Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilertastic Thread

[anais.butterfly]

It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.

So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.


I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.

Thanks for the unprovoked  ad hominem.

You're welcome. I hope you take it heart and provide your opinions without telling us if what we should think is "correct."

Also, your attitude has been discussed a lot in this thread, so my statement was neither unprovoked or ad hominem (I don't care about your criticisms, I have a problem with your attitude with the sentence I quoted).

*kisses!

[ScottotD]

Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military?  A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.

Hmmm, it's almost like people are intentionally looking for holes to try and prove their point the movie wouldn't be good as soon as it was announced 

[Imrahil]

It's just not that good, guys. I get that you're all glad it isn't the prequels, but I think time will show that this movie is seriously overrated right now.

So confident and self-righteous, and yet so many people don't care what you think.


I enjoyed your post until this bullshit.

Thanks for the unprovoked  ad hominem.

You're welcome. I hope you take it heart and provide your opinions without telling us if what we should think is "correct."

Also, your attitude has been discussed a lot in this thread, so my statement was neither unprovoked or ad hominem (I don't care about your criticisms, I have a problem with your attitude with the sentence I quoted).

*kisses!

a) You do this kind of shit all the time, but it's not okay when I do?
b) It was unprovoked; where are we discussing me (other than this, right now)?
c) Fuck you

[The Lurker]

Also, the theater I was in didn't have the movie specific glasses.

[Imrahil]

Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military?  A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.

As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.

Are you under the impression that stormtroopers are just the "regular soldiers"? I assumed they were elites like seal teams or something.  I always thought the regular soldiers were just these guys.  So yeah, to me it's weird.  Just another thing in his character which is played for laughs--which would work if he didn't have the background the story is telling us he does, and he was just some "ordinary schmo."

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military?  A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.

As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.

Are you under the impression that stormtroopers are just the "regular soldiers"? I assumed they were elites like seal teams or something.  I always thought the regular soldiers were just these guys.  So yeah, to me it's weird.  Just another thing in his character which is played for laughs--which would work if he didn't have the background the story is telling us he does, and he was just some "ordinary schmo."

I never ever thought of stormtroopers being "elite".  For one thing there are way too many of them, if they were like seal teams there would only be small groups of them, not many thousands.  Also when ever we have seen them on the battlefield they sure act like regular soldiers.  Maybe they are one step above those guys in that link, but when have we seen those guys on screen?

I never read any of the EU books, so my opinion of them is based on what we have seen in the movies or in the novels for the movies.

[Imrahil]

From every description I've read, I think they're supposed to be elite troops.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/stormtroopers

"Stormtroopers are elite shock troops fanatically loyal to the Empire and impossible to sway from the Imperial cause. "

http://www.starwars.com/databank/first-order-stormtroopers
These guys are called "infantry units" rather than elite shock troops, but the rest of the passage implies to me that they're not doing the routine support stuff:

"Where the Empire opted for numbing routine, the First Order's training simulations and live-fire drills encourage improvisation on the battlefield, making these stormtroopers more dangerous than their Imperial predecessors."

Technically this is all vetted by the Story Group, so is supposed to be "real."

[ScottotD]

Don't regular soldiers do all the various tasks in the military?  A soldier doing janitorial duty is not the same as a janitor becoming a soldier.

As for Rey knowing how to deal with the technology on the starkiller, in the novel she recognized that the First Order was using the same technology as all the stuff she had been scavenging from the crashed empire ships.

Are you under the impression that stormtroopers are just the "regular soldiers"? I assumed they were elites like seal teams or something.  I always thought the regular soldiers were just these guys.  So yeah, to me it's weird.  Just another thing in his character which is played for laughs--which would work if he didn't have the background the story is telling us he does, and he was just some "ordinary schmo."

I never ever thought of stormtroopers being "elite".  For one thing there are way too many of them, if they were like seal teams there would only be small groups of them, not many thousands.  Also when ever we have seen them on the battlefield they sure act like regular soldiers.  Maybe they are one step above those guys in that link, but when have we seen those guys on screen?

I never read any of the EU books, so my opinion of them is based on what we have seen in the movies or in the novels for the movies.

Have people convinced themselves he's a plumber or some shit just to pick holes and not guarding sanitation ports or something?  You know, since it's an internal series of tunnels within the structure people could use to escape... 

[SJP]

For all that unswayable loyalty, the Empire lost at least Kyle Katarn, Dash Rendar (aka Sirs No Longer Appearing in this Universe), Crix Madine, and that Davin Felth guy who may or may not be erased.  Sure, they weren't all stormtroopers, but they turned to the Republic pretty quick and didn't even really get an angry letter about it.

And yet, the First Order has one deserter, and they send squadrons and fanatical vibro-tonfa guy to wreck him a new one.  Which one is the more concerned about loyalty, really?

[MartyS (Gromit)]

Well, if all that stuff written about stromtroopers is supposed to be true it sure doesn't show on screen.

And yet, the First Order has one deserter, and they send squadrons and fanatical vibro-tonfa guy to wreck him a new one.  Which one is the more concerned about loyalty, really?

In the novel it does make them very concerned, they were sure they could weed out anyone that could possibly turn by all the testing and brainwashing training they were doing, so someone that never showed a single blip suddenly turning was making them worried that it could happen to any trooper.

Listening to the Tested.com folks talk about the movie makes me want to see it in Imax 3D.

[ScottotD]

I feel the First Order has a far more Military cult feel like Nazi Germany or perhaps the North Korean government (the 'rally' scene really drives that home) while the Empire was basically a militaristic Bureaucracy, Vader killing guys for failure was more Vader being a loony than their due process.  They weren't scouring the galaxy for General Madine and other people who had defected to the Rebellion. 

[Imrahil]

In the novel it does make them very concerned, they were sure they could weed out anyone that could possibly turn by all the testing and brainwashing training they were doing, so someone that never showed a single blip suddenly turning was making them worried that it could happen to any trooper.

That would've been a really interesting angle to actually explore a bit.

[The Lurker]

With any luck, it'll be part of the 20 mins or so of deleted footage that JJ Abrams mentioned.

[MartyS (Gromit)]

With any luck, it'll be part of the 20 mins or so of deleted footage that JJ Abrams mentioned.

There was a tiny bit of it in the movie, that very short scene where they say this was Finn's first problem, hopefully they filmed what would probably be a few minutes of dialog that is in the novel.  I can understand why it wasn't in the movie, it is interesting that they start to get a little paranoid about their own troops and talk about stuff they might do later on, but the movie or novel never get back to it.

[Parker_Hylton]

As for people thinking the dialog was bad... some people spend so much time in fiction that they don't know a genuine sentence when they hear it.

I have a degree in English.  (I spent two years studying film and they canceled the program.)  I can't speak for Lawful.  I agree with Imrahil that it is seriously overrated. Is it bad?  No, I made it clear that I enjoyed it.  Why the fanboy hate for anyone that has differing opinions?