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Offline basselope

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First post, and in keeping with tradition... Thank you SASD (and all the gurus) with every fiber of my being for this outstanding guide and a great thread! :clap: I read all 35 pages before my first purchase and completed my first Riff Disc (Potter-Sorcerers) in a day and with very little trouble.

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That's not a bad idea! Beats the heck out of tweaking line-by-line in the audio edit phase.

Speaking of which, I've seen a few posts mention editing the levels of selected parts of a given audio track in Audacity. I've fiddled with it a bit and have googled for it but I'm not having any luck. Highlighting a section of a track and bumping the db seems to affect the entire track, not just the selected area.

Ideas?

Last question, Anybody know of decent Authoring software that lets you create oversized projects with menus and what-not? My plan was to simply "Shrink" it before burning. I've been using DVDWorkshop2, VideoStudio and DVDLabPro but none of them will this.

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Import the movie's audio and the Rifftrax audio.  (make sure and take out the Disembaudio lines before hand with the help of the accompanying text file.)  Select all the Rifftrax track in Audacity, then go into the menu and click on auto-duck.  You'll need to tweak the settings to get it how you want it.  Experiment a few times with it until it is right for you.  It should take 15-20 minutes more or less to auto-duck the whole thing.
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Thx for the reply bettertomorrowamy.

So, auto-duck (only with 1.3 Beta, yes?) should be applied to the entire Rifftrax track? I'm guessing the feature works by only reducing the selected (in this case the Riff track) track's levels based on comparing them slice-by-slice to the concurrent levels in the remaining tracks. If that's the case, wouldn't the riff lines still be swamped by the louder portions of the movie audio?

Not trying to be difficult... I just have a knack for it.  ;D

BTW, I did follow the main guide and used BeSweet/BeLight, so as I understand it, the movie audio should have some amount of normalization before going into Audacity. There were just a few areas that drowned out the riff lines.
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I've never cared for the ducking unless the timing is just right. But that's more personal preference than anything.


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So, auto-duck (only with 1.3 Beta, yes?) should be applied to the entire Rifftrax track? I'm guessing the feature works by only reducing the selected (in this case the Riff track) track's levels based on comparing them slice-by-slice to the concurrent levels in the remaining tracks. If that's the case, wouldn't the riff lines still be swamped by the louder portions of the movie audio?

The auto-duck feature goes through the tracks and when the one on the bottom (the riff) goes above a certain volume (whenever a riffer is speaking) it automatically lowers the volume of the upper track (the movie audio) to a certain level.  So the movie audio will fade to a lower volume as the riff plays, then fade back up again.  If done right it's barely noticeable (like it used to be with MST3K) the movie will sound normal, then the riff will be heard clearly as the volume changes, then comes back again just as quick, but if you set it too low, or have too long a lead in/out time on the fade you end up with a second or so warning of when a riff is coming.
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Hmmm... Yea, I'm not sure that would be better than what I have now. The project turned out better than I expected... there are only 4 or 5 places where the movie audio overpowers the riff, and maybe a couple of places where the riff is a bit piercing. All in all, quite nice.
So, you can't just select an area and adjust the level. Rats!

Okay, on to the next minor question. Is there some point during SASD's process, using the tools mentioned in the main guide, that chapters can be placed back on the disk? SASD mentioned using DVD Decrypter to snag the chapter information during the ripping process. Did that, got the file.... never used it. I have one giant chapter. I assumed that since the chapter info was set to "ifoedit" I would probably use it once I got to the ifoedit stage. I poked around in the menus, but being the rank amateur that I am, saw nothing that looked right. Not that big a deal, but I did get bitten last night. Paused the movie to let the dog out, came back and hit rewind... only it was the previous chapter button instead... RATS!! Luckily I have 128x fast forward so it wasn't too bad.

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So, you can't just select an area and adjust the level. Rats!

No one said you couldn't.  I prefer not to do that, because it took so dang long when I tried it, but if there's a part where the volume of the movie overpowers the riff you can easily just highlight that section of the movie in audacity and click effect-amplify and slide the bar it gives you to the left to make it a negative amplification, experiment using the preview button to see when you have the right level.

Okay, on to the next minor question. Is there some point during SASD's process, using the tools mentioned in the main guide, that chapters can be placed back on the disk? SASD mentioned using DVD Decrypter to snag the chapter information during the ripping process. Did that, got the file.... never used it. I have one giant chapter. I assumed that since the chapter info was set to "ifoedit" I would probably use it once I got to the ifoedit stage. I poked around in the menus, but being the rank amateur that I am, saw nothing that looked right.

When using IfoEdit after clicking "Author New DVD" the window should have places for Video, Audio, Subpicture (meaning subtitles if you have them), and Scene Changes/Chapters.  Click the button next to Scene Changes/Chapters and you should be able to select the Chapter Information file you got from the dvd.
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Hmmm... Yea, I'm not sure that would be better than what I have now. The project turned out better than I expected... there are only 4 or 5 places where the movie audio overpowers the riff, and maybe a couple of places where the riff is a bit piercing. All in all, quite nice.
So, you can't just select an area and adjust the level. Rats!


I would tweak the settings a little more next time, but each release seems to require minor tweaks in the amplitude of the Rifftrax audio.  You can select certain sections of the tracks and lower or raise the amplitude.  Most of the time I sync up the two tracks, auto-duck them, and then lower the amplitude of the Rifftrax track so that it is closer to the amplitude of the movie track so that the Rifftrax isn't insanely louder than the movie audio.
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Thanks Roninfox... that's what I was after. And I found this in my searches... a nice video tutorial (youtube style, so not too big... or too clear) http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/podcasting-howto-using-audacity-to-duck-music-behind-voice/6029408/
Discusses Ducking, Fading, etc.

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...so that the Rifftrax isn't insanely louder than the movie audio.
yea, that was my first experience... I just about browned my shorts when the rifftrax intro music started up the first time in Audacity. I can see where manually adjusting the levels in an action movie or a non-normalized track could be maddening, but in this case I only have a handful of items to massage.
I have an ulterior motive as well. I've been collecting odds and ends from all over the net ( you gotta check out Possum Death Spree and HellHoles over at Atomfilms) and making my own little Drive-in themed DVDs. With almost 2 dozen source files on a single disc you can imagine the the kinds of potholes I hit. This thread has helped with a few of those that are still bugging me.

I also stumbled across an answer to another question about authoring oversized projects. ulead Video Studio 11 would bark when I wanted to render an oversized project out to folders by saying it "may" not burn correctly, but since I planned to use DVDShrink I would just go ahead as it was. Turns out that VS11 would just hack off the end of my project... a very unpleasant surprise after a 6 hour render and 2 hours of watching my pet on the widescreen only to have the last few minutes evaporate.
The solution (Duh!) change the target media settings to 8.5GB (dual layer) disc. I haven't tried it, but I expect the project will render and I can "Shrink" it as I had intended. VS11 can import just about any format (avi, mov, mpg, MP3, wav, AC3, etc) and does a much cleaner job of converting than other apps I've tried (such as Super)

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Click the button next to Scene Changes/Chapters and you should be able to select the Chapter Information file you got from the dvd
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Well no wonder I couldn't find it!!... how the heck are you supposed to see it when it's right there in the open like that?!?
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Thanks Y'all... I really appreciate your time... and your patience.  :)
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Ok what the funk is up with the Casino Royale dvd??? I've successfully made about 15 rifftrax dvds following the guide with no more than a hiccup of a problem.

Enter 007. I cannot even rip the dang dvd. I've tried Decrypter and Rejig and neither seem to work... :angry: Pretty frusterating. Anybody have this problem or a way to fix it?

"Failed to parse IFO!" ????????

Help please

I've tried 2 copies of the dvd and neither work.


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Casino Royale has a very strong copy protection that DVD Decrypter can't crack

Here is what might help you:
http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,3247.0.html

This thread pretty much sums up every tactic to reauthoring CR.


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Thank you.  :highfive: I will try that. Are there any more that do this that I should worry about?


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There are a couple others. Just search the tech support boards. They'll have threads dedicated to them.


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I would tweak the settings a little more next time, but each release seems to require minor tweaks in the amplitude of the Rifftrax audio.  You can select certain sections of the tracks and lower or raise the amplitude.  Most of the time I sync up the two tracks, auto-duck them, and then lower the amplitude of the Rifftrax track so that it is closer to the amplitude of the movie track so that the Rifftrax isn't insanely louder than the movie audio.

SASD's guide has been invaluable for getting my riffs ready to be compiled into AVI files. However, I've got a different goal than reburning them to DVD's - I want a reasonably consistent audio level between the movie and the riff so I can set the levels and then let them run while I go to sleep or wander around the house or whatever. To that end, I've found that there are a couple things that are handy to look into:

-- Audio ducking so that the Rifftrax voices will always be audible over the movie soundtrack.
-- Changing the dynamics of the movie and riff so that you flatten it out into a fairly narrow range of sound.
-- Normalizing the audio to a particular level.
 
Folks seem to be happy with the GoldWave plugin and there appears to be a walkthrough for Audacity. I wrote one for Reaper, another audio tool, but I"m not happy with how I wrote it. I didn't document the steps very well since I am just using large chunks of the user manual they provide to do the ducking in the first place. However, I love how well it all works together for letting me do the dynamics expansion (and compression) to make the audio tracks into one homogenized mess of sound.

This is totally counter to notions of good audio design and would make the movie sound editor cry if they heard the result. But it works great for what I want -- a rifftrax that isn't going to blow my speakers out or wake up my housemates when they start firing hand grenades all over the place.

I'm thinking of rewriting the guide so that folks have this as a way to end up with an AVI file as their final result rather than a DVD. Thanks again for SuperDragon's excellent guide, it's made this process really easy. I'm so happy that tools exist now to make the other part of the process -- mixing the audio -- a simple procedure as well.


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The audio of my reauthored copy of Batman & Robin is ahead of the video