Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilertastic Thread

[k1]

But yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not him.

[Russell AKA Soguru]

Eehh. Why would he worship the helmet then?

It's symbolic... maybe even symbiotic(For both Vader and Kylo Ren)? The identity of some villains and characters in Star Wars is less the person and more the helmet/outfit, kind of like the Dread Pirate Roberts. It's like what Ben did when he took on the identity of Kylo Ren. Putting on the mask means he is above morality, powerful enough that he answers to nobody but Snoke. There is no more love, compassion or family, there's just the inner selfish desires that are sort of diverted towards the goal of controlling others under threat of death.

[Quantum Vagina]

Andy Serkis weighed in on the idea that Snoke was Plagueis, and quashed that theory. He also stated that it was "Someone we hadn't seen before", so it won't be Vader. I'm disappointed that it's not Plagueis, after all, I'd love to see him plotting his revenge against Palpatine by being better at the Empire than he was.

[Edward J Grug III]

Interesting (but I doubt it) theory on Snoke:

Spoiler

Eehh. Why would he worship the helmet then?

Snoke didn't worship the helmet, and Kylo doesn't necessarily know, right?

[Imrahil]

Just because he's a Sith Lord that doesn't make him a good business manager. Maybe Vader force choked a bunch of people and he got demoted?
But I do agree with you, it did seem a little odd it retrospect to see him taking orders from Tarkin who outright mocks the usefulness of The Force.

In the new comics, the Emperor is super pissed about the Death Star's loss and takes it out on Vader by making him Tagge's servant boy for awhile.

You can almost hear him going "What the hell's an Aluminum Falcon?"

[Compound]

Side note- I heard some legitimate Ep 8 spoilers earlier today, but since this is the ep 7 spoiler thread, I'll not put them here.

[d00hickey]

Andy Serkis weighed in on the idea that Snoke was Plagueis, and quashed that theory. He also stated that it was "Someone we hadn't seen before", so it won't be Vader. I'm disappointed that it's not Plagueis, after all, I'd love to see him plotting his revenge against Palpatine by being better at the Empire than he was.

Andy Serkis and JJ abrams also said Snoke had to be CGI because it literally could not be done practically in a way that suited the aesthetic of the film. That implies to me that he will either be giant or small, or maybe an AI or something.

Doohickey's crazy Star Wars conspiracy of the day;

Maybe Snoke is an AI created by the first order to seduce Kylo Ren and other force sensies to the Dark Side. It's heavily implied that ALL Jedi and Sith are gone by the end of Jedi (Luke not withstanding obviously). Would a convincing, huminoid AI be outside the realm of possibility in the Star Wars universe?

[Ben]

Andy Serkis weighed in on the idea that Snoke was Plagueis, and quashed that theory. He also stated that it was "Someone we hadn't seen before", so it won't be Vader. I'm disappointed that it's not Plagueis, after all, I'd love to see him plotting his revenge against Palpatine by being better at the Empire than he was.

Simon Pegg also denied Khan was in "Star Trek: Into Darkness." Fast-forward to May 16, 2013, and doodly doodly doop...

[SJP]

Well, that explains everything.  Ren's so mad because her parents dared to give him the raspberry.

[ScottotD]

People desperately looking for holes #2:

Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so. 

[RoninFox]

People desperately looking for holes #2:

Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so.

The only part of your point I disagree with was Vader having trouble with Luke twice. In Empire I always thought it seemed Vader had the fight in hand 90 percent of the time but held back to try and tempt Luke instead of destroy him.

[Quantum Vagina]

People desperately looking for holes #2:

Ren's a weak villain because he was almost beaten by Rey (after being shot by the lazer shotgun that is the Bowcaster but apparently that's not relevant) despite the fact Vader had trouble with Luke TWICE and lost the second time even though he'd been a studying the force for about 30 years to Luke's 4 or so.

The only part of your point I disagree with was Vader having trouble with Luke twice. In Empire I always thought it seemed Vader had the fight in hand 90 percent of the time but held back to try and tempt Luke instead of destroy him.

Agreed. But Star Wars has this really weird thing going on where in the prequels, Anakin had years of training. Luke had a few weeks, and then Rey beats Ren the first time she uses the damn glow stick. Vaders loss to Luke can also be explained by the fact that he really was torn by having to kill his son. (Incidentally that also makes him better than Kylo Ren, because Ren didn't have any qualms about killing daddy.)

[The Lurker]

Rey also has had melee weapon experience, though, with her staff.  She does seem to still need practice with it.  Ren did get emotional before the deed and hesitated after (which gave Chewie time to fire at him).

[Quantum Vagina]

Rey also has had melee weapon experience, though, with her staff.  She does seem to still need practice with it.  Ren did get emotional before the deed and hesitated after (which gave Chewie time to fire at him).

Any martial artist will tell you that there's a massive difference between a staff and a sword. All of Ren's "emotion" before can be viewed as an attempt to fake out Han and the audience into thinking Han wouldn't die, not actual emotion. Maybe afterwards it was real, but it just makes him more one dimensional as a villain in my opinion. For someone who wants to be like grandpa, he shouldn't have those kinds of feelings. Anakin choked out his pregnant wife when he thought she was turning from him. Maybe you can view it as "Ren will turn", but that makes him LESS threatening. With Vader, you weren't sure that he would turn. You wanted him to, but there was no guarantee. They didn't add that doubt until the last 30 of Jedi. Ren is a crybaby emo brat. He takes after Luke, as far as the whiny goes.

[The Lurker]

True, which is why her technique wasn't all that great.  The thing, though, is that Ren doesn't actually know what Vader was like.  He only thinks he does.