Marvel Shared Film Universe: MCU Theatrical & TV (discussion, crossovers, etc.)

[Pak-Man]

That looks like exactly what I wanted this show to be. Can't wait!

[LucasM]

Well, count me among those massively unimpressed by 'Thor: Love and Thunder'.

I got the impression as I watched it today that it was intended to be funny in a lot of places, but there wasn't a single thing in the film that got me to even smile.  So it thoroughly failed as a comedy, even worse than Ragnarok did.

There was a huge amount of stuff going on, but incredibly little of it actually seemed to have any real point.  So - I suppose - in that regard it was Shakespearean: "much ado about nothing".

It appeared to be designed largely as a display of visual 'cool shit' ["shit" being a word that was used a LOT in the film - I counted a minimum of five times - there are PLENTY of other swear words: pick another one once in a while].

Spoiler for specific plot point:
In addition, the "good guys" snuck their way into Zeus's cathedral (getting robes presumably through violence to people who were supposed to be there), and then slaughtered large numbers of gods - including supposedly Zeus (believed dead by the audience until the end-credit scene) - to steal Zeus's lightning bolt... 'because they needed it'.  "I want/need that more than you" [basically the sociopathic comment of Rocket at the end of GotG v2] is not an adequate justification for multiple homicides and theft.  Given the gold blood of those they killed, presumably all of those they slaughtered were 'low-level' gods.  That, when supposedly protecting gods from Gorr was a major reason for their statement that they needed the lightning bolt.  Ultimately, they killed more gods than Gorr was shown doing in the film just while they were in Zeus's temple.  Yeah: NOT heroes, but terrorists.

Overall, I'd say that this is easily down below 'Thor: The Dark World' as one of the most tedious-to-get-through MCU films.  I actually liked Dark World better.

[LucasM]

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Could a moderator move this entire thread to the 'Movie Talk' area of the boards?   It appears to be getting repeatedly missed for MCU film and Dis+ series discussions with it straddling the Film/TV arenas in the 'General/Off-Topic Discussion' area.  Thanks!

[The Lurker]

Well, count me among those massively unimpressed by 'Thor: Love and Thunder'.

I got the impression as I watched it today that it was intended to be funny in a lot of places, but there wasn't a single thing in the film that got me to even smile.  So it thoroughly failed as a comedy, even worse than Ragnarok did.

There was a huge amount of stuff going on, but incredibly little of it actually seemed to have any real point.  So - I suppose - in that regard it was Shakespearean: "much ado about nothing".

It appeared to be designed largely as a display of visual 'cool shit' ["shit" being a word that was used a LOT in the film - I counted a minimum of five times - there are PLENTY of other swear words: pick another one once in a while].

Spoiler for specific plot point:
In addition, the "good guys" snuck their way into Zeus's cathedral (getting robes presumably through violence to people who were supposed to be there), and then slaughtered large numbers of gods - including supposedly Zeus (believed dead by the audience until the end-credit scene) - to steal Zeus's lightning bolt... 'because they needed it'.  "I want/need that more than you" [basically the sociopathic comment of Rocket at the end of GotG v2] is not an adequate justification for multiple homicides and theft.  Given the gold blood of those they killed, presumably all of those they slaughtered were 'low-level' gods.  That, when supposedly protecting gods from Gorr was a major reason for their statement that they needed the lightning bolt.  Ultimately, they killed more gods than Gorr was shown doing in the film just while they were in Zeus's temple.  Yeah: NOT heroes, but terrorists.

Overall, I'd say that this is easily down below 'Thor: The Dark World' as one of the most tedious-to-get-through MCU films.  I actually liked Dark World better.

Apparently, it had multiple editors so I wouldn't be surprised if there were behind the scenes issues.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Well, count me among those massively unimpressed by 'Thor: Love and Thunder'.

I got the impression as I watched it today that it was intended to be funny in a lot of places, but there wasn't a single thing in the film that got me to even smile.  So it thoroughly failed as a comedy, even worse than Ragnarok did.

There was a huge amount of stuff going on, but incredibly little of it actually seemed to have any real point.  So - I suppose - in that regard it was Shakespearean: "much ado about nothing".

It appeared to be designed largely as a display of visual 'cool shit' ["shit" being a word that was used a LOT in the film - I counted a minimum of five times - there are PLENTY of other swear words: pick another one once in a while].

Spoiler for specific plot point:
In addition, the "good guys" snuck their way into Zeus's cathedral (getting robes presumably through violence to people who were supposed to be there), and then slaughtered large numbers of gods - including supposedly Zeus (believed dead by the audience until the end-credit scene) - to steal Zeus's lightning bolt... 'because they needed it'.  "I want/need that more than you" [basically the sociopathic comment of Rocket at the end of GotG v2] is not an adequate justification for multiple homicides and theft.  Given the gold blood of those they killed, presumably all of those they slaughtered were 'low-level' gods.  That, when supposedly protecting gods from Gorr was a major reason for their statement that they needed the lightning bolt.  Ultimately, they killed more gods than Gorr was shown doing in the film just while they were in Zeus's temple.  Yeah: NOT heroes, but terrorists.

Overall, I'd say that this is easily down below 'Thor: The Dark World' as one of the most tedious-to-get-through MCU films.  I actually liked Dark World better.

Apparently, it had multiple editors so I wouldn't be surprised if there were behind the scenes issues.

I noticed it seemed like sections of it had different "feel" than others, so it makes sense that it had too many cooks.

I liked all the stuff with Jane, Thor was way too annoying up until the last half hour, Valkyrie and Korg were good, the rest was nice eye candy.  So I thought it was mostly fun to watch even with the stupid parts.  Loved the choices for the music.

Seems to be a thing with so many big budget movies where there is a middle section that takes up a bunch of time but really doesn't add anything to the plot, really stands out in this one, if they never went to the city with all the gods the movie would have had the same ending.

[Edward J Grug III]

REQUEST:
Could a moderator move this entire thread to the 'Movie Talk' area of the boards?   It appears to be getting repeatedly missed for MCU film and Dis+ series discussions with it straddling the Film/TV arenas in the 'General/Off-Topic Discussion' area.  Thanks!

No problem - done

[LucasM]

REQUEST:
Could a moderator move this entire thread to the 'Movie Talk' area of the boards?   It appears to be getting repeatedly missed for MCU film and Dis+ series discussions with it straddling the Film/TV arenas in the 'General/Off-Topic Discussion' area.  Thanks!

No problem - done

Thanks VERY much, EJG III!

[Pastor of Muppets]

I liked Thor 4 pretty well.  I like the outer space / high fantasy style MCU movies.  I can't wait for Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

It's really cool that MCU has such a  wide range of characters that they can make so many different general kinds of movies.

[The Lurker]

Who's up for some werewolf action?

[Edward J Grug III]

Who's up for some werewolf action?

MAN-THING!!!

[LucasM]

I liked Thor 4 pretty well.  I like the outer space / high fantasy style MCU movies.  I can't wait for Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

It's really cool that MCU has such a  wide range of characters that they can make so many different general kinds of movies.

I like the outer space / high fantasy style MCU movies as well.  In comics, quite possibly my favorite storyline was Starlin's initial Warlock run (Magus and first major battle with everyone against Thanos).

The problems I have with this Thor film is that it turns Thor 100% into an inconsiderate, narcissistic asshole who is childish in his interpersonal relationship with Jane (his behavior is equivalent to possibly a 5-year old's).  That transformation into a self-centered asshole started in the additional PoS, Thor: Ragnarok.  But, while Ragnarok had occasional bits of watchability, this film is MUCH worse.  In this film, he also becomes a multiple-murderer when he isn't allowed to steal someone else's property.

Seriously, think about that: he asked to take Zeus's property, and killed over a dozen gods in his attempt to steal it - killing FAR more gods than the "God Killer".

That turns him into a serial killer narcissistic sociopath.  Not funny.  Not 'cool'.  And DEFINITELY not REMOTELY a "hero".

THAT is why I have a problem with the film.

[Pastor of Muppets]

Gor was going to kill ALL the gods though.  In the end he didn't, but Thor couldn't have known that at the time.  I mean, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.  Sometimes you don't have the luxury of taking the high ground.

I'll have to watch again, but I don't think he actually killed many gods anyway.  Zeus was fine, according to the post credits scene.

[LucasM]

Gor was going to kill ALL the gods though.  In the end he didn't, but Thor couldn't have known that at the time.  I mean, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.  Sometimes you don't have the luxury of taking the high ground.

I'll have to watch again, but I don't think he actually killed many gods anyway.  Zeus was fine, according to the post credits scene.

I just rewatched it last night and counted.  Thor kills an even dozen gods.  His posse kills likely twice that many (most killed by Valkyrie).  Since most gods can't regenerate (or Gorr would be meaningless), lesser gods than Zeus would have stayed dead.

So, yeah, mass murderers during a felony theft... presented as 'heroes'.

[Pastor of Muppets]

Well I did go to the bathroom around the time they entered that place so maybe I missed something.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

I didn't think the guards that turned to gold dust when killed were gods, were they?
But really for me at that point everyone on screen were being such horrible people I really didn't care who killed who.