The Dark Knight Rises

[Scribblesense]

I don' t think that Catwoman is difficult to play well, despite the fact that she almost never has been.  I mean, if Nolan can pull off Two-
Face and Joker, he can pull off an acrobatic cat burglar.

See my problem is a Cat Burglar isn't nearly as exciting to deal with as a psycho murderer.
Nolan needs to give Bane and Catwoman similar dimensions to the ones given to Ra's A
Ghul and the Joker.

A character doesn't need to be exciting to be interesting. Catwoman is a renegade with her own set of morals - which can be a very vague description of the Joker, as well. What's interesting about the Batman and Joker dynamic is how the two characters play off each other, how their differing ideologies clash and drive the conflict in the story. Batman and Catwoman will most likely have the same conflict - she doesn't have to blow up a boat or a police station or a hospital or a girlfriend to be an exciting character.

And Bane is more than any common thug - he's smart, he's ambitious, he gets shit done. I don't see how he could end up as a one-dimensional cackling supervillain, unless he kidnaps the President or tries to steal the world's supply of Hostess Fruit Pies. It's not a massive challenge to avoid such cliches.

[Russell]

I don' t think that Catwoman is difficult to play well, despite the fact that she almost never has been.  I mean, if Nolan can pull off Two-
Face and Joker, he can pull off an acrobatic cat burglar.

See my problem is a Cat Burglar isn't nearly as exciting to deal with as a psycho murderer.
Nolan needs to give Bane and Catwoman similar dimensions to the ones given to Ra's A
Ghul and the Joker.

A character doesn't need to be exciting to be interesting. Catwoman is a renegade with her own set of morals - which can be a very vague description of the Joker, as well. What's interesting about the Batman and Joker dynamic is how the two characters play off each other, how their differing ideologies clash and drive the conflict in the story. Batman and Catwoman will most likely have the same conflict - she doesn't have to blow up a boat or a police station or a hospital or a girlfriend to be an exciting character.

And Bane is more than any common thug - he's smart, he's ambitious, he gets shit done. I don't see how he could end up as a one-dimensional cackling supervillain, unless he kidnaps the President or tries to steal the world's supply of Hostess Fruit Pies. It's not a massive challenge to avoid such cliches.

I think maybe it could work if it's played right. Catwoman and Batman don't necessarily need to be enemies. In fact, this
could be the time where Batman actually sympathizes with her because... maybe she doesn't burgle so much out of
want but out of necessity... a place where he himself has been before. That could be an interesting dynamic...

As for Bane... I don't know much of him other than he is the man who "broke the Batman". He may have some
potential to be a better villain than the joker.

[daltysmilth]

I think Catwoman could work as sort of a female Robin Hood type character.  Like, she only steals from people who have gotten their money from less-than-honest means anyway and gives the money to people who she thinks need it.

[Kete]

Whenever Mathew Modine comes up my wife and I always talk about how he never ages.  We won't be having that discussion anymore.

[Bob]

Whenever Mathew Modine comes up my wife and I always talk about how he never ages.  We won't be having that discussion anymore.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.....

[Scribblesense]

I think Catwoman could work as sort of a female Robin Hood type character.  Like, she only steals from people who have gotten their money from less-than-honest means anyway and gives the money to people who she thinks need it.

And everybody who needs it happens to be herself.

Hmm... if they play her like YoSaffBridge from Firefly, I'll be truly ecstatic. That's an example of an interesting thief character - someone we do not know the true motivations behind.

[D.B. Barnes]

Whenever Mathew Modine comes up my wife and I always talk about how he never ages.  We won't be having that discussion anymore.

"Viene Kiraa!!!"

[Russell]

I think Catwoman could work as sort of a female Robin Hood type character.  Like, she only steals from people who have gotten their money from less-than-honest means anyway and gives the money to people who she thinks need it.

Exactly, Batman might leave her alone when he sees the obvious parallels between himself
and her. I actually think this could be an interesting story, where although she's a criminal she
becomes Batman's/Bruce Wayne's love interest... but I am so uncreative right now I'm not sure
any other way it could go but for her to also die, driving Batman's cause even further.

[Watchman]

Whenever Mathew Modine comes up my wife and I always talk about how he never ages.  We won't be having that discussion anymore.

Did you ever that discussion about Tom Berenger, Eric Roberts or Rutger Hauer? (Because, you know, Nolan has a thing for aging former leading men.)

Spoiler

[pezdrake]

I think Catwoman could work as sort of a female Robin Hood type character.  Like, she only steals from people who have gotten their money from less-than-honest means anyway and gives the money to people who she thinks need it.

Exactly, Batman might leave her alone when he sees the obvious parallels between himself
and her. I actually think this could be an interesting story, where although she's a criminal she
becomes Batman's/Bruce Wayne's love interest... but I am so uncreative right now I'm not sure
any other way it could go but for her to also die, driving Batman's cause even further.

Actually I was just thinking about this...  it woudl be cool to see her evolve in her outlaw/ borderline hero role just as we saw Batman in Batman Begins.  SEe her get hurt a few times and realize she needs some martial arts classes and training, see how her costume is practical in that loose clothes get caught or torn, the mask and cat persona helps hide her real ID etc.

[Russell]

Actually I was just thinking about this...  it woudl be cool to see her evolve in her outlaw/ borderline hero role just as we saw Batman in Batman Begins.  SEe her get hurt a few times and realize she needs some martial arts classes and training, see how her costume is practical in that loose clothes get caught or torn, the mask and cat persona helps hide her real ID etc.

I can see that. Catwoman starting off as a hero in sort of the same vein as Batman then she sort of
de-evolves over time because she can't see any other way of doing things. I think it's easy for a character
to give up on trying to save the world when they're in too much pain to do so...the impetus for this needs
to be beyond compelling though.

[Scribblesense]

Here's an interesting bit of news:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/anne-hathaway-ruins-catwoman-costume-during-fight-on-the-dark-knight-rises

Well, not quite as interesting as, say, a leaked video of Bane and Batman sharing a malt at the malt shop, but it can lead to some unnecessary speculation. Hathaway gave a stuntman a black eye by hitting him with a prop gun - so Catwoman wields a gun? Also, she keeps tearing her costume - described as skintight latex. So, she has some very intense fight scenes (awesome), probably uses a gun (it would reveal a lot about her character, seeing how Batman and the Batman universe treats people who use guns), and is wearing the costume everybody expects Catwoman to wear.

Also! Matthew Modine's character is apparently named Nixon, if this viral image is to be believed.



What's most interesting about this, is that through some research, there was a character named Nixon who appeared in the Batman universe.

http://www.comicvine.com/nixon-two-bear/29-11387/

His name was Nixon Two-Bear. He was a former henchman of Two-Face, and eventually began working for Harley Quinn (this was detailed in Harley Quinn's solo line of comics).

That's nothing if not suspect. Could Harley Quinn be making an appearance? 

There's really nothing to suggest that. Nixon could just be another character with an unfortunate name (IMDB lists "Nixon" as his character name, though that could still be inaccurate). And, the problem with viral marketing is... all of it could be 100% fake. Though it still generates plenty of buzz.

[RoninFox]

Interesting info. Can't really assume what Catwoman's gun stance is though. If she's hitting someone with it instead of shooting it there's a good chance it's a disarming act. Snatch the gun from a guys hand, knock him out quick, toss the gun aside.

[ScottotD]

Since the end of Dark Knight seemed to suggest the police/public would be against Batman, maybe Catwomen has replaced him in their minds as the saviour of Gotham.

[daltysmilth]

I guess Nixon's the one, then.