Twilight 2: New Moon

[ScottotD]

I could reference many studies that show people are not directly influenced to act based on media and I'm sure you could find many that show otherwise.  I think "weak, poorly developed minds" is being unessesarily cruel to the fanbase, however to use the same comparison as Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck.  Teenagers (many of whom may have "weak, poorly developed minds") have been reading Romeo and Juliet for a long time and suicide pacts are still pretty uncommon.

So uncommon that Heathers used it in their plot as a "current epidemic"....?

Heathers is a comedy, a great comedy.  Man, I should get a copy of Heathers.

  So, you're claiming that the teenage suicide epidemic was only made up as a joke in that movie?

So, Billy Joel also wrote "You're Only Human (Second Wind)" in 1985 not because there was a real concern about that at the time....he just did it for the hell of it?

From The New York Time Magazine

After declining for decades, the rate started climbing in the late 1950's, especially for boys. By the 1980's, it had tripled - to 11.3 per 100,000 teenagers 15 to 19, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Does your view of reality end at the tip of your nose or the bridge of it?

what was that name for people who use personal insults again? 


Romeo and Juliet was written around 1591, you're saying that relates to people killing themselves in 1980?  Again, I'm sure you can find as many studies which show people's behaviour is dictated by media as I could find reports stating the opposite (sadly I'm not sure Billy Joel can back me up)

Even if your point is correct, what would be the solution? get rid of an entertainment which anyone may act on or be influenced by?

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

Romeo and Juliet was written around 1591, you're saying that relates to people killing themselves in 1980?  Again, I'm sure you can find as many studies which show people's behaviour is dictated by media as I could find reports stating the opposite (sadly I'm not sure Billy Joel can back me up)

Even if your point is correct, what would be the solution? get rid of an entertainment which anyone may act on or be influenced by?

Even Shakespeare shows that Romeo's act of suicide was rash and ill-advised - because it was based on wrong information and knee-jerk reactions. That's why it's labeled a tragedy.

In fact if Romeo had been paying attention, the color was coming back to her face as she was waking up just before he did it ("Thou art not conquer'd; beauty's ensign yet  Is crimson in thy lips and in thy cheeks...").  And that then led to Juliet making another bad rash decision.

"Twilight" paints suicide - whether by Bella or Edward - to be the ultimate act of love.  That it's something good and romantic.  And then these books are focus marketed mainly to an age group that has a tendency to react and over-react emotionally, a group who tend to feel "immortal" and act without thinking long term (which, for instance, is a reason why auto insurance costs more for teenagers - you've heard of that, yes?).

Like I've said, if these books had the same theme and Bella was being shown as a bad role model or she did have this relationship but then realized the mistake she was making in the end (even if they weren't written any better) I'd be more than fine with them.  In fact, I'd probably encourage young women to read them.  But she's not shown as self-destructive.  Just the opposite - she gets to go to vampire nirvana in the end.  She gets to not only have her guy and become a vampire...she also gets break every law they have so she can have everything she wants.

I think I'd rather have a tween see The Room deal with suicide, for god sake.....(perhaps with the sex scenes to encourage waiting until your older). Maybe they'd come away thinking that only inarticulate pasty guys with greasy hair, lumpy suits and who can't throw a football farther than 3 feet commit suicide....

And questioning whether you pay attention to anything in life that doesn't concern you is not name calling.

"Asshole" is an example of name calling.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

He says it at the beginning but I'll say it too

***************SPOILERS******************

(as in he acts out the entire movie)

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[JimJ]

Everything I'm hearing about this is making it sound unintentionally hilarious.  I'm actually kind of considering seeing it now.

[ScottotD]

Romeo and Juliet was written around 1591, you're saying that relates to people killing themselves in 1980?  Again, I'm sure you can find as many studies which show people's behaviour is dictated by media as I could find reports stating the opposite (sadly I'm not sure Billy Joel can back me up)

Even if your point is correct, what would be the solution? get rid of an entertainment which anyone may act on or be influenced by?

Even Shakespeare shows that Romeo's act of suicide was rash and ill-advised - because it was based on wrong information and knee-jerk reactions. That's why it's labeled a tragedy.

In fact if Romeo had been paying attention, the color was coming back to her face as she was waking up just before he did it ("Thou art not conquer'd; beauty's ensign yet  Is crimson in thy lips and in thy cheeks...").  And that then led to Juliet making another bad rash decision.

"Twilight" paints suicide - whether by Bella or Edward - to be the ultimate act of love.  That it's something good and romantic.  And then these books are focus marketed mainly to an age group that has a tendency to react and over-react emotionally, a group who tend to feel "immortal" and act without thinking long term (which, for instance, is a reason why auto insurance costs more for teenagers - you've heard of that, yes?).

Like I've said, if these books had the same theme and Bella was being shown as a bad role model or she did have this relationship but then realized the mistake she was making in the end (even if they weren't written any better) I'd be more than fine with them.  In fact, I'd probably encourage young women to read them.  But she's not shown as self-destructive.  Just the opposite - she gets to go to vampire nirvana in the end.  She gets to not only have her guy and become a vampire...she also gets break every law they have so she can have everything she wants.

I think I'd rather have a tween see The Room deal with suicide, for god sake.....(perhaps with the sex scenes to encourage waiting until your older). Maybe they'd come away thinking that only inarticulate pasty guys with greasy hair, lumpy suits and who can't throw a football farther than 3 feet commit suicide....

And questioning whether you pay attention to anything in life that doesn't concern you is not name calling.

"Asshole" is an example of name calling.

The fact you entirely avoided the question aside, your 'point' jumps all over the place.  Essentially you seem to be saying people who read Twilight will end up behaving self-destructively because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality, which I strongly disagree with if that in fact is your 'point'

I think I'd rather have a tween see The Room deal with suicide, for god sake.....(perhaps with the sex scenes to encourage waiting until your older).

Although with this you just come of as creepy so it's hard to tell.

[esoobaC .T bocaJ]

I'm gonna end this argument once and for all.


Ladies and Gentlemen, "The Vamp"

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[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

The fact you entirely avoided the question aside, your 'point' jumps all over the place.

Coming from someone who (supposedly) looked at the proof of concerns about teenage suicide increases (and at certain times) I provided after you insisted it didn't exist and was even just made up for the movie Heathers....and whose response was, "Even if your point is correct..."

You have you own sets of facts and that's all you'll acknowledge.  I've proved that and that's enough.

[Tripe]

And now, someecards

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

[Lovye]

I'ma gonna see this today.

Like Leno said a few nights ago (paraprhasing):  The movie is about a girl who can't decide to date a vampire or a wearwolf.  She's not thinking; the vampire can't go out during the day and the wearwolf can't go out at night, I don't see a problem.

[Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck]

I'ma gonna see this today.

Like Leno said a few nights ago (paraprhasing):  The movie is about a girl who can't decide to date a vampire or a wearwolf.  She's not thinking; the vampire can't go out during the day and the wearwolf can't go out at night, I don't see a problem.

Well, in Meyer's world both can go out anytime.....just that the vampire can't go out in direct sunlight lest he sparkle.

[Lovye]

I didn't believe people when they said this was unintentional lulz.  I now am a believer.

You know what's sad?  The COOL stuff that was in the movie, was NOT in the books.  That's what was added.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

And now, someecards

Dude, you're a bit late for that.  Titanic came out in 1997, and Micheal Ceras has been around for a while.

Srsly though, I will put htis out:

New Moon only has any tension at all because everyone in the story acts like a complete moron.

Anyone stupid enough to emulate behavior from new moon and see the characters as role models is already at  a higher risk of death by self-inflicted grooming appliance injury.

[Tripe]

and Micheal Ceras has been around for a while.

Wait, there are women that want to sleep with that omega male? I didn't buy that in Juno let alone real life.

[esoobaC .T bocaJ]

and Micheal Ceras has been around for a while.

Wait, there are women that want to sleep with that omega male? I didn't buy that in Juno let alone real life.

that can't be true, the guy has only one facial expression