link!  Seems pretty likely it's Damage Control there.  And Damage Control certainly fits better with the more fun/quirky 'neighborhood' of Spidey than, say, it would have in Captain America: Civil War.

What may be happening is they didn't think it'd have enough steam to premiere on its own, so - like Coulson's film appearances ultimately ushering in Agents of SHIELD - possibly Spider-Man: Homecoming will be the introduction of the concept so that when it does appear on TV (next Fall, maybe?) it will already have some built-in followers.  (More followers than those who know it from comics or who will follow anything Marvel does on film, at any rate.)