Okay, which one do we use to reauthor?
The one with time = 1:38:51,
or
The one with time = 1:39:00 ??????
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the shorter one is the Theatrical version. I can only think of a couple instances where the "New, Unrated!" cut is shorter than the regular one.
EDIT: Huh, go figure.
QuoteThe Unrated Version
Before the movie opened, Sam Raimi pointed something out about the rating on Ain't it Cool News, and nothing's changed: the PG-13 version of the film on this DVD runs 1 hour and 39 minutes, and the Unrated version on this DVD runs, well, 1 hour and 39 minutes. To be precise, the PG-13 cut runs 1:39:00, while the Unrated version runs 1:38:51. That's right, the Unrated version is actually nine seconds shorter than the PG-13 cut, the one single difference being an alternate (and, perhaps, less-effective but far more splattery) scene prior to Christine and Clay's dinner with Clay's parents.
Looks like it's the longer one. I meant to rip both, but when you do that it says the video is only 1:04:00, so I deleted them. I ripped one again, and actually played the video along with the dvd, and it seems it actually ripped right but something makes it look wrong. Hopefully I ripped the right one, otherwise it's back to Red Box.
Quote from: spaceforarent on December 01, 2009, 01:12:03 PM
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That's right, the Unrated version is actually nine seconds shorter than the PG-13 cut, the one single difference being an alternate (and, perhaps, less-effective but far more splattery) scene prior to Christine and Clay's dinner with Clay's parents.
Looks like it's the longer one. I meant to rip both, but when you do that it says the video is only 1:04:00, so I deleted them. I ripped one again, and actually played the video along with the dvd, and it seems it actually ripped right but something makes it look wrong. Hopefully I ripped the right one, otherwise it's back to Red Box.
Or maybe find those nine seconds of the rifftrax in Audacity, and remove them. I've only got that version too,so hopefully they don't say much in those nine seconds.
Yeah, I believe our finding too was that the Theatrical version is actually longer. Sounds like in the "unrated" one they just added nine seconds of goo to another scene. Since that cut wasn't rated by the MPAA, they could slap Unrated all over the package to make people think it had more gore/boobies rather than just being some technical thing.
Quote from: Conor on December 01, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
Yeah, I believe our finding too was that the Theatrical version is actually longer. Sounds like in the "unrated" one they just added nine seconds of goo to another scene. Since that cut wasn't rated by the MPAA, they could slap Unrated all over the package to make people think it had more gore/boobies rather than just being some technical thing.
Well technically they removed the 9 seconds of goo, or rather replaced about 30 seconds of goo with some other goo. At least that's what my source tells me (I quoted that earlier post from dvdtalk.com)
Well, its stupid, but at least its on the same disc instead of using the "unrated" version to try and make people buy it twice
Well I seem to be having a bit of an issue when Syncing this release up :(
I converted both the Unrated and Theatrical versions of the movie to an AVI, since I wasn't sure which was which. I figure I would put them both in Audacity with the Rifftrax Audio and use the one that Synced up. But my luck neither are ;D
They Both seem to match up fine until "Who comes begging to me" Sync Line. The Rifftrax Audio Sync Line appears at 21:54 (DVD Time) However the same line in the Unrated appears at 22:28 and Theatrical at 22:31.
Is anyone having the same problems?
Maybe it was a bad encode, I need to try the old fashion way to see if I'm having the same issue.
Yeah, the .mp3 was longer than the movie in my Pinnacle program and I 'spliced and diced' Dis's sync lines around that time frame as well so I did what I could but after the 1 hour 30 minute time of the movie I just gave up and went with what I had.. :-\
Just watched it through with the longer ripped version, and the reauthor worked just fine, even with the 1:04:00 time listing on Media Player Classic. Even if you had the unrated version ripped, though, I'm sure it would probably work with a few adjustments. From the "Alternate version" listing on IMDB, most of the differences are around the time the kitten gets killed (wow, two movies in a row with brutalized cats, is this going to be the new theme? :) ), so you'd just need to pay attention around there, I suppose.
Quote from: Conor on December 01, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
Yeah, I believe our finding too was that the Theatrical version is actually longer. Sounds like in the "unrated" one they just added nine seconds of goo to another scene. Since that cut wasn't rated by the MPAA, they could slap Unrated all over the package to make people think it had more gore/boobies rather than just being some technical thing.
From what I could tell the main differences were:
The scene in the bank where she sprays blood and the cat muder scene. In the Unrated version it cuts to a close up of her stabbing and blood splashing on her
Quote from: RVR II on December 01, 2009, 06:49:04 PM
Yeah, the .mp3 was longer than the movie in my Pinnacle program and I 'spliced and diced' Dis's sync lines around that time frame as well so I did what I could but after the 1 hour 30 minute time of the movie I just gave up and went with what I had.. :-\
EDIT: After further investigation, I had a bad burn of the movie that contributed Greatly to the sync issues so I'm reburning using another brand DVD and will recapture the movie tomorrow and resync the .mp3 and try again :-[
Quote from: jas722 on December 01, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
Well I seem to be having a bit of an issue when Syncing this release up :(
I converted both the Unrated and Theatrical versions of the movie to an AVI, since I wasn't sure which was which. I figure I would put them both in Audacity with the Rifftrax Audio and use the one that Synced up. But my luck neither are ;D
They Both seem to match up fine until "Who comes begging to me" Sync Line. The Rifftrax Audio Sync Line appears at 21:54 (DVD Time) However the same line in the Unrated appears at 22:28 and Theatrical at 22:31.
Is anyone having the same problems?
Maybe it was a bad encode, I need to try the old fashion way to see if I'm having the same issue.
Could be a PAL vs NTSC thing, depending on where you are.
Quote from: poopoopeepee on December 01, 2009, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: jas722 on December 01, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
Well I seem to be having a bit of an issue when Syncing this release up :(
I converted both the Unrated and Theatrical versions of the movie to an AVI, since I wasn't sure which was which. I figure I would put them both in Audacity with the Rifftrax Audio and use the one that Synced up. But my luck neither are ;D
They Both seem to match up fine until "Who comes begging to me" Sync Line. The Rifftrax Audio Sync Line appears at 21:54 (DVD Time) However the same line in the Unrated appears at 22:28 and Theatrical at 22:31.
Is anyone having the same problems?
Maybe it was a bad encode, I need to try the old fashion way to see if I'm having the same issue.
Could be a PAL vs NTSC thing, depending on where you are.
I'm using the NTSC Dvd, not sure what my problem is. The only other problem I ever had was Red Dawn which was caused by a different dvd version. I'll have to look more into this one. I'm wondering if it was a bad encode since the DVD has split branches for the Unrated and Theatrical versions.
Did anyone sync this up the old fashioned way? Problems?
I just finished reauthoring with the slightly longer version, and everything synced perfectly. Lucky I chose the right one. I hate going through all the editing to sync up. I had some minor problems with Star Trek, but this one worked fine using the 1:39:00 version.
Quote from: Prince of Space 5049 on December 02, 2009, 08:09:53 AM
I just finished reauthoring with the slightly longer version, and everything synced perfectly. Lucky I chose the right one. I hate going through all the editing to sync up. I had some minor problems with Star Trek, but this one worked fine using the 1:39:00 version.
I selected the other version and had to 'splice and dice' the trax to make it fit.. :-[
I already sent back the movie to Netflix and with my upcoming trip to Mexico on Monday, I don't have the time to wait for the disc to return and reburn the right version, so I'll go with what I got.. :-\
Well this has me a bit depressed no one else has the same issue. Will see if I can rent the dvd from RedBox and give it another go.
Well I don't understand this at all, I just picked up the DVD from Redbox and trying to sync it up the old fashioned way turns up the same results for me. Perfectly in Sync until "Who comes begging to me" line. Then the Riff is about 30 seconds behind the movie. I tried the Unrated and Theatrical but they are just bout the same length so I have no clue whats going on. I might have to skip this one :-\
Well I found something interesting out, seems this drift i'm seeing only happens when I play it on my computer DVD drive. If I play it on my stand alone player the Rifftrax Syncs up perfectly. Maybe some issue with the branching chapters on the DVD?
I have never seen anything like this.
Quote from: jas722 on December 03, 2009, 09:07:12 PM
Well I found something interesting out, seems this drift i'm seeing only happens when I play it on my computer DVD drive. If I play it on my stand alone player the Rifftrax Syncs up perfectly. Maybe some issue with the branching chapters on the DVD?
I have never seen anything like this.
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i have been reluctant to post this because I have just spliced & diced my way through it before, and didn't want to confuse anyone. I have noticed that there has been a difference between usining DVDFab & AnyDVD. Sometimes AnyDVD will sucessfully rip the movie, but I am missing a few seconds here and there, usually after the switch between layers. It may just be me, as I say, I never posted anything about it before, but now I am wondering........................ ???
I can't figure out how to select the Theatrical version of the film. Everytime I load the DVD in my BLu-ray player, it comes up Unrated Theatrical. I tried the setup and bonus menus and nothing. It is the unrated directors cut of the DVD but says it contains both versions. I'll try it in my computer with the riff player (hope it works)..
Quote from: Rattrap007 on December 30, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
I can't figure out how to select the Theatrical version of the film. Everytime I load the DVD in my BLu-ray player, it comes up Unrated Theatrical. I tried the setup and bonus menus and nothing. It is the unrated directors cut of the DVD but says it contains both versions. I'll try it in my computer with the riff player (hope it works)..
Probably would be easier to just use two different media players, since their player hardly ever works anymore.
well I sat down to watch it in the blu ray to watch it before the riffing, and this time it gave me the option, so I hooked up the ipod to the speakers and laughed at the bad movie..