We talked a bit about overrated movies in the "Grease" thread, and I thought it would make an interesting thread on its own (if there hasn't already been one -- I did a quick search and couldn't find one). I've thought of three so far.
"Grease." As previously mentioned. Like someone's nightmare vision of the '50s.
"The Wizard of Oz." And that's coming from a big Judy Garland fan. I love many of her movies. But this one is just so over-the-top I can never get into it, classic status notwithstanding.
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" My family and I rented it back when it was hugely popular. We couldn't even get through one viewing. It made "Wizard of Oz" look normal.
There was another one I was thinking of, but it's slipped my memory. I'll post it if I remember it. Any other suggestions?
By the way, I discovered that coming up with a list of overrated movies is a very useful exercise for overcoming insomnia. :) You're welcome to try this, free of charge.
Donnie Darko and Lost in Translation
I don't think "Lost in Translation" should be in the thread. There has actually been a lot of negative vibe about this movie out there as well.
Forrest Gump
Titanic
Using IMDB's list, I've labeled some movies I think are overrated
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
Overrated IMDB movies:
The Shawshank Redemption - good movie, just not Great
2001 - fell asleep both times I tried to watch it
Citizen Kane - meh, never liked it
The Silence of the Lambs - nothing special
Apocalypse Now - wtf
China Town - get that fast forward button ready
Monty Python and the Holy Grail - sorry, just not funny to me
Requiem for a Dream - good, just not great
Blade Runner - 'okay' movie
Batman Begins - 'okay' movie... nothing special
cinema Paradiso - good, not great
Ran - <insert expletive>
The Green Mile - two Stephen King movies... I AM a fan, believe it or not
Children of Men - average movie
Little Miss Sunshine - sucked
Patton - below average
The Exorcist - good, not great
Casino Royale (2006) - nothing special
also overrated:
300 - 'okay' movie
Serenity - mind numbingly stupid ... sorry, just is
Definitely agree with you on Children of Men, Minnesota. REALLY don't see what the hype was all about with that one. Can't say I see eye to eye with you on Blade Runner though - that is one of the movies that turned me on to Sci Fi movies as a kid... loved it, still love it.
Some of the most overrated movies for me? Anything with Vin Deisel in it. For reasons I just can't comprehend, a lot of people seem to think this dipstick is talented and makes great movies. :P
Quote from: Minnesota on August 05, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
Using IMDB's list, I've labeled some movies I think are overrated
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
Overrated IMDB movies:
The Shawshank Redemption - good movie, just not Great
2001 - fell asleep both times I tried to watch it
Citizen Kane - meh, never liked it
The Silence of the Lambs - nothing special
Apocalypse Now - wtf
China Town - get that fast forward button ready
Monty Python and the Holy Grail - sorry, just not funny to me
Requiem for a Dream - good, just not great
Blade Runner - 'okay' movie
Batman Begins - 'okay' movie... nothing special
cinema Paradiso - good, not great
Ran - <insert expletive>
The Green Mile - two Stephen King movies... I AM a fan, believe it or not
Children of Men - average movie
Little Miss Sunshine - sucked
Patton - below average
The Exorcist - good, not great
Casino Royale (2006) - nothing special
also overrated:
300 - 'okay' movie
Serenity - mind numbingly stupid ... sorry, just is
I guess this would be off-topic, but what are your three favorite movie?
Kill Bill: Vol. 1- For Critics that seem to loathe and hate the Star Wars prequels they seem to love Tarantino's gibberish.
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Titanic
Borat - Not funny
Theres Something About Mary
Charlie & the Chocolate Factory - Pointless remake adored but Depp fangirls.
Fight Club
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Breatless
8½
Come and See
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
The Little Mermaid
Bowling for Columbine
Scream
These threads always end in arguments.
Quote from: ScottH on August 05, 2007, 08:55:35 PM
These threads always end in arguments.
No they don't, you git.
;)
Quote from: Jason_Voorhees on August 05, 2007, 08:50:32 PM
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Because of this I think we could be the best of friends.
Serenity Although the only ones I know of who rate it highly are Firefly fanboys. Still, it's sooo much fun baiting Browncoats. :D
Rosemary's Baby. Interesting story, badly told.
I'm sure there's more but that's how impressed I was with them, I can't remember right now.
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All of these are incorrect.
I best not stick around this thread, or I'll start killing people after two days.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
I guess this would be off-topic, but what are your three favorite movie?
damn, that's an impossibly tough question... (surprised we don't have a thread for it)
1. The Matrix
2. Dark City
3. Evil Dead
Kill Bill 1 and 2
Fight Club
Batman(1989)
Minority report
The Bourne Identity/Supremacy/Ultimatum
8 Mile
Spiderman 1 and 2
Alien
Aliens
Shrek
The Shawshank Redemption
The Departed
Toy Story 1 and 2
Ratatouille
Sin city
Terminator 1, 2 and 3
Blade runner (WAY OVERRATED)
Grindhouse
Unforgiven
Finding Nemo
The Sixth Sense
Twelve monkeys
American Beauty
Pulp fiction
Reservoir dogs
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
Indiana Jones and the temple of dung
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Aliens
Terminator 2
The Sixth Sense
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Who rates
this highly? Outside of Kate Capshaw since that's when she got her hooks into Speilberg....?
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 05, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
Who rates this highly? Outside of Kate Capshaw since that's when she got her hooks into Speilberg....?
I'm afraid Rotten Tomatoes does... believe it or not... :-",
I disagree with 70-80% of the movies suggested so far.
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
I guess this would be off-topic, but what are your three favorite movie?
damn, that's an impossibly tough question... (surprised we don't have a thread for it)
1. The Matrix
2. Dark City
3. Evil Dead
Minnesota opens up the first round with a furry. A stiff jab to Blade Runner. A quick right hook to Fight Club. And follows with a punishing blow to Ran. But wait? What's this? His guard's down, leaving the Matrix and Evil Dead wide open. Does the opponent have enough let in him to counter? Or has his confidence in his opinions of movies be knocked out by Minnesota's punishing blows. Stick around to find out.
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Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
I guess this would be off-topic, but what are your three favorite movie?
damn, that's an impossibly tough question... (surprised we don't have a thread for it)
1. The Matrix
2. Dark City
3. Evil Dead
Minnesota opens up the first round with a furry. A stiff jab to Blade Runner. A quick right hook to Fight Club. And follows with a punishing blow to Ran. But wait? What's this? His guard's down, leaving the Matrix and Evil Dead wide open. Does the opponent have enough let in him to counter? Or has his confidence in his opinions of movies be knocked out by Minnesota's punishing blows. Stick around to find out.
Is that my cue to argue? I was just interested in what he thought were great movies considering he didn't like a lot of movies I thought were great.
But art is subjective and I don't argue about it.
Hey, I love Fight Club! Despite listing overrated movies that would obviously offend any movie critic, I could careless about my film rep as it were. The Matrix is a favorite of mine as is Evil Dead... Perhaps it would've helped to mentioned I agree with most of IMDB's top 250 (although not necessarily in the current order).
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
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Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 05, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
Who rates this highly? Outside of Kate Capshaw since that's when she got her hooks into Speilberg....?
I'm afraid Rotten Tomatoes does... believe it or not... :-
Proof that Rotten Tomatoes is too easily freeped by people with an agenda.
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
The Rocky Horror Picture Show isn't overrated. Those of us who see it every week will be the first to tell you it's terrible. Indeed, the entire Rocky Horror phenomenon (and, by extension, the entire idea of openly riffing movies) came from people's desire to make fun of it.
Now, you could say the experience of going to see Rocky Horror is overrated (and Kevin Murphy, for one, would agree with you), but that's not the same thing.
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
Yeah, it's part of that Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to like
Temple of Doom. :)
Anything by Hackentino, there isn't a thing he's made that I've been impressed by.
I'm going to agree with those who said "2001" (yaaaawwwn), "Children of Men" (the book was about 10 million percent better than the movie), and "300." I'm almost finished with the RiffTrax for that and I've been feeling deeply sorry for anyone who tried to watch it without benefit of Mike, Kevin, and Bill.
Any Wes Anderson movie, Donnie Darko, Napoleon Dynamite and Little Miss Sunshine.
(or to keep up the level of biting wit perhaps I should have said Wes Yawnderson and Crappie Darko)
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 06:13:55 AM
Any Wes Anderson movie, Donnie Darko, Napoleon Dynamite and Little Miss Sunshine.
(or to keep up the level of biting wit perhaps I should have said Wes Yawnderson and Crappie Darko)
Wes Anderyawn would have been better ;)
Citizen Kane
Eraserhead
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
The agenda of sucking up to Speilberg, maybe? Selling those Indiana Jones DVD sets (instead of everyone waiting until they sell them seperately so they don't have to buy Temple)? To make Capshaw feel better?
Who knows? It just makes other movies doing well on there (
Hairspray, for instance) suspect.
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 05, 2007, 11:34:55 PM
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on August 05, 2007, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on August 05, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
Who rates this highly? Outside of Kate Capshaw since that's when she got her hooks into Speilberg....?
I'm afraid Rotten Tomatoes does... believe it or not... :-
Proof that Rotten Tomatoes is too easily freeped by people with an agenda.
More like people leaping to politicize everything and don't understand how RT works?
Here's the stuff I find to be overrated:
- Napoleon Dynamite
- Brokeback Mountain
- Grease
- Phantom Of The Opera (as filmed in Schumacher-vision)
- V For Vendetta
- Monty Python and the Holy Grail
And can I just say that I'm one of the folks who's probably involved in that liking Temple of Doom agenda? It was one of the movies that I watched excessively when I was growing up, and it has just enough competence in it to give me a nostalgia kick whenever I pop it in. (As opposed to a feeling of dread setting in and the thought of, "Dear God, what was I thinking?" and wondering all sorts of things about my desired quality for movies that I get when I watch other such films, like Batman and Robin.)
Anything with Russell Crowe, pretty much, but A Beautiful Mind in particular. Was I the only one who thought the
ending was complete bullshit? After his schizophrenia causes his child to nearly drown, he just "comes to terms"
with the phantoms of his demented mind and learns to live with them? That's fine if the point of the movie is to
take a light-hearted and comedic approach to insanity like Harvey, but for a movie that is supposed to be a
maudlin drama, that's just pure fail. Boooooooo.
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Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 06:13:55 AM
Any Wes Anderson movie, Donnie Darko, Napoleon Dynamite and Little Miss Sunshine.
(or to keep up the level of biting wit perhaps I should have said Wes Yawnderson and Crappie Darko)
Wes Anderyawn would have been better ;)
I thought Rushmore was a fabulous movie - even got the soundtrack. I'd say hands off this one for posterity.
And while we're at it - "The Incredible Mr. Limpit."
Contact.
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Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 06:13:55 AM
Any Wes Anderson movie, Donnie Darko, Napoleon Dynamite and Little Miss Sunshine.
(or to keep up the level of biting wit perhaps I should have said Wes Yawnderson and Crappie Darko)
Wes Anderyawn would have been better ;)
I thought Rushmore was a fabulous movie - even got the soundtrack. I'd say hands off this one for posterity.
And while we're at it - "The Incredible Mr. Limpit."
No, don't get me wrong I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other on Anderson, I was merely critiquing Scott's parody name and suggesting a more elegant one.
None of these are bad movies by any means... and I enjoyed them all at some level... just didn't think any of them were outstanding. This is my "Grand Canyon" list... everybody is glad they visited the Grand Canyon, as it is a pretty awe-inspiring sight... but you aren't chomping at the bit to go back their every summer...
Sin City
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
300
Hot Fuzz
the last two Pirates of the Carribean movies (altho I don't know if these are all that highly rated to begin with... but whatever)
While I'm at it, I'd also like to add Peter Jackson's King Kong remake to that list. Thanks for adding the three
extra hours of exploring the lost island to the movie, Mr. Jackson. That was clearly the most interesting part of the
original King Kong, not the gigantic ape. Splicing in scenes from the Jurassic Park trilogy probably would
have worked just as well. What a boring, tedious movie. Almost enough to make me hate King Kong altogether.
I receive a really odd message in my private message box, which for some reason I can't reply to, since this thread is the closest to making sense I figured it was part of it. If it isn't then I'm sorry I have no idea what it was about.
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the last two Pirates of the Carribean movies (altho I don't know if these are all that highly rated to begin with... but whatever)
naw just like you said, not really overrated... there's a pretty strong hate for those two movies... thank god :)
Heh. I agree with ScottH, these kinds of threads never go well. But I'll add my thoughts to the subject just the same:
Most of the "classic" Disney movies I find to be pretty boring:
Bambi
Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Dumbo
Snow White & the Seven Dwarves
Fantasia
Robin Hood
The Jungle Book
I much prefer it when they got "sassy" in the late 80s to mid 90s.
Citizen Kane left me feeling cold. It's technically a masterpiece, but I didn't really enjoy it as much appreciate it.
Pirates of the Caribbean was a dull plod, enlivened only by Johnny Depp.
And I never really saw what the fuss was about with the original Star Wars Trilogy...
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 06, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
While I'm at it, I'd also like to add Peter Jackson's King Kong remake to that list. Thanks for adding the three
extra hours of exploring the lost island to the movie, Mr. Jackson. That was clearly the most interesting part of the
original King Kong, not the gigantic ape. Splicing in scenes from the Jurassic Park trilogy probably would
have worked just as well. What a boring, tedious movie. Almost enough to make me hate King Kong altogether.
I don't know, it was the romance that made that movie for me.
Soft Focus Lady and the guy with the nose? Of course not. Between her and the monkey.
Quote from: gbeenie on August 06, 2007, 04:52:40 AM
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
Yeah, it's part of that Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to like Temple of Doom. :)
Proof that dense people even inhabit the Rifftrax forum.
I think it's the conspiracy of people who enjoy watching screeching harpies as lead ladies, goofy opening scenes. and ridiculous ethnic side kicks.
Quote from: Junkyard on August 06, 2007, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 06, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
While I'm at it, I'd also like to add Peter Jackson's King Kong remake to that list. Thanks for adding the three
extra hours of exploring the lost island to the movie, Mr. Jackson. That was clearly the most interesting part of the
original King Kong, not the gigantic ape. Splicing in scenes from the Jurassic Park trilogy probably would
have worked just as well. What a boring, tedious movie. Almost enough to make me hate King Kong altogether.
I don't know, it was the romance that made that movie for me.
Soft Focus Lady and the guy with the nose? Of course not. Between her and the monkey.
By the time we
saw King Kong in his version, several hours had elapsed, and I barely had enough energy left over to care.
That's another thing that bothers me... look at the Tomato rating for King Kong(2005) on Rotten Tomatoes. It is 84%, certified fresh! Now if that isn't a load of cockadookie bullfuck then I don't know what is. It was a very empty and pointless movie that didn't show or tell us anything we didn't already know about the prospect of giant apes jumping around and climbing around in a big city.
"The English Patient." Prestige pictures aren't always good pictures, but they're good if you run out of Ambien. Elaine Benes spoke for legions.
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Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
Yeah, it's part of that Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to like Temple of Doom. :)
Proof that dense people even inhabit the Rifftrax forum.
Well, then. I guess you showed me. (???)
Quote from: gbeenie on August 06, 2007, 12:58:03 PM
Well, then. I guess you showed me. (???)
That wasn't my point and you know it.
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Quote from: gbeenie on August 06, 2007, 12:58:03 PM
Well, then. I guess you showed me. (???)
That wasn't my point and you know it.
I'm not sure I do; maybe we're getting our quotes crossed. If so, I apologize.
Personally I find The Goonies to be a highly overrated childrens movie. I didn't see it until i was like 16 and I still don't see what all the hype is about. That's my opinion.
I didn't like the Goonies either. It wasn't even cheesy, it was just bad.
Hey, everyone, make sure the gun cabinet is locked everytime we talk about films with Principal_Skin-trade from now on. :P
Well, if I am to die from a shotgun blast to the head(or any other part of the anatomy for that matter) then at least it was administered by fellow rifftrax members.
Well, I was more worried about our saftey when we find out you don't like Breakfast at Tiffany's or something.
I, of course, kid
I believe GregMcduck was refering to you shooting us in a fit of rage, not us shooting you. You seem to get homicidally upset when you disagree with others. No worries though, I get the same way when discussing the Denny's menu...
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on August 06, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
I believe GregMcduck was refering to you shooting us in a fit of rage, not us shooting you. You seem to get homicidally upset when you disagree with others. No worries though, I get the same way when discussing the Denny's menu...
Screw you AND your Moons Over My Hammy!
:)
Quote from: YoohooRiffer on August 06, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
I believe GregMcduck was refering to you shooting us in a fit of rage, not us shooting you. You seem to get homicidally upset when you disagree with others. No worries though, I get the same way when discussing the Denny's menu...
Oh please, I would never shoot a person in a fit of rage. I would at least have the decency to arm them first. For example, while I might be carrying a bazooka, I would at least make sure you were armed with a slingshot or a bb gun. That way I could at least claim self-defense.
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Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
the agenda of liking Temple of Doom?
Yeah, it's part of that Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to like Temple of Doom. :)
Proof that dense people even inhabit the Rifftrax forum.
I prefer the term "dim," myself. Multi-purpose names rock. And if liking Temple of Doom makes me an idiot, may I never score high on an IQ test again!
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Quote from: YoohooRiffer on August 06, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
I believe GregMcduck was refering to you shooting us in a fit of rage, not us shooting you. You seem to get homicidally upset when you disagree with others. No worries though, I get the same way when discussing the Denny's menu...
Screw you AND your Moons Over My Hammy!
:)
Anger growing...Pulse rushing...Hands clenching...Fit of rage commencing....
ARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!
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YOOHOORIFFER LOVES HIS MOONS OVER MY HAMMY!
Most of the stuff by Stanley Kubrick, actually, though Dr. Strangelove is on my top ten list of movies.
The first Spider-Man movie. I enjoyed the second one quite a bit, but the first one was so much sound and
fury, signifying nothing. I normally like Willem Dafoe, but his performance did nothing for me in this movie.
His ham-fisted, over-the-top cackling and vein-bulging squints made him seem more silly than scary, like
a Caesar Romero Joker. Even more ridiculous was his costume, which looked more liked a leftover
Power Rangers villain costume than anything out of Spider-Man. All shiny, glinty, silvery, and...not
particularly goblin-like. If I was on a committee and he was trying to get me to back a plan to make our
soldiers wear this ridiculous-looking piece of crap with a flying surfboard, I would have booted his ass too.
Also weak was the replacement of Gwen Stacey with M.J., which of course meant that she survives what was
supposed to be her death scene, and so what was supposed to be one of the more memorable moments in
comic history is instead a few seconds of tension that is quickly dissipated.
All in all, this was a very weak comic-book movie and only barely better than Daredevil or Hulk, if at all.
No MST3K fan could really look at the movie Green Goblin and take him seriously. Why?
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Who knows?
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 06, 2007, 04:08:24 PM
I enjoyed the second one quite a bit, but the first one was so much sound and
fury, signifying nothing.
Did you just quote Macbeth in the beginning of your assessment of Spider-Man? That's pretty awesome, man.
(I'd make a more... useful post in response to this, since I kind of adored this movie, but it's been a while since I've seen it, so I wouldn't be all that good a debater. And I kind of agree with you on some of your points.)
The whole Spider Man trilogy left me feeling kinda cold. The action was fine, but the personal development/relationships/jobs/DANCING IN THE FRIKKIN BAR stuff was much too.... much.
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on August 06, 2007, 12:32:57 PM
That's another thing that bothers me... look at the Tomato rating for King Kong(2005) on Rotten Tomatoes. It is 84%, certified fresh! Now if that isn't a load of cockadookie bullfuck then I don't know what is. It was a very empty and pointless movie that didn't show or tell us anything we didn't already know about the prospect of giant apes jumping around and climbing around in a big city.
YEAH! who the hell are they to have an opinion and vote for a movie accordingly?! Commie Bastards!
The Lion King was overrated, IMO. Sure, the animation was nice, but the songs were annoying and I literally wrote the movie as I watched it. No surprises. And I've got a grudge against it for being present in nearly every facet of media for a good 6 months. I should not have had to live with "Circle of Life" rambling around in my skull that entire time for hearing it every five minutes on the radio.
I also think Forest Gump was quite overrated. Yes, it's entertaining and sweet, but I fail to see why most people consider this film to be one of the great masterpieces of the last 20 years in filmmaking.
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No MST3K fan could really look at the movie Green Goblin and take him seriously. Why?
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Hah, I had totally missed that, now I will never be able to forget it!
Fellowship of the Ring
Godfather
Those spring to mind. They were just awful movies that everyone in the world swears up and down are indisputable cinematic masterpieces.
Quote from: Thrifty on August 06, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
Fellowship of the Ring
Godfather
Those spring to mind. They were just awful movies that everyone in the world swears up and down are indisputable cinematic masterpieces.
LOL - two of my favorite trilogies..... ;)
Anyway, I think that
Titanic is the most overrated movie ever made.
Quote from: Thrifty on August 06, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
Fellowship of the Ring
Godfather
Those spring to mind. They were just awful movies that everyone in the world swears up and down are indisputable cinematic masterpieces.
Love it or hate it, Fellowship was a fairly faithful adaptation of the novel, except that it deleted the Tom Bombadil/Goldberry scene, which was really chipper and kiddy and contributed nothing to the novel anyway. Oh, and except for the jedi force-push duel that Gandalf and Saruman had. Other than
those things, it was a fairly straightforward adaptation. Sure, it was "a movie about walking", but if you pick up LotR and read it, what do you find?
People walking! Wow, what a novel idea. So yeah, overrated movie for sure, but if you were a literate person who read the novels instead of
seeing the movie with no expectations whatsoever, you wouldn't be blindsided by how much you disliked it.
Quote from: Junkyard on August 06, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
No MST3K fan could really look at the movie Green Goblin and take him seriously. Why?
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Who knows?
I knew there was a logical reason I hated Willem Dafoe's half-bug, half-robot costume. He looks more like Iron Man's gay
Japanese rival than an insane goblin guy to me.
most overrated current movie is 300. the knuckle heads i work with are saying its CLEARLY the greatest movie ever made. damned meat heads.
What about Rambo? They like Rambo right?
Now that I'm well past my "quasi liberal college student" phase, I think I can safely say that Kevin Smith's movies just don't stand the test of time. I mean, when he's funny, he's hilarious, but when he's not funny, it's just painful to watch.
Clerks the animated series is still fantastic stuff, though.
This probably wasn't worth the two minutes of time it took me to take, but:
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Jet Goblin!
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 04:31:30 PM
YEAH! who the hell are they to have an opinion and vote for a movie accordingly?! Commie Bastards!
YEah dude! You're so right! Damn me for having an opinion too! Just damn me right to hell dammit!
Now now, everyone. We all know MY opinions are the right ones!
And my opinions say the Star Wars Prequels are the most UNDERrated movies ever, the entire Indiana Jones Trilogy rocked, and Roger Rabbit was the greatest movie ever. :^)
Quote from: Principal_Skin-trade on August 06, 2007, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: ScottH on August 06, 2007, 04:31:30 PM
YEAH! who the hell are they to have an opinion and vote for a movie accordingly?! Commie Bastards!
YEah dude! You're so right! Damn me for having an opinion too! Just damn me right to hell dammit!
'They' are a percentage however.
All this thread and indeed most of the Riffboards comes down to multiple people arguing/agreeing that "The way I/we see something. is not just the correct way but the ONLY way to see it"
Why has this forum become so hateful lately? We are all acting like little kids on a long car trip who won't stop fighting. I say enough. Play nice forum or I'll turn this car right around!
Quote from: Pak-Man on August 07, 2007, 12:14:09 AM
Now now, everyone. We all know MY opinions are the right ones!
And my opinions say the Star Wars Prequels are the most UNDERrated movies ever, the entire Indiana Jones Trilogy rocked, and Roger Rabbit was the greatest movie ever. :^)
Roger Rabbit was indeed awesome, we can at least agree on that.
"Nose?! That don't rhyme with walls...."
I so want to say that the Nic Cage version of Wicker Man is the most underrated movie that I've ever seen, but I've been trained to look at it as a comedy instead of as a crappy horror movie, and I think this topic is more for appreciating the movie on its own merits instead of appreciating the movie for how stupid it can really be. So my vote doesn't count. Like, at all.
Quote from: Dim of the Yard on August 07, 2007, 06:59:49 AM
I so want to say that the Nic Cage version of Wicker Man is the most underrated movie that I've ever seen, but I've been trained to look at it as a comedy instead of as a crappy horror movie,
That's kind of how I look at Congo. If you look at it as a thriller based on a popular novel, then yeah, it's terrible. But if you look at it as an action comedy with loose ties to a similarly-named novel, it's great!
Quote from: daltysmilth on August 07, 2007, 08:02:08 AM
Quote from: Dim of the Yard on August 07, 2007, 06:59:49 AM
I so want to say that the Nic Cage version of Wicker Man is the most underrated movie that I've ever seen, but I've been trained to look at it as a comedy instead of as a crappy horror movie,
That's kind of how I look at Congo. If you look at it as a thriller based on a popular novel, then yeah, it's terrible. But if you look at it as an action comedy with loose ties to a similarly-named novel, it's great!
I feel the same about
Con Air it's a comedy right?
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a rarely mentioned, but VERY overrated movie. Yes, I enjoyed it, but I think
it's doing the movie a disservice to treat it as tearful, maudlin, acadamy-darling oscar-winning gold. It was cheeseballing
at its finest! The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him), not to mention how quick the audience is to identify a lying, cheating rapist,
pedophile and woman-beater as our hero simply because he takes mental patients along with him on a wild ride of hedonism and
self-indulgent behavior.
This film is a very transparent rebels-vs.-authority movie, and not even a good or serious one like Coolhand Luke. It pretty much
reduces a lot of deep and complex questions about the mentally disturbed to "crazies are our friends and they shouldn't be caged up;
they should be allowed to spread their wings and SOAR!" ....and then freak out when something triggers a panic attack and accidentally
kill six or seven people.
In conclusion, this movie fails to be a serious rebels-vs.-authority-figures movie like Coolhand Luke, and it also fails to be a good comedy
about the mentally ill like Harvey, or King of Hearts, although it comes closer to the latter sorts of movie. This is definitely a movie that requires
you to shut off your brain to enjoy, so I guess that's what the Academy did when they showered it with oscars.
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:11:32 AM
The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him)
Wait.
When did that become a stereotype?
Quote from: GregMcduck on August 07, 2007, 08:18:05 AM
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:11:32 AM
The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him)
Wait.
When did that become a stereotype?
Oops, cliché was the word I was looking for, not stereotype. You know, that a convict laying low in a nuthouse can immediately "connect"
with a deeply troubled patient who was beyond the means of the clinic's staff to help. Clichéd in that hallmarky, chipper sort of "aww,
all he needed was someone to reach out to him, to cure him of his debilitating mental condition!"
I take it you never read the book.
The book is what created the cliché.
Quote from: GregMcduck on August 07, 2007, 08:33:57 AM
I take it you never read the book.
The book is what created the cliché.
So it was a good adaptation of a bad novel?
Actually, the novel is way better then the film. I'm just saying it created the cliché, and is thus not a cliché.
Quote from: GregMcduck on August 07, 2007, 08:37:28 AM
Actually, the novel is way better then the film. I'm just saying it created the cliché, and is thus not a cliché.
In that case I'll have to read the novel sometime, because the film was definitely a bit over-the-top and was so maudlin as to
actually be farsical.
I've read the book, and I'd say it exaggerates some of what you're saying about the movie, but treats other parts with quite a bit of subtlety.
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:11:32 AM
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a rarely mentioned, but VERY overrated movie. Yes, I enjoyed it, but I think
it's doing the movie a disservice to treat it as tearful, maudlin, acadamy-darling oscar-winning gold. It was cheeseballing
at its finest! The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him), not to mention how quick the audience is to identify a lying, cheating rapist,
pedophile and woman-beater as our hero simply because he takes mental patients along with him on a wild ride of hedonism and
self-indulgent behavior.
This film is a very transparent rebels-vs.-authority movie, and not even a good or serious one like Coolhand Luke. It pretty much
reduces a lot of deep and complex questions about the mentally disturbed to "crazies are our friends and they shouldn't be caged up;
they should be allowed to spread their wings and SOAR!" ....and then freak out when something triggers a panic attack and accidentally
kill six or seven people.
In conclusion, this movie fails to be a serious rebels-vs.-authority-figures movie like Coolhand Luke, and it also fails to be a good comedy
about the mentally ill like Harvey, or King of Hearts, although it comes closer to the latter sorts of movie. This is definitely a movie that requires
you to shut off your brain to enjoy, so I guess that's what the Academy did when they showered it with oscars.
Odd. Take out the references to mental patients and replace "Oscar-winning gold" to "Oscar-nomination bait," then you've basically got A Clockwork Orange. Main character who is less than agreeable whom we are given the task of sympathizing with, rebels-vs.-authority, shutting the brain off to enjoy... it's stylistic and pretty to look at, and I enjoy the performances, but personally, I don't really see it as a movie that bears multiple viewings, and it's something I don't really think deserves the excessive amounts of praise that it's received.
The main problem that I have with the movie is that Kubrick used the American release of the novel to base the movie around, and that release took out the final chapter of the book. The final chapter was dedicated to Alex's life after the Ludovico treatment and shows that he's grown past that part of his life, anyway, solidifying the idea that Ludovico was unnecessary in the long run. Without that little tidbit, the entire meaning of the story, as the movie had revealed, is completely different. The Ludovico treatment and the eventual cure for it seemed more like an inconvenient derailment from his basic, rotten attitude.
I hope this doesn't come across as "I hated this movie because it wasn't like the book in the end." That's only a fraction of my argument, and is just a foolish thing to state upfront, anyway. The movie was simply, "I'm a bad person; being forced to be a good person really sucks; I'm cured of being a good person, I think I'll be a bad person again." Not exactly something to be revered. It's this dodgy moral that I dislike the most about the movie and makes me think that it doesn't deserve the heaps of praise that it has received. (Then again, I'm judging the "heaps of praise" thing solely on its rating on IMDb, so I might be horribly mistaken in calling it overrated.)
Quote from: Pak-Man on August 07, 2007, 12:14:09 AM
And my opinions say the Star Wars Prequels are the most UNDERrated movies ever, the entire Indiana Jones Trilogy rocked, and Roger Rabbit was the greatest movie ever. :^)
Haahahahaahaha!!!! You're the funniest man ever! For a minute there, I thought you were serious. ;D
Quote from: Dim of the Yard on August 07, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
Odd. Take out the references to mental patients and replace "Oscar-winning gold" to "Oscar-nomination bait," then you've basically got A Clockwork Orange. Main character who is less than agreeable whom we are given the task of sympathizing with, rebels-vs.-authority, shutting the brain off to enjoy... it's stylistic and pretty to look at, and I enjoy the performances, but personally, I don't really see it as a movie that bears multiple viewings, and it's something I don't really think deserves the excessive amounts of praise that it's received.
The main problem that I have with the movie is that Kubrick used the American release of the novel to base the movie around, and that release took out the final chapter of the book. The final chapter was dedicated to Alex's life after the Ludovico treatment and shows that he's grown past that part of his life, anyway, solidifying the idea that Ludovico was unnecessary in the long run. Without that little tidbit, the entire meaning of the story, as the movie had revealed, is completely different. The Ludovico treatment and the eventual cure for it seemed more like an inconvenient derailment from his basic, rotten attitude.
I hope this doesn't come across as "I hated this movie because it wasn't like the book in the end." That's only a fraction of my argument, and is just a foolish thing to state upfront, anyway. The movie was simply, "I'm a bad person; being forced to be a good person really sucks; I'm cured of being a good person, I think I'll be a bad person again." Not exactly something to be revered. It's this dodgy moral that I dislike the most about the movie and makes me think that it doesn't deserve the heaps of praise that it has received. (Then again, I'm judging the "heaps of praise" thing solely on its rating on IMDb, so I might be horribly mistaken in calling it overrated.)
It's true that the book says something different than the movie. What I got from the movie is that trying to control the way people act with physical pain, or any sort of method that does not include changing the mind, makes that person just a shell, and they lose their humanity. If they do not have the freedom to chose then they can not really be considered good or bad.
The book caries that point as well, I believe. But where the book says Alex eventually grows out of it, the movie does not leave that impression, which to me is something much more interesting. It says that people as twisted as Alex will stay twisted, which resembles our world more realistically, in my opinion. The movie doesn't let you classify the treatment as pure evil, because it makes you continue to wonder if getting rid of it was the best idea. Yes, it takes away his humanity, but is it worth it for the greater good? I guess that might just be my preference for open ended films.
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 06, 2007, 06:37:28 PM
Quote from: Thrifty on August 06, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
Fellowship of the Ring
Godfather
Those spring to mind. They were just awful movies that everyone in the world swears up and down are indisputable cinematic masterpieces.
Love it or hate it, Fellowship was a fairly faithful adaptation of the novel, except that it deleted the Tom Bombadil/Goldberry scene, which was really chipper and kiddy and contributed nothing to the novel anyway. Oh, and except for the jedi force-push duel that Gandalf and Saruman had. Other than
those things, it was a fairly straightforward adaptation. Sure, it was "a movie about walking", but if you pick up LotR and read it, what do you find?
People walking! Wow, what a novel idea. So yeah, overrated movie for sure, but if you were a literate person who read the novels instead of
seeing the movie with no expectations whatsoever, you wouldn't be blindsided by how much you disliked it.
Yep, I went through the same hostility back when the movie came out. This movie is, apparently, so wonderful that you are factually wrong in not liking it. The statements "The Earth is flat" and "I never liked Fellowship of the Ring" are equivalent it seems.
Quote from: ThriftyPeople have different tastes in movies. Isn't it conceivable that people enjoy a movie or don't revile it as much as you do?
Didn't you recently post this on another thread? Or was I reading it wrong?
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:32:26 AM
Quote from: GregMcduck on August 07, 2007, 08:18:05 AM
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:11:32 AM
The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him)
Wait.
When did that become a stereotype?
Oops, cliché was the word I was looking for, not stereotype. You know, that a convict laying low in a nuthouse can immediately "connect"
with a deeply troubled patient who was beyond the means of the clinic's staff to help. Clichéd in that hallmarky, chipper sort of "aww,
all he needed was someone to reach out to him, to cure him of his debilitating mental condition!"
I enjoy that movie very much, and the book as well. I really don't see it as overrated only because of the the scores of bad movies I've watched lately. When you come across a movie that is actually good, it puts things in perspective. I don't like movies that scream 70's - meaning movies that use very topical 70s music that the film becomes dated instantly, but I don't feel
One Flew Over... does that.
La Strada and La Dolce Vita I've never really "gotten" Fellini, and the movies I've seen of his have left me cold, though admittedly he's the European "auteur" I'm least familiar with.
Quote from: mrbasehart on August 08, 2007, 04:15:28 AM
La Strada and La Dolce Vita I've never really "gotten" Fellini, and the movies I've seen of his have left me cold, though admittedly he's the European "auteur" I'm least familiar with.
Me, too - only his shorts make sense to me. Well, his short films, not his underoos.
He has very wonderful moments in movies, scenes you can tell he drew or dreamt and wanted to film, but his movies can be depressing and usually have bizarre 'lady issues'.
Terry Gilliam is one of those whose films are made up of a lot of good scenes, but more often than not, the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. I mean, I really like parts of Time Bandits, especially David Warner's character, but the whole film suffers from pacing problems.
I feel I have to add Army of Darkness to this list, because more than any other movie I can think of, geeks treat it with the same quiet awe and reverence that Jews attribute to Schindler's List. I've never heard a single bad thing said about this movie, ever. And I'm not saying it's bad,
but I definitely prefer Evil Dead I and II over it. I think it fits the description of "overrated" because it's a decent movie but it gets treated as some sacred
holy artifact that's completely perfect in every way by fanboys who have a deep-seated homosexual attraction to Bruce Campbell and probably watched
Xena just because he was in it. Thoughts, comments?
Quote from: Dim of the Yard on August 07, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 07, 2007, 08:11:32 AM
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a rarely mentioned, but VERY overrated movie. Yes, I enjoyed it, but I think
it's doing the movie a disservice to treat it as tearful, maudlin, acadamy-darling oscar-winning gold. It was cheeseballing
at its finest! The over-the-top stereotype mental cases (like the sensitive, quiet giant indian guy who immediately recovers
from his catatonia after Jack Nicholson talks to him), not to mention how quick the audience is to identify a lying, cheating rapist,
pedophile and woman-beater as our hero simply because he takes mental patients along with him on a wild ride of hedonism and
self-indulgent behavior.
This film is a very transparent rebels-vs.-authority movie, and not even a good or serious one like Coolhand Luke. It pretty much
reduces a lot of deep and complex questions about the mentally disturbed to "crazies are our friends and they shouldn't be caged up;
they should be allowed to spread their wings and SOAR!" ....and then freak out when something triggers a panic attack and accidentally
kill six or seven people.
In conclusion, this movie fails to be a serious rebels-vs.-authority-figures movie like Coolhand Luke, and it also fails to be a good comedy
about the mentally ill like Harvey, or King of Hearts, although it comes closer to the latter sorts of movie. This is definitely a movie that requires
you to shut off your brain to enjoy, so I guess that's what the Academy did when they showered it with oscars.
Odd. Take out the references to mental patients and replace "Oscar-winning gold" to "Oscar-nomination bait," then you've basically got A Clockwork Orange. Main character who is less than agreeable whom we are given the task of sympathizing with, rebels-vs.-authority, shutting the brain off to enjoy... it's stylistic and pretty to look at, and I enjoy the performances, but personally, I don't really see it as a movie that bears multiple viewings, and it's something I don't really think deserves the excessive amounts of praise that it's received.
The main problem that I have with the movie is that Kubrick used the American release of the novel to base the movie around, and that release took out the final chapter of the book. The final chapter was dedicated to Alex's life after the Ludovico treatment and shows that he's grown past that part of his life, anyway, solidifying the idea that Ludovico was unnecessary in the long run. Without that little tidbit, the entire meaning of the story, as the movie had revealed, is completely different. The Ludovico treatment and the eventual cure for it seemed more like an inconvenient derailment from his basic, rotten attitude.
I hope this doesn't come across as "I hated this movie because it wasn't like the book in the end." That's only a fraction of my argument, and is just a foolish thing to state upfront, anyway. The movie was simply, "I'm a bad person; being forced to be a good person really sucks; I'm cured of being a good person, I think I'll be a bad person again." Not exactly something to be revered. It's this dodgy moral that I dislike the most about the movie and makes me think that it doesn't deserve the heaps of praise that it has received. (Then again, I'm judging the "heaps of praise" thing solely on its rating on IMDb, so I might be horribly mistaken in calling it overrated.)
See, that's the same kind of problem I had with
Children of Men. It wasn't just that the book was better, or even that the characters were changed in major ways, but that the themes of the film were COMPLETELY changed. I've never seen a movie take such a 180-degree turn from its source material.
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Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 08, 2007, 11:35:57 AM
I think it fits the description of "overrated" because it's a decent movie but it gets treated as some sacred
holy artifact that's completely perfect in every way by fanboys who have a deep-seated homosexual attraction to Bruce Campbell and probably watched
Xena just because he was in it. Thoughts, comments?
Bruce Campbell was in Xena? (runs off to download the entire series)
Quote from: ObscureGamer on August 08, 2007, 11:35:57 AM
I feel I have to add Army of Darkness to this list, because more than any other movie I can think of, geeks treat it with the same quiet awe and reverence that Jews attribute to Schindler's List. I've never heard a single bad thing said about this movie, ever. And I'm not saying it's bad,
but I definitely prefer Evil Dead I and II over it. I think it fits the description of "overrated" because it's a decent movie but it gets treated as some sacred
holy artifact that's completely perfect in every way by fanboys who have a deep-seated homosexual attraction to Bruce Campbell and probably watched
Xena just because he was in it. Thoughts, comments?
For its hardcore following, I would venture to guess it has more to do with Ash's one-liners than anything. Well, and the fact that Ash is a badass. I think the overall fondness for Bruce Campbell mostly stems from the fact that he, as an actor, has never taken himself too seriously. It's refreshing to see a personality like that in the world of actors/actresses. Even the B-movie ones.
Army of Darkness doesn't even try to be a good movie, though. It just tries to entertain. It's a high budget B-movie and I think the director was really going for that, so I suppose in that respect, it IS a perfect movie. Just not perfect compared to most other "perfect" movies (frankly, I don't think there is such a thing). I'm with you in terms of folks thinking it's the best thing since sliced bread, but I tend to think it probably is one of the best high-budget B-movies ever made.
Army of Darkness is a bad movie with a LOT of Charisma. Everyone KNOWS it's a bad movie, but it wins us over anyway. :^)
The fact that AoD didn't even TRY not to be bad is what makes it so damn funny. There's a certain comedic entertainment value in understanding that the writers, actors, director, and producers all understood that they were making a giant, flashy piece of crap... like sticking glitter on a pinecone. :)
I don't know how Army Of Darkness was overrated, all I know is it kicks ass.
Schindler's List.
So long and depressing, and in black and white. How much more do I need to know about the Holocaust?
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 09:33:20 AM
Schindler's List.
So long and depressing, and in black and white. How much more do I need to know about the Holocaust?
Well, the Holocaust was long and depressing, so I suppose the movie fit the bill.
Since one of my family members was a Schindler Jew, I found the film fascinating. It's an important chapter in the long running and ongoing tale of Anti-Semitism and, despite a few questionable changes here and there, is factual enough to have been shown in classrooms. It's definatly not a feel-good movie so I don't blame anyone from either not liking it or avoiding it. I will defend its reputation, however. Maybe I'm little biased (okay, maybe a lot biased), but I consider it well-deserved of all its awards and what not.
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 09:33:20 AM
Schindler's List.
So long and depressing, and in black and white. How much more do I need to know about the Holocaust?
How much
do you know about the Holocaust? Maybe you didn't mean to sound callous about 11 million people being systematically killed, but sheesh.
Quote from: the long undertow on August 09, 2007, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 09:33:20 AM
Schindler's List.
So long and depressing, and in black and white. How much more do I need to know about the Holocaust?
How much do you know about the Holocaust? Maybe you didn't mean to sound callous about 11 million people being systematically killed, but sheesh.
How much do you know about the Holocaust? Notice that I did capitalize the 'H' in Holocaust. Isn't that enough respect?
Quote from: the long undertow on August 09, 2007, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 09:33:20 AM
Schindler's List.
So long and depressing, and in black and white. How much more do I need to know about the Holocaust?
How much do you know about the Holocaust? Maybe you didn't mean to sound callous about 11 million people being systematically killed, but sheesh.
I know it's more than 11 Million, for example.
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
And with that I agree, though I've said this a number of times about the passion. It utterly misses the point and it actually exaggerates parts of Christs passion while not accurately depicting what it is that makes crucifixion the horrendous death it was.
It does however reflect the rather interesting internal life of a sexually frustrated German nun however.
well since people are admitting to "avoiding" Schindler's List I'll admit two movies I'm avoiding as well...
Crash... looks terrible, I'm tempted to see it, but not overtly
Passion of the Christ... the whole torture porn aspect doesn't do it for me ;)
^^^ anyone want to recommend these, otherwise I'm content to avoiding them
Quote from: Minnesota on August 09, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
well since people are admitting to "avoiding" Schindler's List I'll admit two movies I'm avoiding as well...
Crash... looks terrible, I'm tempted to see it, but not overtly
Passion of the Christ... the whole torture porn aspect doesn't do it for me ;)
^^^ anyone want to recommend these, otherwise I'm content to avoiding them
Both movies called
Crash suck. The first is based on a book that also sucks.
I've actually seen the NC-17 Crash, thought it was okay, although I generally hate Spader. The one that I'm avoiding is the Sandra Bullock Crash
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
I think the two go hand in hand. Gibson shows us how much Jesus had to go through to sacrifice himself for us. If we just saw some light S&M whipping, then it's far less effective. :)
Quote from: mrbasehart on August 10, 2007, 05:38:40 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
I think the two go hand in hand. Gibson shows us how much Jesus had to go through to sacrifice himself for us. If we just saw some light S&M whipping, then it's far less effective. :)
But the fact is he didn't go through that level and the actual horrors of crucifixion aren't really shown. Instead we have the SM fantasies of an crazy German nun in their place. Go read
The Dolorous Passion of the Christ it give de Sade a run for his money.
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on August 10, 2007, 05:41:27 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on August 10, 2007, 05:38:40 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
I think the two go hand in hand. Gibson shows us how much Jesus had to go through to sacrifice himself for us. If we just saw some light S&M whipping, then it's far less effective. :)
But the fact is he didn't go through that level and the actual horrors of crucifixion aren't really shown. Instead we have the SM fantasies of an crazy German nun in their place. Go read The Dolorous Passion of the Christ it give de Sade a run for his money.
It may prove problematic for people who claim that the movie is as faithful as the Bible, but whether Jesus went through that, for me, is besides the point. I'm just speaking as to why that scene is so brutal, in that it carries the "message" of the movie more effectively. Purely from a movie stand point, rather than a religious one.
Quote from: mrbasehart on August 10, 2007, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: TripeHoundRedux on August 10, 2007, 05:41:27 AM
Quote from: mrbasehart on August 10, 2007, 05:38:40 AM
Quote from: bettertomorrowamy on August 09, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
I think the two go hand in hand. Gibson shows us how much Jesus had to go through to sacrifice himself for us. If we just saw some light S&M whipping, then it's far less effective. :)
But the fact is he didn't go through that level and the actual horrors of crucifixion aren't really shown. Instead we have the SM fantasies of an crazy German nun in their place. Go read The Dolorous Passion of the Christ it give de Sade a run for his money.
It may prove problematic for people who claim that the movie is as faithful as the Bible, but whether Jesus went through that, for me, is besides the point. I'm just speaking as to why that scene is so brutal, in that it carries the "message" of the movie more effectively. Purely from a movie stand point, rather than a religious one.
But I'm not talking biblically even, I speaking hstorically. We know what happened with somebody due to be crucified. And the message it carries is "Jesus had solid brass balls , look at the pain he went through"
He should be shown experiencing the same fate as those either side of him since that is what the message is supposed to be.
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I feel the same way about Passion of the Christ as Schindler's List. Do I really need to know how much Jesus suffered during his crucifixion?
Isn't the real point why he suffered? Overrated!
I think the two go hand in hand. Gibson shows us how much Jesus had to go through to sacrifice himself for us. If we just saw some light S&M whipping, then it's far less effective. :)
But the fact is he didn't go through that level and the actual horrors of crucifixion aren't really shown. Instead we have the SM fantasies of an crazy German nun in their place. Go read The Dolorous Passion of the Christ it give de Sade a run for his money.
It may prove problematic for people who claim that the movie is as faithful as the Bible, but whether Jesus went through that, for me, is besides the point. I'm just speaking as to why that scene is so brutal, in that it carries the "message" of the movie more effectively. Purely from a movie stand point, rather than a religious one.
But I'm not talking biblically even, I speaking hstorically. We know what happened with somebody due to be crucified. And the message it carries is "Jesus had solid brass balls , look at the pain he went through"
He should be shown experiencing the same fate as those either side of him since that is what the message is supposed to be.
See, I still don't agree. Historical fact or biblical truth seem irrelevant for this movie. When I saw the movie, I felt I was watching something akin to Christian propaganda, rather than an attempt at accuracy. When the message of the movie is "Jesus went through a shit-load of bother to save your souls", then things like truth are not the primary focus. I don't know why I'm even debating the point, it's not like I even liked the movie :)
Besides, I think we all know how crucifiction
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ahh British "humor"
*shrugs shoulders* ... not trying to offend anyone... just not for me, cant stand men doing the whole female voice thing, hurts my ears
You're dissing Monty Python?
[drawl] Get a rope.
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You're dissing Monty Python?
[drawl] Get a rope.
Rope, schmope. It'll be the comfy chair for this loon. (shakes fist)
*Gasp!* The Comfy Chair?!!
While they're all saying "Comfy Chair"...
For some reason, I am reminded of the people who hate Lord of the Rings (the books) simply because so many people of a certain type (nerds) like them. So some nerds started thinking they could be better than other nerds by hating things simply because other people didn't. Taking potshots at Python just because they wear dresses and use fake woman-y voices? That's a little one dimensional... crossdressing in British comedy is no different than fart jokes in American comedy - it's just a sort of low-level background humour that fills in the spaces between the actual comedy. But then again, I suppose "disdain" is the new "like"... sort of how hot is cool, and bad is good. ;)
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For some reason, I am reminded of the people who hate Lord of the Rings (the books) simply because so many people of a certain type (nerds) like them. So some nerds started thinking they could be better than other nerds by hating things simply because other people didn't. Taking potshots at Python just because they wear dresses and use fake woman-y voices? That's a little one dimensional... crossdressing in British comedy is no different than fart jokes in American comedy - it's just a sort of low-level background humour that fills in the spaces between the actual comedy. But then again, I suppose "disdain" is the new "like"... sort of how hot is cool, and bad is good. ;)
For the record I'm not hating Monty Python 'just to be a rebel' I genuinely don't like that style of humor... for the most part I keep quiet about hating it... I realize I'm in the minority - obviously many people find that brand of humor funny... so again no offense.
As for 'fart jokes' I hate those as well, I'm not trying give off a 'holier than thou' vibe though... lord knows many of my favorite comedies are considered immature. I hate fart jokes probably more so than men in dresses talking like women, but both are cringe inducing to me.
For example, 300 is the only Rifftrax that has received below a ten (and I've rated them all, except Bourne Identity which is currently on backorder) ... I thought the fart jokes were too excessive. In the words of futurama, "I give you the worst grade imaginable, an A minus minus"
I have to agree with Minnesota, at least regarding what's not funny. Flatulence and Cross Dressing are not as funny as everyone seems to think they are.
And I do understand how someone can not like Monty Python. They have their own way of making jokes that can try people's patience.
In defense of the Pythons, I don't think dressing up as women is what was funny. The fact that it was a man dressed up as a woman was never the punch line. It was the jokes within the sketch or the personality they gave to the woman that made it, to me, humorous. They never stopped at just showing a man in drag expecting to get laughs. They proceeded with the sketch as if everything was normal, unlike some comedies in America that I've seen.
I don't think they did it to try and be funny, but instead because they didn't think many women could be as funny as they were. Unless the sketch required a voluptuous woman, then the role went to the woman with the biggest tits.
How dare you say that Connie Booth and Carol Cleveland weren't there solely for their comedic timing. How dare you sir, how dare you! ;D
i liked the passion of the christ only becuase i think gibson did a good job showing how absolute power corrupts people and they will try anything to keep that power (i am thinking of the jewish priests) although it seemed a little odd that he gave pilate all the sympathy.
i think schindler's list is a great film, but to be honest i was offended and upset that they showed liam neeson having random sex at the begining of the film. spielberg just has this need to put unnecessary sex in all his political films (well schindler and munich).
i also think that army of darkness is a bagillion times better than evil dead. both accompolished what they wanted to, but i really don't like horror films.
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In defense of the Pythons, I don't think dressing up as women is what was funny. The fact that it was a man dressed up as a woman was never the punch line. It was the jokes within the sketch or the personality they gave to the woman that made it, to me, humorous. They never stopped at just showing a man in drag expecting to get laughs. They proceeded with the sketch as if everything was normal, unlike some comedies in America that I've seen.
I don't think they did it to try and be funny, but instead because they didn't think many women could be as funny as they were. Unless the sketch required a voluptuous woman, then the role went to the woman with the biggest tits.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Yes, well, I did say that both the cross dressing and the fart jokes were the sort of low-level background humor which was just used to fill the spaces between the actual jokes. The difference being, of course, that the British comedies actually HAD jokes to put between the dresses... whereas the breed of American comedy that uses fart jokes tends to actually begin and end with the fart jokes, as though they were a form of comedic expression all their own.
I like the way varietyofcells put Python into perspective actually, it's a good way of explaining it.
I'm not bothered about the cross dressing, because it's someone embedded in their culture across the pond (since in olden times, women weren't ALLOWED to act - so having men dressed as women there is a sort of cultural / historical thing, and also possibly Python was poking fun at that a little bit at the same time)... over here in America, the country isn't old enough for us to have really been a part of that culture of no-women-actors, at least not to the extent as Britain.
The fart jokes and their ilk, on the other hand, I really don't care for. It's below low brow as far as I'm concerned. Even in RiffTrax it has an extremely limited shelf life, for me at least.
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In defense of the Pythons, I don't think dressing up as women is what was funny. The fact that it was a man dressed up as a woman was never the punch line. It was the jokes within the sketch or the personality they gave to the woman that made it, to me, humorous. They never stopped at just showing a man in drag expecting to get laughs. They proceeded with the sketch as if everything was normal, unlike some comedies in America that I've seen.
I don't think they did it to try and be funny, but instead because they didn't think many women could be as funny as they were. Unless the sketch required a voluptuous woman, then the role went to the woman with the biggest tits.
Exactly. And actually, they were kind of trying to poke fun at a certain type of woman. If you've ever seen the rare John Cleese one-shot comedy special "How To Irritate People", which preceded Python, and contains sketches and ideas which would later be incorporated into Python, you see the origin of the concept of the Monty Python woman character (or Pepperpots as the Pythons referred to them.) And John even explains the idea behind it. It's interesting.
Oh, and I'm not some die-hard geek of a Monty Python fan who tries to collect every Python-related material I can get my hands on. It's just that one of the video rental places here in town just randomly happens to have the video of it in their collection.
How to irritate people was a masterpiece. The old pepperpot on the game show was my favorite, especially when she blurted out the most ridiculous line of all time "MOTOR TORPEDO BOAT!" in response to the question "what makes the noise 'Meow'?" John Cleese was funny as he is tall.